Re: Intel macbook ubuntu and windows issues.
But I do think they were too quick to pull the plug on supporting PPC, Tiger, and so forth. Exactly right! I concur. On the Windows side developers are still supporting XP which is about nine years old And what I'm using now. :/ -- Malcolm 800MHz 17" flat panel iMac running Leopard (1GB RAM, 500GB HD) -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: iMac G4 Adding RAM+HDD+SuperDrive... Tips?
On Aug 26, 2010, at 1:01 PM, J. R. Rosen wrote: > As far as the thermal paste, I have heard not to over-do putting it on, but > there needs to be enough the seat the parts together for proper cooling. And > to definitely not block the cooling "shafts" that are in those blocks, or > pads that conduct the cooling. > > The thermal paste I purchased is GELID Solutions Thermal Compound. The > feedback from purchasers was really good, so I chose this as it comes with a > little spatula to spread the compound. > > Any secrets in applying the paste to where it doesn't seep into the cooling > ducts? I haven't opened it up yet, waiting for the parts and the time, so I > don't know how big or small those duct holes are. I guess you could roll-up > a small piece of paper and put it in the hole, then let it expand to size, > then paint the paste around that. I don't know, but am open to your learned > suggestions. Yep, just a little dab of the thermal paste will be all you need. And don't worry about "cooling ducts." There's no such thing where the thermal paste is applied. What you will see when you take the bottom case away from the top (pull it gently toward you and then rotate it down from the "top", and make sure the optical drive door is rotated to the right about 90 degrees first) is that you have to disconnect a bunch of cables and wires in order to separate the bottom part with the logic board, etc. from the top or dome part. Note carefully how all those cables are routed before you start disconnecting them. Be warned that in your model it is difficult to remove the video cable from the logic board. Why? There is a black cap over the actual connector which keeps the connector firmly in place. It is glued to the logic board with sticky tape-type stuff. You have to carefully pry the black cap up and off the board without damaging anything around it before you can disconnect the video cable. My advice would be to disconnect everything *but* that video cable, then put a wadded up towel or something similar under the logic board assembly to take the stress off the video cable. You may have to rotate the dome part to get the right and least stressful position. You'll find that will give you enough space to get to everything, and you'll save yourself a major headache and prevent posssible damage. With the bottom of the computer resting on the towel, look at where the four T-15 bolts come through the bottom case. You will see that the bolts go right through the two pads where old thermal pads/paste/film needs to be removed and replaced. You will not see any "cooling ducts." You will see an enclosed cooling "pipe" leading from the cpu area over to both pads. That pipe is filled with a material that facilitates rapid transfer of heat. So don't worry about using anything more than a small ball of thermal paste on each pad. Spread it thinly until each pad surface is coated. Keep in mind that only a very thin coat is needed to fill the microscopic hills and valleys of the two mating surfaces on each pad. Enjoy! -- Jim -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Intel macbook ubuntu and windows issues.
On Aug 26, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Tina K. wrote: > On the Windows side developers are still supporting XP which is about nine > years old now, but in Apple land four years seems to be the lifespan of an OS. You're comparing Apples and toasters. Apple needs only to support a small population of different hardware, while Microsoft has a very long tail of a wide range of hardware, and worse, a veritable dinosaurian tail of developers, who have managed to find all the parts that XP breaks in 2K, and 7 breaks in XP and they seem to have concentrated all their efforts on making these parts absolutely central to their applications. I deal with this BS all the friggin time. We have lab instruments that cannot be upgraded past NT4, past Win2K or in one case cannot be upgraded to WinXP service pack 3, because Windows changed the firewire driver. Now why an instrument manufacturer found it necessary to screw around with a standard system interface I have no frigging idea. It's a standard system call: "Read the firewire port" Microsoft is a vast lumbering beast with a committee of brains scattered throughout it's body trying to keep up with a nimble, single-minded highly intelligent competitor. The committee of brains may individually be really smart, but it takes a long time to turn the beast anyway. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Intel macbook ubuntu and windows issues.
