Re: [Ilugc] FOSS

[m-murali]

interesting information mr.baskar. wish u all the success
wish to meet one of these days.
 
regards.

m.murali

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Subject: Re: [Ilugc] FOSS

> --- On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Satya Prakash Prasad 
>  wrote:
> | How do
> | people working in FOSS technology make some earning out of it.
> \--
>
> Firstly, people work in FOSS because they like working with it - 
> freedom of source code, documentation, community etc. Earning money is 
> only a side-effect.

I am one who fits in the above category.  My experience might give you some
idea about, how I am making money using FOSS business model.

>
> You can earn through services, support and training. There are 
> different business models that you can adopt.

My company (LinuXpert Systems) provide support services like FOSS Lab setup,
Training (mostly relevant to academic curriculum) and several other services
using FOSS for most Engineering colleges in the state since 2003.

Though, we are not doing any software development kind of work, but we do
customization of selective FOSS software for our customers (ex.
Koha for Library Automation, DSpace for Institutional Repository, OpenELEC
for Media Library etc. to name a few).

Now-a-days, most colleges were suffering from Proprietary Software licensing
issues.  For them we build Custom Linux distribution (with all the academic
relevant FOSS packages) for fulfilling their academic requirements.

If the intention is about making money, customize existing FOSS software by
adding features which will generate good revenue model.

S. Baskar
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS

[Baskar Selvaraj]

> --- On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Satya Prakash Prasad
>  wrote:
> | How do
> | people working in FOSS technology make some earning out of it.
> \--
>
> Firstly, people work in FOSS because they like working with it -
> freedom of source code, documentation, community etc. Earning money is
> only a side-effect.

I am one who fits in the above category.  My experience might give you
some idea about, how I am making money using FOSS business model.

>
> You can earn through services, support and training. There are
> different business models that you can adopt.

My company (LinuXpert Systems) provide support services like FOSS Lab
setup, Training (mostly relevant to academic curriculum) and several
other services using FOSS for most Engineering colleges in the state
since 2003.

Though, we are not doing any software development kind of work, but we
do customization of selective FOSS software for our customers (ex.
Koha for Library Automation, DSpace for Institutional Repository,
OpenELEC for Media Library etc. to name a few).

Now-a-days, most colleges were suffering from Proprietary Software
licensing issues.  For them we build Custom Linux distribution (with
all the academic relevant FOSS packages) for fulfilling their academic
requirements.

If the intention is about making money, customize existing FOSS
software by adding features which will generate good revenue model.

S. Baskar
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS

[satyaakam goswami]

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Satya Prakash Prasad <
satyaprakash.pra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes the software would be free but I have some confusion here. How do
> people working in FOSS technology make some earning out of it. I mean I am
> ready to dedicate my full time into it - but I need some fund as I would
> space / resource and hardwares.
>

​Save some from the earnings you are making now like any other business.​



> So where does money related to all this activities / expenses comes from -
> where does the monthly working capital comes in?
>

​you may or may not get upfront Capital like for  other businesses since
its ​service oriented kind of business , so its like this you can write
free software and ask for donations or charge users for supporting your
product .You can write custom software and  charge for the services you
rendered etc.. these are some of the ways people make a living out here .
If it looks like too much of risks the easy path i advice is take a day job
in Foss technologies , the end product may or may not be Foss so it all
depends on what you need and the company can offer.


> Is it just the credibility that the team gets for developing FOSS
> technology - let us pick one example - Python - they have a huge portal /
> resource and their software is free to develop apps - in case I start
> working voluntary (to fix bugs / support) for Python team - what would I
> get in return - this just for the concern that if I leave my job and
> dedicate my work for FOSS development the basic question of survival is
> defending me to do so?
>

​these are too many forks of the same question, there is no straight answer
to it :P ,  you need to hangout a bit longer here and thousands of groups
and mailing lists from around the world . See how things pan out for you ,
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Satya Prakash Prasad
 wrote:
| How do
| people working in FOSS technology make some earning out of it.
\--

Firstly, people work in FOSS because they like working with it -
freedom of source code, documentation, community etc. Earning money is
only a side-effect.

You can earn through services, support and training. There are
different business models that you can adopt. Please use a search
engine for more info on the topic. For a start:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_models_for_open-source_software

SK

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS

[Satya Prakash Prasad]

Yes the software would be free but I have some confusion here. How do
people working in FOSS technology make some earning out of it. I mean I am
ready to dedicate my full time into it - but I need some fund as I would
space / resource and hardwares.

So where does money related to all this activities / expenses comes from -
where does the monthly working capital comes in?

Is it just the credibility that the team gets for developing FOSS
technology - let us pick one example - Python - they have a huge portal /
resource and their software is free to develop apps - in case I start
working voluntary (to fix bugs / support) for Python team - what would I
get in return - this just for the concern that if I leave my job and
dedicate my work for FOSS development the basic question of survival is
defending me to do so?

On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 8:29 PM, satyaakam goswami 
wrote:

> >
> > Hence in case he gives me an option to develop a software - what are
> > things I should take care - does the FOSS development is done
> > completely free - making a team / space, product and functionality
> > research etc.
>
>
> ​When you say completely free what do you mean Free as in Freedom or the
> Price too ?​
>
>
> >  In all what are the things that one needs to do if one is venturing
>
> into new FOSS development software?
> >
>
> ​you need to be more specific unless  you are bound by some legal agreement
> not to reveal the idea or the project feel free to share details.
>
>
> ​cheers​
> -Satya
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> Hence in case he gives me an option to develop a software - what are
> things I should take care - does the FOSS development is done
> completely free - making a team / space, product and functionality
> research etc.


​When you say completely free what do you mean Free as in Freedom or the
Price too ?​


>  In all what are the things that one needs to do if one is venturing

into new FOSS development software?
>

​you need to be more specific unless  you are bound by some legal agreement
not to reveal the idea or the project feel free to share details.


​cheers​
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS

[Satya Prakash Prasad]

Thanks to all who replied.

Actually I have a client who is interested in initiating (about to
start) a FOSS technology development work. My side I have not done
much development on FOSS other than teaching to needy on technology
like Python, Arduino etc.

Hence in case he gives me an option to develop a software - what are
things I should take care - does the FOSS development is done
completely free - making a team / space, product and functionality
research etc.

In all what are the things that one needs to do if one is venturing
into new FOSS development software?

On 6/5/15, Shrinivasan T  wrote:
>>
>> Is there any person from Chennai who is experienced and practice
>> promoting FOSS technology?
>
> All of our list members are using FOSS and most of them are promoting.
>
> Explain your requirement in detail.
>
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS

[Shrinivasan T]

>
> Is there any person from Chennai who is experienced and practice
> promoting FOSS technology?

All of our list members are using FOSS and most of them are promoting.

Explain your requirement in detail.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS

[trupti kini]

On Friday, 5 June 2015 8:47 AM, Satya Prakash Prasad 
 wrote:


>
>
>Hi,
>
>Is there any person from Chennai who is experienced and practice
>promoting FOSS technology?


Hi,

The faculty of AU-KBC research center, MIT, Chennai promote FOSS technology and 
there is a course called Masters in Computer Science(FOSS).

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Events for the year 2015

[Gowtham Raam]

On 07-01-2015 23:52, Gowtham Raam wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> As we are in this great year what are the FOSS events we can conduct. 
> Please share the events we can conduct with a description so that we 
> can make plans accordingly.


Hi All,

In this monthly meet we discussed about the events and activities that 
can be conducted this year. As discussed the things that can be done are

  * Hackathons / Sprints
  * Workshops
  * Repository for ILUGC
  * Hardware setup such as a PC with files and OS for Community
  * Install FEST - 2015
  * Mini Meetups

1. Hackathons
 In Particular with Hackathons we discussed we can have events based 
on emerging SBC's like Raspberry Pi, Beagle bone and also on other 
emerging softwares.

2. Workshops
 We discussed that a workshop on wikipedia will be conducted. 
Depending on the response we can conduct other workshops.

