Re: Trouble booting from external drive

[375GTB .]

CCC clones are bootable

IF the original is bootable

CCC will tell you it will be bootable

No need to check anything

It CANNOT make the unbootable, bootable.

Don't give false hope..

THIS since at least "Classic" OS-9, c. 2000

Thru OS-X 10.9 Mavericks



On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Bruce Johnson <
john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu> wrote:

>
> > On Jun 24, 2016, at 12:30 AM, GMail Valter Psicof <
> valter.psi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Which software did you use for cloning?
> > I seem to remember there's something that needs to be copied (or fixed)
> for
> > a cloned OSX to be bootable; hence not all clones are born equal.
> > Using Carbon Copy Cloner I always had successfully booting clones.
>
> There’s a checkbox in CCC to make the clone bootable. It’s checked by
> default so most people never notice it.
>
> Yes the disk also needs a boot partition. I think repartitioning the
> backup drive (which will also reformat the drive), and then redoing the
> clone is a very good idea.
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Re: Trouble booting from external drive

[Bruce Johnson]

> On Jun 24, 2016, at 12:30 AM, GMail Valter Psicof  
> wrote:
> 
> Which software did you use for cloning?
> I seem to remember there's something that needs to be copied (or fixed) for
> a cloned OSX to be bootable; hence not all clones are born equal.
> Using Carbon Copy Cloner I always had successfully booting clones.

There’s a checkbox in CCC to make the clone bootable. It’s checked by default 
so most people never notice it.

Yes the disk also needs a boot partition. I think repartitioning the backup 
drive (which will also reformat the drive), and then redoing the clone is a 
very good idea. 

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Re: Trouble booting from external drive

[375GTB .]

My late 2009 Mac Mini 2.53Ghz. works FINE with original 4GB RAM and 10.9
Mavericks.

As it did (and DOES) with 10.6 Snow Leopard..From LaCie d2 Quadra with
FireWire 800

320GB WD 7200 rpm HDD x2...one IDE and one SATA..

The slow internal 5400 rpm 320GB 2.5" drive is partitioned to be the Time
Machine Backups.

I have no iOS devices, so Yosemite and El Kapitain are of no use to me.

10.9 gets regular updates..

10.6 has Rosetta..

So I'm quite satisfied...

10.7 Liar works fine from my $25 2007 white MacBook... 32 bit...

4GB RAM but only uses 3.3GB...

So cannot be updated OS wise...

Cheers

J.C.







On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:01 AM, Russell Courtenay 
wrote:

> Recently got a NewerTech 1TB FireWire drive from OWC for backup (my first
> NEW accessory purchase in years!) but figured I should partition my
> internal drive for El Capitan, Snow Leopard and Data as it is a 2008 iMac
> and will not be upgrading further in OS. On 2 gigs of ram it is already
> really slow on El Cap so I want to try it on Snow Leopard.
>
> Backed up and tried the  restart to boot from the NewerTech drive
> and got the circle X symbol and it booted from the internal drive. Ran Disk
> Utility on the external drive, it made some minor fixes, same thing.
>
> I won't be able to try again till tomorrow night but what do I try next?
>
> The only other problem I've had with this drive is I cannot unmount it,
> when I want to disconnect it I have to shut down the computer or I get the
> warning that it is 'in use'. Not sure what is up with that either...
>
> Russell Courtenay
>
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Re: Trouble booting from external drive

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I like the older Carbon Copy Cloner, from OWC...

It's cloned everything from Classic OS-9.2.2 to OS-10.9, here.

1999 PowerBook G3/400 to the Mac Mini...

The newer CCC you pay for has more bells and whistles

Not my cuppa



On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 7:34 AM, 375GTB .  wrote:

> My late 2009 Mac Mini 2.53Ghz. works FINE with original 4GB RAM and 10.9
> Mavericks.
>
> As it did (and DOES) with 10.6 Snow Leopard..From LaCie d2 Quadra with
> FireWire 800
>
> 320GB WD 7200 rpm HDD x2...one IDE and one SATA..
>
> The slow internal 5400 rpm 320GB 2.5" drive is partitioned to be the Time
> Machine Backups.
>
> I have no iOS devices, so Yosemite and El Kapitain are of no use to me.
>
> 10.9 gets regular updates..
>
> 10.6 has Rosetta..
>
> So I'm quite satisfied...
>
> 10.7 Liar works fine from my $25 2007 white MacBook... 32 bit...
>
> 4GB RAM but only uses 3.3GB...
>
> So cannot be updated OS wise...
>
> Cheers
>
> J.C.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:01 AM, Russell Courtenay <
> unknownid...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Recently got a NewerTech 1TB FireWire drive from OWC for backup (my first
>> NEW accessory purchase in years!) but figured I should partition my
>> internal drive for El Capitan, Snow Leopard and Data as it is a 2008 iMac
>> and will not be upgrading further in OS. On 2 gigs of ram it is already
>> really slow on El Cap so I want to try it on Snow Leopard.
>>
>> Backed up and tried the  restart to boot from the NewerTech drive
>> and got the circle X symbol and it booted from the internal drive. Ran Disk
>> Utility on the external drive, it made some minor fixes, same thing.
>>
>> I won't be able to try again till tomorrow night but what do I try next?
>>
>> The only other problem I've had with this drive is I cannot unmount it,
>> when I want to disconnect it I have to shut down the computer or I get the
>> warning that it is 'in use'. Not sure what is up with that either...
>>
>> Russell Courtenay
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Trouble booting from external drive

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Il giorno 24/06/16 08.59, "Russell Courtenay" ha scritto:

> The external drive is a clone of the internal drive, I don't think I formatted
> it, don't remember... One partition.

Well, it sounds unlikely, but if it's factory formatted, maybe there's some
quirk that gets in the way; a GUID hard drive with a cloned OSX, connected
thru firewire, should boot the same Mac flawlessly (or at the very least be
recognized at boot screen). It's odd.

That's why you could try to format it yourself, and repeat the backup (time
consuming, I know, but I can't think of anything else...).

Which software did you use for cloning?
I seem to remember there's something that needs to be copied (or fixed) for
a cloned OSX to be bootable; hence not all clones are born equal.
Using Carbon Copy Cloner I always had successfully booting clones.


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Re: Trouble booting from external drive

[Russell Courtenay]

The external drive is a clone of the internal drive, I don't think I formatted 
it, don't remember... One partition.