Yeah, I'd almost buy brand new just to get the box haha On 26/08/10 5:54 PM, Tina K. wrote: Bill Chapman wrote: Okay... I thought you meant that you were screwed at the time you bought it. Re Intel, you can't blame Apple for moving their technology ahead, just as they moved to OSX from previous versions. Personally I'm able to use CS4 suite (except for PPro and Ae) on my PPC macs. I've always been 'behind the curve' due mainly to budget restrictions, so legacy Macs are fine with me, especially since every Mac I purchased was second hand. I don't blame Apple a bit for going to the x86 platform, their hand was forced by a lack of suitable G5s for notebooks. But I do think they were too quick to pull the plug on supporting PPC, Tiger, and so forth. On the Windows side developers are still supporting XP which is about nine years old now, but in Apple land four years seems to be the lifespan of an OS. I have budget restrictions too, I usually purchase 'new' Macs that have just been discontinued or sometimes refurbs. Someday I'd like to buy just one Mac on the day it was released but that day doesn't seem to be on the horizon yet. Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Intel macbook ubuntu and windows issues.
Bruce Johnson wrote: Well it helped the library system turn away from Macs; to this day none of their computer labs have any Macs. And yet most corporations trudge forward with their short term profit oriented, customer unfriendly policies that drive customers away. Apple is probably better in touch with their customers than most but sometimes they too get caught… oh wait I can't use that term, this is a public forum. Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Intel macbook ubuntu and windows issues.
Bill Chapman wrote: Okay... I thought you meant that you were screwed at the time you bought it. Re Intel, you can't blame Apple for moving their technology ahead, just as they moved to OSX from previous versions. Personally I'm able to use CS4 suite (except for PPro and Ae) on my PPC macs. I've always been 'behind the curve' due mainly to budget restrictions, so legacy Macs are fine with me, especially since every Mac I purchased was second hand. I don't blame Apple a bit for going to the x86 platform, their hand was forced by a lack of suitable G5s for notebooks. But I do think they were too quick to pull the plug on supporting PPC, Tiger, and so forth. On the Windows side developers are still supporting XP which is about nine years old now, but in Apple land four years seems to be the lifespan of an OS. I have budget restrictions too, I usually purchase 'new' Macs that have just been discontinued or sometimes refurbs. Someday I'd like to buy just one Mac on the day it was released but that day doesn't seem to be on the horizon yet. Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Intel macbook ubuntu and windows issues.
On Aug 26, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Gary Fortman wrote: >> >> The medical library here bought an entire roomful of IIVx'es. THAT was a >> shafting. >> > > Ouch, that must *still* sting. > > Tina > > > If it still stings, they are keeping their Macs too long. That model is > almost 20 years old. Well it helped the library system turn away from Macs; to this day none of their computer labs have any Macs. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Intel macbook ubuntu and windows issues.
Okay... I thought you meant that you were screwed at the time you bought it. Re Intel, you can't blame Apple for moving their technology ahead, just as they moved to OSX from previous versions. Personally I'm able to use CS4 suite (except for PPro and Ae) on my PPC macs. I've always been 'behind the curve' due mainly to budget restrictions, so legacy Macs are fine with me, especially since every Mac I purchased was second hand. On 26/08/10 3:17 PM, Tina K. wrote: Bill Chapman wrote: Hey, wait a minute... I purchased a second hand G5 Power Mac Dual 2Gb about 5 months ago. The sound is awful tinny, but aside from that it's a whole lot better than my other Macs. How were you shafted? Moi? Well I haven't been counting but let's see: There is Snow Leopard. Logic/Express. Chrome. Soundbooth. CS5. (likely) Firefox 4. (probably) the next version of iLife (the current version requires Intel for some features). And many more titles that I can't think of at the moment as well as even more to come. Apple can't wait to distance itself from the PowerPC architecture and become the "Think Less Differently About Your Desktop And Notebook Computers" company. I would even venture to say that comparing Leopard to Vista is a fair comparison, but I digress. Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: iMac G4 Adding RAM+HDD+SuperDrive... Tips?
