Re: adware solution for leopard

[GMail Valter Psicof]

Il giorno 20/08/17 03:03, "Christopher Collins" ha scritto:

> You are actually running Snow Leopard 10.6.8.
> 
> If you¹re using Chrome, go to the Chrome web Store and download the extension
> Adblock Plus from adblockplus.org <http://adblockplus.org/>. It¹s about the
> best ad blocker there is.

And if you're using Firefox instead, you can use either AdBlockPlus or
uBlock Origin.
Personally, I used ABP for a while, but then I switched to UBO because I had
problems with the former, besides UBO seems less resource-hungry and it's
Open Source (always a plus in my book).


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Re: adware solution for leopard

[Christopher Collins]

Hi Fred,

You are actually running Snow Leopard 10.6.8.

If you’re using Chrome, go to the Chrome web Store and download the extension 
Adblock Plus from adblockplus.org <http://adblockplus.org/>. It’s about the 
best ad blocker there is.

Christopher

> On 20 Aug 2017, at 4:55 am, Fred Thiel  wrote:
> 
> I am running Leopard 10.6.8 and am having annoying pop-up ads. Is there an 
> application for 10.6.8 running Google Chrome to fix this? 
> Thanks
> Fred

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adware solution for leopard

[Fred Thiel]

I am running Leopard 10.6.8 and am having annoying pop-up ads. Is there an 
application for 10.6.8 running Google Chrome to fix this? ThanksFred

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Re: Running Snow Leopard Server

[Al Poulin]

Bruce,

Thank you for your direct answer to my question, plus for the additional info.

I’ll try working the Virtual Box route.

Al Poulin

> On Dec 3, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Bruce Johnson  
> wrote:
> 
> Not as far as I know. Apple specifically allowed virtualization of SL Server, 
> provided it was running on an OS X host, so all three VM programs will 
> prevent you from installing the client SL.
> 
> That said, the major differences between Server and Client were the 
> additional GUI server tools for  managing the various services and the 
> removal of the simultaneous AFS connection limit in client.
> 
> Aside from not being able to provide more than 10 simultaneous AFS file 
> service connections, client can run any server service that Server can, you 
> just have to use traditional Unix command-line tools to manage and configure 
> them.
> 
> This 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_Server#Mac_OS_X_Server_10.6_.28Snow_Leopard_Server.29>
>  
> lists the underlying services, in the ‘Technial Specs’ section of what OSS 
> tools are used for services in OS X Server.
> 
>> On Dec 3, 2016, at 6:17 AM, Al Poulin  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Bruce,
>> 
>> And could I install the client SL to run my legacy FMP instead of using the 
>> SL server?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Al Poulin
>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Bruce Johnson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Al Poulin  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A couple questions.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I have an iMac (24-inch, Early 2009) which runs Snow Leopard OS X 10.6.8 
>>>> on one partition and El Capitan OS X 10. 11.6 on another partition.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I have a shrink-wrapped Mac OS X Server V10.6.3  Rev 1.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Can I install the Snow Leopard server on the El Capitan partition so that 
>>>> I can launch and use my legacy version FileMaker Pro 8.0v3? This FMP will 
>>>> not launch in El Capitan.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> VirtualBox, Parallels And VMWare Fusion will let you install SL Server in a 
>>> VM under El Capitan. 
>>> 
>>> <https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-install-OS-X-Snow-Leopard-on-a-virtual-machine-thats-running-on-a-MacBook-Pro>
>>> 
>>> Here’s directions for VMWare 
>>> <http://partnerweb.vmware.com/GOSIG/MacOSX_10_6.html>
>>> 
>>> Here’s info for VirtualBox <https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes>
>>> 
>>> This is probably the best way to go. VB is a robust VM system, and it’s 
>>> free.
>>> 
>>>> Next year, I will buy a new iMac. I believe I cannot install the client 
>>>> Snow Leopard on it. Will I be able to install the Snow Leopard server?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> You’re correct you cannot install Snow Leopard on it; nor can you install 
>>> SL Server on it, directly.
>>> 
>>> You will be able to install SL Server in VB, Parallels or VMWare Fusion VM's
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Running Snow Leopard Server

[Bruce Johnson]

Not as far as I know. Apple specifically allowed virtualization of SL Server, 
provided it was running on an OS X host, so all three VM programs will prevent 
you from installing the client SL.

That said, the major differences between Server and Client were the additional 
GUI server tools for  managing the various services and the removal of the 
simultaneous AFS connection limit in client.

Aside from not being able to provide more than 10 simultaneous AFS file service 
connections, client can run any server service that Server can, you just have 
to use traditional Unix command-line tools to manage and configure them.

This 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_Server#Mac_OS_X_Server_10.6_.28Snow_Leopard_Server.29>
 
lists the underlying services, in the ‘Technial Specs’ section of what OSS 
tools are used for services in OS X Server.

> On Dec 3, 2016, at 6:17 AM, Al Poulin  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Bruce,
> 
> And could I install the client SL to run my legacy FMP instead of using the 
> SL server?
> 
> Thanks
> Al Poulin
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Bruce Johnson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Al Poulin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A couple questions.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have an iMac (24-inch, Early 2009) which runs Snow Leopard OS X 10.6.8 on 
>>> one partition and El Capitan OS X 10. 11.6 on another partition.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have a shrink-wrapped Mac OS X Server V10.6.3  Rev 1.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can I install the Snow Leopard server on the El Capitan partition so that I 
>>> can launch and use my legacy version FileMaker Pro 8.0v3? This FMP will not 
>>> launch in El Capitan.
>>> 
>>> 
>> VirtualBox, Parallels And VMWare Fusion will let you install SL Server in a 
>> VM under El Capitan. 
>> 
>> <https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-install-OS-X-Snow-Leopard-on-a-virtual-machine-thats-running-on-a-MacBook-Pro>
>> 
>> Here’s directions for VMWare 
>> <http://partnerweb.vmware.com/GOSIG/MacOSX_10_6.html>
>> 
>> Here’s info for VirtualBox <https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes>
>> 
>> This is probably the best way to go. VB is a robust VM system, and it’s free.
>> 
>>> Next year, I will buy a new iMac. I believe I cannot install the client 
>>> Snow Leopard on it. Will I be able to install the Snow Leopard server?
>>> 
>> 
>> You’re correct you cannot install Snow Leopard on it; nor can you install SL 
>> Server on it, directly.
>> 
>> You will be able to install SL Server in VB, Parallels or VMWare Fusion VM's
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Running Snow Leopard Server

[Al Poulin]

Thank you Bruce,

And could I install the client SL to run my legacy FMP instead of using the SL 
server?

Thanks
Al Poulin

> On Dec 2, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Bruce Johnson  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Al Poulin > <mailto:alfred.pou...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> 
>> A couple questions.
>> 
>> 
>> I have an iMac (24-inch, Early 2009) which runs Snow Leopard OS X 10.6.8 on 
>> one partition and El Capitan OS X 10. 11.6 on another partition.
>> 
>> 
>> I have a shrink-wrapped Mac OS X Server V10.6.3  Rev 1.
>> 
>> 
>> Can I install the Snow Leopard server on the El Capitan partition so that I 
>> can launch and use my legacy version FileMaker Pro 8.0v3? This FMP will not 
>> launch in El Capitan.
>> 
>> 
> VirtualBox, Parallels And VMWare Fusion will let you install SL Server in a 
> VM under El Capitan. 
> 
> <https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-install-OS-X-Snow-Leopard-on-a-virtual-machine-thats-running-on-a-MacBook-Pro
>  
> <https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-install-OS-X-Snow-Leopard-on-a-virtual-machine-thats-running-on-a-MacBook-Pro>>
> 
> Here’s directions for VMWare 
> <http://partnerweb.vmware.com/GOSIG/MacOSX_10_6.html 
> <http://partnerweb.vmware.com/GOSIG/MacOSX_10_6.html>>
> 
> Here’s info for VirtualBox <https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes 
> <https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes>>
> 
> This is probably the best way to go. VB is a robust VM system, and it’s free.
> 
>> Next year, I will buy a new iMac. I believe I cannot install the client Snow 
>> Leopard on it. Will I be able to install the Snow Leopard server?
>> 
> 
> You’re correct you cannot install Snow Leopard on it; nor can you install SL 
> Server on it, directly.
> 
> You will be able to install SL Server in VB, Parallels or VMWare Fusion VM's
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Running Snow Leopard Server

[Bruce Johnson]

On Dec 2, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Al Poulin 
mailto:alfred.pou...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hello,


A couple questions.


