Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
On Sep 26, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Jack Suggs wrote: If there was a Like button for all the above, I'd click it. I have no idea what you're referring to, since you didn't quote anything above. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Leopard?
On Sep 26, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Midnight rider wrote: Not to be a snitch or anything but i am pretty sure you aren't allowed to use rich text like those Apple logos and the Apple buttons. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed No rich text here. Mac OS has supported Unicode since 8.5. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
Dear Penguirl: They no longer "Burn" CDs or DVD's on computer media for the home. It the old days, the original "burners" actually burned a small section of the CD/DVD and the mark was permanent. Either the section had a small hole burned in it or it didn't. Newer CD/DVD burners now make a mark in dye on the CD/DVD R, RW. The dye deteriorates after about three to five years so the CD/DVD then no longer has any information on it, things have become unreadable. If you can find an old burner, I mean from the 1990's or before, or buy a commercial grade burner, then the medium will actually be "burned" in actuality, and the image should be permanent. I have a couple of old burners and they actually do the job by burning the image into the disk. Even so, you have to watch for spelling and other mistakes that may creep in as the original gets older. Magnetic media is safer than newer CD/DVD media for securing the information you want to keep. Thumb Drives, also called Jump Drives and other magnetic media really hold onto the information a lot more permanently than the new CD/DVD technology. The only other thing you can do to insure your information is safely saved is to print it all up, and keep it in a fireproof safe. I would love to hear more on this subject, I want to hear about this subject. Thank you, sincerely, Virgil Fritz. _allnigh...@aol.com_ (mailto:allnigh...@aol.com) In a message dated 9/26/2010 5:23:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pengu...@gmx.com writes: The issue I have with digital files is that regardless of the media you store them on, be it a HDD or flash drive, both of which are subject to magnetic damage; or writable optical media, which seem to degrade simply by existing; they are subject to deterioration over time. A bit gets flipped here and there eventually resulting in discernible damage to the file. Enough bits get flipped and the file becomes useless. In nine years of computing I've had several files, mostly text and image files, that have mysteriously become unreadable. Given time it's likely that I will encounter a video file that has become corrupt and is no longer usable. If I originally purchased the data on a pressed, not burned, optical disk I can make another copy. If I purchased the data as a download then I have to hope that the vendor will let me re-download it. However I don't trust the vendors to do what I consider to be the right thing and pass on a perceived opportunity to make additional profit. That is why I prefer pressed CDs and DVDs. Yes they are subject to damage but they don't spontaneously degrade, at least they shouldn't in my lifetime. Sorry Steve (Jobs), I think you are wrong. Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Tina K. wrote: The issue I have with digital files is that regardless of the media you store them on, be it a HDD or flash drive, both of which are subject to magnetic damage; Flash drives aren't susceptible to magnetic damage... Matt Rhinesmith Sent from my Power Mac G4 Power Mac G4 Digital Audio "Persephone" 733 MHz PPC 7450 (G4) CPU 1.25 GB RAM 30 GB WD IDE HDD + 36 GB Seagate SCSI 15,000 RPM HD in a RAID 0 60 GB IBM IDE HDD Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
On 9/26/10 1:23 AM, Tina K. wrote: On 2010/09/25 21:24, Steven wrote: eventually Blu-Ray will eclipse DVD just like DVD eclipsed VHS I would tend to agree with that statement but Steve Jobs thinks that it will be online sales and rentals that will become the new standard. Tina He may want that but he'll be missing part of the buying public. Those w/out bank accounts and credit cards can't buy online. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
Yes, but steve jobs seems to think everyone has capable Internet provision for streaming and quickly downloading movie files. It simply isn't the case. Then there are those who simply aren't satisfied having a non physical library. On a separate note, I am quite disapointed that my 27" quad core doesn't have a blu ray drive. I watched UP with my daughter the other day and the pixilation was horrific. I am thinking of getting one of those kanex xd boxes, but they are so expensive. Sent from my iPhone On 26 Sep 2010, at 07:23, "Tina K." wrote: > > I would tend to agree with that statement but Steve Jobs thinks that it will > be online sales and rentals that will become the new standard. > > Tina > > -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Leopard?