3. Repository for ILUGC
 A repository for ILUGC will be maintained. FOSS files, projects and 
tutorials can be shared across community.

4. Hardware setup such as a PC with files and OS for Community
 We will setup a Hardware for the community. We need Hardware setup 
and maintenance to be done by the community people.

5. Install FEST - 2015
 This event will be conducted as like last year.

6. Mini meetups
 We have to start mini meetups eventually. This mini meetup helps 
people to interact with other people and it will not be a formal 
session. Mostly we can plan to meet in a public place and we can discuss 
about the upcoming projects and activities.


*Improvements to be made*

  * We need our website to be improved. I feel that we should have the
blog, wiki, Forums to be integrated with the site.
  * As of now we need the Projects/Listing of projects to be mentioned
in our community.


Kindly let us know if something we missed or anything to be added.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Events for the year 2015

[Gowtham Raam]

On 07-01-2015 23:52, Gowtham Raam wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> As we are in this great year what are the FOSS events we can conduct. 
> Please share the events we can conduct with a description so that we 
> can make plans accordingly.


Hi All,

In this monthly meet we discussed about the events and activities that 
can be conducted this year. As discussed the things that can be done are

  * Hackathons / Sprints
  * Workshops
  * Repository for ILUGC
  * Hardware setup such as a PC with files and OS for Community
  * Install FEST - 2015
  * Mini Meetups

1. Hackathons
 In Particular with Hackathons we discussed we can have events based 
on emerging SBC's like Raspberry Pi, Beagle bone and also on other 
emerging softwares.

2. Workshops
 We discussed that a workshop on wikipedia will be conducted. 
Depending on the response we can conduct other workshops.

3. Repository for ILUGC
 A repository for ILUGC will be maintained. FOSS files, projects and 
tutorials can be shared across community.

4. Hardware setup such as a PC with files and OS for Community
 We will setup a Hardware for the community. We need Hardware setup 
and maintenance to be done by the community people.

5. Install FEST - 2015
 This event will be conducted as like last year.

6. Mini meetups
 We have to start mini meetups eventually. This mini meetup helps 
people to interact with other people and it will not be a formal 
session. Mostly we can plan to meet in a public place and we can discuss 
about the upcoming projects and activities.


*Improvements to be made*

  * We need our website to be improved. I feel that we should have the
blog, wiki, Forums to be integrated with the site.
  * As of now we need the Projects/Listing of projects to be mentioned
in our community.


Kindly let us know if something we missed or anything to be added.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Events for the year 2015

[Shrayas rajagopal]

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Gowtham Raam
 wrote:
> As we are in this great year what are the FOSS events we can conduct.
> Please share the events we can conduct with a description so that we can
> make plans accordingly.

Sprints are something we should definitely try!

The idea is something like this:

* Identify a bunch of FOSS projects
* File issues, send patches, etc

This will, in my opinion help us build a stronger community and at the
same time, help out with some Open source work.

The Bangalore Python User Group has tried this as well and they seemed
to have had a great[1] response to it.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop at SRM universituy, Kattankulathur

[Ganesh Ranganathan]

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Shrinivasan T 
wrote:

>
> We are excited to announce that the first ever FOSS workshop at SRM is
> going to be held on 13th and 14th of Oct, 2014.
>

​Yay...that's my college :) ​Nice to see FOSS workshops being conducted
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Hotel Management System

[Arun Khan]

On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Chirag Vora  wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Kumaran R  wrote:
>
>> Hi ILUGC!
>>
>> I've gat a new client, who is opening a new hotel soon. I explained him
>> about the concept, development model and the benefits of using a FOSS based
>> solution. He was impressed and wants to implement a FOSS based Hotel
>> Management Solution.
>>
>
> I am looking for a FOSS solution for pharmacy retail store management.
>

Please read the list guidelines; and then please open a *new* thread
with an appropriate subject line and do *not* hijack this thread with
your question.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Hotel Management System

[saket sinha]

Dear All,

 You would never get a FOSS software exactly meeting your need.
You will have to 'tailor' it to your needs. Hire some developers or rather
ask some freelancers or hobbyists to customize it.it is still much cheaper
than any  Commercial software.

Regards,
Saket Sinha





On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Chirag Vora  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Kumaran R  wrote:
>
> > Hi ILUGC!
> >
> > I've gat a new client, who is opening a new hotel soon. I explained him
> > about the concept, development model and the benefits of using a FOSS
> based
> > solution. He was impressed and wants to implement a FOSS based Hotel
> > Management Solution.
> >
>
> I am looking for a FOSS solution for pharmacy retail store management.
>
> >
>
> >
> > He also has had a bad experience in vendor lock-in. He wants a
> > client-server based model, that'll take care of billing, employee
> salaries
> > and stock taking. On googling, I found out that there are many Hotel
> > Booking Software that are available. But I couldn't find any software
> that
> > would fit his needs. So please let me know if there are any FOSS software
> > that would fill this need.
> >
> I am also facing a similar situation, please do let me know if there is any
> FOSS software,
> Moreover, since I need this software at multiple stores, I have to spend a
> lot on license for each site.
>
> My needs are inventory management, add details about all SKUs, all options
> for Point of Sales (PoS)
> I would also like to hear from any developer who is already working on
> similar project, if any.
>
>
> >
> >
> > With Regards,
> > ~~Kumaran
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Hotel Management System

[Chirag Vora]

On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Kumaran R  wrote:

> Hi ILUGC!
>
> I've gat a new client, who is opening a new hotel soon. I explained him
> about the concept, development model and the benefits of using a FOSS based
> solution. He was impressed and wants to implement a FOSS based Hotel
> Management Solution.
>

I am looking for a FOSS solution for pharmacy retail store management.

>

>
> He also has had a bad experience in vendor lock-in. He wants a
> client-server based model, that'll take care of billing, employee salaries
> and stock taking. On googling, I found out that there are many Hotel
> Booking Software that are available. But I couldn't find any software that
> would fit his needs. So please let me know if there are any FOSS software
> that would fill this need.
>
I am also facing a similar situation, please do let me know if there is any
FOSS software,
Moreover, since I need this software at multiple stores, I have to spend a
lot on license for each site.

My needs are inventory management, add details about all SKUs, all options
for Point of Sales (PoS)
I would also like to hear from any developer who is already working on
similar project, if any.


>
>
> With Regards,
> ~~Kumaran
> R
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Hotel Management System

[Arun Khan]

On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Kumaran R  wrote:
>
> I've gat a new client, who is opening a new hotel soon. I explained him
> about the concept, development model and the benefits of using a FOSS based
> solution. He was impressed and wants to implement a FOSS based Hotel
> Management Solution.

Nice advocacy :)

> He also has had a bad experience in vendor lock-in. He wants a
> client-server based model, that'll take care of billing, employee salaries
> and stock taking. On googling, I found out that there are many Hotel
> Booking Software that are available.

I would suggest avoid 'client/server' apps., it is legacy.   I have
seen MS Windows based apps and they too have moved to Web UI based
solutions in the Hospitality vertical.   Your customer can install
thin clients and  the staff can access the application from any
browser (needless to mention with proper ACL).

> But I couldn't find any software that
> would fit his needs. So please let me know if there are any FOSS software
> that would fill this need.

I second Satyakam's comment.

ALL solutions, however comprehensive they might be, will require customization.

The nice thing with a F/OS/S solution - you have access to the code to
mod. it to your customer's specific requirements.

You know best what your customer wants.   In selecting a solution,
besides customer requirements,  you need to consider (a) the platform
(b) your competence level in that platform for customizing the
application.

Do let us know how the project goes.

Best.
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Hotel Management System

[satyaakam goswami]

>
> He also has had a bad experience in vendor lock-in. He wants a
> client-server based model, that'll take care of billing, employee salaries
> and stock taking. On googling, I found out that there are many Hotel
> Booking Software that are available. But I couldn't find any software that
> would fit his needs. So please let me know if there are any FOSS software
> that would fill this need.
>

can you give a list of what you found ? , one approach could be find the
one closest to his requirement and work with the community to satisfy the
customer needs , or if you think that is too much of re engineering start
one from scratch . there are pros and cons and both the approaches .