I have an iMac (24-inch, Early 2009) which runs Snow Leopard OS X 10.6.8 on one 
partition and El Capitan OS X 10. 11.6 on another partition.


I have a shrink-wrapped Mac OS X Server V10.6.3  Rev 1.


Can I install the Snow Leopard server on the El Capitan partition so that I can 
launch and use my legacy version FileMaker Pro 8.0v3? This FMP will not launch 
in El Capitan.

VirtualBox, Parallels And VMWare Fusion will let you install SL Server in a VM 
under El Capitan.

<https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-install-OS-X-Snow-Leopard-on-a-virtual-machine-thats-running-on-a-MacBook-Pro>

Here’s directions for VMWare 
<http://partnerweb.vmware.com/GOSIG/MacOSX_10_6.html>

Here’s info for VirtualBox <https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes>

This is probably the best way to go. VB is a robust VM system, and it’s free.


Next year, I will buy a new iMac. I believe I cannot install the client Snow 
Leopard on it. Will I be able to install the Snow Leopard server?

You’re correct you cannot install Snow Leopard on it; nor can you install SL 
Server on it, directly.

You will be able to install SL Server in VB, Parallels or VMWare Fusion VM's



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Running Snow Leopard Server

[Al Poulin]

Hello,


A couple questions.


I have an iMac (24-inch, Early 2009) which runs Snow Leopard OS X 10.6.8 on 
one partition and El Capitan OS X 10. 11.6 on another partition.


I have a shrink-wrapped Mac OS X Server V10.6.3  Rev 1.


Can I install the Snow Leopard server on the El Capitan partition so that I 
can launch and use my legacy version FileMaker Pro 8.0v3? This FMP will not 
launch in El Capitan.


Next year, I will buy a new iMac. I believe I cannot install the client 
Snow Leopard on it. Will I be able to install the Snow Leopard server?


Thanks,

Al Poulin

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Re: Leopard

[Alex Sciortino]

10.2 is slow. Panther and Tiger are a lot better. 

As far as I know there isn't. Even if there was it would be so dreadfully slow 
you would want to throw it out the window. OS 10.2 felt slow on my 400 MHz iMac 
with a gig of ram, so I'm sure Leopard would be worse. 

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Re: Leopard

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 29, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Alex Sciortino wrote:

> Thanks, Do you think a custom kernel would get it to boot? If I remember 
> right there is a custom kernel for the G3. 

No there isn't. There may be a G3-optimized Darwin, but OS X is a microkernel 
architecture; 'customized kernel' is something from monolithic kernel 
architectures like Linux. You cannot get around the fact that 10.5 makes system 
calls to hardware that does not exist on a G3 CPU. 

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Re: Leopard

[Christopher Satterfield]

As far as I know there isn't. Even if there was it would be so dreadfully
slow you would want to throw it out the window. OS 10.2 felt slow on my 400
MHz iMac with a gig of ram, so I'm sure Leopard would be worse.

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Re: Leopard

[Alex Sciortino]

It currently runs Tiger. I have ran Leopard on a 400mhz G4 it is just removing 
the need for AltiVec at this point. 
On May 29, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Peter Haller  wrote:

> While, it is basically impossible within reason, and I'm assuming you meant 
> OS X 10.5.  Either way, these are the MINIMUM requirements for Leopard, and 
> your G3 would require a complete overhaul just to run it at its minimum. 
>   A Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or Power PC G4 (867 MHz or 
> faster) processor
> 512 MB memory or more
> A DVD drive for installation
> 9 GB of available disk space or more 
> However, you could try to put something like 10.2 ( Jaguar) on it, but that's 
> just about as far as I would go.
> 
> Best Regards,
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Re: Leopard

[Alex Sciortino]

Thanks, Do you think a custom kernel would get it to boot? If I remember right 
there is a custom kernel for the G3. 
> 
> There are 4 400MHz G3 iMacs 3 have Firewire ports If you have a F/W port then 
> make a Carbon Copy Clone of the 10.5 system and use Target Disk Mode with a 
> Fire Wire cable to transfer the cloned file to the G3, Good luck getting it 
> to boot.

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Re: Leopard

[Peter Haller]

While, it is basically impossible within reason, and I'm assuming you meant OS 
X 10.5.  Either way, these are the MINIMUM requirements for Leopard, and your 
G3 would require a complete overhaul just to run it at its minimum. 
   A Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or Power PC G4 (867 MHz or faster) 
processor
512 MB memory or more
A DVD drive for installation
9 GB of available disk space or more 
However, you could try to put something like 10.2 ( Jaguar) on it, but that's 
just about as far as I would go.

Best Regards,
  Peter


On May 28, 2012, at 10:43 PM, Alex Sciortino  wrote:

> I

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Re: Leopard

[John Carmonne]

On May 28, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Alex Sciortino wrote:

> How can I get Leopard on a 400mhz iMac G3? I know it is impractical, but I 
> want to do it. 
> 
 


There are 4 400MHz G3 iMacs 3 have Firewire ports If you have a F/W port then 
make a Carbon Copy Clone of the 10.5 system and use Target Disk Mode with a 
Fire Wire cable to transfer the cloned file to the G3, Good luck getting it to 
boot.




John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem






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Re: Leopard

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 28, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Alex Sciortino wrote:

> How can I get Leopard on a 400mhz iMac G3? I know it is impractical, but I 
> want to do it. 


You can't. It's not merely impractical, it's not possible.

Leopard on PPC requires Altivec, which is only present in the G4 and above..

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Leopard

[Alex Sciortino]

How can I get Leopard on a 400mhz iMac G3? I know it is impractical, but I want 
to do it. 

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Aussie snow leopard con't......

[madamekelly]

Well after spending 4 days and $1,100 for upgrades, exterior hard
drive, Ipad, and additional USB ports, I was contacted by Apple
corporation today. It seems that they record the tech support calls,
and when my call from Monday evening was reviewed, they found an error
in the information I was given. The real reason that the
aforementioned "aussie disc" was spit out when inserted, was  because
I needed to upgrade to leopard first. Since I spent money based on
their statements, they will be giving me leopard for free, and
refunding the money I spent on the extra snow leopard software! They
are even going to do all the work for me, to apologize. What a
company! Thank you all for all of your assistance. You are all very
special people. (You were smart enough to buy a mac!)  Thank you so
much. -Kelly

BTW- You were all right, Aussie discs do work in America! Silly tech
support fella!

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Re: Aussie snow leopard

[Brian Christmas]

G'day all

First, Kelly, I'm sorry the disk did not mount. It's been used a lot in the 
past, and may be scratched, or have finger prints on it. Try cleaning it with a 
cotton rag or clothing.

Second, Chris, the disk is an original Snow Leopard install disk, in the 
original box.

Regards

Santa



On 03/05/2012, at 9:34 AM, Christopher Satterfield wrote:

I find it interesting that it would take the disk then spit it out. Is the disk 
a white disk that looks like one that would show up in a Google Image Search 
for "Snow Leopard DVD", or is it a grey disk that says "Mac OS Restore" or a 
copied disk?

One thing to try would also inserting the disk while the system is running and 
going to (I believe, I'm on a PC right now), Apple Menu>System 
Preferences>Startup Disk and selecting the SL disk as the starup disk then 
hitting restart.


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Re: Aussie snow leopard

[Christopher Satterfield]

I find it interesting that it would take the disk then spit it out. Is the
disk a white disk that looks like one that would show up in a Google Image
Search for "Snow Leopard DVD", or is it a grey disk that says "Mac OS
Restore" or a copied disk?

