Re: VSE/VSAM FOR VM (GI10-8151-00)
Thanks for the offers. I received a copy in Word format from Ron. Mike Day CSI
Re: VSE/VSAM FOR VM (GI10-8151-00)
I am not at work to check, but if that is the Progdir, I should be able to scan it tomorrow. Original message >Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:37:39 -0400 >From: peter.w...@ttc.ca >Subject: Re: VSE/VSAM FOR VM (GI10-8151-00) >To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > >I have a hardcopy; scanners are not common here. Snail mail copy? > >Peter > >-Original Message- >From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On >Behalf Of Mike Day >Sent: September 23, 2009 11:20 >To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU >Subject: VSE/VSAM FOR VM (GI10-8151-00) > >Hello, > >Does anyone have a copy of VSE/VSAM FOR VM (GI10-8151-00) (pdf or doc) >that >they could send me? > >We are late to the game of installing CMSVSAM on z/VM. Had to beg IBM >for a >tape and now the same for installation instruction. > >Thanks very much in advance, > >Mike Day >Confident Software, Inc. >Atlanta, Georgia > >y...@csi-soft.com >770-496-1222 > > >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review retransmission dissemination or other use of or taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or delegate is strictly prohibited. If you received this in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The integrity and security of this message cannot be guaranteed on the Internet. The sender accepts no liability for the content of this e-mail or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of information provided. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The sender accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. This disclaimer is property of the TTC and must not be altered or circumvented in any manner.
Re: VSE/VSAM FOR VM (GI10-8151-00)
I will email it to you. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Mike Day wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone have a copy of VSE/VSAM FOR VM (GI10-8151-00) (pdf or doc) that > they could send me? > > We are late to the game of installing CMSVSAM on z/VM. Had to beg IBM for a > tape and now the same for installation instruction. > > Thanks very much in advance, > > Mike Day > Confident Software, Inc. > Atlanta, Georgia > > y...@csi-soft.com > 770-496-1222 >
Re: VSE/VSAM FOR VM (GI10-8151-00)
I have a hardcopy; scanners are not common here. Snail mail copy? Peter -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Day Sent: September 23, 2009 11:20 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: VSE/VSAM FOR VM (GI10-8151-00) Hello, Does anyone have a copy of VSE/VSAM FOR VM (GI10-8151-00) (pdf or doc) that they could send me? We are late to the game of installing CMSVSAM on z/VM. Had to beg IBM for a tape and now the same for installation instruction. Thanks very much in advance, Mike Day Confident Software, Inc. Atlanta, Georgia y...@csi-soft.com 770-496-1222 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review retransmission dissemination or other use of or taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or delegate is strictly prohibited. If you received this in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The integrity and security of this message cannot be guaranteed on the Internet. The sender accepts no liability for the content of this e-mail or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of information provided. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The sender accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. This disclaimer is property of the TTC and must not be altered or circumvented in any manner.
VSE/VSAM FOR VM (GI10-8151-00)
Hello, Does anyone have a copy of VSE/VSAM FOR VM (GI10-8151-00) (pdf or doc) that they could send me? We are late to the game of installing CMSVSAM on z/VM. Had to beg IBM for a tape and now the same for installation instruction. Thanks very much in advance, Mike Day Confident Software, Inc. Atlanta, Georgia y...@csi-soft.com 770-496-1222
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Sending again... -Mensagem original- De: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de Suleiman Shahin Enviada em: terça-feira, 17 de julho de 2007 09:25 Para: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Assunto: Re: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM Helllo Carlos, Where is it?! Nothing was attached :) Thanks. Suleiman Shahin >From: Carlos Bodra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The IBM z/VM Operating System >To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU >Subject: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:05:25 -0300 > >I hope this can help you!!! > >-Mensagem original- >De: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome >de Suleiman Shahin >Enviada em: terça-feira, 17 de julho de 2007 08:22 >Para: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU >Assunto: VSE/VSAM for VM > >Greetings, > >I am in need for the instructions to install VSE/VSAM for VM on a zVM 5.3. >I > >found a copy on tape but cannot locate the installation instructions. > >Any tips or links will be appreciated. > >Thanks to all. > >Suleiman Shahin > >_ >Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! >http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 _ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migratio n_HM_mini_2G_0507
Re: RES: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM
Thanks Carlos very, very much. Suleiman Shahin From: Carlos Bodra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The IBM z/VM Operating System To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: RES: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:48:34 -0300 Sending again... -Mensagem original- De: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de Suleiman Shahin Enviada em: terça-feira, 17 de julho de 2007 09:25 Para: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Assunto: Re: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM Helllo Carlos, Where is it?! Nothing was attached :) Thanks. Suleiman Shahin >From: Carlos Bodra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The IBM z/VM Operating System >To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU >Subject: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:05:25 -0300 > >I hope this can help you!!! > >-Mensagem original- >De: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome >de Suleiman Shahin >Enviada em: terça-feira, 17 de julho de 2007 08:22 >Para: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU >Assunto: VSE/VSAM for VM > >Greetings, > >I am in need for the instructions to install VSE/VSAM for VM on a zVM 5.3. >I > >found a copy on tape but cannot locate the installation instructions. > >Any tips or links will be appreciated. > >Thanks to all. > >Suleiman Shahin > >_ >Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! >http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 _ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migratio n_HM_mini_2G_0507 _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2
Re: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM
Helllo Carlos, Where is it?! Nothing was attached :) Thanks. Suleiman Shahin From: Carlos Bodra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The IBM z/VM Operating System To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:05:25 -0300 I hope this can help you!!! -Mensagem original- De: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de Suleiman Shahin Enviada em: terça-feira, 17 de julho de 2007 08:22 Para: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Assunto: VSE/VSAM for VM Greetings, I am in need for the instructions to install VSE/VSAM for VM on a zVM 5.3. I found a copy on tape but cannot locate the installation instructions. Any tips or links will be appreciated. Thanks to all. Suleiman Shahin _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 _ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507
RES: VSE/VSAM for VM
I hope this can help you!!! -Mensagem original- De: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de Suleiman Shahin Enviada em: terça-feira, 17 de julho de 2007 08:22 Para: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Assunto: VSE/VSAM for VM Greetings, I am in need for the instructions to install VSE/VSAM for VM on a zVM 5.3. I found a copy on tape but cannot locate the installation instructions. Any tips or links will be appreciated. Thanks to all. Suleiman Shahin _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2
VSE/VSAM for VM
Greetings, I am in need for the instructions to install VSE/VSAM for VM on a zVM 5.3. I found a copy on tape but cannot locate the installation instructions. Any tips or links will be appreciated. Thanks to all. Suleiman Shahin _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2
Re: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM
Hi, On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:39:10 -0700 Thomas Kern said: >As an aside to this discussion of IBM VSAM: > >Does anyone remember what happened with TYMVSAM from Tymshare Corp? It was >supposed to be some emulation of VSAM processing for CMS programs using >standard CMS files. I remember it fondly. I have it. I may have been the last person to actually work on the code. I believe Adesse still retains ownership. Perhaps Jerry would consider donating the code to the Open Source Community? It's been a while since I used it, but it worked quite nicely for KSDS and ESDS formats. Even worked with SFS. Cheers, Arty
Re: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM
As an aside to this discussion of IBM VSAM: Does anyone remember what happened with TYMVSAM from Tymshare Corp? It was supposed to be some emulation of VSAM processing for CMS programs using standard CMS files. /Tom Kern --- Dave Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can I second this. This will also my employers plans > to ditch VM as the auditor will not allow us to use > unsupported software on mission critical systems > > --- "Jones, Ian H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Thank you Mark. This is directed at IBM - > > > > Auditors do not care tuppence whether a product is > > 'stable'. If a > > product is used to support a production workload > > they expect it to be > > *supported*. An auditor's reaction will vary from an > > 'observation' that > > an unsupported product is being used, to a > > recommendation that use of > > the product be discontinued. In a business > > environment where auditors' > > reports can cause a company to lose a contract, no > > one can afford to use > > unsupported software. > > > > > > Ian Jones > > UKOSG - Infrastructure Specialist > > EDS > > ITO - UK mainframe Software Services > > 4 Roundwood Avenue > > Uxbridge, UB11 1BQ > > > > Phone: +44 (0)20 8754 5636 > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.mainframe.uk.eds.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Gillis, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 19 June 2006 22:24 > > Subject: Re: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM > > > > I received the following reply from Gerhard Zierl > > from IBM in April: > > > > "...The news is that after assessing the situation > > the product stays > > withdrawn from market. Toady VM/VSAM is used in very > > stable environments > > by customers who have the product already licensed > > and installed for a > > long time, IBM hasn't seen new customers to this > > product for a long > > time. Therefore we do not see any problem associated > > with the withdrawal > > from market.. z/VM 5.2 customers can use their old > > VSAM distribution > > tape which they have received with their current > > version of z/VM. > > > > Same is true for end of service. The last APAR was > > 2001 (more than 5 > > years). Before that there was one (new function) > > APAR in 1999 and 2 > > defect APARs in 1996. VM/VSAM is a very stable > > product. In addion > > VM/VSAM is used by customers in mature and stable > > environments, no new > > applications, no major changes, etc... I would > > assume the same applies > > to your product. So the risk of encountering a > > severe problem is > > extremely low. > > In case customers decide they have a critical need > > to have service > > beyond the EOS-date, then there is in general an > > option to ask IBM for a > > charged service extension agreement." > > > > Mark. > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM
Can I second this. This will also my employers plans to ditch VM as the auditor will not allow us to use unsupported software on mission critical systems --- "Jones, Ian H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you Mark. This is directed at IBM - > > Auditors do not care tuppence whether a product is > 'stable'. If a > product is used to support a production workload > they expect it to be > *supported*. An auditor's reaction will vary from an > 'observation' that > an unsupported product is being used, to a > recommendation that use of > the product be discontinued. In a business > environment where auditors' > reports can cause a company to lose a contract, no > one can afford to use > unsupported software. > > > Ian Jones > UKOSG - Infrastructure Specialist > EDS > ITO - UK mainframe Software Services > 4 Roundwood Avenue > Uxbridge, UB11 1BQ > > Phone: +44 (0)20 8754 5636 > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.mainframe.uk.eds.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Gillis, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 19 June 2006 22:24 > Subject: Re: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM > > I received the following reply from Gerhard Zierl > from IBM in April: > > "...The news is that after assessing the situation > the product stays > withdrawn from market. Toady VM/VSAM is used in very > stable environments > by customers who have the product already licensed > and installed for a > long time, IBM hasn't seen new customers to this > product for a long > time. Therefore we do not see any problem associated > with the withdrawal > from market.. z/VM 5.2 customers can use their old > VSAM distribution > tape which they have received with their current > version of z/VM. > > Same is true for end of service. The last APAR was > 2001 (more than 5 > years). Before that there was one (new function) > APAR in 1999 and 2 > defect APARs in 1996. VM/VSAM is a very stable > product. In addion > VM/VSAM is used by customers in mature and stable > environments, no new > applications, no major changes, etc... I would > assume the same applies > to your product. So the risk of encountering a > severe problem is > extremely low. > In case customers decide they have a critical need > to have service > beyond the EOS-date, then there is in general an > option to ask IBM for a > charged service extension agreement." > > Mark. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM
I think the mechanism for redirecting VSAM requests to DB2 VM was the SUBSYS operand on the FILEDEF command that allowed a VSAM emulator to be provided. I was hoping that this might provide a mechanism for us to do something for NetMaster in VM, but unfortunately the facility was never provided for GCS. Mark. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2006 11:22 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM On Tuesday, 06/20/2006 at 11:02 CET, "Jones, Ian H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you Mark. This is directed at IBM - > > Auditors do not care tuppence whether a product is 'stable'. If a > product is used to support a production workload they expect it to be > *supported*. An auditor's reaction will vary from an 'observation' that > an unsupported product is being used, to a recommendation that use of > the product be discontinued. In a business environment where auditors' > reports can cause a company to lose a contract, no one can afford to use > unsupported software. I'm not sure what you're directing to IBM, Ian. In accordance with the terms of the license agreement, we've given the necessary notice about end of service, as we promised. We've even gone back and reevaluated the decision. I would agree with you that you should should follow your company's policies with regard to the software you use. (BTW, auditors determine whether you comply with the policy; they don't create policy unless there is some area not covered by policy or the policy is too vague.) That does yield some choices (not everyone can choose from all of these): - Reengineer the programs on Power or Intel architecture - Move the programs to z/OS or z/VSE - Reengineer the programs to not use VSAM - Obtain an extended support contract (contact your IBM Business Partner or IBM rep) - Change the policy to allow unsupported "stable" software - Obtain an approved deviation from policy based on cost/risk - In the dim mists of eons past, there was a mechanism that allowed CMS VSAM requests to be redirected to DB2 for VM & VSE (added as an SPE to VM/SP 3, if memory still serves). I have no idea if that option is still available. All good things must come to an end, and change is the inevitable result. In the real world, change costs money. So the question is: Which option (a) costs least, and (b) meets your company's requirements? Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: VSE/VSAM for VM
On Tuesday, 06/20/2006 at 05:03 ZE2, Shimon Lebowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And once VSAM is unsupported, should I expect the next > version of CMS to have forgotten the DLBL and AMSERV > commands? No. Those commands are part of CMS, not VSAM, and we wouldn't save any support costs by dropping support for them. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: VSE/VSAM for VM
On 20 Jun 2006 at 9:47, Alan Altmark wrote: > > Don't get me wrong - we didn't *want* to drop support for CMS/VSAM, but > its time has come. :-( And it does illustrate the apparent paradox of > investment: You invest your money in growth areas. When they become > stable, you take your money and look for new growth. But, naturally, your > Happy Campers are located back there in the nice, comfy, stable area... And once VSAM is unsupported, should I expect the next version of CMS to have forgotten the DLBL and AMSERV commands?