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS session in KarpagaVinayga Engg.College

[Raja Rajan]

Happy to hear you taking aspiring classes .. My wishes to continue your
service
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop in KPR Institute of Engineering and Technology, Arasur, Coimbatore Dt.

[Baskar Selvaraj]

> Great work :) Maybe its my repeated question hope you dont mind . What
> did the lab installation include ? How was the experience ?
>

Fedora-18 has about 30K packages overall.  Our kickstart based remote
installation installs about 7.5K packages (almost all package groups in
F18, excluding languages).

After the lab setup, the college system admin told me that he would
immediately discuss with HOD, Principal and Management to change most labs
to Linux/FOSS.  This experience I had in almost all the colleges I visited
/ setup labs.

Repeating again that, the colleges have completely lost interest in
Proprietary OS / Applications and all institutions wants to switch  to
Linux.  By 2015, about 70% of engineering colleges in TN would be using
Linux in their IT infrastructure.  Changes in curriculum and avoiding
proprietary applications in lab requirements could make this process a lot
easier and earlier.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop in KPR Institute of Engineering and Technology, Arasur, Coimbatore Dt.

[pavithran]

On 17 March 2013 13:19, Baskar Selvaraj  wrote:
> This FOSS Lab implementation is dedicated to our beloved KG (as he asked me
> last year whether I had done for this college and it was done now).  A
> three days FOSS workshop has been planned to be conducted from March 25th -
> 27th, 2013.

Great work :) Maybe its my repeated question hope you dont mind . What
did the lab installation include ? How was the experience ?
Really happy to hear that its close to ooty and a college which KG
was interested in .

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS News: Edition 1

[Raman.P]

--- On Thu, 1/11/12, dinesh balaji  wrote:

> > Welcome to FOSS News: Edition 1-
> Oct 1,2012
> >
> 
> A small correction, This edition is for November 1,2012
> 

One more correction may also be appropriate

s/foss news/ubuntu foss news/g

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS News: Edition 1

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> Welcome to FOSS News: Edition 1- Oct 1,2012
>

A small correction, This edition is for November 1,2012
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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[pavithran]

On 30 August 2012 12:45, Karthikeyan A.K  wrote:
> Yup, you may not read it if you wish. It could put you into hell. :-))

Dude whatever you are trolling at I dont care but the first rule of
this LUG is not to top post especially from someone who understands a
bit of "technology" as you seem to be . Why do you repeatedly top post
?

If you don't like the group please do unsubscribe , but please don't top post .

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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[Baskar Selvaraj]

Dear all,

>
> The OP is spending valuable time building this resource for the community at
> large,(isn't charging anything for his effort and neither is he getting a cut
> out of any business that is generated from the directory). So the only thing
> he should be concerned about is making his work easier.
>

Two days before, myself had a discussion with the Director of
MSME-TDC, Chennai.  During the discussion, he expressed his concern
that he could not find right organization/people to get FOSS support
for his project.

Hence, I requested our ILUG-C co-ordinator Mr. Shrinivasan to make
arrangements in finding / listing such organizations in both
Kaniyam/ILUG-C where many organizations like above could benefit.

So, I request the list members, whoever maybe commercially supporting
FOSS to list themselves with complete contact details which would
benefit not only themselves but also a wider section of the society
who may be looking support for FOSS.

With regards

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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[Karthikeyan A.K]

Yup, you may not read it if you wish. It could put you into hell. :-))

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Kingsly John wrote:

> +++ Karthikeyan A.K [2012-08-30 11:58:59]:
>
> > Well, why can't it be done?
>
> *plonk*
>
> Just realised that you are the same #$&%@* behind the Ruby book/thread.
>
> Apologies to list members for feeding the troll, won't happen again.
>
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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[Kingsly John]

+++ Karthikeyan A.K [2012-08-30 11:58:59]:

> Well, why can't it be done?

*plonk*

Just realised that you are the same #$&%@* behind the Ruby book/thread.

Apologies to list members for feeding the troll, won't happen again.

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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[Karthikeyan A.K]

Well, why can't it be done?

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Kingsly John wrote:

> +++ Karthikeyan A.K [2012-08-30 10:41:08]:
>
> > Common, I don't understand this. If some one wants to be with foss, why
> he
> > must do everything in a difficult way. If things are made easy they are
> > termed childish.
>
> No one is asking you to write validated HTML + CSS  + JS to add an entry.
> Editing a wiki is trival and there a millions non-foss/non-techie people
> that
> edit wikipedia without any problems.
>
> > These FOSS people make things difficult and blame the world not adapting
> to
> > it. Common
>
> This is a purely commercial listing and if you don't care to be listed
> there
> it's your loss. FOSS will survive just fine without you/ your company being
> listed there.
>
> Have you ever tried to get an ad printed in a newspaper/magazine or shown
> on
> TV? They have very specific requirements about the format in which
> submissions should be made. Why should this be any different?
>
> The OP is spending valuable time building this resource for the community
> at
> large,(isn't charging anything for his effort and neither is he getting a
> cut
> out of any business that is generated from the directory). So the only
> thing
> he should be concerned about is making his work easier.
>
> > There is a reason why all have a telephone with them rather than a
> > telegraphic machine. What next? Post to this form using binary ASCII
> codes?
> > :-))
>
> What next? You'll complain about how your listing isn't generating any
> leads?
> That your business isn't earning millions of dollars and it's all the OP's
> fault?
>
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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[Kingsly John]

+++ Karthikeyan A.K [2012-08-30 10:41:08]:

> Common, I don't understand this. If some one wants to be with foss, why he
> must do everything in a difficult way. If things are made easy they are
> termed childish.

No one is asking you to write validated HTML + CSS  + JS to add an entry.
Editing a wiki is trival and there a millions non-foss/non-techie people that
edit wikipedia without any problems.

> These FOSS people make things difficult and blame the world not adapting to
> it. Common

This is a purely commercial listing and if you don't care to be listed there
it's your loss. FOSS will survive just fine without you/ your company being
listed there.

Have you ever tried to get an ad printed in a newspaper/magazine or shown on
TV? They have very specific requirements about the format in which
submissions should be made. Why should this be any different?

The OP is spending valuable time building this resource for the community at
large,(isn't charging anything for his effort and neither is he getting a cut
out of any business that is generated from the directory). So the only thing
he should be concerned about is making his work easier.

> There is a reason why all have a telephone with them rather than a
> telegraphic machine. What next? Post to this form using binary ASCII codes?
> :-))

What next? You'll complain about how your listing isn't generating any leads?
That your business isn't earning millions of dollars and it's all the OP's
fault?

Kingsly

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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[satyaakam goswami]

> FYI: Added Career Gear.

cool , wow 9 already , let me fix some wiki text .

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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[satyaakam goswami]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Karthikeyan A.K  wrote:
> Common, I don't understand this. If some one wants to be with foss, why he
> must do everything in a difficult way. If things are made easy they are
> termed childish.

first follow the list guidelines
http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines/ it makes everyone's lives much
easier .you have been asked multiple times by different people.

> These FOSS people make things difficult and blame the world not adapting to
> it. Common

difficult and childish are relative terms , who is  blaming who ? they
are just point of views , ideas and approaches these are the arguments
all about  no matter what you try to do  in Life or Foss  there is
always multiple ways to do it , some people warn about being
fragmented etc.. these thought processes and people are like this
because no two people are alike hence no two approaches to a situation
would be similar , once you understand this you would be surprised to
see best of friends arguing , just like  politics and politicians they
all argue but that does stop them from being good friends , its just
the ideology which differentiates one from another , i feel  arguments
are good for a healthy community.

so far i have seen five kinds of people in Foss world once you
identify the type its really easy to deal with them , be warned anyone
can become the other in due  course of time you have to make a
judgement based on the topic and arguments.