Russell Courtenay

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> On Jun 24, 2016, at 12:44 AM, GMail Valter Psicof  
> wrote:
> 
> Il giorno 24/06/16 07.09, "Russell Courtenay" ha scritto:
> 
>> Thanks for the response. Well, I checked and it is indeed GUID partition map.
>> So any other ideas anybody?
> 
> I'd say you could try to reformat the drive anyway. Maybe there's some quirk
> (unless you already formatted it yourself in the first place).
> 
> One question: the OSX you're trying to boot from the external, is a backup
> of your iMac hard drive?
> Or is it an OSX you installed onto it from a different source?
> 
> Oh, and is it the external HD just one partition, or has it more than one?
> 
> 
> Il giorno 23/06/16 19.41, "Bruce  Johnson" ha scritto:
> 
>> Also, updating the RAM in that iMac is easy and IIRC they¹ll take up to 8 or
>> 16gb. 2GB is marginal even for Snow Leopard.
> 
> According to Everymac.com, the Early 2008 iMac takes up to 6 GB Ram:
> <http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac-core-2-duo-2.8-24-inc
> h-aluminum-early-2008-penryn-specs.html>
> 
> I personally tested such iMac with Snow Leopard and just 2 GB, and it can
> slow down even on minor using (Firefox with many tabs open).
> 4 GB should be enough for most purposes, save for video editing, heavy
> photoshopping or the like. I strongly recommend to upgrade to 4 GB at least.
> 
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Re: Trouble booting from external drive

[GMail Valter Psicof]

Il giorno 24/06/16 07.09, "Russell Courtenay" ha scritto:

> Thanks for the response. Well, I checked and it is indeed GUID partition map.
> So any other ideas anybody?

I'd say you could try to reformat the drive anyway. Maybe there's some quirk
(unless you already formatted it yourself in the first place).

One question: the OSX you're trying to boot from the external, is a backup
of your iMac hard drive?
Or is it an OSX you installed onto it from a different source?

Oh, and is it the external HD just one partition, or has it more than one?


Il giorno 23/06/16 19.41, "Bruce  Johnson" ha scritto:

> Also, updating the RAM in that iMac is easy and IIRC they¹ll take up to 8 or
> 16gb. 2GB is marginal even for Snow Leopard.

According to Everymac.com, the Early 2008 iMac takes up to 6 GB Ram:


I personally tested such iMac with Snow Leopard and just 2 GB, and it can
slow down even on minor using (Firefox with many tabs open).
4 GB should be enough for most purposes, save for video editing, heavy
photoshopping or the like. I strongly recommend to upgrade to 4 GB at least.


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Re: Trouble booting from external drive

[Russell Courtenay]

Thanks for the response. Well, I checked and it is indeed GUID partition map. 
So any other ideas anybody?

Russell Courtenay

Sent from my old iMac

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Bruce Johnson  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2016, at 10:01 PM, Russell Courtenay  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Backed up and tried the  restart to boot from the NewerTech drive 
>> and got the circle X symbol and it booted from the internal drive. Ran Disk 
>> Utility on the external drive, it made some minor fixes, same thing.
>> 
>> I won't be able to try again till tomorrow night but what do I try next?
> 
> Check the Disk partition scheme on the OWC drive. I’ll lay odds its FAT32 not 
> GUID. To fix this you have to go into Disk utility, select the drive (not the 
> volume) and click on the Partition tab. Select 1 partition and select GUID as 
> partition type.
> 
> Also, updating the RAM in that iMac is easy and IIRC they’ll take up to 8 or 
> 16gb. 2GB is marginal even for Snow Leopard. with 4 or 8 gb that iMac will 
> run a LOT better.
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Re: Trouble booting from external drive

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> On Jun 22, 2016, at 10:01 PM, Russell Courtenay  
> wrote:
> 
> Backed up and tried the  restart to boot from the NewerTech drive and 
> got the circle X symbol and it booted from the internal drive. Ran Disk 
> Utility on the external drive, it made some minor fixes, same thing.
> 
> I won't be able to try again till tomorrow night but what do I try next?

Check the Disk partition scheme on the OWC drive. I’ll lay odds its FAT32 not 
GUID. To fix this you have to go into Disk utility, select the drive (not the 
volume) and click on the Partition tab. Select 1 partition and select GUID as 
partition type.

Also, updating the RAM in that iMac is easy and IIRC they’ll take up to 8 or 
16gb. 2GB is marginal even for Snow Leopard. with 4 or 8 gb that iMac will run 
a LOT better.

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Trouble booting from external drive

[Russell Courtenay]

Recently got a NewerTech 1TB FireWire drive from OWC for backup (my first NEW 
accessory purchase in years!) but figured I should partition my internal drive 
for El Capitan, Snow Leopard and Data as it is a 2008 iMac and will not be 
upgrading further in OS. On 2 gigs of ram it is already really slow on El Cap 
so I want to try it on Snow Leopard.

Backed up and tried the  restart to boot from the NewerTech drive and 
got the circle X symbol and it booted from the internal drive. Ran Disk Utility 
on the external drive, it made some minor fixes, same thing.

I won't be able to try again till tomorrow night but what do I try next?

The only other problem I've had with this drive is I cannot unmount it, when I 
want to disconnect it I have to shut down the computer or I get the warning 
that it is 'in use'. Not sure what is up with that either...

Russell Courtenay

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Re: External Drive for OS 10.4 Tiger

[GMail Valter Psicof]

Il giorno 24/05/15 01.25, "Colin Yarwood" ha scritto:

> If its not too late - tell your contact to buy a flash memory card of
> however many Gbs they need and put it in a USB Card reader plugged into the
> iMac. The speed and silence is brilliant and the costs are very reasonable!

Beware, flash drives have two drawbacks:

- Their speed are slower than HDs. But if the backup is once in a while,
that could be fine.

- They are way less reliable than HDs. Again, that could be fine for
somebody, but I wouldn't feel good knowing that my backup could become
corrupted anytime.
IMO, that risk is not worth for a handful of dollars saved. Backup are for
safety and peace of mind, an unsafe back is no real backup.


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Re: External Drive for OS 10.4 Tiger

[Colin Yarwood]

If its not too late - tell your contact to buy a flash memory card of 
however many Gbs they need and put it in a USB Card reader plugged into the 
iMac. The speed and silence is brilliant and the costs are very reasonable!

Colin

On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:08:13 AM UTC, Al Poulin wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 8:07:49 PM UTC-5, ValterV wrote:
>>
>> Il giorno 16/01/15 00.36, "Bruce Johnson" ha scritto: 
>>
>> >> A user group member wants to buy an external hard drive to back up her 
>> old 
>> >> iMac with 10.4 Tiger. 
>>
>> > any USB drive should work on any USB-capable Mac. 
>>
>> Most likely. 
>>
>> But that iMac better have USB 2.0 ports, otherwise USB 1.1 slowness will 
>> make the drive almost useless. 
>> If the iMac only has USB 1.1 ports, a Firewire drive would be a better 
>> (altough costlier) choice. 
>>
>>
> That's a great reminder. Thanks everyone. I'm passing this on to the user 
> group member.
>
> Al Poulin 
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Re: External Drive for OS 10.4 Tiger

[Al Poulin]

On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 8:07:49 PM UTC-5, ValterV wrote:
>
> Il giorno 16/01/15 00.36, "Bruce Johnson" ha scritto: 
>
> >> A user group member wants to buy an external hard drive to back up her 
> old 
> >> iMac with 10.4 Tiger. 
>
> > any USB drive should work on any USB-capable Mac. 
>
> Most likely. 
>
> But that iMac better have USB 2.0 ports, otherwise USB 1.1 slowness will 
> make the drive almost useless. 
> If the iMac only has USB 1.1 ports, a Firewire drive would be a better 
> (altough costlier) choice. 
>
>
That's a great reminder. Thanks everyone. I'm passing this on to the user 
group member.