J. R. Rosen wrote: As far as the thermal paste, I have heard not to over-do putting it on, but there needs to be enough the seat the parts together for proper cooling. And to definitely not block the cooling "shafts" that are in those blocks, or pads that conduct the cooling. Any secrets in applying the paste to where it doesn't seep into the cooling ducts? I haven't opened it up yet, waiting for the parts and the time, so I don't know how big or small those duct holes are. I guess you could roll-up a small piece of paper and put it in the hole, then let it expand to size, then paint the paste around that. I don't know, but am open to your learned suggestions. *blushes* Thank you J. R. When attaching a heatsink to a CPU most manufacturs recommend using a spot about the size of one HALF of a BB. Pretty small isn't it? IIRC Apple's recommendation is to spread a thin layer on one (upper?) side of the heat conductor. The key is that when you torque down on the hex bolts as Jim described you don't want any of the thermal compound to get squished out so you truly want a very thin layer. If you could get a perfect metal to metal seal with no gaps whatsoever there would be no need for thermal compound, but you can't so the compound serves only to fill the microscopic gaps between the two surfaces. Have fun with your project! Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: iMac G4 Adding RAM+HDD+SuperDrive... Tips?
WOW! Tina and Jim... you are simply amazing! The Optical Drive (ODD), HDD and the RAM were from OWC, so I believe they'll fit. GREAT tip on the Battery, dust-bunnies, and the pillow on the neck! (I need a pillow on my neck too!) I thought about the battery, but got side-tracked, so this got me refocused! I will lift the bottom as suggested as I will be generating more heat with the 7200rpm HDD. Raising it up should allow more air-flow. But aren't the new drives being made now running much cooler than they used to? I thought I recalled somewhere that the new large drives are actually running cooler than the 5400's of long ago. Ah, maybe my mind is trying to let me think the things the way I want them to be... or something like that. As far as the thermal paste, I have heard not to over-do putting it on, but there needs to be enough the seat the parts together for proper cooling. And to definitely not block the cooling "shafts" that are in those blocks, or pads that conduct the cooling. The thermal paste I purchased is GELID Solutions Thermal Compound. The feedback from purchasers was really good, so I chose this as it comes with a little spatula to spread the compound. Any secrets in applying the paste to where it doesn't seep into the cooling ducts? I haven't opened it up yet, waiting for the parts and the time, so I don't know how big or small those duct holes are. I guess you could roll-up a small piece of paper and put it in the hole, then let it expand to size, then paint the paste around that. I don't know, but am open to your learned suggestions. I just want to thank you both for taking the time out of your precious day to really go through everything! I'll say it again... y'all are simply amazing! THANKS - GOD BLESS - HAVE A GREAT DAY!!! On Aug 26, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Jim Scott wrote: On Aug 26, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Tina K. wrote: J. R. Rosen wrote: Got a 20" G4 (USB2) iMac the other day, and am going to put in 2 sticks-O-RAM (1gb + 1gb). So while I was in there, I thought I'd add a 500gb HDD and a 24x DVD RW. That's about as far as you can carry upgrades, as it already has bluetooth and wifi. I have printed the article on Accelerate Your Mac about the do's and don'ts, and I've been following the latest posts about the thermal paste. My question is... as y'all have been actively inside the G4 dome (Jim and Tina), are there any tips, tricks, or other nuances you could throw my way to help me through this endeavor? Any: "if I had only know about that then" kind of things, or is it pretty straight-forward? One think to keep in mind right off the bat is that an ODD much, or possibly any, larger than the OEM unit will not fit into the carrier. I believe it was a Pioneer 106 that Apple put in those machines but I could be mistaken. Also the stock HDD is a 5200 RPM unit so if you install a 7200 RPM drive there will be more heat generated, you will probably want to keep the inlet & outlet clean and hopefully keep it in a cool environment. Dis/reassembly is pretty straight forward. The