Re: OT: old equipment Re: RES: 3174 Don't work with TCP/IP Under VMESA
What about scales? Fred -- Original message -- From: Glenn Knickerbocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Gregg C Levine wrote: > > They even made time clocks. > > "Even"? Time clocks and ticker tape machines were IBM's first products! > > ¬R
Re: OT: old equipment Re: RES: 3174 Don't work with TCP/IP Under VMESA
I always thought 3370's and 75's would be execellent for a work bench and storage. Steve David Boyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System 07/15/2007 03:39 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc: Subject: Re: OT: old equipment Re: RES: 3174 Don't work with TCP/IP Under VMESA > I remember that when I started school in a one room country school house > in 1949 that there was a clock on the wall that said, on the front face, > "IBM". There's one (a gorgeous wall model with pendulum) in the lobby of the POK briefing center that I'd pay significant money to have. Maybe some clever sort should start a decorating company to serve retiring geeks. I've always claimed a 3084Q shell (or the shell of a 3380K) would make really unique storage furniture.
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Plus scales for measuring weight. Looked like butcher scales. CTR, Computing, Tabulating, Recording, was the original name (I think). Jim Glenn Knickerbocker wrote: Gregg C Levine wrote: They even made time clocks. "Even"? Time clocks and ticker tape machines were IBM's first products! ¬R -- Jim Bohnsack Cornell University (607) 255-1760 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: old equipment Re: RES: 3174 Don't work with TCP/IP Under VMESA
Gregg C Levine wrote: > They even made time clocks. "Even"? Time clocks and ticker tape machines were IBM's first products! ¬R
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I have a 3380K at home I used as a storage cabinet, I gutted it when we discontinued them and sold the aluminum that surrounds the HDA. I took one of them and cut the frame down to about 30" high and rewelded the top to it and makes a great work platform to work on lawn mowers etc.. Julian Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] 601-479-7460 David Boyes wrote: I remember that when I started school in a one room country school house in 1949 that there was a clock on the wall that said, on the front face, "IBM". There's one (a gorgeous wall model with pendulum) in the lobby of the POK briefing center that I'd pay significant money to have. Maybe some clever sort should start a decorating company to serve retiring geeks. I've always claimed a 3084Q shell (or the shell of a 3380K) would make really unique storage furniture.
Re: OT: old equipment Re: RES: 3174 Don't work with TCP/IP Under VMESA
> I remember that when I started school in a one room country school house > in 1949 that there was a clock on the wall that said, on the front face, > "IBM". There's one (a gorgeous wall model with pendulum) in the lobby of the POK briefing center that I'd pay significant money to have. Maybe some clever sort should start a decorating company to serve retiring geeks. I've always claimed a 3084Q shell (or the shell of a 3380K) would make really unique storage furniture.