Al Poulin 

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Re: External Drive for OS 10.4 Tiger

[GMail Valter Psicof]

Il giorno 16/01/15 00.36, "Bruce Johnson" ha scritto:

>> A user group member wants to buy an external hard drive to back up her old
>> iMac with 10.4 Tiger.

> any USB drive should work on any USB-capable Mac.

Most likely.

But that iMac better have USB 2.0 ports, otherwise USB 1.1 slowness will
make the drive almost useless.
If the iMac only has USB 1.1 ports, a Firewire drive would be a better
(altough costlier) choice.


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Re: External Drive for OS 10.4 Tiger

[Clark Martin]

Agreed, mostly, companies put such requirements on their products to avoid 
supporting older systems.

KK6ISP
Yet another designated driver on the information super highway.

On Jan 15, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

>> On Jan 15, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Al Poulin  wrote:
>> 
>> Can’t new external hard drives be formated or otherwise made to work with OS 
>> X 10.4 Tiger? I do not understand why not.
>> 
>> A user group member wants to buy an external hard drive to back up her old 
>> iMac with 10.4 Tiger. It seems that models available at the Apple Store, 
>> Best Buy, and other outlets specify OS X 10.5 Leopard and 10.6 Snow Leopard 
>> or later. This is with models like Seagate Slim and LaCie Porsche, whether 
>> USB bus powered or with power adaptor.
> 
> I don't think so...any USB drive should work on any USB-capable Mac.These 
> drives contain (mostly useless) software that may not run under 10.4 but the 
> drive should function just fine
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Re: External Drive for OS 10.4 Tiger

[Bruce Johnson]

> On Jan 15, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Al Poulin  wrote:
> 
> Can’t new external hard drives be formated or otherwise made to work with OS 
> X 10.4 Tiger? I do not understand why not.
> 
> A user group member wants to buy an external hard drive to back up her old 
> iMac with 10.4 Tiger. It seems that models available at the Apple Store, Best 
> Buy, and other outlets specify OS X 10.5 Leopard and 10.6 Snow Leopard or 
> later. This is with models like Seagate Slim and LaCie Porsche, whether USB 
> bus powered or with power adaptor.

I don't think so...any USB drive should work on any USB-capable Mac.These 
drives contain (mostly useless) software that may not run under 10.4 but the 
drive should function just fine

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External Drive for OS 10.4 Tiger

[Al Poulin]

Can’t new external hard drives be formated or otherwise made to work with 
OS X 10.4 Tiger? I do not understand why not.


A user group member wants to buy an external hard drive to back up her old 
iMac with 10.4 Tiger. It seems that models available at the Apple Store, 
Best Buy, and other outlets specify OS X 10.5 Leopard and 10.6 Snow Leopard 
or later. This is with models like Seagate Slim and LaCie Porsche, whether 
USB bus powered or with power adaptor.


I see  that macsales.com/OWC has external drives that accommodate 
everything from Mac OS 8.6 to the latest OS X.

 Al Poulin


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Re: how to divide a new 2 Terrabyte external drive

[John Carmonne]

On Sep 23, 2012, at 7:35 PM, janespra...@comcast.net wrote:

> I just bought a new 2T external drive to use for my iMac back up. I use 
> SuperDuper to back up and of course, Time Machine. So at least 2 partitions. 
> Now throw this into the mix: TechToolPro. 
> 
> Micromat suggests I make an edrive of TTP to use as a start up drive. ( From 
> Micromat: Note that the eDrive is a preferable option to the DVD (for 10.6, 
> which I am using), being faster, more functional, and easier to update. 
> Because it appears that Apple is no longer going to update the boot DVD that 
> we use, the eDrive will be more compatible moving forward.) 
> 
> Micromat suggested that I make a partition on my internal drive for the 
> edrive. But wouldn't I have to erase the whole drive and start over? 
> 
I see no reason to have the eDrive on the internal because usually the internal 
has a problem that needs to be addressed with an external tool,

> So, how large should the partitions be for a SuperDuper back up (I have a 500 
> gig hard drive), Time machine and TechToolPro edrive?
> 
You need 500 for the SuperDuper back up. And the eDrive partition will be as 
small as Disk Utility will allow you to make. I would put it on a USB thumb 
drive.

> I am also wondering if I should add a 4th partition and leave it blank for 
> future use.

I would leave all the space I have left for Time Machine, it can be a real 
hog:-)




John Carmonne
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how to divide a new 2 Terrabyte external drive

[janesprando]

I just bought a new 2T external drive to use for my iMac back up. I use 
SuperDuper to back up and of course, Time Machine. So at least 2 partitions. 
Now throw this into the mix: TechToolPro. 

Micromat suggests I make an edrive of TTP to use as a start up drive. ( From 
Micromat: Note that the eDrive is a preferable option to the DVD (for 10.6, 
which I am using), being faster, more functional, and easier to update. Because 
it appears that Apple is no longer going to update the boot DVD that we use, 
the eDrive will be more compatible moving forward.) 

Micromat suggested that I make a partition on my internal drive for the edrive. 
But wouldn't I have to erase the whole drive and start over? 

So, how large should the partitions be for a SuperDuper back up (I have a 500 
gig hard drive), Time machine and TechToolPro edrive?

I am also wondering if I should add a 4th partition and leave it blank for 
future use.

Jane

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Re: External Drive

[John Hobbs]

On 1 Jun 2010, at 20:53, Run Vzel wrote:

Kathy K  May 31 12:09PM -0700 wrote:

>> I don't have loads of $ to spend, and also need to know that my  
>> graphics software is going to be compatible with the OS upgrade.  
>> (Adobe CS3, and InDesign CS2, Quark 7, Freehand MXa—yes, the suite  
>> needs upgrading and yes I'm still attached to Freehand.)

CS3 will be alright in 10.5, CS2 will break, Quark 7—don’t know, Freehand—don’t 
know.

I recently picked up a 1TB LaCie FW400/800/USB/ESATA HD for 79 GB pounds from 
Cancom.
All the stuff I transferred from my old G5 isight to the new 27 inch iMac work 
including Quark and Freehand 10 more importantly Call of duty United Offensive 
still works probably runs under rossetta.

(died at 4 years old all of the caps had been replaced before shipment from 
Apple you can tell the board has been re-worked Idid try replacing the blown 1 
with parts from RS but gave up and stumped up for the 27 inch iMac just around 
Christmas was a bit concerned with all the reports of dodgy screens and Flash 
problems but so far no problems of note. There is a strange anomally in that my 
Harmon Kardon sound sticks do not work when plugged directly into the iMac but 
work fine if I use an extension audio lead.)
John

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Re: External Drive

[Bill Chapman]

Yeah, I've heard good things about newegg.. I'll definitely check them out




Ashgrove wrote:

On Jun 3, 6:31 pm, Kathy K  wrote:
  
I will check out otherworldcomputing too. I still need to purchase  
ram.