Fair enough On 26/09/10 9:04 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote: On 10-09-26 5:35 PM, Bill Chapman wrote: Sloppy On 26/09/10 6:05 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote: On 10-09-26 3:47 PM, Bill Chapman wrote: try 'whether' wheather this or weather that : just a joke me friend : what's the harm Little things in life can really be up setting and in the end not worth it. Believe me from a guy that has survived several heart attacks. ⌦ ⌫ Life is like a roller coaster, enjoy it while it lasts ;) ⌦ ⌫ -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Leopard?
A question to all I know this may sound stupid but hear me out You all know the "UI nightmare" that is occurring on the iTunes 10 program, right? I for one like it and i want to know if there is a system wide patch because i want to make my iMac G4 look like it has a beta build of OS X 10.7. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Leopard?
On 10-09-26 7:18 PM, Midnight rider wrote: Not to be a snitch or anything but i am pretty sure you aren't allowed to use rich text like those Apple logos and the Apple buttons. Opps! My error! Sorry about that! -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Leopard?
Not to be a snitch or anything but i am pretty sure you aren't allowed to use rich text like those Apple logos and the Apple buttons. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Leopard?
On 10-09-26 5:35 PM, Bill Chapman wrote: Sloppy On 26/09/10 6:05 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote: On 10-09-26 3:47 PM, Bill Chapman wrote: try 'whether' wheather this or weather that : just a joke me friend : what's the harm Little things in life can really be up setting and in the end not worth it. Believe me from a guy that has survived several heart attacks. ⌦ ⌫ Life is like a roller coaster, enjoy it while it lasts ;) ⌦ ⌫ -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
If there was a Like button for all the above, I'd click it. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Leopard?
Sloppy On 26/09/10 6:05 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote: On 10-09-26 3:47 PM, Bill Chapman wrote: try 'whether' wheather this or weather that : just a joke me friend : what's the harm -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Leopard?
On 10-09-26 3:47 PM, Bill Chapman wrote: try 'whether' wheather this or weather that : just a joke me friend : what's the harm -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Leopard?
try 'whether' On 26/09/10 5:33 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote: On 10-09-25 6:38 PM, Bill Chapman wrote: 'Weather'? On 24/09/10 6:57 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote: On 10-09-24 12:19 PM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: I've been using FruitMenu, Xounds and WindowshadeX, since Jaguar days; I'll keep using them until Apple gets its head out of its butt and put the functionality back into the "Mac OS". The same here. Apple has simply allowed third party software developers to make a few bucks weather we like it or not. Yes, such as "weather" the storm of unsanity haxies... -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
On 10-09-26 12:19 PM, Steven wrote: because I just prefer FireWire and I occasionally work with Final Cut. i require FW's drives to capture studio audio recordings in real live time ( i'm not talking about making a CD copy in iTunes ) -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Leopard?
On 10-09-25 6:38 PM, Bill Chapman wrote: 'Weather'? On 24/09/10 6:57 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote: On 10-09-24 12:19 PM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: I've been using FruitMenu, Xounds and WindowshadeX, since Jaguar days; I'll keep using them until Apple gets its head out of its butt and put the functionality back into the "Mac OS". The same here. Apple has simply allowed third party software developers to make a few bucks weather we like it or not. Yes, such as "weather" the storm of unsanity haxies... -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
The issue I have with digital files is that regardless of the media you store them on, be it a HDD or flash drive, both of which are subject to magnetic damage; or writable optical media, which seem to degrade simply by existing; they are subject to deterioration over time. A bit gets flipped here and there eventually resulting in discernible damage to the file. Enough bits get flipped and the file becomes useless. In nine years of computing I've had several files, mostly text and image files, that have mysteriously become unreadable. Given time it's likely that I will encounter a video file that has become corrupt and is no longer usable. If I originally purchased the data on a pressed, not burned, optical disk I can make another copy. If I purchased the data as a download then I have to hope that the vendor will let me re-download it. However I don't trust the vendors to do what I consider to be the right thing and pass on a perceived opportunity to make additional profit. That is why I prefer pressed CDs and DVDs. Yes they are subject to damage but they don't spontaneously degrade, at least they shouldn't in my lifetime. Sorry Steve (Jobs), I think you are wrong. Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