One thing to try would also inserting the disk while the system is running
and going to (I believe, I'm on a PC right now), Apple Menu>System
Preferences>Startup Disk and selecting the SL disk as the starup disk then
hitting restart.

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Aussie snow leopard

[madamekelly]

When I insert the disk into my imac, it sounds like it is going to
work, then after about a minute, it is ejected. No icon, nothing. I
just ordered a new one. Wish me luck.

I did add an external hard drive to backup all of my files before
starting this process. While backing up my files, I somehow "lost" my
I-tunes folder with 3455 songs on it!  After a complete personal
meltdown, I started searching the hard drive and found the folder in
my apps file, thank God.  I do appreciate all of you who have offered
your kind assistance. If you look up "Compudufus" in the urban
dictionary, you will know who I am. :)  -Kelly

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Re: Snow Leopard

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 30, 2012, at 9:58 PM, Brian Christmas wrote:

> 
> G'day Listers
> 
> Several weeks ago I sent Kelly a copy of Snow Leopard from Australia to her 
> address in the US.
> 
> She has just advised me that an Apple Tech support person had told her that 
> Aussie software won't work on USA Macs.


You just have to put the disc in upside down and it works just fine 8-P

OS X discs are universal, all she has to do is select US language at install.

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Re: Snow Leopard

[Christopher Satterfield]

As far as I know it will work, we purchased a French Snow Leopard Upgrade
disk and it went right on through the install fine in English on iMacs that
shipped with US 10.5 originally. The French one was $20 cheaper for some
reason and it worked fine, just french labels.

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Snow Leopard

[Brian Christmas]

G'day Listers

Several weeks ago I sent Kelly a copy of Snow Leopard from Australia to her 
address in the US.

She has just advised me that an Apple Tech support person had told her that 
Aussie software won't work on USA Macs.

Whist I disbelieve this as a fact, does any wise head than mine agree?

>From memory, the install process asks for a keyboard arrangement, one of which 
>is USA, and an install Country, again one of which is USA.

Regards

Santa

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Re: Suucessfully upgraded emac to Leopard, but "mail" will not work?

[Joshua Juran]

On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


On Dec 22, 2010, at 4:21 PM, vinman wrote:


I managed to buy a copy of Leopard, inserted 1gb of memory and have
got my emac functioning nicely with it but seem to have a problem  
with

the mail client. Seems not to have recognised the smtp details
although they seem correct in "connection doctor". any advice very
welcome. i have done a further software update also to incorporate  
all

the most recent non intel updates.


Well, the most common error with this is that Mail will  
automagically enter your username and password, and attempt to use  
authenticated SMTP; if your ISP doesn't support that, then sending  
mail will fail, even though Connection Doctor says it's OK.


I've never allowed Mail to do this.  I always enter a bogus password  
so it will fail and force manual configuration because I don't have  
reason to believe that automatic setup is making a secure connection.



Finally this is why I love, Love LOVE!!!11!Eleventy!! IMAP mail.

Got a problem with an account on a machine? Just delete it, and  
recreate it. All the mail lives on the server so you don't lose  
anything.


Deleting a message from an IMAP mailbox in Mail (at least in Leopard)  
is not Undo-able.  Sure, you can fish it out of the Trash, if you know  
which one it was and can find it, but that's not Undo.


Josh


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Re: Suucessfully upgraded emac to Leopard, but "mail" will not work?

[vinman]

Bruce,
 Thanks looks like you may have hit the nai on the head and
yes the gmail looks tempting. I am using the yahoo remote webmail
presently but I do not like the browser, very windowsy.
   atb,  and compliments of the season J

On Dec 23, 4:22 pm, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:
> On Dec 22, 2010, at 4:21 PM, vinman wrote:
>
> > I managed to buy a copy of Leopard, inserted 1gb of memory and have
> > got my emac functioning nicely with it but seem to have a problem with
> > the mail client. Seems not to have recognised the smtp details
> > although they seem correct in "connection doctor". any advice very
> > welcome. i have done a further software update also to incorporate all
> > the most recent non intel updates.
>
> Well, the most common error with this is that Mail will automagically enter 
> your username and password, and attempt to use authenticated SMTP; if your 
> ISP doesn't support that, then sending mail will fail, even though Connection 
> Doctor says it's OK.
>
> Double check with your ISP all the correct SMTP settings (you can edit these 
> in Mail > Preferences > Accounts, and select 'Edit' from the Outgoing server 
> dropdown menu.
>
> Delete the outgoing server, and re-add it (in the same place you check the 
> settings.)
>
> If it still doesn't work, download and install Thunderbird and see if that 
> works, if it does, re-apply the latest *Combo* update for your OS. This may 
> fix what's broken with Mail. You can delete thunderbird if you want, after 
> that.
>
> Finally this is why I love, Love LOVE!!!11!Eleventy!! IMAP mail.
>
> Got a problem with an account on a machine? Just delete it, and recreate it. 
> All the mail lives on the server so you don't lose anything.
>
> Also I can always read all my email whether I'm using my work desktop, my 
> home desktop, my laptop, my netbook, my iPod, some strangers system (using 
> our webmail); this is why Gmail rocks, they let you do this.
>
> --
> Bruce Johnson
> University of Arizona
> College of Pharmacy
> Information Technology Group
>
> Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs

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Re: Suucessfully upgraded emac to Leopard, but "mail" will not work?

[vinman]

Al,
 Many thanks for your detailed response. I have pretty much done
what you have suggested. I have not lost the archive from panther
which was the previous os.It all worked well then but yes i can access
my ISP webmail so can send and receive by that route but its far
easier using mail. For some reason addresses and passwords have been
messed up and i am messing them up further trying to fix it. I shall
get onto BT after the holiday and get them to talk me through.
compliments of the season thanks again J

On Dec 23, 3:55 pm, Al Poulin  wrote:
> On Dec 22, 6:21 pm, vinman  wrote:
>
> > I managed to buy a copy of Leopard, inserted 1gb of memory and have
> > got my emac functioning nicely with it but seem to have a problem with
> > the mail client. Seems not to have recognised the smtp details
> > although they seem correct in "connection doctor". any advice very
> > welcome. i have done a further software update also to incorporate all
> > the most recent non intel updates.
> >     thanks John C
>
> I do not know if I can help, but somebody here might be able to if you
> provide more details.  Are you attempting to use the Apple Mail client
> or something else?  If SMTP does not work, that means you cannot
> receive.  But can you "send" e-mails?
>
> First thing -- Are you giving the initial connection process enough
> time?  I mean lots and lots of time!  Maybe even 10 minutes or so.  As
> I recall, when I upgraded from Panther to Leopard (no Tiger in
> between), Leopard's Apple Mail was working a long time with the ISP
> for authentication with each of my two accounts.  It was driving me
> nuts!  After the first connection, things worked very well.  Check
> your ISP for their authentication requirements and any coaching they
> can give you to connect with Leopard.  Some ISPs are excellent in
> helping out, even to detailed instructions at their web site or by
> phone.  Other ISPs???
>
> Did this computer work with e-mail before the upgrade?  If yes, and
> you have stored old e-mails in mailboxes, do not delete the account in
> your client, unless you back it up on another media.  If you delete
> the old account, you will lose access to the old mail.  Before the
> Leopard upgrade, what version of OS 9 or OS X were you using?  What
> mail client?  After the upgrade, can you access your old e-mail?  Can
> you access your e-mail account at the ISP via their web mail?  Does
> sending and receiving work that way?  You can try a test with a new e-
> mail account at the ISP and create a corresponding new account in your
> mail client.  If the test account works with new name and password,
> then you know the system is working.  Before the upgrade, did you copy
> by hand all the mail client account settings and use the same exact
> settings after the upgrade?
>
> If this does not help, please give us more of your troubleshooting
> details.
>
> Al Poulin

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Re: Suucessfully upgraded emac to Leopard, but "mail" will not work?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Dec 22, 2010, at 4:21 PM, vinman wrote:

> I managed to buy a copy of Leopard, inserted 1gb of memory and have
> got my emac functioning nicely with it but seem to have a problem with
> the mail client. Seems not to have recognised the smtp details
> although they seem correct in "connection doctor". any advice very
> welcome. i have done a further software update also to incorporate all
> the most recent non intel updates.