You can also check Newegg and some --not all-- vendors on eBay.
1-800-4-MEMORY is a good one. While always reliable, OWC tends to be a
little on the pricier side.

Felix

  


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Re: External Drive

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On Jun 3, 6:31 pm, Kathy K  wrote:
> I will check out otherworldcomputing too. I still need to purchase  
> ram.

You can also check Newegg and some --not all-- vendors on eBay.
1-800-4-MEMORY is a good one. While always reliable, OWC tends to be a
little on the pricier side.

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Re: External Drive

[Bill Chapman]

Yeah, go to http://8.quark.com/, you can download a free trial. You can 
upgrade from your earlier version of Quark. Take a look at what they can 
do re Flash... a lot of great info links on their site. The thing about 
InDesign is that their conversion to web layout from any given page 
layout is pretty much limited to simple 'brochure' type layouts, 
according to reviews, while Quark 8 has tons of interactivity functions.

http://8.quark.com/design_across_media.html

Check out how you can integrate with PS and other adobe apps
http://8.quark.com/cs_integration/

Don't forget, you can get Q8 several hundred dollars cheaper when you 
upgrade from an earlier version (assuming you paid for it haha)


Earlier you said "...because I know that I won't get around to backing 
things up on CDs and DVDs."
I have an external OWC Mercury Elite-AL Pro hard drive, 1Tb... I just 
drag-drop files I'm working on to it at least 2-3 times a day. No 
sweat. You just have to kind of scare yourself and get into the habit of 
backing up. About 3-4 months ago my G4 QuickSilver hd died on me... but, 
all I lost was a ton of emails, since I've been backing up my stuff all 
along, since 1996... I have over 200 CDs and DVDs with all my graphic 
work done over the years... all of that is also on my external hard 
drive, making it a snap to find any file really quickly, a real time 
saver compared to rifling through a ton of CDs.


I also have a network of macs available since I have deadlines and can't 
afford to have a mac die... the day the G4 died, I promptly went out and 
got a G5 tower second hand and it's been great, really powerful. So, I 
didn't miss a beat... I was busy designing a 40-page web site and have 
that all backed up incIuding on my G4 Titanium Powerbook, ready to step 
in at any time.


I buy all my macs (12 and counting) second hand and never throw any out. 
Those legacy macs can be really useful... my Wacom tablet, printer and 
scanner are unusable in OS X but I have an old mac on my network which 
runs then on Mac OS 8.6




Kathy K wrote:
I might have to look at that—but I haven't used Quark much in the last 
year. In fact, I just did some work in Quark from existing files and 
could hardly remember any shortcuts or anything.



On Jun 3, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:

FYI Quark 8 is a way different re interface than earlier versions... 
it mimics adobe modern interfaces, is very appealing. And it is far 
superior to InDesign re building Flash output; can do most of what 
Flash itself does right inside Quark... great if you're more of a 
print designer than web designer, since you won't have to learn Flash 
itself





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Re: External Drive

[Kathy K]

I might have to look at that—but I haven't used Quark much in the  
last year. In fact, I just did some work in Quark from existing files  
and could hardly remember any shortcuts or anything.



On Jun 3, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:

FYI Quark 8 is a way different re interface than earlier  
versions... it mimics adobe modern interfaces, is very appealing.  
And it is far superior to InDesign re building Flash output; can do  
most of what Flash itself does right inside Quark... great if  
you're more of a print designer than web designer, since you won't  
have to learn Flash itself


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Re: External Drive

[Kathy K]

If I'd clued in that .11 was greater than .8, then indeed I would  
have realized I had the minimum OS required. But I don't have an IT  
brain, and never tried to determine what it was that confused me  
about the whole upgrade point system. Rather, I am more frequently  
found helping one of my kids with math homework, where in their  
world .11 is less than .8 — at least decimals I know. Bruce's  
explanation was great—I'll remember how that works now.


I just bought Snow Leopard today, so once I get everything backed up,  
that's what I'll be going to. Also purchased an external drive. I  
know Glenn said he didn't like Seagate, but Seagate has been fine in  
the past for me. I do have an old Seagate external drive still  
trucking over here, just not big enough anymore. Anyway, I was happy  
to find the 1TB Seagate FreeAgent for Mac drive for $99 on the shelf  
at my local BestBuy.


I will check out otherworldcomputing too. I still need to purchase  
ram. I'm interested in Time Machine, because I know that I won't get  
around to backing things up on CDs and DVDs. One can always hope  
though. Maybe after I do my taxes...


On Jun 1, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:

You should be getting CS5 adobe stuff. Forget Tiger (10.4 and  
Leopard (10.5)... switch to Snow Leopard 10.6) pronto. But make  
sure your old adobe stuff will run on Snow Leopard (just google  
'cs3 snow leopard' for example)


Go to http://www.otherworldcomputing.com/
You can get all manner of Mac stuff at decent prices there. I  
bought memory, an external hard drive and an external burner.


You said: "specs that 10.4.8 is the minimum OS needed."
The higher the number, the most recent the software is... kinds  
makes sense, right? So if you have something higher, like 10.4.11,  
that'll work. In other words 'minimum' really means 'equal to or  
greater than'


Re backing up, I use CDs, DVDs and an external hd... I can't be  
bothered with Time Machine, I do it all manually. I back up  
important stuff every day to the external HD, and then burn to CD/ 
DVD every couple of weeks (you should back up to more than one form  
of media since you never know when any given hard drive is going to  
die. Also have duplicate back-ups in more than one location... in  
some other residence I mean



Kathy K wrote:
I'm trying to do my homework before making a purchase, and I'm  
just ending up befuddled, and wondering if some kind folks on this  
list can clear things up for me.


I am running 10.4.11
2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2 GB Memory
Hard Drive Capacity: 232.57 GB, Available: 116.82 GB

I use this computer for graphic design/illustration, family  
photos, and internet-based games (social facebook kind of games).


I would like to get an external drive to back up all my graphics  
work and photos. I've been looking at the Seagate FreeAgent drives  
(1TB-2TB) but I'm seeing in the specs that 10.4.8 is the minimum  
OS needed. Is this just for the purpose of using TimeMachine? Or  
do I need 10.4.8 just to dump files on the drive?


Also, it seems any external drive will work with a Mac, it's just  
a matter of reformatting if it's a PC drive—correct? But do I  
really have to by a Mac drive to make use of TimeMachine? Will  
TimeMachine not recognize other Mac-formatted drives?


I was mainly looking at Seagate because of the 5yr warranty,  
decent reviews, and Mac compatibility. What other drives should I  
consider?


I would like to upgrade to 10.5 Leopard and perhaps later 10.6  
Snow Leopard. Couldn't I get one of these drives now, manually  
back up files to it by drag/drop, then upgrade to 10.5 and begin  
using TimeMachine then? Because a lot of my stuff is not backed up  
anywhere, I do want to back everything up before doing an OS upgrade.


Along with the OS upgrade, I'd also like to add 2 GB Memory, as  
this computer can be pretty sluggish. I currently have 1 GB in  
each of the two banks—so that means buying 2 new 2 GBs to replace  
the 2 1 GB.