On Sep 26, 2010, at 2:22 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: > They may be not immediately tangible, but you can, with the aid of an > electron microscope, visualize a file on a hard disk platter; digital files > are a physical manifestation of phenomena on the hard drive platter. I only used the term "imaginary" as a sort of insult to digital files. Yes, they may technically exist, but only in the same way that a song on the radio exists, not in an immediately available physical form (I can't very well remove my hard disk and play it in a CD player). > Wow, that's an impressive display of cognitive dissonance. > > In reality a vinyl record is just a piece of plastic with some scratches on > it that your record player decodes into sounds, just as a computer decodes a > MP3 file. With tapes it's even more like digital because you're literally > flipping bits of iron oxide in the tape. > > True it's an analog encoding rather than a digital one, but it's still a > non-aural, lossy encoding of a sound. Try as you might, without the aid of a > decoding device, a vinyl record, a reel-to-reel tape or a CD loaded with MP3 > files equally make no sound whatsoever. There is a big difference between analog and digital technologies. Both vinyl records and compact disc do use plastic circles with information stored on the surface, but analog information doesn't need to be "decoded" like digital does. The very minimum you need to play back a CD is a CD player, with complex mechanics and computer chips, while you can play a record with nothing more than a paper cone and a spinning surface that can be moved by hand. Sure, it won't sound nearly as good as playing the record on a stereo, but you can still retrieve the data with almost no technology whatsoever. This is because the scratches on the disc are an imprint of the actual sound wave, and while they may be recorded and read electrically (or in the case of some releases since the 1970s, even mastered digitally), the only real process that goes into recording and playing most records is electrical amplification and manipulation. With a CD or any other digital recording, you only get complex instructions on how to reproduce the file. Perhaps the simplest way to examine the differences would be to compare the most primitive versions of analog and digital recordings, player piano rolls and wax cylinders. The wax cylinder can reproduce the sound of a full orchestra with nothing more than a motor, lathe, needle, and horn, while the piano roll needs an actual piano and is incapable of performing other voices or even simple stylistic accents like volume and intensity. Both technologies have come a very long way, but there still remains the fact that an analog recording contains an imprint of an actual sound wave while digital recordings are instructions that tell the computer how to go about reconstructing the sound. > In reality the advent of digital photography has ushered in a true golden age > of photography...you get feedback *instantly* on whether your photo was > properly framed, exposed, focussed, etc...that instant feedback, coupled with > the virtual zero cost of digital photos has let people get the amount of > practice they needed to become better photographers. While that may be true in theory, the reality is very different. Rather than help them learn how to properly compose a shot by giving them feedback, digital cameras actually severely limit the abilities of the average user. Now rather than actually trying to compose a shot and take one good picture, people have become accustomed to pointing the camera in the general direction and clicking the shutter as many times as it takes before they accidentally get a good picture. While people used to come back from vacation with a few rolls of well composed pictures, now they have several thousand pictures that they will need to sift through to find a handful of good ones. This is of course generalizing, as there were many people in the time before digital who never bothered to learn how to take a good picture and there are many today who do use the advantages you mentioned, but overall knowledge about how to properly use a camera have fallen drastically. Even some "professionals" who use high end DSLRs don't have any idea what ƒ-stop and shutter speed mean, because the camera does all the work for them. Storage can be another problem, because while physical photos do take up room, digital pictures take up a lot of storage as well, and a shoebox is quite a bit cheaper than a new hard drive. In the end, most people switch to digital and never look back or care about the problems, but I want a physical master and total control of the picture, so I'm sticking with film until no one makes it anymore. Steven -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.co
Re: ITunes 10
You got it wrong. My phone is never the only computer i'll ever need. The more macs the better. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: ITunes 10
On Sep 26, 2010, at 12:01 PM, Midnight rider wrote: > i don't get this If the vertical traffic lights are a fail... why did > Apple include it anyways? Because, despite (apparently) common belief, Apple is not always right? I personally likes the 'above them menu' tabs in Safari 4 beta, but I was clearly in the minority; Apple removed them. Apple's made UI missteps numerous times. > In my opinion it's not a fail, but a major > success. THey should start doing more of this to have more space for smaller > screens. Oh great FSM, you're one of those 'Your phone is the only computer anyone ever needs' types, aren't you? The horizontal and vertical controls take up *EXACTLY* the same amount of horizontal space, because in the normal orientation, they are still kept within the title bar of the window which will be there regardless. -- Bruce Johnson "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