Re: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM
On Tuesday, 06/20/2006 at 08:35 EST, "Huegel, Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since the product is s stable, then what is the cost to continue to support > it? > It all looks like smoke and mirrors to me. It is actually expensive to maintain the support infrastructure. There are a lot of things that must be in place so that you can call the Support Center, send dumps, receive fixes, talk to a human, and so on. There are other areas in which we would prefer to invest our limited dollars. Areas that can provide a better return on investment. Don't get me wrong - we didn't *want* to drop support for CMS/VSAM, but its time has come. :-( And it does illustrate the apparent paradox of investment: You invest your money in growth areas. When they become stable, you take your money and look for new growth. But, naturally, your Happy Campers are located back there in the nice, comfy, stable area... Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM
Title: RE: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM Since the product is s stable, then what is the cost to continue to support it? It all looks like smoke and mirrors to me. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU]On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:22 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM On Tuesday, 06/20/2006 at 11:02 CET, "Jones, Ian H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you Mark. This is directed at IBM - > > Auditors do not care tuppence whether a product is 'stable'. If a > product is used to support a production workload they expect it to be > *supported*. An auditor's reaction will vary from an 'observation' that > an unsupported product is being used, to a recommendation that use of > the product be discontinued. In a business environment where auditors' > reports can cause a company to lose a contract, no one can afford to use > unsupported software. I'm not sure what you're directing to IBM, Ian. In accordance with the terms of the license agreement, we've given the necessary notice about end of service, as we promised. We've even gone back and reevaluated the decision. I would agree with you that you should should follow your company's policies with regard to the software you use. (BTW, auditors determine whether you comply with the policy; they don't create policy unless there is some area not covered by policy or the policy is too vague.) That does yield some choices (not everyone can choose from all of these): - Reengineer the programs on Power or Intel architecture - Move the programs to z/OS or z/VSE - Reengineer the programs to not use VSAM - Obtain an extended support contract (contact your IBM Business Partner or IBM rep) - Change the policy to allow unsupported "stable" software - Obtain an approved deviation from policy based on cost/risk - In the dim mists of eons past, there was a mechanism that allowed CMS VSAM requests to be redirected to DB2 for VM & VSE (added as an SPE to VM/SP 3, if memory still serves). I have no idea if that option is still available. All good things must come to an end, and change is the inevitable result. In the real world, change costs money. So the question is: Which option (a) costs least, and (b) meets your company's requirements? Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott __ << ella for Spam Control >> has removed VSE-List messages and set aside VM-List for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! http://www.ellaforspam.com
Re: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM
On Tuesday, 06/20/2006 at 11:02 CET, "Jones, Ian H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you Mark. This is directed at IBM - > > Auditors do not care tuppence whether a product is 'stable'. If a > product is used to support a production workload they expect it to be > *supported*. An auditor's reaction will vary from an 'observation' that > an unsupported product is being used, to a recommendation that use of > the product be discontinued. In a business environment where auditors' > reports can cause a company to lose a contract, no one can afford to use > unsupported software. I'm not sure what you're directing to IBM, Ian. In accordance with the terms of the license agreement, we've given the necessary notice about end of service, as