1)Newbie
2)Radical
3)Moderate
4)Cusp
5)Suckers

> There is a reason why all have a telephone with them rather than a
> telegraphic machine. What next? Post to this form using binary ASCII codes?
> :-))

correct how many people still know how they used to work , again its a
perception issue and belief system if someone appreciates a
telegraphic machine or the Ham because of its historical perceptive or
the way it was build , what is wrong in that , you decide what you
want to do and just move on.

> We need to wake up.

Who was  sleeping :-) , wake up to what ? all is well and this is how
the things were and will be .


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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[Suraj Kumar]

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Shrinivasan T wrote:

> Friends.
>
> We are planning to interview the people who do business in TamilNadu
> based on Free Open Source Software.
> They will be published in ILUGC site and in Kaniyam.
>
> Reply here if you know such Commercial organizations that provides
> support, training, development, service, customizations,
> implementations etc for Free/Open Source Software.
>
> You can add the details here too.
>
>
> http://wiki.ilugc.in/index.php?title=Foss_based_solutions_providing_Organizations
>

FYI: Added Career Gear.

cheers,

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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[Manokaran K]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Karthikeyan A.K wrote:

> Common, I don't understand this. If some one wants to be with foss, why he
> must do everything in a difficult way. If things are made easy they are
> termed childish.
>

How have you made this easy? You have only posted your gripe! This wiki is
a place where you post for free publicity. If you dont want it you just
walk away. Not throw mud at people for not wanting the pleasure of your
glorious contact details!


>
> These FOSS people make things difficult and blame the world not adapting to
> it. Common
>
>
Again, what have you, the Non FOSS hero, done to make things easy?


> There is a reason why all have a telephone with them rather than a
> telegraphic machine. What next? Post to this form using binary ASCII codes?
> :-))
>
> We need to wake up.
>
>
Had a hard days work and would like to catch a few more winks. Wake us up
with an exciting solution, will you?

yaaawn,
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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[Balachandran Sivakumar]

Hi,

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Karthikeyan A.K  wrote:
>
> We need to wake up.
>

We also need to wake up to the fact that top-posting is bad
and that the list guidelines state the in a clear explicit, manner :)
Please do not top-post. Use trimmed-interleaved posting. Thanks


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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[Karthikeyan A.K]

Common, I don't understand this. If some one wants to be with foss, why he
must do everything in a difficult way. If things are made easy they are
termed childish.

These FOSS people make things difficult and blame the world not adapting to
it. Common

There is a reason why all have a telephone with them rather than a
telegraphic machine. What next? Post to this form using binary ASCII codes?
:-))

We need to wake up.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:03 AM, satyaakam goswami wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 6:45 AM, chidambaresan ananthan
>  wrote:
> > As a foss based organization they must know how to use wiki..because
> > wiki pays more attention and reachout.instead of cant,please try.its
> > so simple.just create a login,login into wiki and copy the previous
> > organization list starting from | to |- and edit your company name
> > there and paste it in any place you want.
> yes that is different angle to it if they do not play along the
> ecosystems people will sooner or later will come to  know  and they
> will soon be out of business this market place is bit different in the
> sense if they do not know and have money to employ people then they
> should even for tasks like these or other, which ultimately will build
> the brand and create credibility , my interest is to have as many
> companies like them , since we need more companies like these and many
> more to fill the void of  frustration and  unemployment youth of this
> nation faces.
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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[satyaakam goswami]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 6:45 AM, chidambaresan ananthan
 wrote:
> As a foss based organization they must know how to use wiki..because
> wiki pays more attention and reachout.instead of cant,please try.its
> so simple.just create a login,login into wiki and copy the previous
> organization list starting from | to |- and edit your company name
> there and paste it in any place you want.
yes that is different angle to it if they do not play along the
ecosystems people will sooner or later will come to  know  and they
will soon be out of business this market place is bit different in the
sense if they do not know and have money to employ people then they
should even for tasks like these or other, which ultimately will build
the brand and create credibility , my interest is to have as many
companies like them , since we need more companies like these and many
more to fill the void of  frustration and  unemployment youth of this
nation faces.

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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[chidambaresan ananthan]

As a foss based organization they must know how to use wiki..because
wiki pays more attention and reachout.instead of cant,please try.its
so simple.just create a login,login into wiki and copy the previous
organization list starting from | to |- and edit your company name
there and paste it in any place you want.

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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[Shrinivasan T]

> see the wiki.
> update the wiki page with your details or give all the details here.

I asked to give all the details here, if editing wiki is tough.
I dont think sending email is tough :-)

>> @Srinivas have a simple form in google doc or some place then put the
>> info wherever or what ever form you  want  , i have seen people being
>> very uncomfortable  with wiki style :P

if we use google docs, for each form submission, I have to copy and
paste the data into wiki. Imagine 100s of form submissions, I have to
keep on doing the same copy paste work for the whole day.

If any organization want to get some publicity for free, adding their
info themself wont be a huge task.

The entire wikipedia is working with the same very uncomfortable wiki style :P

Learning wiki editing is like learning GNU/Linux Commands.
It has a steep learning curve but has its own advantages.
Editing a wiki page is a easiest way to share our knowledge as a
contribution to the community.

As I told already, I have requested to give the details here in the
list so that anyone can add in the wiki page. :-)

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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[Arun Venkataswamy]

On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 6:27 PM, satyaakam goswami wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Karthikeyan A.K 
> wrote:
> > That's a complex task. I can't.
> @Srinivas have a simple form in google doc or some place then put the
> info wherever or what ever form you  want  , i have seen people being
> very uncomfortable  with wiki style :P
>

+1
One initial attempt of submitting photos and I never tried again.

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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[Rajagopal Swaminathan]

Greetings,

On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 6:27 PM, satyaakam goswami  wrote:
> @Srinivas have a simple form in google doc or some place then put the
> info wherever or what ever form you  want  , i have seen people being
> very uncomfortable  with wiki style :P
>
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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[satyaakam goswami]

On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Karthikeyan A.K  wrote:
> That's a complex task. I can't.
@Srinivas have a simple form in google doc or some place then put the
info wherever or what ever form you  want  , i have seen people being
very uncomfortable  with wiki style :P


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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[Karthikeyan A.K]

That's a complex task. I can't.

On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Shrinivasan T wrote:

> On Aug 29, 2012 2:39 PM, "Karthikeyan A.K"  wrote:
> >
> > We do,
> >
> > Contact me at +91 9444018524
> >
>
> see the wiki.
> update the wiki page with your details or give all the details here.
>
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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[Shrinivasan T]

On Aug 29, 2012 2:39 PM, "Karthikeyan A.K"  wrote:
>
> We do,
>
> Contact me at +91 9444018524
>

see the wiki.
update the wiki page with your details or give all the details here.

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Re: [Ilugc] Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu

[Karthikeyan A.K]

We do,

Contact me at +91 9444018524

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Shrinivasan T wrote:

> Friends.
>
> We are planning to interview the people who do business in TamilNadu
> based on Free Open Source Software.
> They will be published in ILUGC site and in Kaniyam.
>
> Reply here if you know such Commercial organizations that provides
> support, training, development, service, customizations,
> implementations etc for Free/Open Source Software.
>
> You can add the details here too.
>
>
> http://wiki.ilugc.in/index.php?title=Foss_based_solutions_providing_Organizations
>
> Thanks.
>
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>
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Re: [Ilugc] foss and colleges

[ஆமாச்சு]

On Monday 06 August 2012 04:28 PM, ashwin kesavan wrote:
> I think ilugc is stressing on colleges bit too far. Remember KG didn't
> learn foss in colleges.

what is ILUGC? you, me and all here. ;-)

may be you can try what you say on behalf of ILUGC & few may join hands 
with you so that ILUGC also does what you say. :-)
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup

[g.t rao]

Greetings,
pl send me details about lab server setup .