On Sep 26, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Steven wrote: > That really annoys me, since I don't consider digital files to be actual > things, just imaginary concepts. Then you won't mind me subjecting your hard drives to extremely powerful magnetic fields, since magnets cannot hurt imaginary things, right? They may be not immediately tangible, but you can, with the aid of an electron microscope, visualize a file on a hard disk platter; digital files are a physical manifestation of phenomena on the hard drive platter. > Sure I can listen to them, but in reality they are just magnetic states on a > disc which, when read by a computer, give instructions on how to synthesize > the music in question. I buy most of my music on vinyl, where I get a disc > with an actual sound wave encoded on it, or reel to reel tape, where I get a > magnetic wave that is an electronic implementation of the original sound wave Wow, that's an impressive display of cognitive dissonance. In reality a vinyl record is just a piece of plastic with some scratches on it that your record player decodes into sounds, just as a computer decodes a MP3 file. With tapes it's even more like digital because you're literally flipping bits of iron oxide in the tape. True it's an analog encoding rather than a digital one, but it's still a non-aural, lossy encoding of a sound. Try as you might, without the aid of a decoding device, a vinyl record, a reel-to-reel tape or a CD loaded with MP3 files equally make no sound whatsoever. Likewise, a film negative is merely a binary encoding of an image. The main difference between film and digital cameras is the size and number number of pixels, but in both cases it's either 'on' or 'off', whether it's a bit in a jpeg or a grain of silver halide in acetate, or dye particle in a color negative. Many many 'audiophiles' wax lyrical over the 'warmth' of vinyl as played on a tube-based amplifier. What they're talking about is distortion, just as the alleged coldness and 'mechanicalness' of digital audio is decried as 'soulless'. Distortion due to the sound reproduction technology is *STILL* distortion, regardless of the sourceit's just that the distortion of vinyl is remembered as 'the good old days'. Now there IS significant degradation of many sound recordings in the modern era, but it's all the fault of the recording engineers who are simply cranking the volume up and packing all the sound into the top few bits of their spectrum, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with the medium, it's just easier to do that with digital encoding than analog. > (I don't even use digital cameras because there is no master negative, just a > digital copy). In reality the advent of digital photography has ushered in a true golden age of photography...you get feedback *instantly* on whether your photo was properly framed, exposed, focussed, etc...that instant feedback, coupled with the virtual zero cost of digital photos has let people get the amount of practice they needed to become better photographers. -- Bruce Johnson "Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
On Sep 26, 2:28 pm, Steven wrote: > Wow, that sure turned into a rant. By the way, sorry about that blank message > I sent to the list. I accidentally hit send before I wrote anything. Well, that was an unusually enjoyable rant... :-) But I think Tina's on to something. While my standards are a heck of a lot lower than yours, and that I have moreover vastly compromised them for the sake of affordability and practicality, my tolerance has come to a sudden, screeching halt with the new Amazon digital video store. I used to favor their digital store because I could download and listen to music wherever I pleased instead of having to abide by Apple's rule of five, but this is plain disturbing. Anywhere else, you get a digital movie that you download to YOUR computer, or a number of your computers (limited by them); Amazon sells you the right to stream a movie from THEIR site. Anywhere else, you buy the digital ghost of a movie; Amazon sells you the right to hold seances. And now the new Apple TV seems like a step in the Digital Soup Nazi direction: No storage for you! Am I the only one who finds this alarming? F -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: ITunes 10
i don't get this If the vertical traffic lights are a fail... why did Apple include it anyways? In my opinion it's not a fail, but a major success. THey should start doing more of this to have more space for smaller screens. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
On Sep 26, 2:19 pm, Steven wrote: > While that is true, and USB has a higher peak speed (480mbps vs 400mbps for > FireWire 400), FireWire sustains much higher speeds than USB 2.0, which > varies, so it is better for video editing and other speed and large storage > related tasks (like, I presume, Blu-Ray). I only buy FireWire hard drives > even though I could probably get along fine without it, because I just prefer > FireWire and I occasionally work with Final Cut. Although that is getting > harder to do as even Apple is trying to move away from FireWire 400 and Macs > are basically the only computers that use FireWire hard drives. Well, that was a very specific piece of advice. I personally favor Firewire for all the abovementioned reasons, and when the first generation metal Macbook came out I went for an older white MB instead because no FW transfer speeds and no target disk mode was a dealbreaker for me. (FW800 rocks, by the way.) However, for a regular DVD player or DVD writer, USB 2.0 is simply good enough. F -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