I have also considered upgrading the external drive (faster and  
larger) but don't know what to do there.


I don't have loads of $ to spend, and also need to know that my  
graphics software is going to be compatible with the OS upgrade.  
(Adobe CS3, and InDesign CS2, Quark 7, Freehand MXa—yes, the suite  
needs upgrading and yes I'm still attached to Freehand.)


If you've read all the way through—I thank you. If you're  
considering a reply—I thank you doubly!


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Re: External Drive

[Bill Chapman]

FYI Quark 8 is a way different re interface than earlier versions... it 
mimics adobe modern interfaces, is very appealing. And it is far 
superior to InDesign re building Flash output; can do most of what Flash 
itself does right inside Quark... great if you're more of a print 
designer than web designer, since you won't have to learn Flash itself




Kathy K wrote:
It looks like Freehand might be OK—there is an updater that is 
supposed to remedy how Freehand starts up.
Quark, though it's unfortunate that I've spent $ on this software, I'd 
just as soon let it go. I really don't like Quark. Future clients will 
just have to deal with that. ;-) If I end up with an issue with CS2, 
then maybe I can get by with just an InDesign upgrade for now until I 
can upgrade the whole suite. ($799 to upgrade to CS5 from CS3.)


On Jun 1, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Run Vzel wrote:

Kathy K mailto:k...@spotart.net>> May 31 12:09PM -0700 
wrote:


>> I don't have loads of $ to spend, and also need to know that my  
>> graphics software is going to be compatible with the OS upgrade.  
>> (Adobe CS3, and InDesign CS2, Quark 7, Freehand MXa—yes, the suite  
>> needs upgrading and yes I'm still attached to Freehand.)


CS3 will be alright in 10.5, CS2 will break, Quark 7—don’t know, 
Freehand—don’t know.



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Re: External Drive

[Kathy K]

It looks like Freehand might be OK—there is an updater that is  
supposed to remedy how Freehand starts up.
Quark, though it's unfortunate that I've spent $ on this software,  
I'd just as soon let it go. I really don't like Quark. Future clients  
will just have to deal with that. ;-) If I end up with an issue with  
CS2, then maybe I can get by with just an InDesign upgrade for now  
until I can upgrade the whole suite. ($799 to upgrade to CS5 from CS3.)


On Jun 1, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Run Vzel wrote:


Kathy K  May 31 12:09PM -0700 wrote:

>> I don't have loads of $ to spend, and also need to know that my
>> graphics software is going to be compatible with the OS upgrade.
>> (Adobe CS3, and InDesign CS2, Quark 7, Freehand MXa—yes, the suite
>> needs upgrading and yes I'm still attached to Freehand.)

CS3 will be alright in 10.5, CS2 will break, Quark 7—don’t know,  
Freehand—don’t know.



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External Drive

[Run Vzel]

Kathy K  May 31 12:09PM -0700 wrote:

>> I don't have loads of $ to spend, and also need to know that my
>> graphics software is going to be compatible with the OS upgrade.
>> (Adobe CS3, and InDesign CS2, Quark 7, Freehand MXa‹yes, the suite
>> needs upgrading and yes I'm still attached to Freehand.)

CS3 will be alright in 10.5, CS2 will break, Quark 7‹don¹t know,
Freehand‹don¹t know.


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Re: External Drive

[Al Poulin]

On Jun 1, 2:59 pm, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

> It goes :
>
> Major.Major minor.minor.subminor (if you have that.) Each step is a whole 
> integer.
>
> Major is for truly significant changes: OS 7, OS 8, OS 9, OS 10
>
> Major minor is for significant changes within the major. 10.2, 10.4, 10.5, 
> etc.
>
> Apple has mostly, since OS 7.6, sold each of these as a paid upgrade. A few 
> were updates, like 8.0-8.1, 9.0-9.2.2 and 10.0-10.1, but 8.1 to 8.6 was paid, 
> and every OSX version since 10.2 was paid.
>
> Minor are the updates within a paid update, they're free (at least Apple's 
> are). 10.4.1-10.4.11 Eleven separate updates were shipped for 10.4 before 
> 10.5 was released.

To put  a finer point on this, Apple calls the versions one pays for,
such as 10.2, 10.6 "upgrades."  The free changes denoted with the
second decimal such as 10.6.2 are "updates."

Al Poulin

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Re: External Drive

[Bill Chapman]

You should be getting CS5 adobe stuff. Forget Tiger (10.4 and Leopard 
(10.5)... switch to Snow Leopard 10.6) pronto. But make sure your old 
adobe stuff will run on Snow Leopard (just google 'cs3 snow leopard' for 
example)


Go to http://www.otherworldcomputing.com/
You can get all manner of Mac stuff at decent prices there. I bought 
memory, an external hard drive and an external burner.


You said: "specs that 10.4.8 is the minimum OS needed."
The higher the number, the most recent the software is... kinds makes 
sense, right? So if you have something higher, like 10.4.11, that'll 
work. In other words 'minimum' really means 'equal to or greater than'


Re backing up, I use CDs, DVDs and an external hd... I can't be bothered 
with Time Machine, I do it all manually. I back up important stuff every 
day to the external HD, and then burn to CD/DVD every couple of weeks 
(you should back up to more than one form of media since you never know 
when any given hard drive is going to die. Also have duplicate back-ups 
in more than one location... in some other residence I mean



Kathy K wrote:
I'm trying to do my homework before making a purchase, and I'm just 
ending up befuddled, and wondering if some kind folks on this list can 
clear things up for me.


I am running 10.4.11
2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2 GB Memory
Hard Drive Capacity: 232.57 GB, Available: 116.82 GB

I use this computer for graphic design/illustration, family photos, 
and internet-based games (social facebook kind of games).


I would like to get an external drive to back up all my graphics work 
and photos. I've been looking at the Seagate FreeAgent drives 
(1TB-2TB) but I'm seeing in the specs that 10.4.8 is the minimum OS 
needed. Is this just for the purpose of using TimeMachine? Or do I 
need 10.4.8 just to dump files on the drive?


Also, it seems any external drive will work with a Mac, it's just a 
matter of reformatting if it's a PC drive—correct? But do I really 
have to by a Mac drive to make use of TimeMachine? Will TimeMachine 
not recognize other Mac-formatted drives?


I was mainly looking at Seagate because of the 5yr warranty, decent 
reviews, and Mac compatibility. What other drives should I consider?


I would like to upgrade to 10.5 Leopard and perhaps later 10.6 Snow 
Leopard. Couldn't I get one of these drives now, manually back up 
files to it by drag/drop, then upgrade to 10.5 and begin using 
TimeMachine then? Because a lot of my stuff is not backed up anywhere, 
I do want to back everything up before doing an OS upgrade.


Along with the OS upgrade, I'd also like to add 2 GB Memory, as this 
computer can be pretty sluggish. I currently have 1 GB in each of the 
two banks—so that means buying 2 new 2 GBs to replace the 2 1 GB.


I have also considered upgrading the external drive (faster and 
larger) but don't know what to do there.