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On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 6:05 AM, raja rajeshwari  wrote:

> Where are these colleges?
> >
> Coimbatore,Erode,Tiruppur,Salem
>
> >
> > How much do you charge?
> >
> only allowances ( TA/DA/  hospitality)
>
>
> TKS.Rajarajeshwari
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup

[raja rajeshwari]

Where are these colleges?
>
Coimbatore,Erode,Tiruppur,Salem

>
> How much do you charge?
>
only allowances ( TA/DA/  hospitality)


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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup

[Shrinivasan T]

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, raja rajeshwari  wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> We have setup FOSS Labs for Engineering colleges and the staff members were
> trained on the basics of Linux with
> an introduction to perl,php,python and mysql.FOSS Lab has been setup in the
> following colleges.

Good to know that you do a nice service.

Where are these colleges?

How much do you charge?




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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop in Gnanamani Group of Institutions, Namakkal Dt.

[Baskar Selvaraj]

 at 8:59 PM, karthik kgm  wrote:
> I saw your Interview in Kaniyam 3. This what we want. You need to express,
> your experience. What peoples (Who are attend the your seminar) think about
> your seminar. I really sorry for my words. You must continue your post with
> your experience.

I will post a detailed mail about students and my experience soon.

Regards

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop in Gnanamani Group of Institutions, Namakkal Dt.

[karthik kgm]

I saw your Interview in Kaniyam 3. This what we want. You need to express,
your experience. What peoples (Who are attend the your seminar) think about
your seminar. I really sorry for my words. You must continue your post with
your experience.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:08 PM, kenneth gonsalves
wrote:

> On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 16:54 +0530, karthik kgm wrote:
> > In lots of times I found that,  you post as "I did this... I did
> > this... I
> > did this...". Instead of this you can share about the student's
> > interest on
> > FOSS. Its my kind request. You can post your self advertisement in
> > your own
> > blog.
>
> do not top post. This point has been discussed before and most of us
> appreciate the posts and have asked him to continue. (by the way what
> have *you* done for FOSS so far - we would appreciate it if you post
> your self advertisement.)
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop in Gnanamani Group of Institutions, Namakkal Dt.

[kenneth gonsalves]

On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 16:54 +0530, karthik kgm wrote:
> In lots of times I found that,  you post as "I did this... I did
> this... I
> did this...". Instead of this you can share about the student's
> interest on
> FOSS. Its my kind request. You can post your self advertisement in
> your own
> blog. 

do not top post. This point has been discussed before and most of us
appreciate the posts and have asked him to continue. (by the way what
have *you* done for FOSS so far - we would appreciate it if you post
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop in Gnanamani Group of Institutions, Namakkal Dt.

[Baskar Selvaraj]

>
> Can individuals get the copy of the repo? Or is it possible to give
> instructions to download the full repo so that individuals can download it
> for their personal use?

If the individuals could help any colleges they might know to get the
resources, then the individuals will also get the same resources free
of cost.

Our main objective is to promote / provide the FOSS resources reaching
the academic community wider and also help individuals who contribute
towards that.

Regards

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop in Gnanamani Group of Institutions, Namakkal Dt.

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On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Baskar Selvaraj wrote:

> > colleges, i think, baskar had offered all his materials.. (pls correct me
> > if i am wrong)..
>
> Recently we have sent a letter to 490 engineering colleges in TN that,
> the colleges can get the following FOSS resources (more than 450+ GB)
> free of cost by providing a 500 GB external hard disk.
>
> 1. Fedora-14/15/16 with complete repo including RPM-Fusion (i386,
> x86_64, source)
> 2. CentOS 6.2 with EPEL repo (i386, x86_64, source)
> 3. Debian 6.0.4 with complete repo (i386, amd64, source)
> 4. Ubuntu 11.10 with complete repo (i386 only)
> 5. Linux Mint 12 with complete repo (i386 only)
>
> Few colleges have already sent the hard disk to obtain the above
> mentioned resources.
>
> The only request we made with these colleges is, they should help
> other nearby colleges by providing these resources when required by
> them.
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop in Gnanamani Group of Institutions, Namakkal Dt.

[Baskar Selvaraj]

> colleges, i think, baskar had offered all his materials.. (pls correct me
> if i am wrong)..

Recently we have sent a letter to 490 engineering colleges in TN that,
the colleges can get the following FOSS resources (more than 450+ GB)
free of cost by providing a 500 GB external hard disk.

1. Fedora-14/15/16 with complete repo including RPM-Fusion (i386,
x86_64, source)
2. CentOS 6.2 with EPEL repo (i386, x86_64, source)
3. Debian 6.0.4 with complete repo (i386, amd64, source)
4. Ubuntu 11.10 with complete repo (i386 only)
5. Linux Mint 12 with complete repo (i386 only)

Few colleges have already sent the hard disk to obtain the above
mentioned resources.

The only request we made with these colleges is, they should help
other nearby colleges by providing these resources when required by
them.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop in Gnanamani Group of Institutions, Namakkal Dt.

[senthilraja P]

I hope, those who criticised baskar should answer now..   even in GNU
license, it is given that the software is free, but we can charge for
training and other services..  Baskar has been regularly posting his FOSS
seminar events here for past few years.   His efforts being seen as an
example, and guidelines on how we can do.

IF any one want to setup labs, and take seminars on FOSS in engineering
colleges, i think, baskar had offered all his materials.. (pls correct me
if i am wrong)..

SO dont discourage such persons by this negative comments..

In my view, even if we suppose, baskar is posting it for
self-advertisement, what is the wrong in it?

Regards,
Senthil

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Baskar Selvaraj wrote:

>  Instead of this you can share about the student's interest on
> > FOSS. Its my kind request. You can post your self advertisement in your
> own
> > blog.
>
> Most of the FOSS programs which I have been conducting in TN, I have
> been doing it for free at my own expenses and only few colleges pay my
> expenses.
>
> And in the past few programs I have been conducting regular quiz
> contest based on the Revolution OS movie and distributed more than 50
> copies of LFY magazine alongwith DVD at my own cost
>
> In all my programs i distribute atleast 10 copies of the magazine and
> several distro CD/DVDs to the students to learn and try FOSS and I
> have distributed 20 copies of the magazine and more than 20 DVDs for
> the above 2 colleges and I never mention these things in any of my
> post (and still have more than 450 copies to distribute for students
> worth more than 45K).
>
> If you want to know the students interest, then you have to be with me
> atleast a day and you can understand very well what college students
> think about FOSS.
>
> I can only accept the above statement when any of the colleges in TN
> says, I have been doing it for self advertisement.
>
> If you feel my posting as a self advertisement, you could better
> filter my emails easily.
>
> With regards
>
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop in Gnanamani Institutions

[benedict nicholas]

Dear Members,

We
 should be proud that one of our ilugc members has influenced so many 
colleges in establishing their FOSS labs. Let us appreciate Mr. Bhaskar 
and his Team  for establishing and promoting FOSS in a such a large 
scale. His mails are informative and encourages us to do more among 
college students.

I hope our friend Karthik will put this matter to rest by sending words of 
appreciation.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop in Gnanamani Group of Institutions, Namakkal Dt.

[Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன்]

Hi,

>>Any  foss workshops or meetings in chennai 8 to 11 march 2012.

We have our monthly meeting on March 10 2012 second Saturday  between
15:00hrs and 17:30hrs at IITM.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop in Gnanamani Group of Institutions, Namakkal Dt.

[g.t rao]

Greetings all,
Any  foss workshops or meetings in chennai 8 to 11 march 2012.

Regards,
G.T.RAO


On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Jacob G Podipara  wrote:

> > > did this...". Instead of this you can share about the student's
> interest on
> > > FOSS. Its my kind request. You can post your self advertisement in
> your own
> > > blog.
>
> Great job! Any workshops in Coimbatore!!
>   Podi
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop in Gnanamani Group of Institutions, Namakkal Dt.

[Baskar Selvaraj]

 Instead of this you can share about the student's interest on
> FOSS. Its my kind request. You can post your self advertisement in your own
> blog.

Most of the FOSS programs which I have been conducting in TN, I have
been doing it for free at my own expenses and only few colleges pay my
expenses.

