Re: iMac DV SE - Green Blink after CUDA Reset
On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:47 AM, Caleb S. Cupples wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I've got an iMac DV SE that I revived, and it worked well for two >> weeks or so, but after bringing it with me across the state, I plugged >> it in and got a chime and then a pop. Now, the only sign that >> something is going on inside is that when I hit the CUDA reset, and >> then apply power, the green light on the front blinks briefly, but the >> machine doesn't respond to the power button. >> >> I suspect it's the power supply, since it's acting very similar to my >> 1.6 GHz G5, before I replaced the power supply on it. So, am I on the >> right track? >> >> Thanks, >> Caleb > > Sounds like something on the PAV board blew, i know the tray load iMacs will > not start up if the PAV board doesn't pass the boot diagnostics... I agree. If the iMac had been making occasional snapping or crackling noises, accompanied by screen flashes, then it most likely was the flyback transformer giving up the ghost in one last giant short-out. Of course, it also could be something on the logic board or daughtercard. I just brought back to life a trayloader that had two problems: a dead flyback transformer *and* a daughtercard that had shorted itself out due to corrosion of solder joints toward the outside of the card caused by sitting too long in unheated storage in a rainy climate. Who knows, one might have led to the other or vice versa. YMMV. Jim Scott -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: iMac DV SE - Green Blink after CUDA Reset
On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:47 AM, Caleb S. Cupples wrote: Hey all, I've got an iMac DV SE that I revived, and it worked well for two weeks or so, but after bringing it with me across the state, I plugged it in and got a chime and then a pop. Now, the only sign that something is going on inside is that when I hit the CUDA reset, and then apply power, the green light on the front blinks briefly, but the machine doesn't respond to the power button. I suspect it's the power supply, since it's acting very similar to my 1.6 GHz G5, before I replaced the power supply on it. So, am I on the right track? Thanks, Caleb Sounds like something on the PAV board blew, i know the tray load iMacs will not start up if the PAV board doesn't pass the boot diagnostics... -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Apple paying refund on broken 27-inch iMacs
Everyone that has one of the 27 inch iMacs should be interested in this information. http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-390632.html?tag=nl.e539 Cheers Harry San Jose, Ca -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
Bruce Johnson wrote: If I go to their main download page I can get version 3.1.1 of OO for Intel, AND 3.0 for PPC, IN Macedonian, or two different versions of 3.1 in Serbian, but the English version for PPC is still the antiquated 2.4 which is an X-windows program, and doesn't even open the latest files. Why? Allegedly because they haven't had enough PPC users sign up to do their exhaustive testing to release the PPC version from Release Candidate status, EVEN THOUGH the code for the PPC and Intel versions ARE IDENTICAL...it's a simple compiler switch; their rules for the main download page state that only official releases are allowed there. So to get the 3.1.1 version of US English OO for PPC you have to go spelunking thorough their web site until you find it. I've been running OpenOffice 3.0.1 on my iMac G5 under Mac OS 10.4.11 for a long time. I've just upgraded to Mac OS 10.5.8 and Open Office 3.0.1.still works. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney "Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind." -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
I'd have to go spelunkling in the OO site to check but I expect that it could be because official government agencies and such have adopted OO. I know there are state governments in Germany that have mandated OSS like Linux and OO for their internal use. The same in Spain. A regional government not far from where I live mandated a migration to open source software a few years ago, saving millions on software licenses. Gorka from Spain -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
Such as computers that are the front end for instruments. The manufacturer ships it with some version of the OS and then for years never updates it. So when the computer front end dies you're stuck either finding an aged replacement for it buying a whole new system, even though the instrument itself is fine. Our ICU management software until three/four years ago ran on 486s. You can imagine the problems IT guys had to keep enough spare parts around! They had a bunch of old computers scavenged from everysource to provide spares. The system took some 15 years to run on a modern box. :-) Gorka from Spain -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
On 2/5/10 9:48 AM, Dan wrote: At 9:14 AM -0800 2/5/2010, Clark Martin wrote: What we need is to find out why so much office work is being done in Macedonian and Serbian on Macs. Are they busy planning to take over the world or something. Outsourcing. If it was I don't think it would be in Macedonian or Serbian. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: iMac DV SE - Green Blink after CUDA Reset