Well, the most common error with this is that Mail will automagically enter 
your username and password, and attempt to use authenticated SMTP; if your ISP 
doesn't support that, then sending mail will fail, even though Connection 
Doctor says it's OK.

Double check with your ISP all the correct SMTP settings (you can edit these in 
Mail > Preferences > Accounts, and select 'Edit' from the Outgoing server 
dropdown menu.

Delete the outgoing server, and re-add it (in the same place you check the 
settings.)

If it still doesn't work, download and install Thunderbird and see if that 
works, if it does, re-apply the latest *Combo* update for your OS. This may fix 
what's broken with Mail. You can delete thunderbird if you want, after that.

Finally this is why I love, Love LOVE!!!11!Eleventy!! IMAP mail. 

Got a problem with an account on a machine? Just delete it, and recreate it. 
All the mail lives on the server so you don't lose anything.

Also I can always read all my email whether I'm using my work desktop, my home 
desktop, my laptop, my netbook, my iPod, some strangers system (using our 
webmail); this is why Gmail rocks, they let you do this.

-- 
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group

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Re: Suucessfully upgraded emac to Leopard, but "mail" will not work?

[Al Poulin]

On Dec 22, 6:21 pm, vinman  wrote:
> I managed to buy a copy of Leopard, inserted 1gb of memory and have
> got my emac functioning nicely with it but seem to have a problem with
> the mail client. Seems not to have recognised the smtp details
> although they seem correct in "connection doctor". any advice very
> welcome. i have done a further software update also to incorporate all
> the most recent non intel updates.
>     thanks John C

I do not know if I can help, but somebody here might be able to if you
provide more details.  Are you attempting to use the Apple Mail client
or something else?  If SMTP does not work, that means you cannot
receive.  But can you "send" e-mails?

First thing -- Are you giving the initial connection process enough
time?  I mean lots and lots of time!  Maybe even 10 minutes or so.  As
I recall, when I upgraded from Panther to Leopard (no Tiger in
between), Leopard's Apple Mail was working a long time with the ISP
for authentication with each of my two accounts.  It was driving me
nuts!  After the first connection, things worked very well.  Check
your ISP for their authentication requirements and any coaching they
can give you to connect with Leopard.  Some ISPs are excellent in
helping out, even to detailed instructions at their web site or by
phone.  Other ISPs???

Did this computer work with e-mail before the upgrade?  If yes, and
you have stored old e-mails in mailboxes, do not delete the account in
your client, unless you back it up on another media.  If you delete
the old account, you will lose access to the old mail.  Before the
Leopard upgrade, what version of OS 9 or OS X were you using?  What
mail client?  After the upgrade, can you access your old e-mail?  Can
you access your e-mail account at the ISP via their web mail?  Does
sending and receiving work that way?  You can try a test with a new e-
mail account at the ISP and create a corresponding new account in your
mail client.  If the test account works with new name and password,
then you know the system is working.  Before the upgrade, did you copy
by hand all the mail client account settings and use the same exact
settings after the upgrade?

If this does not help, please give us more of your troubleshooting
details.

Al Poulin

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Suucessfully upgraded emac to Leopard, but "mail" will not work?

[vinman]

I managed to buy a copy of Leopard, inserted 1gb of memory and have
got my emac functioning nicely with it but seem to have a problem with
the mail client. Seems not to have recognised the smtp details
although they seem correct in "connection doctor". any advice very
welcome. i have done a further software update also to incorporate all
the most recent non intel updates.
thanks John C


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Re: from osx.3.9 to leopard ,snow leopard even ?

[vinman]

Bruce,
   Many thanks, I knew you stateside boys would know, down with
windows hegemony! just wish mac stuff was a bit cheaper here in the
uk
merry christmas

On Dec 8, 11:26 pm, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:
> On Dec 7, 2010, at 3:13 PM, vinman wrote:
>
> > I am upgrading an emac 1.25ghz from to 1mb ram, and want ultimately to
> > run snow leopard if poss and at least leopard, can this be done? Has
> > anyone tried it ? R
>
> Leopard yes it will run it just fine (with at least 1GB ram) , Snow Leopard 
> not at all, since SL is Intel only and eMacs are PPC.
> --
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>
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Re: from osx.3.9 to leopard ,snow leopard even ?

[vinman]

Dan,
 Many thanks happy christmas from snowy devon uk

On Dec 8, 9:52 pm, Dan  wrote:
> At 2:13 PM -0800 12/7/2010, vinman wrote:
>
> >I am upgrading an emac 1.25ghz from to 1mb ram,
>
> You mean 1 GB ram, not mb.
>
> >and want ultimately to run snow leopard if poss and at least
> >leopard, can this be done?
>
> Leopard - yes.
>
> Snow Leopard - no.  SL requires an x86 processor.  eMac is PowerPC G4.
>
> >Has anyone tried it ?
>
> Leopard will run great on your eMac!
>
> >Can the Leopard version supplied with a mac mini do the trick ?
>
> Legally, no.  Technically, I think so, if it is a Leopard kit from a PPC Mini.
>
> - Dan.
> --
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Re: from osx.3.9 to leopard ,snow leopard even ?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Dec 7, 2010, at 3:13 PM, vinman wrote:

> I am upgrading an emac 1.25ghz from to 1mb ram, and want ultimately to
> run snow leopard if poss and at least leopard, can this be done? Has
> anyone tried it ? R


Leopard yes it will run it just fine (with at least 1GB ram) , Snow Leopard not 
at all, since SL is Intel only and eMacs are PPC.
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Re: from osx.3.9 to leopard ,snow leopard even ?

[Dan]

At 2:13 PM -0800 12/7/2010, vinman wrote:

I am upgrading an emac 1.25ghz from to 1mb ram,


You mean 1 GB ram, not mb.

and want ultimately to run snow leopard if poss and at least 
leopard, can this be done?


Leopard - yes.

Snow Leopard - no.  SL requires an x86 processor.  eMac is PowerPC G4.


Has anyone tried it ?


Leopard will run great on your eMac!


Can the Leopard version supplied with a mac mini do the trick ?


Legally, no.  Technically, I think so, if it is a Leopard kit from a PPC Mini.

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from osx.3.9 to leopard ,snow leopard even ?

[vinman]

I am upgrading an emac 1.25ghz from to 1mb ram, and want ultimately to
run snow leopard if poss and at least leopard, can this be done? Has
anyone tried it ? Read the interesting input ref Tiger but I am not
paying £150 for a copy of Tiger which has zero support when I can
access a copy of snow leopard from a relative. Can the Leopard version
supplied with a mac mini do the trick ? or is there anything unique to
this machine which could stop me?

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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[Steven]

I understand what you mean, but in my case I was referring to things like 
PowerBook specific code being left out of the iMac disk (just a hypothetical 
example), and so on. Apple didn't remove PowerPC code until Snow Leopard, even 
from Intel builds, which is why installing Snow Leopard opens up a couple 
gigabytes of free space. Also, I was just saying that misterbleepy's logic was 
reasonable. I don't know any details about the various machine-specific disks 
other than the fact that certain disks will refuse to install on machines other 
than the ones they were designed for.