outer user cover is a no brainer but be careful with the inner factory cover as it houses the MoBo and has several wires and cables attached to it. The first gen G4s had a cable that ran to the ODD/carrier that often broke upon disassembly but Apple corrected that on the USB 2 models. You will want to keep an eye on the Airport antenna wire during dis/reassembly too. Oh, and of course don't ruin all your work with a static jolt! Get all the dust bunnies out while you're in there. Replace the 1/2 AA clock battery with a new one, unless the one in there tests at 3.6 volts or slightly higher. Pay attention to the jumper settings on the optical disk drive (ODD) and hard disk drive (HDD). Set the new ones the same way, but be prepared to open it up again and reset them. I've set "new" ODDs and HDDs the same way as Apple did, only to find that some manufacturers' products don't always behave the same way as original equipment. Be aware that there are two different physical sizes of RAM sticks, with the longer 184-pin PC2700 stick mounted in a logic board slot and the shorty 200-pin PC 2700 SODIMM in the bottom user-accessible slot. If you can't find PC2700, PC3200 also will work. In fact, I've found PC3200 sticks that were installed in G4 Macs by Apple that were advertised as having PC2700 memory. Replace the thermal paste or pads with new top-quality thermal paste before you put it back together. Apple specifies using a T-15 Torx bit on the four case bolts, and that they should be torqued to 17 inch-pounds. I use my automotive tools to do that, but I've also successfully used a T-15 screwdriver and really cranked down on those bolts. Whatever you do, make sure those bolts are so tight that you can't easily loosen them by hand. That should be enough torque to cl
Re: Intel macbook ubuntu and windows issues.
Alexander, You have not been shafted, just misinformed. You cannot install Ubuntu on an external HDD, and to install it on an internal you have to format it in a special way. I am not sure what the process is if you want it to coexist with a Bootcamp Windows installation, but you can search the Ubuntu documentation and/or forums, and find out. Or you can save yourself the aggravation and install Ubuntu and/or Windows virtually using VirtualBox (free), VMWare Fusion, or Parallels --these last two are paid apps. I think there is another virtualization program, but can't remember. Best of luck, Felix On Aug 23, 10:11 am, Alexander Blok wrote: > After trying out the suggestions posted here, I formatted my hd any > way, only to find my time machine back up did not include my material. > (thanks for kinda warning me though, duye to the link with microsoft > tendencies..) > I proceeded to make a partition with bootcamp and installed windows xp. > However, I do not know how to boot from such and bootcamp says that I > need to install extras from the second dvd that came with my mac. > There is nothing there that is that interesting in comparison to ms > software though... > That and after trying out several distros I still cannot get ubuntu or > what kinda distro whatsoever recognise my internal (sata ide) hd or for > that matter my external 1 therabyte one. > I feel shafted... But can someone help so that this feeling lessens? -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Intel macbook ubuntu and windows issues.
Gary Fortman wrote: If it still stings, they are keeping their Macs too long. That model is almost 20 years old. The pain of being stung can last well beyond removal of the stinger. Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Intel macbook ubuntu and windows issues.
Bill Chapman wrote: Hey, wait a minute... I purchased a second hand G5 Power Mac Dual 2Gb about 5 months ago. The sound is awful tinny, but aside from that it's a whole lot better than my other Macs. How were you shafted? Moi? Well I haven't been counting but let's see: There is Snow Leopard. Logic/Express. Chrome. Soundbooth. CS5. (likely) Firefox 4. (probably) the next version of iLife (the current version requires Intel for some features). And many more titles that I can't think of at the moment as well as even more to come. Apple can't wait to distance itself from the PowerPC architecture and become the "Think Less Differently About Your Desktop And Notebook Computers" company. I would even venture to say that comparing Leopard to Vista is a fair comparison, but I digress. Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Intel macbook ubuntu and windows issues.