On 2/5/10 5:47 AM, Caleb S. Cupples wrote: Hey all, I've got an iMac DV SE that I revived, and it worked well for two weeks or so, but after bringing it with me across the state, I plugged it in and got a chime and then a pop. Now, the only sign that something is going on inside is that when I hit the CUDA reset, and then apply power, the green light on the front blinks briefly, but the machine doesn't respond to the power button. I suspect it's the power supply, since it's acting very similar to my 1.6 GHz G5, before I replaced the power supply on it. So, am I on the right track? Probably. Check the battery though. Or just remove it. I did encounter one case where a low but not dead PRAM battery resulted in the computer not starting. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
On 2/5/10 8:50 AM, SteveCraft wrote: There's also something to be said for personnel knowing a "mature" system for security. I worked for Sungard Availability Services where certain systems/etc have to have 99.999% uptime. So in 2007 they had WinXP (from 2002) systems with IE 6 all patched up with other layered security parts throughout the OSI stack because their XP config had been tested/validated for several years. I'd bet money they won't go to Vista or Windows 7 until 2012 at least, if that. It took them years to go from NT4 to XP... The problem with the "It works, why change it." system is that change isn't always predictable. It's predictable there will be change (although, not by everyone) but when is the big question. A place I worked at had three different computer based systems all using IBM PS/2 systems. We'd been using the same model for several years. When finally we found out they were going away we (I) started shopping for a new computer. I was only doing it for one of the products but the others said "we'll use what you pick". So I went and found something and it worked well. Well almost but that's another story. But one of the other products that controlled some machinery used lots of software timing loops to control things. Everyone admitted that was bad but no one would make the call to fix it. Their solution was to replace all the PS/2 systems in the field with the new computer and change all the timing loops accordingly. I did point out that next year we might / should plan on a different computer. It would certainly be faster and would break those software timing loops again. What where they going to do, replace all the computers in the field AGAIN. I don't know, I was gone by then. I'm sure they made it work and I'm sure they did just the minimum to do so. If there is anything the computer industry is good at, it's change. Yet so many people get caught by surprise when it happens... again... and again. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
At 9:14 AM -0800 2/5/2010, Clark Martin wrote: On 2/5/10 8:35 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Another great example that's more germane to LEM groups is Sun's blindingly rigid and stupid rules about full release versions of Open Office. If I go to their main download page I can get version 3.1.1 of OO for Intel, AND 3.0 for PPC, IN Macedonian, or two different versions of 3.1 in Serbian, but the English version for PPC is still the antiquated 2.4 which is an X-windows program, and doesn't even open the latest files. What we need is to find out why so much office work is being done in Macedonian and Serbian on Macs. Are they busy planning to take over the world or something. Outsourcing. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
On 2/5/10 9:22 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Clark Martin wrote: It's like the railroads still having firemen on diesel engines 20 years after steamers disappeared. I expect this to be more for public safety purposes: making sure the engineer stays awake or that someone's there to manage if the engineer croaks...a 2-mile long runaway freight train going 70 MPH is a scary frikkin' thing. It was a union thing. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
I've heard mention of IE7 being more of a 'shuffle' forward (from IE6) rather than a 'step'... although you'd think that at least security would be a little better. IE8 was really much faster, at least to install, on my VPC/WinXP; I was disappointed at having to dump it (due to pages rendering blank). My issue re IE6/7 involves lack of support for transparent PNGs. I don't know if IE8 has support yet. And unfortunately, IE still has 62% of the market: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/02/ie8-chrome-have-most-momentum-in-browser-wars.ars?utm_source=Ars+Technica+Newsletter&utm_campaign=8453abf144-February_5_2010_Newsletter&utm_medium=email Gorka L Martinez Mezo wrote: While the computers are usually "closed" by the IT department, Firefox reigns in my area. Unfortunately, hospital specific software (laboratory results and Radiology apps) only work on IE, so to use these we have to switch to IE. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
RE: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
There's also something to be said for personnel knowing a "mature" system for security. I worked for Sungard Availability Services where certain systems/etc have to have 99.999% uptime. So in 2007 they had WinXP (from 2002) systems with IE 6 all patched up with other layered security parts throughout the OSI stack because their XP config had been tested/validated for several years. I'd bet money they won't go to Vista or Windows 7 until 2012 at least, if that. It took them years to go from NT4 to XP... OSI mnemonic for younger folks: "All People Seem to Need Data Processing" Application Presentation Session Transport Network Data-link Physical So there's another reason IE 6 isn't going anywhere for a while. But I don't think Google is really concerned with the market that Sungard serves. -Original Message- From: imaclist@googlegroups.com [mailto:imacl...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:04 AM [snip] Being behind the times is par for a lot of large businesses. This occurs when IT groups intentionally set things up so as to maintain their job security. It's bad planning and bad oversight (management). OTGH, it's a quite necessary, as the hacker underworld needs it to survive. [snip] -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