On Sep 26, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Tina K. wrote: > I would tend to agree with that statement but Steve Jobs thinks that it will > be online sales and rentals that will become the new standard. > > Tina That really annoys me, since I don't consider digital files to be actual things, just imaginary concepts. Sure I can listen to them, but in reality they are just magnetic states on a disc which, when read by a computer, give instructions on how to synthesize the music in question. I buy most of my music on vinyl, where I get a disc with an actual sound wave encoded on it, or reel to reel tape, where I get a magnetic wave that is an electronic implementation of the original sound wave (I don't even use digital cameras because there is no master negative, just a digital copy). Even on Compact Disc you get a much denser and more accurate synthesis on a physical medium. But I put up with digital music because it is so convenient. I can't go around with a record player, and even when the new Crosley Revolution comes out I won't be able to use it everywhere I can use an iPod, so I do have a large iTunes library, but when I get home I always listen to records and tapes. Movies are a different story entirely. All I need to do to listen to an MP3 anywhere is put on headphones. Sure, some may complain that you can't play MP3s on a home stereo, but quite frankly I don't want to play MP3s on my hi-fi because then I could hear how bad they really are. With digital movies, on the other hand, the only way I can watch them on anything other than my computer is to use my video goggles (MyVu), and since I wear glasses I don't like to use those anywhere except planes and a few other situations where I wouldn't want to hold up an iPod for a long time. There is no way to watch them on a TV short of pulling it out from the wall and plugging cables in, and even to watch them on another computer you need to somehow transfer the file first. And even if you do have a fully wired house with a high speed home network and an TV, there is the problem of quality. Just like with MP3, there is a reason that an HD movie on iTunes is about 1-2gb while a Blu-Ray can be up to 50gb. While most people never notice the low quality of MP3 because of the cheap iPod headphones or constant background noise when listening to music, video compression is much more apparent, especially with fast moving action scenes. Add to this outrageous prices comparable to infinitely superior physical copies, and it is easy to see that Steve Jobs' dream of killing physical media with low quality downloads is certainly not going to happen any time soon. The key to success on the iTunes store was low price point; while complete albums don't cost much less than actual CDs, most people only buy the CD for one or two hit songs, and in that case 99¢ is a much better price than $15. Now when you can pay $10 for a standard definition video or $15 for a DVD (complete with special features and a digital copy) that you can own, play on any TV or computer, and even sell later, it is not nearly as enticing to buy online. And considering that Blu-Ray hasn't really managed to make a dent outside of home theaters, in which case the people watching demand the highest quality possible and don't even consider downloads to be a real option, Apple really doesn't have any reason to believe that they will be able to singlehandedly kill the optical disc. And Apple's current stance would be yet another reason to get an external BD-ROM drive, since even the high end computer two years down the line might not have a Blu-Ray drive. I can understand, however, how some people will want instant gratification and won't care about quality or convenience. This is all coming from someone who insist on LaserDisc for standard definition (same resolution as DVD, but with uncompressed analog video), and 16mm for high definition (much higher "resolution" for good prints, no possibility of compression, and pure unmatched color in the case of Kodachrome and Technicolor, although I do have to put up with low fidelity monophonic sound) even though they are much harder to find and in the case of 16mm several times more expensive than even Blu-Ray (which is why the only feature I have on 16mm is a silent print of Charlie Chaplin's "Modern Times"), so I'm certainly not the average person when it comes to video preferences. From what I have seen and heard, though, most people at least seem to agree with me on digital downloads being inferior and much less convenient. Wow, that sure turned into a rant. By the way, sorry about that blank message I sent to the list. I accidentally hit send before I wrote anything. Steven -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
While that is true, and USB has a higher peak speed (480mbps vs 400mbps for FireWire 400), FireWire sustains much higher speeds than USB 2.0, which varies, so it is better for video editing and other speed and large storage related tasks (like, I presume, Blu-Ray). I only buy FireWire hard drives even though I could probably get along fine without it, because I just prefer FireWire and I occasionally work with Final Cut. Although that is getting harder to do as even Apple is trying to move away from FireWire 400 and Macs are basically the only computers that use FireWire hard drives. Steven On Sep 26, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Ashgrove wrote: > External USB DVD devices are cheaper and easier to get than Firewire > ones, too. Just my 2 cents. > > F -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: ITunes 10
I'm not sure what you mean. If anything, vertical make the window slightly wider, since they go beside the application controls instead of above them. Steven On Sep 26, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Bill Chapman wrote: > The vertical traffic lights make sense... they keep the window from getting > too wide -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: ITunes 10