Steven


On Nov 30, 2010, at 1:20 PM, Mystic Prowler wrote:

> Not necessarily though. I was able to boot from and install Mac OS X Leopard 
> on my G4 iMac 800 using my Macbook Pro system install disk version 10.5.2. It 
> had both the PowerPC Code and the Intel code even though it was specifically 
> designed for the intel machine. I am not lying, go check it out for yourself.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Tina K.  wrote:
> On 2010/11/30 11:38, Steven so eloquently wrote:
> That sounds right. If you'll remember, when Snow Leopard came out one
> of the biggest improvements was gigabytes of hard drive space freed
> up, since there was no more doubled PowerPC code. I think it is
> reasonable to assume that a retail disk installs all possible
> software while machine specific disks are more optimized.
> 
> Thank you misterbleepy and Steven, that is good to know.
> 
> 
> Tina
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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[Mystic Prowler]

Not necessarily though. I was able to boot from and install Mac OS X Leopard
on my G4 iMac 800 using my Macbook Pro system install disk version 10.5.2.
It had both the PowerPC Code and the Intel code even though it was
specifically designed for the intel machine. I am not lying, go check it out
for yourself.

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Tina K.  wrote:

> On 2010/11/30 11:38, Steven so eloquently wrote:
>
>> That sounds right. If you'll remember, when Snow Leopard came out one
>> of the biggest improvements was gigabytes of hard drive space freed
>> up, since there was no more doubled PowerPC code. I think it is
>> reasonable to assume that a retail disk installs all possible
>> software while machine specific disks are more optimized.
>>
>
> Thank you misterbleepy and Steven, that is good to know.
>
>
> Tina
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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[Mystic Prowler]

I have successfully installed leopard From my mbp before to a emac, so
doing it between two different architectures shouldn't be a problem.

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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[Matt Rhinesmith]

On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 11:34 +, misterbleepy wrote:
> Here's the procedure:

That's the old way. Now there's LeopardAssist:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/leopardassist/
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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[Mystic Prowler]

Either you can use Leopardassist, which gets you a 933 MHz processor
temporarily, or you can use my technique, but I have to find this first. The
technique is manual and has to be done through OF. Also, this one (as I have
tested) has a limit of 9.99GHz speed... but I can give you the code to use.
I just have to find it first. I have had Leopard on my G4 1x400 sawtooth for
about a year with maxed specs and it runs fine, so I am very sure your
machine can handle leopard.

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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[Mike Linnett]

Load it up with RAM first! I used leopard assist on mine, works like a charm. 
(one of) the alternative methods would be to transfer the HD into a supported 
mac, or use FireWire target disk mode

On 30 Nov 2010, at 08:09, Dave  wrote:

> Could someone kindly remind me how to fool the OS into installing on the 
> above machine?
> Maybe I'd be better advised just leaving Tiger on, but... the call of the 
> wild... I can't resist.
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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[Tina K.]

On 2010/11/30 11:38, Steven so eloquently wrote:

That sounds right. If you'll remember, when Snow Leopard came out one
of the biggest improvements was gigabytes of hard drive space freed
up, since there was no more doubled PowerPC code. I think it is
reasonable to assume that a retail disk installs all possible
software while machine specific disks are more optimized.


Thank you misterbleepy and Steven, that is good to know.

Tina

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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[Steven]

On Nov 30, 2010, at 8:15 AM, misterbleepy wrote:

> It suggests an OSX install installs all the OS code for
> all supported hardware, but other than my experience with the above, I
> have no actual proof that is the case.

That sounds right. If you'll remember, when Snow Leopard came out one of the 
biggest improvements was gigabytes of hard drive space freed up, since there 
was no more doubled PowerPC code. I think it is reasonable to assume that a 
retail disk installs all possible software while machine specific disks are 
more optimized.

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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[misterbleepy]

I have done it this way from an Intel Macbook to a G4 iMac (using an
intermediary disk) - it worked fine, and they are completely different
architectures. It suggests an OSX install installs all the OS code for
all supported hardware, but other than my experience with the above, I
have no actual proof that is the case.

On 30 November 2010 13:33, Tina K.  wrote:
> On 2010/11/30 04:34, misterbleepy so eloquently wrote:
>>
>> Another way I have used is to put the low spec machine in target disk
>> mode, then attaching it to a Mac that is in spec, and installing it
>> using that Mac, but putting the install on the external disk (i.e. the
>> disk of the Mac in target disk mode).
>
> If you were to do this between a notebook and desktop, or between a G4 and
> G5, would you get a proper install or would it do an install for the source
> Mac leaving some details (track pad, 64 bit, etc…) out?
>
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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[Tina K.]

On 2010/11/30 04:34, misterbleepy so eloquently wrote:

Another way I have used is to put the low spec machine in target disk
mode, then attaching it to a Mac that is in spec, and installing it
using that Mac, but putting the install on the external disk (i.e. the
disk of the Mac in target disk mode).


If you were to do this between a notebook and desktop, or between a G4 
and G5, would you get a proper install or would it do an install for the 
source Mac leaving some details (track pad, 64 bit, etc…) out?


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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[misterbleepy]

Here's the procedure:

http://lowendmac.com/osx/leopard/openfirmware.html

Another way I have used is to put the low spec machine in target disk
mode, then attaching it to a Mac that is in spec, and installing it
using that Mac, but putting the install on the external disk (i.e. the
disk of the Mac in target disk mode). The in-spec Mac would have to be
a PPC machine - if it were an Intel machine, you need to go through an
intermediary step of installing to an external drive, and then cloning
that drive to the low-spec Mac (this is because OSX will only install
on a GUID partition when the installer is run on Intel hardware, and
PPC Macs don't do GUID partitions)

On 30 November 2010 08:09, Dave  wrote:
> Could someone kindly remind me how to fool the OS into installing on the
> above machine?
> Maybe I'd be better advised just leaving Tiger on, but... the call of the
> wild... I can't resist.
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Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[Dave]

Could someone kindly remind me how to fool the OS into installing on the
above machine?
Maybe I'd be better advised just leaving Tiger on, but... the call of the
wild... I can't resist.

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Re: Leopard?

[Steven]

Sorry for replying so late, but I just realized that your description sounds a 
lot like a Photoshop drawing I did of "Mac OS 9.6." Lots of shiny blacks and 
glowing blues.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/obi1kenobi1/3017206820/sizes/o/

After looking at it again, mine probably wouldn't work so well as an interface, 
since the letters in the menu and title bars are too hard to read. You have 
some interesting ideas, I think I may have even seen something similar for 
ShapeShifter, but that was so long ago I can't remember the details.

Steven


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> The Apple GUI never fails to surprise me with it's eye candy since the days 
> of Panther, and every new GUI is like a present from Apple to us to see and 
> work with the OS in a new way. I like all of the Apple themes so far, and i 
> think i will like the newer ones when they come out. If i were to have a 
> favorite Apple theme, it would be this: Mac OS X Leopard windows that turn 
> transparent like the Jaguar windows only without the lines when inactive or 
> deselected. The Mac OS X leopard menu bar, only with the Mac OS X cheetah 
> dark blue apple logo and when i click on it or go over it with my mouse, it 
> will shine, and the selected "blue box" around it will be blue and glossy 
> like the early beta builds of Mac OS X tiger. When the menu bar has any 
> button selected like "File" for example, it will have the blue glossy button 
> like the one on OS X tiger beta builds. And, on the dock, whenever i roll 
> over it, the area around it glows blue with an optional apple logo shaped 
> reflection on the dock. and, i'd like the same dock design as leopard, but 
> only make the icons and not the desktop reflected against the dock, and make 
> the dock glow blue. Dashboard should shatter through the desktop, and have a 
> completely individual desktop on it's own, and when it reverts back to the 
> desktop, the pieces of the desktop are put back together. when the system 
> starts up, instead of the regular Apple logo, it should be a black background 
> with the dark blue shiny apple logo like the one in the Mac OS X cheetah menu 
> bar, and the outline of the apple logo should have a line running on it 
> glowing blue, until the system is done loading and the entire apple logo 
> glows blue. then, every time you login, it says "welcome" in some video in 
> the same exact way that it was in the Mac OS X panther beta builds where a 
> school of fish/dots in a giant circle turned into the word "welcome", and 
> then it zooms in past the letters kinda like in the Mac OS X leopard intro, 
> and shows the desktop. That is my favorite theme. hopefully it's real or Mac 
> OS X 10.7 has it. Sorry if this is too descriptive, this is my vision of what 
> OS X should look like. blue glowing effects is a must. a good example of that 
> are the buttons in front row.

