Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user
For some REAL fun, try LEXX. Great if you are writing a REXX exec using the RX$$ parser. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Macioce, Larry Sent: August 28, 2006 13:21 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user To each his own.Being a VM newbie I still mess with xedit but feel more comfortable w ISPF Let the flames begin Mace -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 12:07 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user They love ISPF. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Goldenberg Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:05 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject:Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user Shimon Lebowitz wrote: > On 28 Aug 2006 at 8:08, Schuh, Richard wrote: > > >> Before XEDIT, ISPF looked really good. Then there are those (are you >> reading this, Mike?) who will tell you that Edgar was the best. >> >> Regards, >> Richard Schuh >> > > And after XEDIT, ISPF looks really really bad. (Spoken > from a "new to MVS" point of view). > > If I can use a look-alike XEDIT with REXX macros > on my PCs (Win or Lin), I can't understand why no one > has managed yet to make one for TSO. How do > they survive it over there > > Shimon > > They never knew anything better. And SPF->ISPF was lightyears better than most options. (Don't offer me Roscoe - CICS for programmers does not cut it.) Kim - The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or delegate is strictly prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The integrity and security of this message cannot by guaranteed on the Internet. The Sender accepts no liability for the content of this e-mail, or for the consequences of any actions taken on basis of the information provided. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The sender accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. This disclaimer is the property of the TTC and must not be altered or circumvented in any manner.
Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user
Why did he say it proudly? After all, it was an admission of his shortcomings. :-) Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kris Buelens Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 12:35 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject:Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user Yes, Edgar, were are the days. When I started in IBM (1978) I was learned to use EDIT. After half a day, another SE couldn't beleave they still learned us EDIT, and he gave me EDGAR. Quite some of my XEDIT PF-key settings still do what they did in EDGAR. But, much later, I saw another collegue demonstrating XEDIT: the fact that he could issue these single keystrokes > or < to set the prefix area right or left made me eager to get XEDIT. Yet another -very intelligent- collegue said me later that he somehow prefered EDGAR: "about EDGAR I can proudly say 'I know all its commands' and that is impossible with XEDIT" Kris, IBM Belgium, VM customer support P.S. I still have > and < as synonyms to set the prefix area were I like it at the time. IMHO the best position depends on what one is doing, for text work, PREIFX ON RIGHT is better (the newline key goes to the next line; cursor column displayed by emulator corresponds to that in the file). Only when one needs to add/delete/move many lines, LEFT is better.
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On: Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 09:29:20PM +0300,Shimon Lebowitz Wrote: } Besides, we are a *VM* list. Contrary to various OtherSystems(tm), } we never flame anybody. Not so, but on this list, the flames are virtual flames. :-) -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself & my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red & Shasta (RIP),Red, Zero & Casey, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user
Yes, Edgar, were are the days. When I started in IBM (1978) I was learned to use EDIT. After half a day, another SE couldn't beleave they still learned us EDIT, and he gave me EDGAR. Quite some of my XEDIT PF-key settings still do what they did in EDGAR. But, much later, I saw another collegue demonstrating XEDIT: the fact that he could issue these single keystrokes > or < to set the prefix area right or left made me eager to get XEDIT. Yet another -very intelligent- collegue said me later that he somehow prefered EDGAR: "about EDGAR I can proudly say 'I know all its commands' and that is impossible with XEDIT" Kris, IBM Belgium, VM customer support P.S. I still have > and < as synonyms to set the prefix area were I like it at the time. IMHO the best position depends on what one is doing, for text work, PREIFX ON RIGHT is better (the newline key goes to the next line; cursor column displayed by emulator corresponds to that in the file). Only when one needs to add/delete/move many lines, LEFT is better.