we promised. We've even gone back and reevaluated the decision. I would agree with you that you should should follow your company's policies with regard to the software you use. (BTW, auditors determine whether you comply with the policy; they don't create policy unless there is some area not covered by policy or the policy is too vague.) That does yield some choices (not everyone can choose from all of these): - Reengineer the programs on Power or Intel architecture - Move the programs to z/OS or z/VSE - Reengineer the programs to not use VSAM - Obtain an extended support contract (contact your IBM Business Partner or IBM rep) - Change the policy to allow unsupported "stable" software - Obtain an approved deviation from policy based on cost/risk - In the dim mists of eons past, there was a mechanism that allowed CMS VSAM requests to be redirected to DB2 for VM & VSE (added as an SPE to VM/SP 3, if memory still serves). I have no idea if that option is still available. All good things must come to an end, and change is the inevitable result. In the real world, change costs money. So the question is: Which option (a) costs least, and (b) meets your company's requirements? Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM
We too have been reassured by Gerhard back in April in regards to our Connect Direct product... ..."The outcome basically is: I will send you tape cartridge of VSE/VSAM for VM which can be copied and redistributed by Sterling Commerce in case one of your existing customers needs it and has lost their copy. After end-of service of VM/VSAM Sterling Commerce can still send us an e-mail in case there is an issue with the product itself. We would lo ok into it on a best can do base, certainly without any commitment for a fix. I agree to your assessment, that in a stable VM/CMS environment there is very little risk for VM/VSAM customers. Jim told me that your product is very stable and pretty much self contained as well. The fact that we haven't had any defect in the product for many years proofs it. Regards, Gerhard From: Gerhard E. Zierl Manager z/VSE Service & Development IBM Systems & Technology Group, Böblingen Laboratory" -- While this is not the "A" answer, at least it's something of a compromise . Thanks, Bob
Re: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM
Thank you Mark. This is directed at IBM - Auditors do not care tuppence whether a product is 'stable'. If a product is used to support a production workload they expect it to be *supported*. An auditor's reaction will vary from an 'observation' that an unsupported product is being used, to a recommendation that use of the product be discontinued. In a business environment where auditors' reports can cause a company to lose a contract, no one can afford to use unsupported software. Ian Jones UKOSG - Infrastructure Specialist EDS ITO - UK mainframe Software Services 4 Roundwood Avenue Uxbridge, UB11 1BQ Phone: +44 (0)20 8754 5636 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mainframe.uk.eds.com -Original Message- From: Gillis, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 June 2006 22:24 Subject: Re: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM I received the following reply from Gerhard Zierl from IBM in April: "...The news is that after assessing the situation the product stays withdrawn from market. Toady VM/VSAM is used in very stable environments by customers who have the product already licensed and installed for a long time, IBM hasn't seen new customers to this product for a long time. Therefore we do not see any problem associated with the withdrawal from market.. z/VM 5.2 customers can use their old VSAM distribution tape which they have received with their current version of z/VM. Same is true for end of service. The last APAR was 2001 (more than 5 years). Before that there was one (new function) APAR in 1999 and 2 defect APARs in 1996. VM/VSAM is a very stable product. In addion VM/VSAM is used by customers in mature and stable environments, no new applications, no major changes, etc... I would assume the same applies to your product. So the risk of encountering a severe problem is extremely low. In case customers decide they have a critical need to have service beyond the EOS-date, then there is in general an option to ask IBM for a charged service extension agreement." Mark.