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Re: Leopard?

[Joshua Juran]

On Sep 26, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Midnight rider wrote:

Not to be a snitch or anything but i am pretty sure you aren't  
allowed to use rich text like those Apple logos and the Apple  
buttons.



Content-Type:   text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

No rich text here.

Mac OS has supported Unicode since 8.5.

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Re: Leopard?

[Bill Chapman]

 Fair enough

On 26/09/10 9:04 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

 On 10-09-26 5:35 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:

Sloppy

On 26/09/10 6:05 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

On 10-09-26 3:47 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:
try 'whether' 

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Re: Leopard?

[Midnight rider]

A question to all I know this may sound stupid but hear me out

You all know the "UI nightmare" that is occurring on the iTunes 10 program,
right? I for one like it and i want to know if there is a system wide patch
because i want to make my iMac G4  look like it has a beta build of OS X
10.7.

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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-26 7:18 PM, Midnight rider wrote:
Not to be a snitch or anything but i am pretty sure you aren't allowed 
to use rich text like those Apple logos and the Apple buttons. 

Opps! My error! Sorry about that!

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Re: Leopard?

[Midnight rider]

Not to be a snitch or anything but i am pretty sure you aren't allowed to
use rich text like those Apple logos and the Apple buttons.

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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-26 5:35 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:

Sloppy

On 26/09/10 6:05 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

On 10-09-26 3:47 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:
try 'whether' 

wheather this or weather that : just a joke me friend : what's the harm






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Re: Leopard?

[Bill Chapman]

 Sloppy

On 26/09/10 6:05 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

 On 10-09-26 3:47 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:
try 'whether' 

 wheather this or weather that :  just a joke me friend : what's the harm



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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-26 3:47 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:
try 'whether' 

 wheather this or weather that :  just a joke me friend : what's the harm

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Re: Leopard?

[Bill Chapman]

 try 'whether'

On 26/09/10 5:33 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

 On 10-09-25 6:38 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:

 'Weather'?

On 24/09/10 6:57 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

 On 10-09-24 12:19 PM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
I've been using FruitMenu, Xounds and WindowshadeX, since Jaguar 
days; I'll keep using them until Apple gets its head out of its 
butt and put the functionality back into the "Mac OS". 
The same here. Apple has simply allowed third party software 
developers to make a few bucks weather we like it or not.





Yes, such as "weather" the storm of unsanity haxies...



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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-25 6:38 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:

 'Weather'?

On 24/09/10 6:57 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

 On 10-09-24 12:19 PM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
I've been using FruitMenu, Xounds and WindowshadeX, since Jaguar 
days; I'll keep using them until Apple gets its head out of its butt 
and put the functionality back into the "Mac OS". 
The same here. Apple has simply allowed third party software 
developers to make a few bucks weather we like it or not.





Yes, such as "weather" the storm of unsanity haxies...

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Re: Leopard?

[Bill Chapman]

 'Weather'?

On 24/09/10 6:57 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

 On 10-09-24 12:19 PM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
I've been using FruitMenu, Xounds and WindowshadeX, since Jaguar 
days; I'll keep using them until Apple gets its head out of its butt 
and put the functionality back into the "Mac OS". 
The same here. Apple has simply allowed third party software 
developers to make a few bucks weather we like it or not.




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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-24 2:31 PM, Joshua Juran wrote:

I write my own OS 9 extensions.

such as ? and to do what ?

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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-24 12:26 PM, Midnight rider wrote:
I was wondering if there is a patch for the OS 9 theme to make it look 
like leopard or at least jaguar. My Power Mac 6100 machine has my 
favorite startup chime of all time and it feels dated to have an OS 9 
desktop... 
I use Kaleidoscope ( it is somewhat dated )   albeit it does not have 
ready made themes for the two cats.  The themes it does have are good 
enough for me to get rid of that bland OS 9 appearance. However it does 
have a theme creater if you have the patience to work that program.


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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-24 12:19 PM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
I've been using FruitMenu, Xounds and WindowshadeX, since Jaguar days; 
I'll keep using them until Apple gets its head out of its butt and put 
the functionality back into the "Mac OS". 
The same here. Apple has simply allowed third party software developers 
to make a few bucks weather we like it or not.


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Re: Leopard?

[Malcolm O'Brien]

Wow! Did that ever remind me of Amiga screens!

Aside: One of the other editors at Transactor for the Amiga had a NeXT 
and said he liked it as much as he liked his Amiga.

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Re: Leopard?

[Bill Chapman]

 Oops... I meant 256kb

On 24/09/10 8:18 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:
 I have A-Dock, it's a 256Mb file (Stuffit)... anybody want it, send 
me an email


On 24/09/10 7:45 PM, Elliott Price wrote:
If anyone finds A-Dock, post a link! That sounds like a handy OS9 
hack, I always miss the dock when I use my machines running OS9. Icon 
shortcuts on the desktop? Tacky... Navigating apps from the Apple 
menu? Tedious. Although, I remember when that was the cool way to 
access your apps ;)



-Elliott




On Sep 24, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Steven wrote:

When combined with A-Dock, an implementation of the OS X dock for OS 
8 and OS 9, it actually provides a somewhat convincing appearance


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Re: Leopard?

[Bill Chapman]

 I have A-Dock, it's a 256Mb file (Stuffit)... anybody want it, send me 
an email


On 24/09/10 7:45 PM, Elliott Price wrote:

If anyone finds A-Dock, post a link! That sounds like a handy OS9 hack, I 
always miss the dock when I use my machines running OS9. Icon shortcuts on the 
desktop? Tacky... Navigating apps from the Apple menu? Tedious. Although, I 
remember when that was the cool way to access your apps ;)


-Elliott




On Sep 24, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Steven wrote:


When combined with A-Dock, an implementation of the OS X dock for OS 8 and OS 
9, it actually provides a somewhat convincing appearance


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Re: Leopard?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Sep 24, 2010, at 3:54 PM, Midnight rider wrote:

> OOOPS The screen is not 8600x6400, it was 2860x2640. Why did i forget
> the two and add the zero?

What brand and model TV is that that you have that runs at that resolution? 
I've never seen a 32" that went beyond standard 1920x1080 HD. That sounds like 
a rather nice upgrade for my office monitor...

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Re: Leopard?

[Steven]

I guess my phrasing was a little misleading. "Aquamakeover" is the one that is 
hard to find. A-Dock is still available online, here is the homepage:

http://jerome.foucher.free.fr/ADock/ADock.html

One thing I really like about it is that you can set a key combination to 
switch it on and off, just like the control strip. That way, you can bring it 
up only when you need it without cluttering up your desktop or overlapping the 
control strip (I usually have the control strip hidden unless I need to use one 
of the modules or check my battery life, but when I do use it it is nice to be 
able to get rid of the dock). Of course, you can also set it to hide and show 
automatically like the OS X dock, if you prefer that, but then it will pop up 
every time the cursor hits the bottom of the screen.

Steven


On Sep 24, 2010, at 6:45 PM, Elliott Price wrote:

> If anyone finds A-Dock, post a link! That sounds like a handy OS9 hack, I 
> always miss the dock when I use my machines running OS9. Icon shortcuts on 
> the desktop? Tacky... Navigating apps from the Apple menu? Tedious. Although, 
> I remember when that was the cool way to access your apps ;)
> 
> 
>   -Elliott

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Re: Leopard?

[Elliott Price]

If anyone finds A-Dock, post a link! That sounds like a handy OS9 hack, I 
always miss the dock when I use my machines running OS9. Icon shortcuts on the 
desktop? Tacky... Navigating apps from the Apple menu? Tedious. Although, I 
remember when that was the cool way to access your apps ;)


-Elliott




On Sep 24, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Steven wrote:

> When combined with A-Dock, an implementation of the OS X dock for OS 8 and OS 
> 9, it actually provides a somewhat convincing appearance

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Re: Leopard?