On Aug 26, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Tina K. wrote: Bruce Johnson wrote: Alexander Blok wrote: >> I feel shafted... > > If you really want to feel shafted, purchase a dual G5 Power Mac right before Apples makes the Intel announcement… > The medical library here bought an entire roomful of IIVx'es. THAT was a shafting. Ouch, that must *still* sting. Tina If it still stings, they are keeping their Macs too long. That model is almost 20 years old. Gary -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Intel macbook ubuntu and windows issues.
Bruce Johnson wrote: Alexander Blok wrote: >> I feel shafted... > > If you really want to feel shafted, purchase a dual G5 Power Mac right before Apples makes the Intel announcement… > The medical library here bought an entire roomful of IIVx'es. THAT was a shafting. Ouch, that must *still* sting. Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: iMac G4 Adding RAM+HDD+SuperDrive... Tips?
On Aug 26, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Tina K. wrote: > > > J. R. Rosen wrote: >> Got a 20" G4 (USB2) iMac the other day, and am going to put in 2 >> sticks-O-RAM (1gb + 1gb). So while I was in there, I thought I'd add a >> 500gb HDD and a 24x DVD RW. That's about as far as you can carry upgrades, >> as it already has bluetooth and wifi. >> >> I have printed the article on Accelerate Your Mac about the do's and don'ts, >> and I've been following the latest posts about the thermal paste. >> >> My question is... as y'all have been actively inside the G4 dome (Jim and >> Tina), are there any tips, tricks, or other nuances you could throw my way >> to help me through this endeavor? Any: "if I had only know about that then" >> kind of things, or is it pretty straight-forward? > > One think to keep in mind right off the bat is that an ODD much, or possibly > any, larger than the OEM unit will not fit into the carrier. I believe it was > a Pioneer 106 that Apple put in those machines but I could be mistaken. Also > the stock HDD is a 5200 RPM unit so if you install a 7200 RPM drive there > will be more heat generated, you will probably want to keep the inlet & > outlet clean and hopefully keep it in a cool environment. > > Dis/reassembly is pretty straight forward. The outer user cover is a no > brainer but be careful with the inner factory cover as it houses the MoBo and > has several wires and cables attached to it. The first gen G4s had a cable > that ran to the ODD/carrier that often broke upon disassembly but Apple > corrected that on the USB 2 models. You will want to keep an eye on the > Airport antenna wire during dis/reassembly too. > > Oh, and of course don't ruin all your work with a static jolt! > Get all the dust bunnies out while you're in there. Replace the 1/2 AA clock battery with a new one, unless the one in there tests at 3.6 volts or slightly higher. Pay attention to the jumper settings on the optical disk drive (ODD) and hard disk drive (HDD). Set the new ones the same way, but be prepared to open it up again and reset them. I've set "new" ODDs and HDDs the same way as Apple did, only to find that some manufacturers' products don't always behave the same way as original equipment. Be aware that there are two different physical sizes of RAM sticks, with the longer 184-pin PC2700 stick mounted in a logic board slot and the shorty 200-pin PC 2700 SODIMM in the bottom user-accessible slot. If you can't find PC2700, PC3200 also will work. In fact, I've found PC3200 sticks that were installed in G4 Macs by Apple that were advertised as having PC2700 memory. Replace the thermal paste or pads with new top-quality thermal paste before you put it back together. Apple specifies using a T-15 Torx bit on the four case bolts, and that they should be torqued to 17 inch-pounds. I use my automotive tools to do that, but I've also successfully used a T-15 screwdriver and really cranked down on those bolts. Whatever you do, make sure those bolts are so tight that you can't easily loosen them by hand. That should be enough torque to clamp the heat sink/pipe pieces together properly. Be careful when torquing, as the six-point openings in those bolt heads are easy to strip out/misshape. I usually put 4 half-inch rubber feet on the bottom of an iMac G4 to raise it above the desktop and get better cooling/air flow. It doesn't take much to block those cooling holes in the base, and this at least gets keyboard and mouse cables out of the equation. Avoid putting too much stress on the neck and LCD. Apple techs use a fancy styrofoam holder, but I found that a firm pillow works just as well. I put the pillow on a table, then lay the back of the LCD and neck on the pillow. That puts the base of the iMac in the appropriate vertical position for disassembly while also preventing rolling movement. Have fun! -- Jim -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Intel macbook ubuntu and windows issues.