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Besides, we are a *VM* list. Contrary to various OtherSystems(tm), we never flame anybody. Shimon On 28 Aug 2006 at 10:37, Schuh, Richard wrote: > No flames. We take comfort in knowing that someday you will see the > light :-) > > Regards, > Richard Schuh > > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Macioce, Larry > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:21 AM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user > > To each his own.Being a VM newbie I still mess with xedit but feel > more > comfortable w ISPF > Let the flames begin > > Mace > > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > Behalf Of Schuh, Richard > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 12:07 PM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user > > They love ISPF. > > Regards, > Richard Schuh > > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Kim Goldenberg > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:05 AM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user > > Shimon Lebowitz wrote: > > On 28 Aug 2006 at 8:08, Schuh, Richard wrote: > > > > > >> Before XEDIT, ISPF looked really good. Then there are those (are > you > >> reading this, Mike?) who will tell you that Edgar was the best. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Richard Schuh > >> > > > > And after XEDIT, ISPF looks really really bad. (Spoken > > from a "new to MVS" point of view). > > > > If I can use a look-alike XEDIT with REXX macros > > on my PCs (Win or Lin), I can't understand why no one > > has managed yet to make one for TSO. How do > > they survive it over there > > > > Shimon > > > > > They never knew anything better. And SPF->ISPF was lightyears better > than most options. (Don't offer me Roscoe - CICS for programmers > does > not cut it.) > > Kim > > - > > The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential > and/or > privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or > other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by > persons or entities other than the intended recipient is > prohibited. If you have received this email in error please > contact > the sender and delete the > material from any computer. >
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On 28 Aug 2006 at 13:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > A light year is an awfully long distance. > naaah.. it's less than a third of a parsec.
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On: Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 01:21:24PM -0400,Macioce, Larry Wrote: } To each his own.Being a VM newbie I still mess with xedit but feel more } comfortable w ISPF } Let the flames begin No flames needed yet. When you get more comfortable with Xedit, you will light them yourself. -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself & my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red & Shasta (RIP),Red, Zero & Casey, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
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No flames. We take comfort in knowing that someday you will see the light :-) Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Macioce, Larry Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:21 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject:Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user To each his own.Being a VM newbie I still mess with xedit but feel more comfortable w ISPF Let the flames begin Mace -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 12:07 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user They love ISPF. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Goldenberg Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:05 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject:Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user Shimon Lebowitz wrote: > On 28 Aug 2006 at 8:08, Schuh, Richard wrote: > > >> Before XEDIT, ISPF looked really good. Then there are those (are you >> reading this, Mike?) who will tell you that Edgar was the best. >> >> Regards, >> Richard Schuh >> > > And after XEDIT, ISPF looks really really bad. (Spoken > from a "new to MVS" point of view). > > If I can use a look-alike XEDIT with REXX macros > on my PCs (Win or Lin), I can't understand why no one > has managed yet to make one for TSO. How do > they survive it over there > > Shimon > > They never knew anything better. And SPF->ISPF was lightyears better than most options. (Don't offer me Roscoe - CICS for programmers does not cut it.) Kim - The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.
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A 3066 was a really neat console!! That sure brings back good memories of some much better times :-) "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System 08/28/2006 12:58 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user A light year is an awfully long distance. Green stripe coding pads and keypunch operators notwithstanding, the first editor I used was line-mode editing using a 3066 emulating a 3215. CMS Release 2 was the OS. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:36 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user Edgar was light years ahead of line editing. But I won't even consider the thought that it was better than XEDIT, even if EDGAR was the inspiration for Edgar Beargen's name. BTW, the first editor I used was line editing on TSO , which was vastly improved upon by SPF and eventually. Then... "there was light", when I was introduced to VM (VM/370, Release 5 PLC 6, IIRC). I suffered through line editing, then enjoyed EDGAR, and we truly found the power of the force with XEDIT. :Confession on There are a still a couple things I like about ISPF edit that XEDIT could use. < Hush your mouth boy! > But what are the odds of ANY XEDIT updates? < I TOLD you to hush your mouth boy! > :Confession off Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: "The IBM z/VM Operating System" 08/28/2006 10:08 AM Please respond to "The IBM z/VM Operating System" To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user Before XEDIT, ISPF looked really good. Then there are those (are you reading this, Mike?) who will tell you that Edgar was the best. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob van der Heij Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 7:06 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user On 8/28/06, Bates, Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, if you go back far enough before XEDIT, X was a perfectly good name for a quick test exec. When XEDIT came along, there was an oops or two. My apologies, on that scale I'm a newbie :-) Rob The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited.