The vertical traffic lights make sense... they keep the window from getting too wide On 26/09/10 1:48 PM, Steven wrote: I understand the need for the operating system elements to change over time, but, like the tab bar on the Safari 4 Beta, the vertical "traffic lights" are a mistake. They don't match any other part of the operating system, or any other operating system for that matter. Every other operating major operating system ever made has had the window buttons placed horizontally along the top of the window, because that's the logical place for them as there is already a title taking up part of that space. There is no title bar in the new iTunes design, presumably because they expect everyone to know what iTunes looks like. While that may work for one unique and well known application, they couldn't possibly get rid of the title bar system wide, so I figure this design is doomed. I'm fine with new features and appearances making their way into the operating system, but only when they make sense. Steven On Sep 26, 2010, at 7:43 AM, Midnight rider wrote: This is not a mistake, because i don't want to stick with the OS X theme for too long. the transition to OS X from OS 9 was a big deal for many people in terms of the UI, but people got over it as it is the way the next generation of Os's will look. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: ITunes 10
I understand the need for the operating system elements to change over time, but, like the tab bar on the Safari 4 Beta, the vertical "traffic lights" are a mistake. They don't match any other part of the operating system, or any other operating system for that matter. Every other operating major operating system ever made has had the window buttons placed horizontally along the top of the window, because that's the logical place for them as there is already a title taking up part of that space. There is no title bar in the new iTunes design, presumably because they expect everyone to know what iTunes looks like. While that may work for one unique and well known application, they couldn't possibly get rid of the title bar system wide, so I figure this design is doomed. I'm fine with new features and appearances making their way into the operating system, but only when they make sense. Steven On Sep 26, 2010, at 7:43 AM, Midnight rider wrote: > This is not a mistake, because i don't want to stick with the OS X theme for > too long. the transition to OS X from OS 9 was a big deal for many people in > terms of the UI, but people got over it as it is the way the next generation > of Os's will look. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
On Sep 26, 12:44 am, Joshua Juran wrote: > The only problem is the iMac is running Tiger, for which VLC (at > least) has dropped support. Perhaps it's time to install a newer OS X. > [2] > [2] I hesitate to say 'upgrade', since I consider differently code- > named OS X versions to be separate and incompatible products. Hence > 'newer'. Excellent point. Cameron argued very effectively that Tiger was the last Mac OS that was a good, finely tuned blend of the old and the new. I personally find myself using mostly Leopard and Snow Leopard (and unfiltered OS 9, but that's a different story), but I agree: they are not necessarily better per se (except for one or two new killer features), just optimized for Intel hardware. Which brings me to a completely different idea. Optimization for a specific set of hardware --isn't that the whole point of (any) Mac OS? F -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
On Sep 26, 12:02 am, Midnight rider wrote: > Also, don't go through with USB. USB IS SLOW. it lags even on USB 3.0. > To save time, get firewire to make sure the speeds are good. I made this > mistake by buying a USB powered external DVD drive to install leopard on my > Power Mac G4 sawtooth, and installation took 5-6 hours, but IDK because the > intro video woke me up. I know that most of you think that the G4 sawtooth > is slow, but in reality even for the G4 sawtooth 5 hours is VERY slow. at > most my G4 sawtooth takes about the same amount of time as any other macs > would take to install leopard, even the intel machines which was 1.5 hours. > I later got that blu ray drive (which is now in my iMac) and i tested it > and it only took 1.5 hours to install leopard. I agree that USB is slower than Firewire, but the lag you experienced with the Sawtooth was due to the fact that it had USB 1.1 ports, not USB 2.0. I have two external DVD writers, one USB and one Firewire, and cannot honestly tell the difference in terms of speed --if anything, the USB is faster, just because the drive itself is faster. The Intel iMac we're talking about has USB 2.0 ports, so he won't have that issue. External USB DVD devices are cheaper and easier to get than Firewire ones, too. Just my 2 cents. F -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
On Sep 26, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Tina K. wrote: > On 2010/09/25 21:24, Steven wrote: > >> eventually Blu-Ray will eclipse DVD just like DVD eclipsed VHS > > I would tend to agree with that statement but Steve Jobs thinks that it will > be online sales and rentals that will become the new standard. > > Tina > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group > for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com > To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: ITunes 10
This is not a mistake, because i don't want to stick with the OS X theme for too long. the transition to OS X from OS 9 was a big deal for many people in terms of the UI, but people got over it as it is the way the next generation of Os's will look. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