iMac DV SE - Green Blink after CUDA Reset
Hey all, I've got an iMac DV SE that I revived, and it worked well for two weeks or so, but after bringing it with me across the state, I plugged it in and got a chime and then a pop. Now, the only sign that something is going on inside is that when I hit the CUDA reset, and then apply power, the green light on the front blinks briefly, but the machine doesn't respond to the power button. I suspect it's the power supply, since it's acting very similar to my 1.6 GHz G5, before I replaced the power supply on it. So, am I on the right track? Thanks, Caleb -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Clark Martin wrote: It's like the railroads still having firemen on diesel engines 20 years after steamers disappeared. I expect this to be more for public safety purposes: making sure the engineer stays awake or that someone's there to manage if the engineer croaks...a 2-mile long runaway freight train going 70 MPH is a scary frikkin' thing. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Clark Martin wrote: If I go to their main download page I can get version 3.1.1 of OO for Intel, AND 3.0 for PPC, IN Macedonian, or two different versions of 3.1 in Serbian, but the English version for PPC is still the antiquated 2.4 which is an X-windows program, and doesn't even open the latest files. What we need is to find out why so much office work is being done in Macedonian and Serbian on Macs. Are they busy planning to take over the world or something. I'd have to go spelunkling in the OO site to check but I expect that it could be because official government agencies and such have adopted OO. I know there are state governments in Germany that have mandated OSS like Linux and OO for their internal use. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
On 2/5/10 8:04 AM, Dan wrote: Being behind the times is par for a lot of large businesses. This occurs when IT groups intentionally set things up so as to maintain their job security. It's bad planning and bad oversight (management). OTGH, it's a quite necessary, as the hacker underworld needs it to survive. I keep wondering just how "underworld" it is. I use to think of it as a joke that computer security companies would have departments dedicated to cracking things to sow FUD. Now, I think less and less that it's a joke. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
On 2/5/10 8:35 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Another great example that's more germane to LEM groups is Sun's blindingly rigid and stupid rules about full release versions of Open Office. If I go to their main download page I can get version 3.1.1 of OO for Intel, AND 3.0 for PPC, IN Macedonian, or two different versions of 3.1 in Serbian, but the English version for PPC is still the antiquated 2.4 which is an X-windows program, and doesn't even open the latest files. What we need is to find out why so much office work is being done in Macedonian and Serbian on Macs. Are they busy planning to take over the world or something. Why? Allegedly because they haven't had enough PPC users sign up to do their exhaustive testing to release the PPC version from Release Candidate status, EVEN THOUGH the code for the PPC and Intel versions ARE IDENTICAL...it's a simple compiler switch; their rules for the main download page state that only official releases are allowed there. So to get the 3.1.1 version of US English OO for PPC you have to go spelunking thorough their web site until you find it. I found it with help. It's not just that it's only a compiler switch but the language files should all be the same so as long as English is released and PPC is released English PPC should be released. This is the corporate equivalent of the petty tyrant who installs him/herself as the head of the Homeowners Association, and starts running around with a ruler measuring the height of everyone's grass or the distance from the curb to their trashcans on trash day, just so they can asses fines and feel superior. It's like the railroads still having firemen on diesel engines 20 years after steamers disappeared. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
On 2/5/10 8:47 AM, Dan wrote: At 9:35 AM -0700 2/5/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Dan wrote: I have complained often... to no avail. Being behind the times is par for a lot of large businesses. This occurs when IT groups intentionally set things up so as to maintain their job security. It's bad planning and bad oversight (management). OTGH, it's a quite necessary, as the hacker underworld needs it to survive. So often, even today, management believes everything the IT department says because they are baffled by the BS. If any other department tried it heads would roll. To an extent, but in many cases it's out of the local IT handssometimes it's ineptitude or extortion on the part of outside vendors. [etc] That would come under the heading of bad oversight (management). All too often it comes down to a lack of choices. Such as computers that are the front end for instruments. The manufacturer ships it with some version of the OS and then for years never updates it. So when the computer front end dies you're stuck either finding an aged replacement for it buying a whole new system, even though