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To each his own.Being a VM newbie I still mess with xedit but feel more comfortable w ISPF Let the flames begin Mace -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 12:07 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user They love ISPF. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Goldenberg Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:05 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject:Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user Shimon Lebowitz wrote: > On 28 Aug 2006 at 8:08, Schuh, Richard wrote: > > >> Before XEDIT, ISPF looked really good. Then there are those (are you >> reading this, Mike?) who will tell you that Edgar was the best. >> >> Regards, >> Richard Schuh >> > > And after XEDIT, ISPF looks really really bad. (Spoken > from a "new to MVS" point of view). > > If I can use a look-alike XEDIT with REXX macros > on my PCs (Win or Lin), I can't understand why no one > has managed yet to make one for TSO. How do > they survive it over there > > Shimon > > They never knew anything better. And SPF->ISPF was lightyears better than most options. (Don't offer me Roscoe - CICS for programmers does not cut it.) Kim - The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.
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On Monday, 08/28/2006 at 09:58 MST, "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Green stripe coding pads and keypunch operators notwithstanding, the first > editor I used was line-mode editing using a 3066 emulating a 3215. CMS Release > 2 was the OS. Snow. Uphill. Both ways. Got it. :-) Still, it was better than "deposit" and "deposit-next". ;-) Alan
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A light
year is an awfully long distance.
Green
stripe coding pads and keypunch operators notwithstanding, the first editor I
used was line-mode editing using a 3066 emulating a 3215. CMS Release 2 was the
OS.
Regards,
Richard Schuh
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System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On
Behalf Of Mike Walter
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:36
AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
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Edgar was light years ahead of line
editing. But I won't even consider the thought that it was better than
XEDIT, even if EDGAR was the inspiration for Edgar Beargen's name.
BTW, the first editor I used was
line editing on TSO , which was vastly improved upon by SPF and eventually. Then...
"there was light", when I was introduced to VM (VM/370, Release 5 PLC
6, IIRC). I suffered through line editing, then enjoyed EDGAR, and we
truly found the power of the force with XEDIT.
:Confession on
There are a still a couple things I
like about ISPF edit that XEDIT could use. < Hush your mouth boy! >
But what are the odds of ANY XEDIT
updates? < I TOLD you to hush your mouth boy! >
:Confession off
Mike Walter
Hewitt Associates
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mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt
Associates.
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Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Before XEDIT,
ISPF looked really good. Then there are those (are you reading this, Mike?) who
will tell you that Edgar was the best.
Regards,
Richard Schuh
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On 8/28/06, Bates, Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually, if you go back far enough before XEDIT, X was a perfectly
good name for a quick test exec. When XEDIT came along, there was an oops or
two.
My apologies, on that scale I'm a newbie :-)
Rob
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Edgar was light years ahead of line editing. But I won't even consider the thought that it was better than XEDIT, even if EDGAR was the inspiration for Edgar Beargen's name. BTW, the first editor I used was line editing on TSO , which was vastly improved upon by SPF and eventually. Then... "there was light", when I was introduced to VM (VM/370, Release 5 PLC 6, IIRC). I suffered through line editing, then enjoyed EDGAR, and we truly found the power of the force with XEDIT. :Confession on There are a still a couple things I like about ISPF edit that XEDIT could use. < Hush your mouth boy! > But what are the odds of ANY XEDIT updates? < I TOLD you to hush your mouth boy! > :Confession off Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: "The IBM z/VM Operating System" 08/28/2006 10:08 AM Please respond to "The IBM z/VM Operating System" To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user Before XEDIT, ISPF looked really good. Then there are those (are you reading this, Mike?) who will tell you that Edgar was the best. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob van der Heij Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 7:06 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user On 8/28/06, Bates, Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, if you go back far enough before XEDIT, X was a perfectly good name for a quick test exec. When XEDIT came along, there was an oops or two. My apologies, on that scale I'm a newbie :-) Rob The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited.