And in the past few programs I have been conducting regular quiz
contest based on the Revolution OS movie and distributed more than 50
copies of LFY magazine alongwith DVD at my own cost

In all my programs i distribute atleast 10 copies of the magazine and
several distro CD/DVDs to the students to learn and try FOSS and I
have distributed 20 copies of the magazine and more than 20 DVDs for
the above 2 colleges and I never mention these things in any of my
post (and still have more than 450 copies to distribute for students
worth more than 45K).

If you want to know the students interest, then you have to be with me
atleast a day and you can understand very well what college students
think about FOSS.

I can only accept the above statement when any of the colleges in TN
says, I have been doing it for self advertisement.

If you feel my posting as a self advertisement, you could better
filter my emails easily.

With regards

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop in Gnanamani Group of Institutions, Namakkal Dt.

[g.t rao]

Greetings,
thankx, to Baskar Selvaraj his contribution in the form of training or
awareness on  foss .


Regards all,

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Guruprasad  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:54 PM, karthik kgm 
> wrote:
> > In lots of times I found that,  you post as "I did this... I did this...
> I
> > did this...". Instead of this you can share about the student's interest
> on
> > FOSS. Its my kind request. You can post your self advertisement in your
> own
> > blog.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Baskar Selvaraj  >wrote:
>
> A very narrow, short-sighted observation I would say. Baskar has been
> doing immense contribution in terms getting people to use FOSS and
> mainly GNU/Linux (as I would prefer to call it, ymmv). The posts here
> are to just to let the world know about the good work he has been
> doing and to inspire more people to contribute. So most of the members
> on this list, include me, want him to continue posting about his good
> work. If it is an irritant to you, you could filter the emails easily.
>
> Do not top post. Kindly read the mailing list guidelines
> (http://www.ilugc.in/content/mailinglist-guidelines) and follow them.
>
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop in Gnanamani Group of Institutions, Namakkal Dt.

[Guruprasad]

Hi,

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:54 PM, karthik kgm  wrote:
> In lots of times I found that,  you post as "I did this... I did this... I
> did this...". Instead of this you can share about the student's interest on
> FOSS. Its my kind request. You can post your self advertisement in your own
> blog.
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Baskar Selvaraj wrote:

A very narrow, short-sighted observation I would say. Baskar has been
doing immense contribution in terms getting people to use FOSS and
mainly GNU/Linux (as I would prefer to call it, ymmv). The posts here
are to just to let the world know about the good work he has been
doing and to inspire more people to contribute. So most of the members
on this list, include me, want him to continue posting about his good
work. If it is an irritant to you, you could filter the emails easily.

Do not top post. Kindly read the mailing list guidelines
(http://www.ilugc.in/content/mailinglist-guidelines) and follow them.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop in Gnanamani Group of Institutions, Namakkal Dt.

[Balachandran Sivakumar]

Hi,

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:54 PM, karthik kgm  wrote:
> In lots of times I found that,  you post as "I did this... I did this... I
> did this...". Instead of this you can share about the student's interest on
> FOSS. Its my kind request. You can post your self advertisement in your own
> blog.
>

This is not self-advertisement. In non-technical terms, this
is "conversion" to free software, and so the news is more than
welcome. Thanks

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop in Gnanamani Group of Institutions, Namakkal Dt.

[Sundaram Ramachandran]

> In lots of times I found that,  you post as "I did this... I did this... I
> did this...". Instead of this you can share about the student's interest on
> FOSS. Its my kind request. You can post your self advertisement in your own
> blog.

What is your problem? Atleast Bhaskar did  something to promote FOSS what 
about you?

Writing about FOSS activities in this mailing list is not advertisement. Stop 
being jealous.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop in Gnanamani Group of Institutions, Namakkal Dt.

[karthik kgm]

In lots of times I found that,  you post as "I did this... I did this... I
did this...". Instead of this you can share about the student's interest on
FOSS. Its my kind request. You can post your self advertisement in your own
blog.

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Baskar Selvaraj wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Myself conducted a Two days FOSS Workshop in the following colleges on
> 22/02/12 & 23/02/12.
>
> Gnanamani College of Engineering (www.gce.org.in)
> Gnanamani College of Technology (www.gct.org.in)
>
> The workshop was conducted for the 3rd year students of CSE and around
> 140+ students participated in the workshop.
>
> A 32 seat FOSS Lab was setup for both the colleges.
>
> I would like to thank the Principal of GCE/GCT for the opportunity.
>
> Regards
>
> S. Baskar
> CEO/LinuXpert Systems
> http://twitter.com/linuxbaskar
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS for Organization chart

[Rajagopal Swaminathan]

Greetings,

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Suraj Kumar  wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Arun Khan  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:40 PM, freeos  wrote:
>> >
>> >    Any idea about free software for organization chart which
>> > includes templates?
>>
>> Install "dia"  It has templates for a host of other things besides org
>> charts.
>>
>

hmm... Inkscape comes to mind. Well I have used (Libreoffice/)
Openoffice (now owned by Apache foundation) to good effect. There are
many addons.

Sorry in a hurry, so google the extensions yourself.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS for Organization chart

[Suraj Kumar]

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Arun Khan  wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:40 PM, freeos  wrote:
> >
> >Any idea about free software for organization chart which
> > includes templates?
>
> Install "dia"  It has templates for a host of other things besides org
> charts.
>

dia can be used to make very good, professional looking diagrams. However,
if its a very large chart, freemind (or any other suitable) mind mapping
software might be helpful in representing your org structure.

regards,

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS for Organization chart

[Suraj Kumar]

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Arun Khan  wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:40 PM, freeos  wrote:
> >
> >Any idea about free software for organization chart which
> > includes templates?
>
> Install "dia"  It has templates for a host of other things besides org
> charts.
>

dia can be used to make very good, professional looking diagrams indeed.

If you're looking for outlining a large org chart (or any other such
hierarchy) quickly and dirtily, the freemind mind mapping software might be
helpful too.

cheers,

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS for Organization chart

[Arun Khan]

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:40 PM, freeos  wrote:
>
>    Any idea about free software for organization chart which
> includes templates?

Install "dia"  It has templates for a host of other things besides org charts.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS for Organization chart

[steve]

On 11/23/2011 04:34 PM, Manokaran K wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Version Control 
> Buddywrote:
>
>>  >Is there any FOSS to prepare organization chart? I checked many
>>  >  softwares. But all are having 30 days trial.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  Wouldn't libreoffice - draw suite your need ?
>>
>>
> Or a mindmapping tool? Though am not sure mindmapping tools allow
> 'network/graph' models!!
>

Or use graphviz (or more specifically dotty):

http://www.graphviz.org/Documentation.php

Example:
http://hoagland.org/Dot.html
http://linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/05/06/graphviz_dot.html?page=2

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS for Organization chart

[Manokaran K]

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Version Control Buddy wrote:

> >   Is there any FOSS to prepare organization chart? I checked many
> > softwares. But all are having 30 days trial.
> >
> >
> Wouldn't libreoffice - draw suite your need ?
>
>
Or a mindmapping tool? Though am not sure mindmapping tools allow
'network/graph' models!!

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS for Organization chart

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>   Is there any FOSS to prepare organization chart? I checked many
> softwares. But all are having 30 days trial.
>
>
Wouldn't libreoffice - draw suite your need ?
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS for Organization chart

[JAGANADH G]

  Is there any FOSS to prepare organization chart? I checked many

> softwares. But all are having 30 days trial.
>
>

I think Gramps will be useful. Check it out from http://gramps-project.org/

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS for Organization chart

[0]

>
> Is there any FOSS to prepare organization chart? I checked many
> softwares. But all are having 30 days trial.
>

Can you specify the name of the softwares, that you checked, which have 
30 days trial ? It will help in understanding your requirement better.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS for Organization chart

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:19 PM, freeos  wrote:

>   Is there any FOSS to prepare organization chart? I checked many
> softwares. But all are having 30 days trial.

Isn't any svg editor good enough ?


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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in C. Abdul Hakeem College of Engineering & Technology, Vellore Dt.