Re: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM
I received the following reply from Gerhard Zierl from IBM in April: "...The news is that after assessing the situation the product stays withdrawn from market. Toady VM/VSAM is used in very stable environments by customers who have the product already licensed and installed for a long time, IBM hasn't seen new customers to this product for a long time. Therefore we do not see any problem associated with the withdrawal from market.. z/VM 5.2 customers can use their old VSAM distribution tape which they have received with their current version of z/VM. Same is true for end of service. The last APAR was 2001 (more than 5 years). Before that there was one (new function) APAR in 1999 and 2 defect APARs in 1996. VM/VSAM is a very stable product. In addion VM/VSAM is used by customers in mature and stable environments, no new applications, no major changes, etc... I would assume the same applies to your product. So the risk of encountering a severe problem is extremely low. In case customers decide they have a critical need to have service beyond the EOS-date, then there is in general an option to ask IBM for a charged service extension agreement." Mark. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shimon Lebowitz Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2006 6:48 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM > IBM MUST give an option. There are some products from IBM that uses VSAM/VM > and how we should handle this? Netview Access is one of them. Change it > means to re-think all our mainframe access. My list of current uses of VSAM also included Netview. The response of the product owner was "Netview for VM has already been discontinued, so that doesn't count". I just looked at the VM LP Matrix for 5.2 (Dec. 16, 2005), http://www.vm.ibm.com/techinfo/lpmigr/vml12165.html and it says both apparently contradictory statements: - Removed End of Service from Netview V2 for VM/ESA V2.3.0. This product is still supported. - Added Discontinuance of Service date for VSE/VSAM (5686-081), effective February 28, 2007. In any case we have LOTS more using VSAM than Netview. Shimon
Re: RES: VSE/VSAM for VM
> IBM MUST give an option. There are some products from IBM that uses VSAM/VM > and how we should handle this? Netview Access is one of them. Change it > means to re-think all our mainframe access. My list of current uses of VSAM also included Netview. The response of the product owner was "Netview for VM has already been discontinued, so that doesn't count". I just looked at the VM LP Matrix for 5.2 (Dec. 16, 2005), http://www.vm.ibm.com/techinfo/lpmigr/vml12165.html and it says both apparently contradictory statements: - Removed End of Service from Netview V2 for VM/ESA V2.3.0. This product is still supported. - Added Discontinuance of Service date for VSE/VSAM (5686-081), effective February 28, 2007. In any case we have LOTS more using VSAM than Netview. Shimon
RES: VSE/VSAM for VM
IBM MUST give an option. There are some products from IBM that uses VSAM/VM and how we should handle this? Netview Access is one of them. Change it means to re-think all our mainframe access. Carlos -Mensagem original- De: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de Shimon Lebowitz Enviada em: segunda-feira, 19 de junho de 2006 10:09 Para: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Assunto: VSE/VSAM for VM Hi, Back in December there was a flurry of activity here on the topic of VSE/VSAM for VM being discontinued. At the time, I, and I believe lots of others, wrote to the product owner expressing our concerns with this policy. Has anyone heard of there being any result to these comments/complaints? The VSE/VSAM web page at http://www.vm.ibm.com/related/vsevsam/ still announces: VSE/VSAM (5686-081) ends service February 28, 2007. Do we have to just assume that VSAM is dead, and drop all of our production applications that use it? Is that what all of you out there have done? I am pretty scared about that possibility... Shimon
Re: VSE/VSAM for VM
Shimon - I wrote to the product owner about my concerns. I explained to him that VSE/REXX performance on VSAM files was poor and that I could get better performance in VM/REXX using Address REXXVSAM and Pipe stage NASHVSAM while linked to the VSE/VSAM files. He wrote back asking for examples (which I sent him) and then I never heard from him again. /Fran Hensler at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania USA for 43 years [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.724.738.2153 "Yes, Virginia, there is a Slippery Rock" On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:09:08 +0200 Shimon Lebowitz said: >Hi, >Back in December there was a flurry of activity here >on the topic of VSE/VSAM for VM being discontinued. >At the time, I, and I believe lots of others, wrote to the >product owner expressing our concerns with this policy. > >Has anyone heard of there being any result to these >comments/complaints? > >The VSE/VSAM web page at http://www.vm.ibm.com/related/vsevsam/ >still announces: >VSE/VSAM (5686-081) ends service February 28, 2007. > >Do we have to just assume that VSAM is dead, and >drop all of our production applications that use it? >Is that what all of you out there have done? > >I am pretty scared about that possibility... >Shimon
VSE/VSAM for VM
Hi, Back in December there was a flurry of activity here on the topic of VSE/VSAM for VM being discontinued. At the time, I, and I believe lots of others, wrote to the product owner expressing our concerns with this policy. Has anyone heard of there being any result to these comments/complaints? The VSE/VSAM web page at http://www.vm.ibm.com/related/vsevsam/ still announces: VSE/VSAM (5686-081) ends service February 28, 2007. Do we have to just assume that VSAM is dead, and drop all of our production applications that use it? Is that what all of you out there have done? I am pretty scared about that possibility... Shimon