I don't have loads of $ to spend, and also need to know that my 
graphics software is going to be compatible with the OS upgrade. 
(Adobe CS3, and InDesign CS2, Quark 7, Freehand MXa—yes, the suite 
needs upgrading and yes I'm still attached to Freehand.)


If you've read all the way through—I thank you. If you're considering 
a reply—I thank you doubly!


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Re: External Drive

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Kathy K wrote:

> And re the ten point four point eleven... good grief I'll be laughing at 
> myself about that for ages—but then who came up with that idea anyway?

It's actually a pretty standard version numbering style in the IT industry. 

It goes :

Major.Major minor.minor.subminor (if you have that.) Each step is a whole 
integer.

Major is for truly significant changes: OS 7, OS 8, OS 9, OS 10

Major minor is for significant changes within the major. 10.2, 10.4, 10.5, etc.

Apple has mostly, since OS 7.6, sold each of these as a paid upgrade. A few 
were updates, like 8.0-8.1, 9.0-9.2.2 and 10.0-10.1, but 8.1 to 8.6 was paid, 
and every OSX version since 10.2 was paid.

Minor are the updates within a paid update, they're free (at least Apple's 
are). 10.4.1-10.4.11 Eleven separate updates were shipped for 10.4 before 10.5 
was released.

Subminor (Apple doesn't use these, but other companies, like Oracle, do) 
usually means a bug fix that may be applicable only to a sub-population of 
users, or it may mean a very small, often single-issue update.

Not all companies use all the steps and what you pay for and what you get for 
free varies.

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Re: External Drive

[Kathy K]

Thank you Bruce and Glenn for your excellent information. Great  
advice as usual. And re the ten point four point eleven... good grief  
I'll be laughing at myself about that for ages—but then who came up  
with that idea anyway? Don't they know about the dewey decimal  
system? No wonder I can't keep all those wild feline names straight!  
There was a time when I thought I knew my Macs pretty well... but  
then that was around OS9. I better get over it.


On May 31, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On May 31, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Kathy K wrote:

I'm trying to do my homework before making a purchase, and I'm  
just ending up befuddled, and wondering if some kind folks on this  
list can clear things up for me.


I am running 10.4.11
2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2 GB Memory
Hard Drive Capacity: 232.57 GB, Available: 116.82 GB

I use this computer for graphic design/illustration, family  
photos, and internet-based games (social facebook kind of games).


I would like to get an external drive to back up all my graphics  
work and photos. I've been looking at the Seagate FreeAgent drives  
(1TB-2TB) but I'm seeing in the specs that 10.4.8 is the minimum  
OS needed. Is this just for the purpose of using TimeMachine? Or  
do I need 10.4.8 just to dump files on the drive?


This is probably for the purposes of the generally useless software  
on the Seagate drive.


Also you have a version greater than the one required, you have ten  
point four point eleven, not ten point four point one one.




Also, it seems any external drive will work with a Mac, it's just  
a matter of reformatting if it's a PC drive—correct?


If you want to use Time Machine, it has to be formatted HFS+, which  
Disk Utility does with no fuss whatsoever, and Time Machine will do  
automagically for you. Otherwise as just a drive to store stuff,  
most drives are formatted FAT32 (or DOS as Disk Utility calls it)  
and work out of the box. I've got a Freeagent Pro at home as my  
Time Machine volume, and a seagate drive in a noname box as a  
Carbon Copy CLoner backup (belt and suspenders type) and a Seagate  
Freeagent drive on my system at work. (An Intel Core Duo iMac)


I would like to upgrade to 10.5 Leopard and perhaps later 10.6  
Snow Leopard. Couldn't I get one of these drives now, manually  
back up files to it by drag/drop, then upgrade to 10.5 and begin  
using TimeMachine then?


Yes, although I'd use Carbon Copy Cloner to back it up.

Because a lot of my stuff is not backed up anywhere, I do want to  
back everything up before doing an OS upgrade.


Don't waste the money on 10.5, just go to 10.6; your iMac will run  
better.




Along with the OS upgrade, I'd also like to add 2 GB Memory, as  
this computer can be pretty sluggish. I currently have 1 GB in  
each of the two banks—so that means buying 2 new 2 GBs to replace  
the 2 1 GB.


Yes, which is why 1Gb SO-DIMMS are cheap as dirt everywhere :-/

I don't have loads of $ to spend, and also need to know that my  
graphics software is going to be compatible with the OS upgrade.  
(Adobe CS3, and InDesign CS2, Quark 7, Freehand MXa—yes, the suite  
needs upgrading and yes I'm still attached to Freehand.)


I know for a fact that the Adobe apps will work in 10.6, And I'm  
pretty sure that Freehand will...I've got a disk with an old copy  
around here. Quark I don't know about.


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Re: External Drive

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 31, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Kathy K wrote:

> I'm trying to do my homework before making a purchase, and I'm just ending up 
> befuddled, and wondering if some kind folks on this list can clear things up 
> for me.
> 
> I am running 10.4.11
> 2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
> 2 GB Memory
> Hard Drive Capacity: 232.57 GB, Available: 116.82 GB
> 
> I use this computer for graphic design/illustration, family photos, and 
> internet-based games (social facebook kind of games).
> 
> I would like to get an external drive to back up all my graphics work and 
> photos. I've been looking at the Seagate FreeAgent drives (1TB-2TB) but I'm 
> seeing in the specs that 10.4.8 is the minimum OS needed. Is this just for 
> the purpose of using TimeMachine? Or do I need 10.4.8 just to dump files on 
> the drive?

This is probably for the purposes of the generally useless software on the 
Seagate drive. 

Also you have a version greater than the one required, you have ten point four 
point eleven, not ten point four point one one.

> 
> Also, it seems any external drive will work with a Mac, it's just a matter of 
> reformatting if it's a PC drive—correct?

If you want to use Time Machine, it has to be formatted HFS+, which Disk 
Utility does with no fuss whatsoever, and Time Machine will do automagically 
for you. Otherwise as just a drive to store stuff, most drives are formatted 
FAT32 (or DOS as Disk Utility calls it) and work out of the box. I've got a 
Freeagent Pro at home as my Time Machine volume, and a seagate drive in a 
noname box as a Carbon Copy CLoner backup (belt and suspenders type) and a 
Seagate Freeagent drive on my system at work. (An Intel Core Duo iMac)
> 
> I would like to upgrade to 10.5 Leopard and perhaps later 10.6 Snow Leopard. 
> Couldn't I get one of these drives now, manually back up files to it by 
> drag/drop, then upgrade to 10.5 and begin using TimeMachine then?

Yes, although I'd use Carbon Copy Cloner to back it up.

> Because a lot of my stuff is not backed up anywhere, I do want to back 
> everything up before doing an OS upgrade.

Don't waste the money on 10.5, just go to 10.6; your iMac will run better.

> 
> Along with the OS upgrade, I'd also like to add 2 GB Memory, as this computer 
> can be pretty sluggish. I currently have 1 GB in each of the two banks—so 
> that means buying 2 new 2 GBs to replace the 2 1 GB.