Hey, wait a minute... I purchased a second hand G5 Power Mac Dual 2Gb about 5 months ago. The sound is awful tinny, but aside from that it's a whole lot better than my other Macs. How were you shafted? On 26/08/10 2:09 PM, Tina K. wrote: Alexander Blok wrote: I feel shafted... If you really want to feel shafted, purchase a dual G5 Power Mac right before Apples makes the Intel announcement… Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Intel macbook ubuntu and windows issues.
On Aug 26, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Tina K. wrote: > > > Alexander Blok wrote: >> I feel shafted... > > If you really want to feel shafted, purchase a dual G5 Power Mac right before > Apples makes the Intel announcement… > The medical library here bought an entire roomful of IIVx'es. THAT was a shafting. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Intel macbook ubuntu and windows issues.
Alexander Blok wrote: I feel shafted... If you really want to feel shafted, purchase a dual G5 Power Mac right before Apples makes the Intel announcement… Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: iMac G4 Adding RAM+HDD+SuperDrive... Tips?
J. R. Rosen wrote: Got a 20" G4 (USB2) iMac the other day, and am going to put in 2 sticks-O-RAM (1gb + 1gb). So while I was in there, I thought I'd add a 500gb HDD and a 24x DVD RW. That's about as far as you can carry upgrades, as it already has bluetooth and wifi. I have printed the article on Accelerate Your Mac about the do's and don'ts, and I've been following the latest posts about the thermal paste. My question is... as y'all have been actively inside the G4 dome (Jim and Tina), are there any tips, tricks, or other nuances you could throw my way to help me through this endeavor? Any: "if I had only know about that then" kind of things, or is it pretty straight-forward? One think to keep in mind right off the bat is that an ODD much, or possibly any, larger than the OEM unit will not fit into the carrier. I believe it was a Pioneer 106 that Apple put in those machines but I could be mistaken. Also the stock HDD is a 5200 RPM unit so if you install a 7200 RPM drive there will be more heat generated, you will probably want to keep the inlet & outlet clean and hopefully keep it in a cool environment. Dis/reassembly is pretty straight forward. The outer user cover is a no brainer but be careful with the inner factory cover as it houses the MoBo and has several wires and cables attached to it. The first gen G4s had a cable that ran to the ODD/carrier that often broke upon disassembly but Apple corrected that on the USB 2 models. You will want to keep an eye on the Airport antenna wire during dis/reassembly too. Oh, and of course don't ruin all your work with a static jolt! Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Intel macbook ubuntu and windows issues.
On Aug 23, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Alexander Blok wrote: > After trying out the suggestions posted here, I formatted my hd any way, only > to find my time machine back up did not include my material. (thanks for > kinda warning me though, duye to the link with microsoft tendencies..) > I proceeded to make a partition with bootcamp and installed windows xp. > However, I do not know how to boot from such and bootcamp says that I need to > install extras from the second dvd that came with my mac. Yes, the 'Extras' are all the drivers for the systenm and must be installed for booting from boot camp to work. > There is nothing there that is that interesting in comparison to ms software > though... ? > But can someone help so that this feeling lessens? Re-partition your hard drive to a single partition, re-install OS X from scratch. Install VirtualBox, and install Windows and Linux into virtual machines as you wish. Unless you have some absolute need to boot directly into those OS'es, a VM solution is vastly simpler to manage than a multi-boot system. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
iMac G4 Adding RAM+HDD+SuperDrive... Tips?