[Raman.P]

--- On Mon, 15/8/11, Selvakumar Rajeswaran  wrote:

> From: Selvakumar Rajeswaran 
> Subject: Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in C. Abdul Hakeem College of Engineering 
> & Technology, Vellore Dt.
> To: "ILUG-C" 
> Date: Monday, 15 August, 2011, 8:09 PM
> Hi Mr.Baskar,
> 
> Can you please share the correct URL for your company
> website.
> When I tried so many times https://www.linuxpert.in/ I got only "bad request"
> error message.
> 
> How Can I learn more about your company & reach you.
> 
> It would be nice if you could share your correct phone
> number.
> 
> Thanks,
> Selva.


Please keep these kind of mails offlist. ILUGC is not concerned with this.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in C. Abdul Hakeem College of Engineering & Technology, Vellore Dt.

[Selvakumar Rajeswaran]

Hi Mr.Baskar,

Can you please share the correct URL for your company website.
When I tried so many times https://www.linuxpert.in/ I got only "bad request" 
error message.

How Can I learn more about your company & reach you.

It would be nice if you could share your correct phone number.

Thanks,
Selva.



- Original Message -
From: Baskar Selvaraj 
To: ILUG-C 
Cc: fosslab 
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 6:29 PM
Subject: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in C. Abdul Hakeem College of Engineering & 
Technology, Vellore Dt.

Dear all,

Yesterday we have setup a 30 seat FOSS Lab in C. Abdul Hakeem College of
Engineering and Technology (http://www.cahcet.in),
Melvisharam, Vellore Dt. for the Dept. of CSE.

Contact - Mr. Lokesh / Dept. of CSE

Thanks to our ILUG-C member / volunteer Mr. Jai Sathish kumar Ashok for his
valuable support in setting up the lab.

Regards

S. Baskar
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Guest Lecture Conducted & outcome!

[sivakumar bharadhwaj]

sir,

will do.

(still slightly confused on this 'top posting'.

will google once more, and keep within the guidelines of the forum.

sorry.

with warm regards
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Guest Lecture Conducted & outcome!

[kenneth gonsalves]

On Fri, 2011-08-05 at 07:00 +0530, sivakumar bharadhwaj wrote:
> Dear Mr. Benedict,

kindly avoid top posting.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Guest Lecture Conducted & outcome!

[sivakumar bharadhwaj]

Dear Mr. Benedict,

first of all - hearty wishes for a good job done.  keep it up.

i could feel the worth of your presentation - how good it would have
been, even without coming there, just by reading your post.

Post is very clear, using simple words, straight, and also breaking
the points into seperate paras, which makes it easy for understanding.

Why I mention this   because I feel, though there are some really
really very good people who have excellent knowledge, sometimes they
dont take this extra time (just few seconds extra) to reply or even
post properly for anyone to understand clearly.

thanks for the work at T. Nagar school, and also for writing a post -
clearly. I appreciate both.

with warm regards
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Guest Lecture Conducted & outcome!

[Vignesh Nandha Kumar]

Hi,

Hats off to the great work! :) Keep going, All the best.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, Kanchipuram Dt.

[Akilan R]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Gopi M  wrote:

> Please send your full detail.. I couldn't receive your full detail in your
> mail.
>
>
> 
> From: Mohan L 
> To: ILUG-C 
>

Do not top post.  Also make sure you are replying to the proper thread /
person you intended to.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, Kanchipuram Dt.

[Gopi M]

Please send your full detail.. I couldn't receive your full detail in your 
mail.



From: Mohan L <l.mohan...@gmail.com>
To: ILUG-C <ilugc@ae.iitm.ac.in>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, 
Kanchipuram Dt.

>
> 3. Almost many engineering colleges have temporarily stopped their purchase
> of Proprietary software recommended by University and started evaluating
> FOSS alternatives.
>
> 5.  I can confidently say that the proprietary software domination in our
> engineering education is seeing its end (especially in Tamilnadu).
>

That is why M$ started this kind of MoU :

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/Microsoft-Anna-University-sign-MoU/articleshow/9331604.cms

Thanks & Rg
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Adhiparasakthi Engineering College, Melmaruvathur, Kanchipuram Dt.

[Gopi M]

Thanks for your information. i'll participate it on tomorrow 



From: Baskar Selvaraj 
To: ILUG-C 
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 11:19 AM
Subject: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Adhiparasakthi Engineering College, 
Melmaruvathur, Kanchipuram Dt.

Dear all,

Yesterday we have setup a 28 seat FOSS Lab in Adhiparasakthi Engineering
College
(http://adhiparasakthi.in), Melmaruvathur, Kanchipuram Dt. for the Dept. of
CSE.

Contact - Prof. Mariappan / HOD-CSE

Regards

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, Kanchipuram Dt.

[Arun Khan]

Hi Baskar,

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Baskar Selvaraj  wrote:

> As I found my FOSS lab setup (note, the context is not about our FOSS lab
> server but the FOSS labs we are establishing in Engg. colleges) announcement
> seems to create noise for few people in the list, I have decided to stop by
> postings here and continue to post them in my fosslab list.

Please don't stop the announcements.  I admire your grit and
determination in executing such setups.

> Some stats about the FOSS lab setups we have done so far:

. snip .

Now this stuff was extremely useful.  A summary of the setups with the
kind of numbers that you have provided gives a very good perspective
of the impact of your work.

> Thanks for everyone who supported / supporting me all the time.

Keep up the good work my friend and happy posting :)

Best,
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, Kanchipuram Dt.

[ThiaguWinID]

Kindly continue to post your success stories.
It helps us to know about the near by colleges with FOSS labs and we can
approach them for utilizing the lab for a seminor

Thiagu


-Original Message-
From: ilugc-boun...@ae.iitm.ac.in [mailto:ilugc-boun...@ae.iitm.ac.in] On
Behalf Of Baskar Selvaraj
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 12:24 PM
To: ILUG-C
Subject: Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering
College, Kanchipuram Dt.

Dear all,

I appreciate and my best wishes for the support of rasigar mannaram.

> Every man entitles to have his own fancies.
> Request to leave (atleast some) room in this mailing list  for cynics of
> the
> foss lab server (in the context of foss lab server in engg college).
>
>
As I found my FOSS lab setup (note, the context is not about our FOSS lab
server but the FOSS labs we are establishing in Engg. colleges) announcement
seems to create noise for few people in the list, I have decided to stop by
postings here and continue to post them in my fosslab list.

Some stats about the FOSS lab setups we have done so far:

1. Starting from April 21 '2011 to July 22' 2011 we have setup FOSS labs in
82 engineering colleges (and about to reach 130+ before August)

2. About 10,000+ students getting benefited by this effort. (almost many
students have done compilation of Linux kernel from source and have
successfully booted from them)

3. Almost many engineering colleges have temporarily stopped their purchase
of Proprietary software recommended by University and started evaluating
FOSS alternatives.

4. From the next academic year, many engineering colleges would start
teaching FOSS right from the first year (OpenOffice / GCC / Shell
Programminig and no more Turbo C / M$ Office).

5.  I can confidently say that the proprietary software domination in our
engineering education is seeing its end (especially in Tamilnadu).

Thanks for everyone who supported / supporting me all the time.

Regards

S. Baskar
CEO/LinuXpert Systems.
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, Kanchipuram Dt.

[Vamsee Kanakala]

On Saturday 23 July 2011 12:24 PM, Baskar Selvaraj wrote:
>
> As I found my FOSS lab setup (note, the context is not about our FOSS lab
> server but the FOSS labs we are establishing in Engg. colleges) announcement
> seems to create noise for few people in the list, I have decided to stop by
> postings here and continue to post them in my fosslab list.

Baskar, as I seem to have started this, let me clarify: I'm in no way 
opposed to your posting the stats here. Usually I read the announcements 
and think "oh, cool" and delete it. I just thought it is a lot better to 
collate the stats and give a list of the colleges/places every week or 
so. That way, the numbers will be clearer to everybody and the impact 
will be more quantifiable. Just a suggestion.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, Kanchipuram Dt.