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Hello! Jim, as I recall the company that we know now as IBM did in fact make clocks as found in many schools. Sometimes they worked from signals delivered from a central recording clock. And sometimes they wore a windup mechanism or even an electric one. They even made time clocks. One was even sold to the Edison company and it's in the museum that the place became in West Orange NJ. My mother happens to have one. Now regarding your IBM luggable, would that be known as the IBM Portable PC? If so, then I'd give parts of my anatomy so to speak to find one. (It happens I have a need for a native PC rather then the clones that we've got today.) -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The Force will be with you. Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jim Bohnsack > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:38 PM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: OT: old equipment Re: RES: 3174 Don't work with TCP/IP Under VMESA > > I saw a carbine like that in the IBM museum in Endicott. Gotta get back > there before I retire back to Texas in a year of so. I'm only about 35 > miles up the road, now. > > I remember that when I started school in a one room country school house > in 1949 that there was a clock on the wall that said, on the front face, > "IBM". If I ever get back to Beecher, IL, maybe I'll drive out there in > the off chance that the building is still there and not being used. If > so, I might be tempted to break in and steal the clock if it's still > there. > > I also have a 1986 PC Jr. and a 1985 IBM luggable in my attic in Plano, > TX. I pulled the luggable out a year or two ago with the big box of > diskette's and it still boots up from an old DOS diskette that had been > in the attic of a Texas house for 4 summers or so. The bearings on the > hard drive that I had put in had dried up. > > Jim > > O'Brien, Dennis L wrote: > > I've got an IBM M-1 Carbine from WWII. Does that count? > > > >Dennis > > > > "I don't have a girlfriend. I just know a girl who would get really mad > > if she heard me say that". -- Mitch Hedberg > > > > > > -- > Jim Bohnsack > Cornell University > (607) 255-1760 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I saw a carbine like that in the IBM museum in Endicott. Gotta get back there before I retire back to Texas in a year of so. I'm only about 35 miles up the road, now. I remember that when I started school in a one room country school house in 1949 that there was a clock on the wall that said, on the front face, "IBM". If I ever get back to Beecher, IL, maybe I'll drive out there in the off chance that the building is still there and not being used. If so, I might be tempted to break in and steal the clock if it's still there. I also have a 1986 PC Jr. and a 1985 IBM luggable in my attic in Plano, TX. I pulled the luggable out a year or two ago with the big box of diskette's and it still boots up from an old DOS diskette that had been in the attic of a Texas house for 4 summers or so. The bearings on the hard drive that I had put in had dried up. Jim O'Brien, Dennis L wrote: I've got an IBM M-1 Carbine from WWII. Does that count? Dennis "I don't have a girlfriend. I just know a girl who would get really mad if she heard me say that". -- Mitch Hedberg -- Jim Bohnsack Cornell University (607) 255-1760 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I've got an IBM M-1 Carbine from WWII. Does that count? Dennis "I don't have a girlfriend. I just know a girl who would get really mad if she heard me say that". -- Mitch Hedberg -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Bohnsack Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:17 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] OT: old equipment Re: RES: 3174 Don't work with TCP/IP Under VMESA Steve--I thought that your posting about the old equipment would cause the list to be swamped with old memories. The picture is kind of misleading. I recognized the tape drives as machines that looked like 3420 drives except at first glance, I thought that the person was standing behind them and they must be something really short such as the 3410 or 3415 or whatever the number. They were also known as "creepy crawlers". The terminal is a 3270, but I think that what looks like a control unit that it's sitting on is a 3174 rather than a 3274 which would be a more likely control unit for a 3270. Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > --=_alternative 004355FF85257316_= > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > For those of you who might be in the Lafayette, Indiana area this weekend. > Vintage Computer Festival. > How many of you can identify the equipment in the picture without reading > the article? > > http://jconline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070712/NEWS/707120334/1 152/NEWS > > Steve G. > > > > > -- Jim Bohnsack Cornell University (607) 255-1760 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't have anything in the way of old equipment such as that or even pictures, but I have some "historical" information. I started working for IBM in 1967 in a marketing branch office in Chicago. I would dutifully update my IBM sales manual, replacing pages and pitching the old ones. Sometime in the 70's it occurred to me that I was throwing away history, so I started keeping pages that had even a remote interest to me. Equipment that was no longer marketed or serviced that someone decided shouldn't be taking up room in the manual. I still have what I started saving in a box "somewhere" in a closet. If anyone is really, really interested in seeing something, let me know and when I have time, I'll see if it's on a page I saved. Jim Tom Duerbusch wrote: That looks like an IBM 3174 01L. I still have 4 of them running. The tape drives are IBM 3420 Mod 6 (we still have 3 of them running). I = don't see the IBM 3803 to run the tape drives. The rack mounted unit, reminds me of the IBM 9370 (not running one of = them). Of course, the terminal is an IBM 3278 Model 2. Boy, I can have my own vintage computer festival! Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting -- Jim Bohnsack Cornell University (607) 255-1760 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That looks like an IBM 3174 01L. I still have 4 of them running. The tape drives are IBM 3420 Mod 6 (we still have 3 of them running). I don't see the IBM 3803 to run the tape drives. The rack mounted unit, reminds me of the IBM 9370 (not running one of them). Of course, the terminal is an IBM 3278 Model 2. Boy, I can have my own vintage computer festival! Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting
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If you look closely you will see he is sitting on top of the tape drives not standing behind them. Therefor, they must be 3420's I cant think of any other tape drives with enough flat room on the top so you can sit on them. It is warm up there. :) That is a 3270 terminal on a 3274 control unit. Note the size of the slot for the floppy disk. The 3274 and the 3174 looked somewhat alike on the outside. At the edge of the picture is one of the rack mainframes. I cant tell which one. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve--I thought that your posting about the old equipment would cause the list to be swamped with old memories. The picture is kind of misleading. I recognized the tape drives as machines that looked like 3420 drives except at first glance, I thought that the person was standing behind them and they must be something really short such as the 3410 or 3415 or whatever the number. They were also known as "creepy crawlers". The terminal is a 3270, but I think that what looks like a control unit that it's sitting on is a 3174 rather than a 3274 which would be a more likely control unit for a 3270. Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004355FF85257316_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For those of you who might be in the Lafayette, Indiana area this weekend. Vintage Computer Festival. How many of you can identify the equipment in the picture without reading the article? http://jconline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070712/NEWS/707120334/1152/NEWS Steve G. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: OT: old equipment Re: RES: 3174 Don't work with TCP/IP Under VMESA
Steve--I thought that your posting about the old equipment would cause the list to be swamped with old memories. The picture is kind of misleading. I recognized the tape drives as machines that looked like 3420 drives except at first glance, I thought that the person was standing behind them and they must be something really short such as the 3410 or 3415 or whatever the number. They were also known as "creepy crawlers". The terminal is a 3270, but I think that what looks like a control unit that it's sitting on is a 3174 rather than a 3274 which would be a more likely control unit for a 3270. Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004355FF85257316_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For those of you who might be in the Lafayette, Indiana area this weekend. Vintage Computer Festival. How many of you can identify the equipment in the picture without reading the article? http://jconline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070712/NEWS/707120334/1152/NEWS Steve G. -- Jim Bohnsack Cornell University (607) 255-1760 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: old equipment Re: RES: 3174 Don't work with TCP/IP Under VMESA
For those of you who might be in the Lafayette, Indiana area this weekend. Vintage Computer Festival. How many of you can identify the equipment in the picture without reading the article? http://jconline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070712/NEWS/707120334/1152/NEWS Steve G. Ron Schmiedge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System 07/11/2007 07:27 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc: Subject:Re: RES: 3174 Don't work with TCP/IP Under VMESA 5 of them. I have a 3174 with a T/R adapter. Runs 3 SNA printers. Talks SNA to an OSA-E card (for about a month now). Has been running for a lng time (I have a 6th, a spare sitting in the corner) On 7/11/07, Carlos Bodra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So David, there are 4 of them in world. I have 3 of them here, one gateway > and 2 DSPU units. > > > -Mensagem original- > De: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome > de David Boyes > Enviada em: quarta-feira, 11 de julho de 2007 19:16 > Para: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Assunto: Re: RES: 3174 Don't work with TCP/IP Under VMESA > > That 3174 IP gateway feature only operates when the 3174 is a) running SNA > microcode and is b) attached to VTAM. It is not supported for use with the > VM TCP stack.and does not work. > > It's nie to know that you have the other one of those beasts. I thought I > had the only one left in the world... > > -Original Message- > From: "Carlos Bodra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU" > Sent: 7/11/07 5:37 PM > Subject: RES: 3174 Don't work with TCP/IP Under VMESA > > Alan, > > 3174 can participate in a TCP/IP network if has Ethernet adapter or into a > Token Ring if configured with TKR adapter. There are some specific > configuration questions to make this possible. > > Carlos