GOOD AFTERNOON FELLOW LISTERS! Got a 20" G4 (USB2) iMac the other day, and am going to put in 2 sticks-O-RAM (1gb + 1gb). So while I was in there, I thought I'd add a 500gb HDD and a 24x DVD RW. That's about as far as you can carry upgrades, as it already has bluetooth and wifi. I have printed the article on Accelerate Your Mac about the do's and don'ts, and I've been following the latest posts about the thermal paste. My question is... as y'all have been actively inside the G4 dome (Jim and Tina), are there any tips, tricks, or other nuances you could throw my way to help me through this endeavor? Any: "if I had only know about that then" kind of things, or is it pretty straight-forward? Thanks so much for all the posts, and all the help! J. R. Rosen jrose...@sbcglobal.net 281-467-5366 281-586-9876 fax + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Trust in the Lord with all your heart; do not depend on your own understanding. Seek His Will in all you do, and He will show you which path to take. Proverbs 3:5-6 + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: iMac G4 black monitor
Jim Scott wrote: It may seem silly, but if that paste/pad isn't replaced each time, it defeats the ability of the heat sink/pipe setup to conduct heat up to the area of the fan. Oh I understand the need for it, I just think that was a silly design decision. Although it may have been a good business decision, getting Apple more repairs and replacement sales. And why they couldn't design the air inlet & outlet for better flow and quieter performance is beyond me. Running at 100% CPU on a summer afternoon gets pretty loud. Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: iMac G4 black monitor
On Aug 26, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Tina K. wrote: > > > Jim Scott wrote: >> Aren't iMac G4s such sweethearts to work on? No wonder Apple moved on to the >> current cantilever pedestal AIO flat panel form factor rather quickly. >> > > While they are far from the simplicity of a tower, they aren't too bad as > long as you don't have to go all the way up to the display. The whole thermal > paste just to open it thing is pretty silly though. > > Tina It may seem silly, but if that paste/pad isn't replaced each time, it defeats the ability of the heat sink/pipe setup to conduct heat up to the area of the fan. That, in turn, causes the logic board to fry itself pretty quickly. I've seen several iMac G4s that were ruined by not replacing the paste/pad(s). Of course, if those air intake vents all around the perimeter of the base get clogged, that also can play havoc by causing overheating. Yet another example of Apple's designers' sexy form being more important than function. -- Jim -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: iMac G4 black monitor
Jim Scott wrote: Aren't iMac G4s such sweethearts to work on? No wonder Apple moved on to the current cantilever pedestal AIO flat panel form factor rather quickly. While they are far from the simplicity of a tower, they aren't too bad as long as you don't have to go all the way up to the display. The whole thermal paste just to open it thing is pretty silly though. Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: iMac G4 black monitor
On Aug 23, 2010, at 11:27 AM, pink74slk wrote: > Hello Mac User, > > I have an iMac G4 USB2.0 and the monitor does not lit anymore. > I replaced the inverter and still the same black monitor. > I then have bought the cable VGA adapter and connect the iMac to my > TV, and here the facts: > > just keep in mind that after the backup I did, I formatted the HDD > > so > > if turn on the iMac, the TV will be black as well, no signal > transmitter > > instead > > starting up the iMac from the boot DVD Leopard, the TV monitor is > white. Carlo, A white screen means that the screen is getting power, and that your inverter is OK. However, your screen is not getting data, which means that there's a problem in the circuit from your logic board video cable connector to the LCD. The most likely problem is that the video cable is not properly connected to the logic board, or to the LCD, or both. However, if the cable is securely connected to the logic board and the LCD, the next most likely problem is a break in the video cable (also known as the LVDS or low voltage data signal cable) between the logic board and the LCD connector. Because of the way the cable is snaked through the iMac G4's neck, which can flex and swivel, this is a common occurrence. The fix is to replace the neck with a new one. If you do this, make certain you get an exact replacement. There were a bunch of different necks for the iMac G4, depending on screen size and logic board/cpu version, so be careful. Just any old iMac G4 neck may not work. There's a tag on the cable, which will require an Apple Service Manual to decode, that identifies the neck in your machine. It's on the logic board end. Match the code on that tag, and you've got the right neck. Aren't iMac G4s such sweethearts to work on? No wonder Apple moved on to the current cantilever pedestal AIO flat panel form factor rather quickly. Jim Scott -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Can't for the love of god, get bootcamp or ubuntu to work.