Yes, which is why 1Gb SO-DIMMS are cheap as dirt everywhere :-/

> I don't have loads of $ to spend, and also need to know that my graphics 
> software is going to be compatible with the OS upgrade. (Adobe CS3, and 
> InDesign CS2, Quark 7, Freehand MXa—yes, the suite needs upgrading and yes 
> I'm still attached to Freehand.)

I know for a fact that the Adobe apps will work in 10.6, And I'm pretty sure 
that Freehand will...I've got a disk with an old copy around here. Quark I 
don't know about.

-- 
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"Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai,  PhD

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Re: External Drive

[Glenn Peterson]

Kathy,

I am going to try to answer some of the HD questions that you have.  The
Adobe issues will have to be answered by someone much more aware of that
then I am.

I have used numerous external HD¹s with my mac, they do work very well
most of the time.  Everything but a Seagate unfortunately.  I do not know
about the 10.4.8 minimum requirement but it is not for Time Machine, that
arrived with 10.5 to my knowledge.  Some external HD¹s require the Intel CPU
to be able to draw enough power once they are plugged in, keep that in mind.

You can format a pc hard drive as a mac format using Disk Utility but if
you have a choice I would not purchase a hd that does not list the Mac OS as
one of it¹s requirements unless you don¹t mind taking it back to the store
if there is an issue.

The most important thing you can do is get something to backup on right
now even if it¹s just a flash drive or cheap one and you pickup a different
one later.  Most computers are a power hiccup or an oops away from data
disaster.  Backup onto something today if you have not done so previously
and put it into your regular activities however you decide to do it.  You
can use TM later after you have done your update.

Glenn


On 5/31/10 12:09 PM, "Kathy K"  wrote:

>  I'm trying to do my homework before making a purchase, and I'm just ending up
> befuddled, and wondering if some kind folks on this list can clear things up
> for me.
> 
> I am running 10.4.11
> 2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
> 2 GB Memory
> Hard Drive Capacity: 232.57 GB, Available: 116.82 GB
> 
> I use this computer for graphic design/illustration, family photos, and
> internet-based games (social facebook kind of games).
> 
> I would like to get an external drive to back up all my graphics work and
> photos. I've been looking at the Seagate FreeAgent drives (1TB-2TB) but I'm
> seeing in the specs that 10.4.8 is the minimum OS needed. Is this just for the
> purpose of using TimeMachine? Or do I need 10.4.8 just to dump files on the
> drive?
> 
> Also, it seems any external drive will work with a Mac, it's just a matter of
> reformatting if it's a PC drive‹correct? But do I really have to by a Mac
> drive to make use of TimeMachine? Will TimeMachine not recognize other
> Mac-formatted drives?
> 
> I was mainly looking at Seagate because of the 5yr warranty, decent reviews,
> and Mac compatibility. What other drives should I consider?
> 
> I would like to upgrade to 10.5 Leopard and perhaps later 10.6 Snow Leopard.
> Couldn't I get one of these drives now, manually back up files to it by
> drag/drop, then upgrade to 10.5 and begin using TimeMachine then? Because a
> lot of my stuff is not backed up anywhere, I do want to back everything up
> before doing an OS upgrade.
> 
> Along with the OS upgrade, I'd also like to add 2 GB Memory, as this computer
> can be pretty sluggish. I currently have 1 GB in each of the two banks‹so that
> means buying 2 new 2 GBs to replace the 2 1 GB.
> 
> I have also considered upgrading the external drive (faster and larger) but
> don't know what to do there.
> 
> I don't have loads of $ to spend, and also need to know that my graphics
> software is going to be compatible with the OS upgrade. (Adobe CS3, and
> InDesign CS2, Quark 7, Freehand MXa‹yes, the suite needs upgrading and yes I'm
> still attached to Freehand.)
> 
> If you've read all the way through‹I thank you. If you're considering a
> reply‹I thank you doubly!
> 
> Kathy K
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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External Drive

[Kathy K]

I'm trying to do my homework before making a purchase, and I'm just  
ending up befuddled, and wondering if some kind folks on this list  
can clear things up for me.


I am running 10.4.11
2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2 GB Memory
Hard Drive Capacity: 232.57 GB, Available: 116.82 GB

I use this computer for graphic design/illustration, family photos,  
and internet-based games (social facebook kind of games).


I would like to get an external drive to back up all my graphics work  
and photos. I've been looking at the Seagate FreeAgent drives  
(1TB-2TB) but I'm seeing in the specs that 10.4.8 is the minimum OS  
needed. Is this just for the purpose of using TimeMachine? Or do I  
need 10.4.8 just to dump files on the drive?


Also, it seems any external drive will work with a Mac, it's just a  
matter of reformatting if it's a PC drive—correct? But do I really  
have to by a Mac drive to make use of TimeMachine? Will TimeMachine  
not recognize other Mac-formatted drives?


I was mainly looking at Seagate because of the 5yr warranty, decent  
reviews, and Mac compatibility. What other drives should I consider?


I would like to upgrade to 10.5 Leopard and perhaps later 10.6 Snow  
Leopard. Couldn't I get one of these drives now, manually back up  
files to it by drag/drop, then upgrade to 10.5 and begin using  
TimeMachine then? Because a lot of my stuff is not backed up  
anywhere, I do want to back everything up before doing an OS upgrade.


Along with the OS upgrade, I'd also like to add 2 GB Memory, as this  
computer can be pretty sluggish. I currently have 1 GB in each of the  
two banks—so that means buying 2 new 2 GBs to replace the 2 1 GB.


I have also considered upgrading the external drive (faster and  
larger) but don't know what to do there.


I don't have loads of $ to spend, and also need to know that my  
graphics software is going to be compatible with the OS upgrade.  
(Adobe CS3, and InDesign CS2, Quark 7, Freehand MXa—yes, the suite  
needs upgrading and yes I'm still attached to Freehand.)


If you've read all the way through—I thank you. If you're considering  
a reply—I thank you doubly!


Kathy K







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Re: booting 20" G4 iMac to external drive

[Robert Pangrazio]

My previous response was very cryptic, sorry about that.

If you can tell me what the directory is that the music is in, I can give
you better step by step instructions.

Or how much space do you have free on your mac books hd?