[Rajagopal Swaminathan]

Greeetings,

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Baskar Selvaraj  wrote:
> As I found my FOSS lab setup (note, the context is not about our FOSS lab
> server but the FOSS labs we are establishing in Engg. colleges) announcement
> seems to create noise for few people in the list, I have decided to stop by
> postings here and continue to post them in my fosslab list.

Please don't stop posting such news here.

It will help us some of us encourage us to slowly soften the rigidity
of the people who matter.


Remember numbers matter.

This will also help build up momentum to start the minor waves and
major FOSS tidal waves.

Please remember this list is also archived in gmane.org too which has
a much wider audience.

Of course, Proprietary software will be there.

I repeat my request please post your success stories here.

Ignore the usual 20% naysayers. They are required for us to do more.
After all what is the of say, a film critic? making films?

With best wishes and warm regards.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, Kanchipuram Dt.

[Mohan L]

>
> 3. Almost many engineering colleges have temporarily stopped their purchase
> of Proprietary software recommended by University and started evaluating
> FOSS alternatives.
>
> 5.  I can confidently say that the proprietary software domination in our
> engineering education is seeing its end (especially in Tamilnadu).
>

That is why M$ started this kind of MoU :

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/Microsoft-Anna-University-sign-MoU/articleshow/9331604.cms

Thanks & Rg
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, Kanchipuram Dt.

[Baskar Selvaraj]

Dear all,

I appreciate and my best wishes for the support of rasigar mannaram.

> Every man entitles to have his own fancies.
> Request to leave (atleast some) room in this mailing list  for cynics of
> the
> foss lab server (in the context of foss lab server in engg college).
>
>
As I found my FOSS lab setup (note, the context is not about our FOSS lab
server but the FOSS labs we are establishing in Engg. colleges) announcement
seems to create noise for few people in the list, I have decided to stop by
postings here and continue to post them in my fosslab list.

Some stats about the FOSS lab setups we have done so far:

1. Starting from April 21 '2011 to July 22' 2011 we have setup FOSS labs in
82 engineering colleges (and about to reach 130+ before August)

2. About 10,000+ students getting benefited by this effort. (almost many
students have done compilation of Linux kernel from source and have
successfully booted from them)

3. Almost many engineering colleges have temporarily stopped their purchase
of Proprietary software recommended by University and started evaluating
FOSS alternatives.

4. From the next academic year, many engineering colleges would start
teaching FOSS right from the first year (OpenOffice / GCC / Shell
Programminig and no more Turbo C / M$ Office).

5.  I can confidently say that the proprietary software domination in our
engineering education is seeing its end (especially in Tamilnadu).

Thanks for everyone who supported / supporting me all the time.

Regards

S. Baskar
CEO/LinuXpert Systems.
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, Kanchipuram Dt.

[Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன்]

Hi,

no problem - every one in this list has the fundamental right to express
> wrong views.
>
> Nice one :), appreciate your sense of humour.

regards,
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, Kanchipuram Dt.

[kenneth gonsalves]

On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 16:45 +0530, Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன் wrote:
> > looking forward to seeing your forthcoming announcements of all the
> > > installations you have done using the
> > > 'correct' way - till then I am not leaving Basker rasigar manram.
> >
> > I appreciate and best wishes for the support of rasigar mannaram.
> Every man entitles to have his own fancies.
> Request to leave (atleast some) room in this mailing list  for cynics
> of
> this foss lab server. 

no problem - every one in this list has the fundamental right to express
wrong views.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, Kanchipuram Dt.

[Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன்]

Hi

I appreciate and my best wishes for the support of rasigar mannaram.
Every man entitles to have his own fancies.
Request to leave (atleast some) room in this mailing list  for cynics of the
foss lab server (in the context of foss lab server in engg college).

regards,
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, Kanchipuram Dt.

[Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன்]

Hi,

> looking forward to seeing your forthcoming announcements of all the
> > installations you have done using the
> > 'correct' way - till then I am not leaving Basker rasigar manram.
>
> I appreciate and best wishes for the support of rasigar mannaram.
Every man entitles to have his own fancies.
Request to leave (atleast some) room in this mailing list  for cynics of
this foss lab server.

regards,
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, Kanchipuram Dt.

[Asokan Pichai]

On 22 July 2011 12:29, kenneth gonsalves  wrote:

> On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 11:35 +0530, Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன் wrote:
> > > > > them to be separate announcements.
> > >
> >
> >
> > IMO, foss lab server at engineering college level is not  a right
> > tool,
> > I believe teaching students on the installation process gives greater
> > understanding on various aspects of the trade.
>
> looking forward to seeing your forthcoming announcements of all the
> installations you have done using the
> 'correct' way - till then I am not leaving Basker rasigar manram.


+1
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, Kanchipuram Dt.

[Akilan R]

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Shakthi Kannan wrote:

> It depends on where you want to draw the level of abstraction, who the
> intended audience are, and what you want to achieve from your
> presentation.
>

That's what I implied. So saying somebody is not doing enough to post on
this list about it is not good. They are doing what they think is best for
their goals & intended audience. Others are also welcome to post their
efforts at implementing their idea of how to teach FOSS. :-) I will be happy
to read about it and encourage them too.


>
> I have actually found people who understand hardware to write better C
> programs than others. But, that has just been my experience.
>

Agreed. My experience too.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, Kanchipuram Dt.

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Akilan R  wrote:
| First step is let them use few good tools (preferably GUI) and
| let them know that FOSS can produce better tools than proprietary ones, then
| let them know how FOSS works(philosophies) and then teach them command line
| tools and then go into hard part of they themselves installing and
| troubleshooting stuff.
\--

Different people have different styles of presentation. If the above
approach works for you, well and good.

---
| What you are suggesting is I need to first learn how to assemble a computer
| before I can start using it.
\--

It is not a question of what is learnt first. But, these are actually
essential things to know for budding computer "engineers".

---
| (Why not start with micro-electronics & chips?
| even better! ;-)
\--

It depends on where you want to draw the level of abstraction, who the
intended audience are, and what you want to achieve from your
presentation.

I have actually found people who understand hardware to write better C
programs than others. But, that has just been my experience.

SK

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, Kanchipuram Dt.

[Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன்]

Hi,

>>What you are suggesting is I need to first learn how to assemble a
computer
before I can start using it.

Is that what i said, I could not find in any part of the text.Please do not
put words in my mouth.


 >>(Why not start with micro-electronics & chips?
even better! ;-)

Good suggestion, but i worked in a team that went from linux basics to
micro-electronics
Please read the comments for that expo :
http://www.flickr.com/photos/57678209@N00/3925208250/

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, Kanchipuram Dt.

[Akilan R]

2011/7/22 Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன் 

> In my experience with students, teaching installation is the first step of
> exploring foss.
>

I disagree. First step is let them use few good tools (preferably GUI) and
let them know that FOSS can produce better tools than proprietary ones, then
let them know how FOSS works(philosophies) and then teach them command line
tools and then go into hard part of they themselves installing and
troubleshooting stuff.

What you are suggesting is I need to first learn how to assemble a computer
before I can start using it. (Why not start with micro-electronics & chips?
even better! ;-)

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, Kanchipuram Dt.

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 11:35 +0530, Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன் wrote:
| IMO, foss lab server at engineering college level is not  a right
| tool,
| I believe teaching students on the installation process gives greater
| understanding on various aspects of the trade.
\--

They are two different things, and you shouldn't confuse between the two.

I agree that when students learn to install things (on their own) they
learn it better. What Baskar has been doing caters to a different need
and requirement.

SK

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, Kanchipuram Dt.

[kenneth gonsalves]

On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 11:35 +0530, Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன் wrote:
> > > > them to be separate announcements.
> >
> 
> 
> IMO, foss lab server at engineering college level is not  a right
> tool,
> I believe teaching students on the installation process gives greater
> understanding on various aspects of the trade. 

looking forward to seeing your forthcoming announcements of all the 
installations you have done using the 
'correct' way - till then I am not leaving Basker rasigar manram.


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