Keep in mind that if you're installing Windows XP it has to be Service pack 3. I have set up boot camp with XP, and at one point got Ubuntu to work as well. What version of OSX are you running? The latest version? (10.6.4?) Apple made Boot Camp much more stable in 10.6 from 10.5. At what point are you getting a "bad disk" error? Is it referring to the HD, or the CD you're trying to install from? -Elliott On Aug 24, 2010, at 12:52 AM, Alexander Blok wrote: > After having gotten the advise about ubuntu and windows on my intel mac I > tried both. > Nothing but a bad disk error whilst I recently formatted the whole show. > No way to get this set off oses to work on my mac. > I feel sincerely shafted by apple. > Anyone know what is so out there when it comes to my nvidia MCP89 AHCI ? -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Can't for the love of god, get bootcamp or ubuntu to work.
After having gotten the advise about ubuntu and windows on my intel mac I tried both. Nothing but a bad disk error whilst I recently formatted the whole show. No way to get this set off oses to work on my mac. I feel sincerely shafted by apple. Anyone know what is so out there when it comes to my nvidia MCP89 AHCI ? -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Intel macbook ubuntu and windows issues.
After trying out the suggestions posted here, I formatted my hd any way, only to find my time machine back up did not include my material. (thanks for kinda warning me though, duye to the link with microsoft tendencies..) I proceeded to make a partition with bootcamp and installed windows xp. However, I do not know how to boot from such and bootcamp says that I need to install extras from the second dvd that came with my mac. There is nothing there that is that interesting in comparison to ms software though... That and after trying out several distros I still cannot get ubuntu or what kinda distro whatsoever recognise my internal (sata ide) hd or for that matter my external 1 therabyte one. I feel shafted... But can someone help so that this feeling lessens? -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: iMac G4 troubles
Alex Barnes wrote: I am reposting this because the old post I made got sidetracked and I could not get an answer. I have an iMac G4 that will not boot past the folder with a question mark. I have tried this using 3 different HDDs and the only one that I can get to boot any farther is a bad HDD (it's also the only HDD that any of my computers will recognize). I have tried booting the computer using Mac OS 9, 10.1, 10.2, and Debian Linux. All stop in the middle of the boot. battery or drive master/slave jumpers set wrong -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: iMac 266 will not boot from HD
andyreed wrote: I've got an iMac 266 (original fruit "flavored") that for the life of me I cannot get to boot from the internal hard drive. I used an AppleCare provided recovery CD, re-initialized the hard drive, and installed the iMac specific version of OS 8.6. I rebooted and got the flashing question mark/system folder icon. So I booted back from the CD. I checked the HD and verified that it does indeed have a blessed system folder and that the ROM 1.0 file was in the system folder. I can't see any reason for it not to boot. So I ran disc first aid, but the hard drive checked OK. Next I tried resetting the P-RAM, hoping that for some reason the machine had been insisting on a CD boot and skipping the HD. But no dice. Why won't this darn thing boot?! Battery -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
iMac G4 black monitor
Hello Mac User, I have an iMac G4 USB2.0 and the monitor does not lit anymore. I replaced the inverter and still the same black monitor. I then have bought the cable VGA adapter and connect the iMac to my TV, and here the facts: just keep in mind that after the backup I did, I formatted the HDD so if turn on the iMac, the TV will be black as well, no signal transmitter instead starting up the iMac from the boot DVD Leopard, the TV monitor is white. any guessing from you, idea/suggestion? thanx a lot carlo. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