On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Robert Pangrazio wrote:

> The suggestion I would make is from a unix standpoint.
>
> Open terminal(in Applications/Terminal)
>
> change to the directory containing your music folder.
>
> sudo cp - R (name of music folder) ~
> sudo chmod -R 777 (name of music folder)
>
>
> That will give you access to the folder in your home directory on your mac
> book.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Patrick  wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for the help, Jaal & Ashgrove!
>> I tried a couple of the options from Jaal's link:
>> Bypass startup drive and boot from external (or CD) CMD-OPT-SHIFT-
>> DELETE
>> Boot from CD (Most late model Apples) . C
>>
>> Start in Firewire drive mode... T
>>
>> The 1st & 2nd didn't do anything, but the "T" put it into Firewire
>> drive mode. I tried Disk Utility (running from my MacBook), and it
>> looked (according to DU) like I was fixin' stuff. But it still can't
>> boot from the internal HD (perhaps the System is trashed?).
>> Next, I decided to see if I could access the tunes from my MacBook.
>> While I can find the Music folders after opening the User folder, I
>> don't have permission to access the Music Folder content.
>> How do I login to User Accounts on the iMac internal HD when I'm
>> accessing it via FireWire drive mode, from my MacBook. I don't see
>> where I can input the appropriate passwords.
>> Further suggestions?
>> Patrick
>>
>> PS When I wrote
>> On Nov 10, 3:44 pm, "./aal"  wrote:
>>  My wife suddenly wants to load
>> > > up her iPod Touch with tunes she had on the old iMac, but I'm getting
>> > > an "infinite" blue screen  when I try to boot it up.
>> It is not a blue screen, but rather a light gray screen, with a big
>> gray apple, and the "pinwheel" just keeps spinning ... I think the OS
>> is 10.4.11
>> >>
>>
>

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Re: booting 20" G4 iMac to external drive

[Robert Pangrazio]

The suggestion I would make is from a unix standpoint.

Open terminal(in Applications/Terminal)

change to the directory containing your music folder.

sudo cp - R (name of music folder) ~
sudo chmod -R 777 (name of music folder)


That will give you access to the folder in your home directory on your mac
book.


On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Patrick  wrote:

>
> Thanks for the help, Jaal & Ashgrove!
> I tried a couple of the options from Jaal's link:
> Bypass startup drive and boot from external (or CD) CMD-OPT-SHIFT-
> DELETE
> Boot from CD (Most late model Apples) . C
>
> Start in Firewire drive mode... T
>
> The 1st & 2nd didn't do anything, but the "T" put it into Firewire
> drive mode. I tried Disk Utility (running from my MacBook), and it
> looked (according to DU) like I was fixin' stuff. But it still can't
> boot from the internal HD (perhaps the System is trashed?).
> Next, I decided to see if I could access the tunes from my MacBook.
> While I can find the Music folders after opening the User folder, I
> don't have permission to access the Music Folder content.
> How do I login to User Accounts on the iMac internal HD when I'm
> accessing it via FireWire drive mode, from my MacBook. I don't see
> where I can input the appropriate passwords.
> Further suggestions?
> Patrick
>
> PS When I wrote
> On Nov 10, 3:44 pm, "./aal"  wrote:
>  My wife suddenly wants to load
> > > up her iPod Touch with tunes she had on the old iMac, but I'm getting
> > > an "infinite" blue screen  when I try to boot it up.
> It is not a blue screen, but rather a light gray screen, with a big
> gray apple, and the "pinwheel" just keeps spinning ... I think the OS
> is 10.4.11
> >
>

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Re: booting 20" G4 iMac to external drive

[Patrick]

Thanks for the help, Jaal & Ashgrove!
I tried a couple of the options from Jaal's link:
Bypass startup drive and boot from external (or CD) CMD-OPT-SHIFT-
DELETE
Boot from CD (Most late model Apples) . C

Start in Firewire drive mode... T

The 1st & 2nd didn't do anything, but the "T" put it into Firewire
drive mode. I tried Disk Utility (running from my MacBook), and it
looked (according to DU) like I was fixin' stuff. But it still can't
boot from the internal HD (perhaps the System is trashed?).
Next, I decided to see if I could access the tunes from my MacBook.
While I can find the Music folders after opening the User folder, I
don't have permission to access the Music Folder content.
How do I login to User Accounts on the iMac internal HD when I'm
accessing it via FireWire drive mode, from my MacBook. I don't see
where I can input the appropriate passwords.
Further suggestions?
Patrick

PS When I wrote
On Nov 10, 3:44 pm, "./aal"  wrote:
 My wife suddenly wants to load
> > up her iPod Touch with tunes she had on the old iMac, but I'm getting
> > an "infinite" blue screen  when I try to boot it up.
It is not a blue screen, but rather a light gray screen, with a big
gray apple, and the "pinwheel" just keeps spinning ... I think the OS
is 10.4.11
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Re: booting 20" G4 iMac to external drive

[Ashgrove]

Patrick,

G4 Macs can be booted from an external FW drive, but not USB.
Theoretically, it's possible to bypass that limitation by pressing
"Option" during boot time and choosing the USB drive, but that has
never worked for me.

If the internal drive is gone, the iMac will search for a bootable
volume and will boot directly from the FW. If that doesn't happen, try
the "Option" key routine. You could also use a utility like Disk
Warrior to find out if the internal HDD can be saved --I have seen it
work miracles. (Of course, once a HDD is really dead, it's bye-bye
time.)

Hope it helps.

Felix



On Nov 10, 3:40 pm, Patrick  wrote:
> Hi, My ol' G4 20" iMac has been collecting dust as family members seem
> to prefer the convenience of laptops. My wife suddenly wants to load
> up her iPod Touch with tunes she had on the old iMac, but I'm getting
> an "infinite" blue screen  when I try to boot it up. Perhaps the
> internal HD is fried. If the internal battery is dead, could that
> cause it not to boot?
> Anyway, I was hoping to boot the machine up with an external HD (an
> old clone of the internal HD has some of the tunes she wants) but
> haven't been successful. So:
> What are the appropriate key combinations to get a booting iMac to
> find an external HD and boot from that? Are either FW or USB
> appropriate?
> Thanks -- it's terrible forgetting basic troubleshooting techniques!
> Patrick
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Re: booting 20" G4 iMac to external drive

[./aal]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Patrick  wrote:
>
> Hi, My ol' G4 20" iMac has been collecting dust as family members seem
> to prefer the convenience of laptops. My wife suddenly wants to load
> up her iPod Touch with tunes she had on the old iMac, but I'm getting
> an "infinite" blue screen  when I try to boot it up. Perhaps the
> internal HD is fried. If the internal battery is dead, could that
> cause it not to boot?
> Anyway, I was hoping to boot the machine up with an external HD (an
> old clone of the internal HD has some of the tunes she wants) but
> haven't been successful. So:
> What are the appropriate key combinations to get a booting iMac to
> find an external HD and boot from that? Are either FW or USB
> appropriate?
> Thanks -- it's terrible forgetting basic troubleshooting techniques!
> Patrick

I searched google
I found this at the top of the list
http://www.jacsoft.co.nz/Tech_Notes/Mac_Keys.htm



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booting 20" G4 iMac to external drive

[Patrick]

Hi, My ol' G4 20" iMac has been collecting dust as family members seem
to prefer the convenience of laptops. My wife suddenly wants to load
up her iPod Touch with tunes she had on the old iMac, but I'm getting
an "infinite" blue screen  when I try to boot it up. Perhaps the
internal HD is fried. If the internal battery is dead, could that
cause it not to boot?
Anyway, I was hoping to boot the machine up with an external HD (an
old clone of the internal HD has some of the tunes she wants) but
haven't been successful. So:
What are the appropriate key combinations to get a booting iMac to
find an external HD and boot from that? Are either FW or USB
appropriate?
Thanks -- it's terrible forgetting basic troubleshooting techniques!
Patrick
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