Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010

[Gorka L Martinez Mezo]

While the computers are usually "closed" by the IT department, Firefox 
reigns in my area. Unfortunately, hospital specific software (laboratory 
results and Radiology apps) only work on IE, so to use these we have to 
switch to IE.


I have complained often... to no avail.

Gorka
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From: "Bill Chapman" 

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Subject: Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010



Thanks for the important info, Gorka. Many institutions are like your


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Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010

[Bill Chapman]

Thanks for the important info, Gorka. Many institutions are like your 
hospital I'm certain. The problem is that the older the browser, the 
less secure... those ie versions are full of holes, and on top of that 
eventually those will 'break' as the web pushes tech ever more 
forward... then people will have to upgrade or be left out. But I don't 
blame companies for not upgrading every time the latest & greatest comes 
out; after all it's really expensive, especially in man hours, when a 
lot of people have to get used to a new 'environment'.  You might want 
to mention the Firefox and Opera browsers to somebody there who has some 
clout... they work great on Windows as well as Mac, and they certainly 
must be more secure than anything MS is currently throwing at Windows 
users. Actually, Firefox has been cannibalizing IE market share, at an 
ever -increasing rate of speed, over the past few months from what I 
understand.


Gorka L Martinez Mezo wrote:
As a web site designer I'm still throwing condcoms at 1E6/7. The 
latest stats (Jan2010) show that IE6 still has 20.07% market share 
(IE7 has 17.1%, and IE8 has 22.31%).


You may feel 'free at last', but I saw an article recently where MS 
announced they would be supporting IE6 until 2014: 
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-to-continue-ie6-support-until-2014/ 



I would be foolhardy to ignore IE6 at this point, as much as I would 
like to...


In my hospital until last year most computers (and we have many!) were 
using IE 6. Now many have been upgraded to IE7, but older models are 
still running with IE6. All computers use Windows XP Professional and 
there are no plans to move to Windows 7 in a near future. There a few 
older machines with Win 2000 or even Win 98, but disappearing fast.


Gorka from Spain


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Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010

[Rick King]

I think you are dead on about creating a fresh, new browser, but why
stop there?  If you got older equipment, why not go for the gusto and
do something totally insane and come up with an entire OS with an
integrated browser that is secure and modern?  I know that sounds a
bit too much like Billy Bob, but I was thinking open source.  Most of
the linux distros seem to have too much crap in them and run slower
than a democrat filibustering a tax reform bill.and that is mighty
slooow.  I certainly don't have the technical capability to even
begin a task like that but I bet you could do it.  I rather envision
something modular and simplistic and yet with a simple, clean
interface.  This wouldn't be a good choice for a power user that wants
to test a ton of software or introduce a lot of extra stuff.  This is
for Joe User or Joe Student that just needs to check email, browse the
web, listen to audio, watch videos and create spreadsheets, documents,
presentations and flyers.  You make it do that, and make it dirt cheap
or free and you got a winner.  I do tech support for a living.  Trust
me, most of these people that call in all day long day after day don't
want or NEED anything with a lot of buttons and controls.  LOL

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Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010

[Bill Chapman]

Yeah, Firefox for one is climbing rapidly re market share on pcs... and 
my sites designed (Dreamweaver CS4; I'm not a programmer per se) on mac 
look the same on winxp in Safari, Firefox, etc. And from what I've seen 
re IE8 screenshots of my pages (I tried using IE8 on my G4 Powerbook 
running Leopard and VPC 7, but could only bring up blank pages although 
it actually loaded sites) at least the layouts are identical, and fonts 
are better rendered than in 6 and 7.


I just feel better including IE6/7 at this time.



Bruce Johnson wrote:


On Feb 3, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:

As a web site designer I'm still throwing condcoms at 1E6/7. The 
latest stats (Jan2010) show that IE6 still has 20.07% market share 
(IE7 has 17.1%, and IE8 has 22.31%).


It's plummeting fast.



You may feel 'free at last', but I saw an article recently where MS 
announced they would be supporting IE6 until 2014: 
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-to-continue-ie6-support-until-2014/ 





I wonder whether that policy will change now, after the Great Chinese 
Hole was found.


I would be foolhardy to ignore IE6 at this point, as much as I would 
like to...


It depends. If you have to be open to all comers, then yeah, you're 
stuck; after all, you were just able to give up the IE4 stuff what, 
last week? 8-P


For sites where you can reasonably demand that the users change, it's 
becoming very easy to drop it (and all you have to to is point to the 
recent googlehacking to get bosses to sign on!).


What I'm tired of is websites still demanding that ONLY IE is allowed, 
particularly public-facing ones...like the AZ Board of Medicine. 
 Go to their Physician Search page to see HTML 
atrocity.


I've contacted them and their official response to Mac users is 
essentially 'GFY, got to the library and use a "real" computer'




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Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010

[Gorka L Martinez Mezo]

As a web site designer I'm still throwing condcoms at 1E6/7. The latest 
stats (Jan2010) show that IE6 still has 20.07% market share (IE7 has 
17.1%, and IE8 has 22.31%).


You may feel 'free at last', but I saw an article recently where MS 
announced they would be supporting IE6 until 2014: 
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-to-continue-ie6-support-until-2014/


I would be foolhardy to ignore IE6 at this point, as much as I would like 
to...


In my hospital until last year most computers (and we have many!) were using 
IE 6. Now many have been upgraded to IE7, but older models are still running 
with IE6. All computers use Windows XP Professional and there are no plans 
to move to Windows 7 in a near future. There a few older machines with Win 
2000 or even Win 98, but disappearing fast.


Gorka from Spain 


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Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010

[Malcolm O'Brien]

Well then they will loose many users, won't they?


Not a matter of the slightest concern to them, I assure you. When the 
Internet wasn't public and Compuserve was the biggest service at 7 
million, all of us sysops told them, "If you do these things, 
subscribers will leave in droves." They did them. EVERYBODY left. How 
many people do you know on Compuserve today? I stopped being able to 
connect to it while still a sysop!


But they got exactly what they were looking for, I'm sure.


they are effectively closing the window  to the
Internet to low end users


Nothing of the sort!


I have looked
without success for an older version of Safari for my 12“ , 800 Mhz
iBook and cannot find it.


I did the same for my iMac. The only way I got it was by getting Leopard 
onto my iMac (which doesn't meet the stated requirements for Leopard).



who says there is freedom of information?


Not a blessed soul.


is this a concerted strategy
from business?


Of course!
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