[Steven]

I know of one that was made way back when, and apparently it only goes as far 
as Jaguar. If I remember correctly it is a Kaleidoscope theme called 
"Aquamakeover" and since Apple cracked down on unauthorized use of the Aqua 
appearance it is very hard to find nowadays. When combined with A-Dock, an 
implementation of the OS X dock for OS 8 and OS 9, it actually provides a 
somewhat convincing appearance (a few years ago I was able to fool a couple of 
classmates into thinking I was running Leopard on a 1995 PowerBook 5300ce, 
though not for long). I'm not sure where you could find it though.

Steven


On Sep 24, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Midnight rider wrote:

> I was wondering if there is a patch for the OS 9 theme to make it look like 
> leopard or at least jaguar. My Power Mac 6100 machine has my favorite startup 
> chime of all time and it feels dated to have an OS 9 desktop...
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Re: Leopard?

[Midnight rider]

OOOPS The screen is not 8600x6400, it was 2860x2640. Why did i forget
the two and add the zero?

The video card however is an ATI Radeon 9800 pro 128MB. The other "Radeon
HD" card i was talking about was a upgrade in a friend's machine for his
PCI-e Dual 2.7Ghz Power mac G5. Sorry for the confusion... I was hit in the
head this morning by a dream and wanted waffles.

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Re: Leopard?

[Steven]

Somehow I doubt that. For one thing, even the experimental custom built million 
dollar Ultra High Definition Television sets only display a resolution of 
7680x4320, which can require as much as twenty-four gigabytes per second of 
bandwidth, so I have no idea where you could have found that kind of television 
or HDMI cable(s), let alone a graphics card for such an outdated computer. And 
even more importantly, even at 32" a screen resolution of 8600x6400 would 
result in a 308 pixels per inch screen, almost as much as an iPhone 4's Retina 
Display, meaning that you would need to sit centimeters away from the screen to 
see normal 12 point text. Either that was a joke or you made an incredible typo.

Steven


On Sep 24, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Midnight rider wrote:

> On my G4 sawtooth, I have a 32" LCD screen (actually a TV) plugged into it 
> using HDMI with a 8600x6400 resolution. It is good for my photoshop, but the 
> menu bar is too small.

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Re: Leopard?

[Steven]

That's the way I work too. I don't just have a "Cars" folder in my Wallpapers 
section, not even just "American Cars" or "Sedans," but folders like "1960s 
Sedans" and "1980s Muscle Cars," leading down a long, winding path of folder 
hierarchy. It may seem obsessive compulsive, and it is quite a hassle when I 
need to go through and organize it every once in a while, but none of that 
matters when I decide "you know what, I want my desktop picture to be a 1973 
Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight" and I can immediately find the right picture.

Steven


On Sep 24, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Ashgrove wrote:
> 
> Anal-retentive that I am, I do download all those desktop pics
> manually and sort them them by size for my different computers and/or
> monitors. Then of course I sort them out by themes, and so forth. It
> is time-consuming, and I agree that it is unnecessary in most cases.
> But that's just me.

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Re: Leopard?

[Midnight rider]

Well, earlier i had an ATI Radeon 9800 pro card in it that had 128MB of RAM,
but my jeff's friend has expirience in soldering things, and he was able to
give me a 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5300 card that goes into AGP. The only drawback
though is that it was meant for AGP 8x and the sawtooth can only use it at
AGP 2x or 4x speeds.

it currently has 1GB of Video RAM.

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Re: Leopard?

[Joshua Juran]

On Sep 24, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:



On Sep 23, 9:28 pm, Midnight rider  wrote:
Is there any system app i can download that i can use to change  
the system

theme in Mac OS X?
Unsanity haxies have ShapeShifter but  will not work reliably in  
SnowLeopard.


"Unsanity haxies will not work reliably"

There, fixed that for yah.

:-)

I've had more hassles with Unsanity stuff than I care to think about.

I switched to OS X BECAUSE OS9 Extensions Hell was driving me insane.


I write my own OS 9 extensions.  :-)

Josh


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Re: Leopard?

[Ashgrove]

On Sep 24, 2:47 pm, Elliott Price  wrote:
> I like to be very close to the screen I'm working on, so I don't use TV's - 
> The large pixels (meant for viewing farther away) are a bit distracting. Oh, 
> the problems of being near-sighted!

Ain't that a bitch. But the joy of being nearsighted is that you won't
need reading glasses for a long time... ;-)

F

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Re: Leopard?

[Ashgrove]

On Sep 24, 2:40 pm, Midnight rider  wrote:
> On my G4 sawtooth, I have a 32" LCD screen (actually a TV) plugged into it
> using HDMI with a 8600x6400 resolution. It is good for my photoshop, but the
> menu bar is too small.

You must have one hell of a video card, Mark. What graphic cards do
you have in that thing?

F

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Re: Leopard?

[Ashgrove]

On Sep 24, 2:34 pm, Elliott Price  wrote:
> I hear you! I just got a 13" Macbook pro for work (as a computer tech) 
> because of the portability factor. Let me tell you, it feels TINY, even 
> compared to my 17" iMac from 2006. Working with Illustrator and Dreamweaver 
> feels like a 600x800 screen... Yikes. I never do any real work on laptops - 
> Must have my iMac!

I hear you, too. I had a Santa Rosa Macbook and ended up selling it
and getting a 17" iMac, 2006 model like yours (the Core 2 Duo). I
wasn't even using it as a portable --I kept lugging around my 17"
PB...

Felix

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Re: Leopard?

[Elliott Price]

I like to be very close to the screen I'm working on, so I don't use TV's - The 
large pixels (meant for viewing farther away) are a bit distracting. Oh, the 
problems of being near-sighted!

I would love to get one of those new 27" LCD displays Apple just released... 
And then a 27" iMac to go with it. Wow, talk about screen real estate!


-Elliott




On Sep 24, 2010, at 11:40 AM, Midnight rider wrote:

> On my G4 sawtooth, I have a 32" LCD screen (actually a TV) plugged into it 
> using HDMI with a 8600x6400 resolution. It is good for my photoshop, but the 
> menu bar is too small.
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Re: Leopard?

[Midnight rider]

On my G4 sawtooth, I have a 32" LCD screen (actually a TV) plugged into it
using HDMI with a 8600x6400 resolution. It is good for my photoshop, but the
menu bar is too small.

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Re: Leopard?

[Elliott Price]

I hear you! I just got a 13" Macbook pro for work (as a computer tech) because 
of the portability factor. Let me tell you, it feels TINY, even compared to my 
17" iMac from 2006. Working with Illustrator and Dreamweaver feels like a 
600x800 screen... Yikes. I never do any real work on laptops - Must have my 
iMac!


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On Sep 24, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Midnight rider wrote:

> Besides GUI, I am definitely a person who uses really large monitors. I need 
> at least 20" monitors to consider is decent, 17" usable. I also use multiple 
> monitors on my computers, in fact my sawtooth has 3. I am very productive and 
> do much photoshopping, flash gaming and website managing, so a big screen and 
> multiple monitors is a must.

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Re: Leopard?

[Midnight rider]

Besides GUI, I am definitely a person who uses really large monitors. I need
at least 20" monitors to consider is decent, 17" usable. I also use multiple
monitors on my computers, in fact my sawtooth has 3. I am very productive
and do much photoshopping, flash gaming and website managing, so a big
screen and multiple monitors is a must.

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Re: Leopard?

[Midnight rider]

I was wondering if there is a patch for the OS 9 theme to make it look like
leopard or at least jaguar. My Power Mac 6100 machine has my favorite
startup chime of all time and it feels dated to have an OS 9 desktop...

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Re: Leopard?

[Ashgrove]

On Sep 24, 12:27 pm, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:
> It's too much work to worry about it manually, vastly easier to just let the 
> computer do all the scutwork for me...this is why we invented the damn things.


Anal-retentive that I am, I do download all those desktop pics
manually and sort them them by size for my different computers and/or
monitors. Then of course I sort them out by themes, and so forth. It
is time-consuming, and I agree that it is unnecessary in most cases.
But that's just me.