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I too took forever to move from Edgar to Xedit... And my early Xedit profiles looked just like Edgar.. And while I never was an SPF (or ISPF or ESPF) fan, I do have to concede that there is one area they still excel in over Xedit.. They have a real recover and undo mode... Beats Xedits autosave Lee Schuh, Richard wrote: Before XEDIT, ISPF looked really good. Then there are those (are you reading this, Mike?) who will tell you that Edgar was the best. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob van der Heij Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 7:06 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject:Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user On 8/28/06, Bates, Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually, if you go back far enough before XEDIT, X was a perfectly good name for a quick test exec. When XEDIT came along, there was an oops or two. My apologies, on that scale I'm a newbie :-) Rob -- Lee Stewart, Senior SE Sirius Enterprise Systems Group Phone: (303) 798-2954 Fax: (720) 228-2321 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.siriuscom.com
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They love ISPF. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Goldenberg Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:05 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject:Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user Shimon Lebowitz wrote: > On 28 Aug 2006 at 8:08, Schuh, Richard wrote: > > >> Before XEDIT, ISPF looked really good. Then there are those (are you >> reading this, Mike?) who will tell you that Edgar was the best. >> >> Regards, >> Richard Schuh >> > > And after XEDIT, ISPF looks really really bad. (Spoken > from a "new to MVS" point of view). > > If I can use a look-alike XEDIT with REXX macros > on my PCs (Win or Lin), I can't understand why no one > has managed yet to make one for TSO. How do > they survive it over there > > Shimon > > They never knew anything better. And SPF->ISPF was lightyears better than most options. (Don't offer me Roscoe - CICS for programmers does not cut it.) Kim
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Shimon Lebowitz wrote: On 28 Aug 2006 at 8:08, Schuh, Richard wrote: Before XEDIT, ISPF looked really good. Then there are those (are you reading this, Mike?) who will tell you that Edgar was the best. Regards, Richard Schuh And after XEDIT, ISPF looks really really bad. (Spoken from a "new to MVS" point of view). If I can use a look-alike XEDIT with REXX macros on my PCs (Win or Lin), I can't understand why no one has managed yet to make one for TSO. How do they survive it over there Shimon They never knew anything better. And SPF->ISPF was lightyears better than most options. (Don't offer me Roscoe - CICS for programmers does not cut it.) Kim
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That was the implication. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shimon Lebowitz Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:42 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject:Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user On 28 Aug 2006 at 8:08, Schuh, Richard wrote: > Before XEDIT, ISPF looked really good. Then there are those (are you > reading this, Mike?) who will tell you that Edgar was the best. > > Regards, > Richard Schuh And after XEDIT, ISPF looks really really bad. (Spoken from a "new to MVS" point of view). If I can use a look-alike XEDIT with REXX macros on my PCs (Win or Lin), I can't understand why no one has managed yet to make one for TSO. How do they survive it over there Shimon
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On 28 Aug 2006 at 8:08, Schuh, Richard wrote: > Before XEDIT, ISPF looked really good. Then there are those (are you > reading this, Mike?) who will tell you that Edgar was the best. > > Regards, > Richard Schuh And after XEDIT, ISPF looks really really bad. (Spoken from a "new to MVS" point of view). If I can use a look-alike XEDIT with REXX macros on my PCs (Win or Lin), I can't understand why no one has managed yet to make one for TSO. How do they survive it over there Shimon
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I certainly preferred Edgar to ISPF. It took me a long time to get away from having the prefix area on the left side of the screen rather than on the Edgar right side. I think that I still have an Edgar manual somewhere. Jim At 11:08 AM 8/28/2006, you wrote: Before XEDIT, ISPF looked really good. Then there are those (are you = reading this, Mike?) who will tell you that Edgar was the best.=20 Regards, Richard Schuh Jim Bohnsack Cornell Univ. (607) 255-1760
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Before XEDIT, ISPF looked really good. Then there are those (are you reading this, Mike?) who will tell you that Edgar was the best. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob van der Heij Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 7:06 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject:Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user On 8/28/06, Bates, Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, if you go back far enough before XEDIT, X was a perfectly good name > for a quick test exec. When XEDIT came along, there was an oops or two. My apologies, on that scale I'm a newbie :-) Rob
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On 8/28/06, Bates, Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually, if you go back far enough before XEDIT, X was a perfectly good name for a quick test exec. When XEDIT came along, there was an oops or two. My apologies, on that scale I'm a newbie :-) Rob