the instrument itself is fine. Or some in house database that uses a web browser front end but it only works with ONE version of ONE web browser on ONE platform. In either case your only other choice(s) may be just as bad. Sometimes it's because out outside-imposed rules on the IT people; for instance by UA policy (handed down by the AZ Board of Regents) it is mandatory that any system connected to the UA campus network run an antivirus program. In theory that includes my iPod. In practice that also means my netbook running Linux. Mac OS X IS my antivirus program. At the school I worked at the district IT people mandated that an AV program be running on all computers. And I was ready to install it as soon as a Virus existed. And the whole district is Mac with the exception of a few computers at the district office and the cafeteria checkout system. This was the same district IT department that only knew they had a virus on one of their windows servers after I detected it from the school. It just felt SO good when I stopped banging my head on the wall. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway" -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
At 9:35 AM -0700 2/5/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Dan wrote: I have complained often... to no avail. Being behind the times is par for a lot of large businesses. This occurs when IT groups intentionally set things up so as to maintain their job security. It's bad planning and bad oversight (management). OTGH, it's a quite necessary, as the hacker underworld needs it to survive. To an extent, but in many cases it's out of the local IT handssometimes it's ineptitude or extortion on the part of outside vendors. [etc] That would come under the heading of bad oversight (management). Sometimes it's because out outside-imposed rules on the IT people; for instance by UA policy (handed down by the AZ Board of Regents) it is mandatory that any system connected to the UA campus network run an antivirus program. In theory that includes my iPod. In practice that also means my netbook running Linux. GalDurnediPodViruses! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Dan wrote: I have complained often... to no avail. Being behind the times is par for a lot of large businesses. This occurs when IT groups intentionally set things up so as to maintain their job security. It's bad planning and bad oversight (management). OTGH, it's a quite necessary, as the hacker underworld needs it to survive. To an extent, but in many cases it's out of the local IT handssometimes it's ineptitude or extortion on the part of outside vendors. The scientific instrument industry is rife with that kind of stuff. All of our Win2K systems are still around because the instrument manufacturers haven't updated their software to XP or later; they want us to buy a brand new $120K LC-LC-MS instead. Sometimes it's because out outside-imposed rules on the IT people; for instance by UA policy (handed down by the AZ Board of Regents) it is mandatory that any system connected to the UA campus network run an antivirus program. In theory that includes my iPod. In practice that also means my netbook running Linux. It's as if HR instituted a rule that to qualify for health insurance every employee must undergo BOTH an annual pap smear and prostate exam. Another great example that's more germane to LEM groups is Sun's blindingly rigid and stupid rules about full release versions of Open Office. If I go to their main download page I can get version 3.1.1 of OO for Intel, AND 3.0 for PPC, IN Macedonian, or two different versions of 3.1 in Serbian, but the English version for PPC is still the antiquated 2.4 which is an X-windows program, and doesn't even open the latest files. Why? Allegedly because they haven't had enough PPC users sign up to do their exhaustive testing to release the PPC version from Release Candidate status, EVEN THOUGH the code for the PPC and Intel versions ARE IDENTICAL...it's a simple compiler switch; their rules for the main download page state that only official releases are allowed there. So to get the 3.1.1 version of US English OO for PPC you have to go spelunking thorough their web site until you find it. This is the corporate equivalent of the petty tyrant who installs him/ herself as the head of the Homeowners Association, and starts running around with a ruler measuring the height of everyone's grass or the distance from the curb to their trashcans on trash day, just so they can asses fines and feel superior. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Google dropping support for older browsers in 2010
At 9:58 PM +0100 2/3/2010, Gorka L Martinez Mezo wrote: In my hospital until last year most computers (and we have many!) were using IE 6. Now many have been upgraded to IE7, but older models are still running with IE6. All computers use Windows XP Professional and there are no plans to move to Windows 7 in a near future. There a few older machines with Win 2000 or even Win 98, but disappearing fast. At 7:36 AM +0100 2/5/2010, Gorka L Martinez Mezo wrote: While the computers are usually "closed" by the IT department, Firefox reigns in my area. Unfortunately, hospital specific software (laboratory results and Radiology apps) only work on IE, so to use these we have to switch to IE. I have complained often... to no avail. Being behind the times is par for a lot of large businesses. This occurs when IT groups intentionally set things up so as to maintain their job security. It's bad planning and bad oversight (management). OTGH, it's a quite necessary, as the hacker underworld needs it to survive. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