I have a collection of fractal desktop pictures (to go with Electric
Sheep when I'm in full fractal mode), and I find that sometimes
"Stretch to fit" produces interesting results...

F

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Re: Leopard?

[Dennis B. Swaney]

On 24/09/10 09:30PDT, Bruce Johnson wrote:


On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:



On Sep 23, 9:28 pm, Midnight rider   wrote:

  Is there any system app i can download that i can use to change the system
  theme in Mac OS X?

Unsanity haxies have ShapeShifter but  will not work reliably in SnowLeopard.


"Unsanity haxies will not work reliably"

There, fixed that for yah.



I've had no problems with them except when I tried to use them where 
Unsanity said they would not work: ShapeShifter in 10.5 for example.


I've been using FruitMenu, Xounds and WindowshadeX, since Jaguar days; 
I'll keep using them until Apple gets its head out of its butt and put 
the functionality back into the "Mac OS".


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Re: Leopard?

[Ashgrove]

On Sep 24, 12:31 pm, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:
> On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:39 PM, epic93d...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Just gonna throw my two cents in...
>
> > I prefer no gui. I tend to find that the mouse slows me down too much...
>
> Hey epic93dude, the 80's called, they want their troll back...


Ooooh, that was mean. That was cruel. That was uncalled for. That was
the best laugh I've had in ages...

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Re: Leopard?

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On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:39 PM, epic93d...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just gonna throw my two cents in...
> 
> I prefer no gui. I tend to find that the mouse slows me down too much...

Hey epic93dude, the 80's called, they want their troll back...

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Re: Leopard?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

>> 
>> On Sep 23, 9:28 pm, Midnight rider  wrote:
>>> >  Is there any system app i can download that i can use to change the 
>>> > system
>>> >  theme in Mac OS X?
> Unsanity haxies have ShapeShifter but  will not work reliably in SnowLeopard.

"Unsanity haxies will not work reliably"

There, fixed that for yah.

:-)

I've had more hassles with Unsanity stuff than I care to think about. 

I switched to OS X BECAUSE OS9 Extensions Hell was driving me insane.

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Re: Leopard?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Sep 23, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

> Cool, would you please help me: how do use them as desktop pictures: most 
> site dedicated to desktop pictures have a download as desktop and also allow 
> you to select a screen size. Your help very much required and will be 
> appreciated.

Nope it's auld skool Mac user behavior: drag-n-drop, let the computer figure 
all of it out. 

I drag the pictures from the web site (Safari, NetNewsReader (all three sites 
have RSS feeds) and (iirc) Firefox all let you do this) into a desktop alias to 
my '/Users/johnson/Pictures' folder. This lets me drag a picture at any time, 
from anywhere...several of them are from my own iPhoto library, too. Wikimedia 
is another source of lots of really neat pictures.

With the APOD and Earth Observatory pics, sometimes I use the picture on the 
main page, sometimes I use the larger ones linked...it depends; sometimes the 
pic on the main page is a cropped version of the larger one (especially Landsat 
pics on the Earth Observatory page) showing just the cool bits.

I've got my desktop settings to 'Fill Screen' or 'Fit to Screen' (not 'stretch 
to fit' because that does all sorts of odd things), and set it to change every 
hour and choose randomly. 

I just ignore the details of the dimensions, size etc. The computer takes care 
of it. Oftimes the pictures are smaller than the screen resolution, but OS X 
scales them pretty well, actually, so they don't look too bad; if one looks 
really bad I just pull it out of the folder.

It's too much work to worry about it manually, vastly easier to just let the 
computer do all the scutwork for me...this is why we invented the damn things.

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Re: Leopard?

[Elliott Price]

In the Desktop preference pane, they're under the Apple tab, in the folder 
Desktop Pictures. And I'm running a clean install of SL, so I know they're not 
leftover from 10.4. 


-Elliott




On Sep 23, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

> On 10-09-23 11:05 AM, Elliott Price wrote:
>> Actually - They're still in the default desktops in the Desktop system 
>> preference...
> How do i get that in Leopard or Snow Leopard ?
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Re: Leopard?

[Bill Chapman]

 A penny for your thoughts... I guess somebody owes you one cent ; )

On 23/09/10 11:39 PM, epic93d...@gmail.com wrote:

Just gonna throw my two cents in...

I prefer no gui. I tend to find that the mouse slows me down too much...
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Re: Leopard?

[Bill Chapman]

 I was referring to the menu bars, etc... I like Tiger, Leopard the way 
Apple designed them... for the background, I use the default 
Leopard/Tiger images. In my case, it's psychological... signaling my 
better-late-than-never entry into the modern Mac era (in Jan 2008). When 
I was on 7-8 I used that mid-gray for quite awhile, and then switched to 
the medium blue/green. I think I switched to the Tiger swoosh on my PM 
8600 even before I got OS X machines.


On 23/09/10 3:17 PM, Tina K. wrote:

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:47:57 -0400, Bill Chapman wrote:

As a graphic designer, working on subtle desktops is an advantage. I
don't need any distracting colours competing for attention.

I used to use a solid medium grey desktop until it became so mind
numbing that it ended up being a distraction in itself. Now I use a
pretty desktop that makes me happy and I use full screen windows when
working on something so that I can focus on it.

Tina



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Re: Leopard?

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On 23/09/10 20:39PDT, epic93d...@gmail.com wrote:

Just gonna throw my two cents in...

I prefer no gui. I tend to find that the mouse slows me down too much...
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



Then you must LOVE MS-DOS!

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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

On Sep 23, 9:28 pm, Midnight rider  wrote:

>  Is there any system app i can download that i can use to change the system
>  theme in Mac OS X?
Unsanity haxies have ShapeShifter but  will not work reliably in 
SnowLeopard.


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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-23 9:31 PM, Ashgrove wrote:

As a late switcher from the other side, I find the Dock useful,
elegant, and hard to live without.
I prefer LaunchBar because after using a hot key to bring launch bar 
into action i simply type in name of the application, folder, or iTunes 
song and away it goes. You can also train it to accept just a single 
letter or a more to identify and launch an application etc.


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Re: Leopard?

[Tina K.]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:53:03 -0700, Joshua Juran wrote:
> "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one 
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all 
> progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw  
> (My apologies for the gender-loaded language.)

That is thoughtful of you but it's not necessary as far as I am 
concerned. No offense taken, I don't think that it was meant to be 
exclusionary.

Tina

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Re: Leopard?

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Just gonna throw my two cents in...

I prefer no gui. I tend to find that the mouse slows me down too much...
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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-23 3:02 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

Uhh, dude, you DO know you can change the desktop backgroun? I've got a folder of about 100-150 
pictures gleaned from the web 
(mostly,, 
and) and cycle 'em as a slide show.

Cool, would you please help me: how do use them as desktop pictures: 
most site dedicated to desktop pictures have a download as desktop and 
also allow you to select a screen size. Your help very much required and 
will be appreciated.


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Re: Leopard?

[Tina K.]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:47:57 -0400, Bill Chapman wrote:
> As a graphic designer, working on subtle desktops is an advantage. I 
> don't need any distracting colours competing for attention.

I used to use a solid medium grey desktop until it became so mind 
numbing that it ended up being a distraction in itself. Now I use a 
pretty desktop that makes me happy and I use full screen windows when 
working on something so that I can focus on it.

Tina

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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-23 11:05 AM, Elliott Price wrote:

Actually - They're still in the default desktops in the Desktop system 
preference...

How do i get that in Leopard or Snow Leopard ?

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Re: Leopard?

[Tina K.]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:05:32 -0700, Elliott Price wrote:
> But you're still greeted by the pink aurora when you log out.

That can be fixed as well either using a terminal command that I do not 
know, or simply by replacing 'DefaultDesktop.jpg' in Core Services. I 
always modify the login bg with my name and contact info should it be 
lost or stolen, and the small login window itself too.

Tina

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