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Actually, if you go back far enough before XEDIT, X was a perfectly good name for a quick test exec. When XEDIT came along, there was an oops or two. Bob Bates -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rob van der Heij Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 6:47 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user On 8/22/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Who hasn't written a test EXEC called 'X' only to execute it the next time > they try to get into XEDIT !! Why would you? Don't you have the system alias X for Xedit? I even have user alias for popular mistyped commands (like RECIEVE). I admit there is a subtle difference that the X EXEC would only be invoked when you use the X abbreviation, while XEDIT EXEC would be invoked also by (sloppy) code that meant to use the XEDIT command. But I am not sure that was what you wanted an X EXEC for. Rob
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On 8/22/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Who hasn't written a test EXEC called 'X' only to execute it the next time they try to get into XEDIT !! Why would you? Don't you have the system alias X for Xedit? I even have user alias for popular mistyped commands (like RECIEVE). I admit there is a subtle difference that the X EXEC would only be invoked when you use the X abbreviation, while XEDIT EXEC would be invoked also by (sloppy) code that meant to use the XEDIT command. But I am not sure that was what you wanted an X EXEC for. Rob
Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user
Then, too, there is TERM MODE CP. If set, then the PUR EXEC would not be executed. Neither would any other CMS command. This setting would be quite rare for most users. Richard Corak Since you determined the user has a PUR EXEC, they could also use CP PUR to not run their exec. Depending on the user, sometimes I like to emphasize/teach the difference between CMS and CP commands. i.e. PURGE is not a CMS command, but it works in this case because SET IMPCP is ON. If you SET IMPCP OFF, then PURGE will not work, the user will have to use CP PURge... PUR will continue to run the PUR EXEC. (Use IMPEX to control that) (Note PURGE is also an XEDIT command so must be prefixed by "CP " if issued from within XEDIT to purge rdr files)
Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user
On Tuesday, 08/22/2006 at 12:15 MST, "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It has been so long since I last entered PURGE RDR ALL that I wasn't aware of > or did not remember the change, and it was a good one that was long overdue :-) I know what you mean. You begin to sweat and get all white-knuckled Then you backspace and put '*' in there 'just in case'. ;-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user
On: Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 11:00:51AM -0700,william JANULIN Wrote: } Yes, thanks again for your help. F.Y.Il the user } tried it by entering PURGE instead of PUR and it } worked. Amazing, eh? Bill, One of your diagnostic tools for cases where a CP command is doing things that are unexpected is to tell the user: "Try CP xx" instead where xx is exactly what they had previously tried. Other tools that can be handy are: SET IMPEX on/off SET IMPCP on/off Both default to on. IMPEX on says that if there is both an exec and a cms command of the same name, call the exec. IMPCP on says to pass something that cms doesn't recognize to CP. And don't feel bad about this. Most of us have learned about these the hard way. -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself & my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red & Shasta (RIP),Red, Zero & Casey, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user
Yes, but a few of them die everyday. Its a good thing that we have SFPURGER around along with VMUTIL and its WAKEUP file. One less thing to worry about. --- Alan Altmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday, 08/22/2006 at 11:36 MST, william JANULIN > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Probably a little of both. > > > > --- "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Jus be sure that the user does not have class D > > > authority before following Alan's advice. Or was > > > Chuckie trying to find out if you are gullible? > :-) > > Naah. Everyone knows that the old heart > attack-inducing VM/SP CP PURGE > RDR ALL feechur hasn't been present since VM/XA. If > a class D user wants > to purge all files, then an explicit PURGE SYSTEM > RDR ALL is required. > > [You have to clean out those mental closets from > time to time. Look for > moth-eaten Well-Known Facts and throw them out. > Good brain cells are a > terrible thing to waste. :-) ] > > Alan Altmark > z/VM Development > IBM Endicott > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user
It has been so long since I last entered PURGE RDR ALL that I wasn't aware of or did not remember the change, and it was a good one that was long overdue :-) Regards, Richard Schuh > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Alan Altmark > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:06 PM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user > > > On Tuesday, 08/22/2006 at 11:36 MST, william JANULIN > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Probably a little of both. > > > > --- "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Jus be sure that the user does not have class D > > > authority before following Alan's advice. Or was > > > Chuckie trying to find out if you are gullible? :-) > > Naah. Everyone knows that the old heart attack-inducing > VM/SP CP PURGE > RDR ALL feechur hasn't been present since VM/XA. If a class > D user wants > to purge all files, then an explicit PURGE SYSTEM RDR ALL is required. > > [You have to clean out those mental closets from time to > time. Look for > moth-eaten Well-Known Facts and throw them out. Good brain > cells are a > terrible thing to waste. :-) ] > > Alan Altmark > z/VM Development > IBM Endicott >
Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user
Who hasn't written a test EXEC called 'X' only to execute it the next time they try to get into XEDIT !!
Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user
On Tuesday, 08/22/2006 at 11:36 MST, william JANULIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Probably a little of both. > > --- "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Jus be sure that the user does not have class D > > authority before following Alan's advice. Or was > > Chuckie trying to find out if you are gullible? :-) Naah. Everyone knows that the old heart attack-inducing VM/SP CP PURGE RDR ALL feechur hasn't been present since VM/XA. If a class D user wants to purge all files, then an explicit PURGE SYSTEM RDR ALL is required. [You have to clean out those mental closets from time to time. Look for moth-eaten Well-Known Facts and throw them out. Good brain cells are a terrible thing to waste. :-) ] Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user
Probably a little of both. --- "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jus be sure that the user does not have class D > authority before following Alan's advice. Or was > Chuckie trying to find out if you are gullible? :-) > > Regards, > Richard Schuh > > > > -Original Message- > > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of Alan Altmark > > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:25 AM > > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > > Subject: Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user > > > > > > On Tuesday, 08/22/2006 at 10:13 MST, william > JANULIN > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > To list; > > > I have a CMS user that is trying to purge his > RDR > > > files from his RDR queue. He issues the PUR RDR > ALL > > > command and gets the READY message back but the > files > > > are not purged. > > > > > > I end up logging on to MAINT and purging his > files. > > > > > > Has anyone ever run into this? > > > > Yes, whenever I have a PUR or PURGE EXEC sitting > on my A-disk that is > > designed to prevent me from doing that. :-) Have > your CMS > > user try #CP > > PURGE RDR ALL. There should be some output from > the command, > > whether it > > "worked" or not. > > > > Alan Altmark > > z/VM Development > > IBM Endicott > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user
Yes, he did that and it worked by entering the full command instead of the abbreviation. Thank you, Bill J. --- Alan Altmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday, 08/22/2006 at 10:13 MST, william JANULIN > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To list; > > I have a CMS user that is trying to purge his RDR > > files from his RDR queue. He issues the PUR RDR > ALL > > command and gets the READY message back but the > files > > are not purged. > > > > I end up logging on to MAINT and purging his > files. > > > > Has anyone ever run into this? > > Yes, whenever I have a PUR or PURGE EXEC sitting on > my A-disk that is > designed to prevent me from doing that. :-) Have > your CMS user try #CP > PURGE RDR ALL. There should be some output from the > command, whether it > "worked" or not. > > Alan Altmark > z/VM Development > IBM Endicott > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user
Jus be sure that the user does not have class D authority before following Alan's advice. Or was Chuckie trying to find out if you are gullible? :-) Regards, Richard Schuh > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Alan Altmark > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:25 AM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user > > > On Tuesday, 08/22/2006 at 10:13 MST, william JANULIN > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To list; > > I have a CMS user that is trying to purge his RDR > > files from his RDR queue. He issues the PUR RDR ALL > > command and gets the READY message back but the files > > are not purged. > > > > I end up logging on to MAINT and purging his files. > > > > Has anyone ever run into this? > > Yes, whenever I have a PUR or PURGE EXEC sitting on my A-disk that is > designed to prevent me from doing that. :-) Have your CMS > user try #CP > PURGE RDR ALL. There should be some output from the command, > whether it > "worked" or not. > > Alan Altmark > z/VM Development > IBM Endicott >
Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user
On Tuesday, 08/22/2006 at 10:13 MST, william JANULIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To list; > I have a CMS user that is trying to purge his RDR > files from his RDR queue. He issues the PUR RDR ALL > command and gets the READY message back but the files > are not purged. > > I end up logging on to MAINT and purging his files. > > Has anyone ever run into this? Yes, whenever I have a PUR or PURGE EXEC sitting on my A-disk that is designed to prevent me from doing that. :-) Have your CMS user try #CP PURGE RDR ALL. There should be some output from the command, whether it "worked" or not. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user
Since you determined the user has a PUR EXEC, they could also use CP PUR to not run their exec. Depending on the user, sometimes I like to emphasize/teach the difference between CMS and CP commands. i.e. PURGE is not a CMS command, but it works in this case because SET IMPCP is ON. If you SET IMPCP OFF, then PURGE will not work, the user will have to use CP PURge... PUR will continue to run the PUR EXEC. (Use IMPEX to control that) (Note PURGE is also an XEDIT command so must be prefixed by "CP " if issued from within XEDIT to purge rdr files) Don Russell william JANULIN wrote: Hi Rich, Yes, thanks again for your help. F.Y.Il the user tried it by entering PURGE instead of PUR and it worked. Amazing, eh? Regards, Bill J. --- "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That is a common support headache - someone who creates a program having a name that matches a system command or a standard abbreviation of one. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of william JANULIN Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:29 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user Hi Rich, No, but he has something called PUR EXEC. So, it would appear that when he entered the command, it tries to execue this PUR EXEC instead of the CP command. Thanks for the question, I am not sure if O would have found this. Thanks again, Bill J. --- "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does he have a PURGE EXEC in the search order? Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of william JANULIN Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:13 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user To list; I have a CMS user that is trying to purge his RDR files from his RDR queue. He issues the PUR RDR ALL command and gets the READY message back but the files are not purged. I end up logging on to MAINT and purging his files. Has anyone ever run into this? Thks, Bill J. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user
Hi Rich, Yes, thanks again for your help. F.Y.Il the user tried it by entering PURGE instead of PUR and it worked. Amazing, eh? Regards, Bill J. --- "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That is a common support headache - someone who > creates a program having a name that matches a > system command or a standard abbreviation of one. > > Regards, > Richard Schuh > > > > -Original Message- > > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of william JANULIN > > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:29 AM > > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > > Subject: Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user > > > > > > Hi Rich, > > No, but he has something called PUR EXEC. > > So, it would appear that when he entered the > command, > > it tries to execue this PUR EXEC instead of the CP > > command. > > > > Thanks for the question, I am not sure if O would > have > > found this. > > > > Thanks again, > > Bill J. > > > > --- "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Does he have a PURGE EXEC in the search order? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Richard Schuh > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Behalf Of william JANULIN > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:13 AM > > > > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > > > > Subject: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user > > > > > > > > > > > > To list; > > > > I have a CMS user that is trying to purge > his > > > RDR > > > > files from his RDR queue. He issues the PUR > RDR > > > ALL > > > > command and gets the READY message back but > the > > > files > > > > are not purged. > > > > > > > > I end up logging on to MAINT and purging his > > > files. > > > > > > > > Has anyone ever run into this? > > > > > > > > Thks, > > > > Bill J. > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user
That is a common support headache - someone who creates a program having a name that matches a system command or a standard abbreviation of one. Regards, Richard Schuh > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of william JANULIN > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:29 AM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user > > > Hi Rich, > No, but he has something called PUR EXEC. > So, it would appear that when he entered the command, > it tries to execue this PUR EXEC instead of the CP > command. > > Thanks for the question, I am not sure if O would have > found this. > > Thanks again, > Bill J. > > --- "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Does he have a PURGE EXEC in the search order? > > > > Regards, > > Richard Schuh > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Behalf Of william JANULIN > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:13 AM > > > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > > > Subject: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user > > > > > > > > > To list; > > > I have a CMS user that is trying to purge his > > RDR > > > files from his RDR queue. He issues the PUR RDR > > ALL > > > command and gets the READY message back but the > > files > > > are not purged. > > > > > > I end up logging on to MAINT and purging his > > files. > > > > > > Has anyone ever run into this? > > > > > > Thks, > > > Bill J. > > > > > > __ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >
Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user
Hi Rich, No, but he has something called PUR EXEC. So, it would appear that when he entered the command, it tries to execue this PUR EXEC instead of the CP command. Thanks for the question, I am not sure if O would have found this. Thanks again, Bill J. --- "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does he have a PURGE EXEC in the search order? > > Regards, > Richard Schuh > > > > -Original Message- > > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of william JANULIN > > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:13 AM > > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > > Subject: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user > > > > > > To list; > > I have a CMS user that is trying to purge his > RDR > > files from his RDR queue. He issues the PUR RDR > ALL > > command and gets the READY message back but the > files > > are not purged. > > > > I end up logging on to MAINT and purging his > files. > > > > Has anyone ever run into this? > > > > Thks, > > Bill J. > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user
Does he have a PURGE EXEC in the search order? Regards, Richard Schuh > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of william JANULIN > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:13 AM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: PUR RDR ALL not working for a user > > > To list; > I have a CMS user that is trying to purge his RDR > files from his RDR queue. He issues the PUR RDR ALL > command and gets the READY message back but the files > are not purged. > > I end up logging on to MAINT and purging his files. > > Has anyone ever run into this? > > Thks, > Bill J. > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >
