Re: Leopard

[Alex Sciortino]

10.2 is slow. Panther and Tiger are a lot better. 

As far as I know there isn't. Even if there was it would be so dreadfully slow 
you would want to throw it out the window. OS 10.2 felt slow on my 400 MHz iMac 
with a gig of ram, so I'm sure Leopard would be worse. 

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Re: Leopard

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 29, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Alex Sciortino wrote:

> Thanks, Do you think a custom kernel would get it to boot? If I remember 
> right there is a custom kernel for the G3. 

No there isn't. There may be a G3-optimized Darwin, but OS X is a microkernel 
architecture; 'customized kernel' is something from monolithic kernel 
architectures like Linux. You cannot get around the fact that 10.5 makes system 
calls to hardware that does not exist on a G3 CPU. 

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Re: Leopard

[Christopher Satterfield]

As far as I know there isn't. Even if there was it would be so dreadfully
slow you would want to throw it out the window. OS 10.2 felt slow on my 400
MHz iMac with a gig of ram, so I'm sure Leopard would be worse.

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Re: Leopard

[Alex Sciortino]

It currently runs Tiger. I have ran Leopard on a 400mhz G4 it is just removing 
the need for AltiVec at this point. 
On May 29, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Peter Haller  wrote:

> While, it is basically impossible within reason, and I'm assuming you meant 
> OS X 10.5.  Either way, these are the MINIMUM requirements for Leopard, and 
> your G3 would require a complete overhaul just to run it at its minimum. 
>   A Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or Power PC G4 (867 MHz or 
> faster) processor
> 512 MB memory or more
> A DVD drive for installation
> 9 GB of available disk space or more 
> However, you could try to put something like 10.2 ( Jaguar) on it, but that's 
> just about as far as I would go.
> 
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Re: Leopard

[Alex Sciortino]

Thanks, Do you think a custom kernel would get it to boot? If I remember right 
there is a custom kernel for the G3. 
> 
> There are 4 400MHz G3 iMacs 3 have Firewire ports If you have a F/W port then 
> make a Carbon Copy Clone of the 10.5 system and use Target Disk Mode with a 
> Fire Wire cable to transfer the cloned file to the G3, Good luck getting it 
> to boot.

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Re: Leopard

[Peter Haller]

While, it is basically impossible within reason, and I'm assuming you meant OS 
X 10.5.  Either way, these are the MINIMUM requirements for Leopard, and your 
G3 would require a complete overhaul just to run it at its minimum. 
   A Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or Power PC G4 (867 MHz or faster) 
processor
512 MB memory or more
A DVD drive for installation
9 GB of available disk space or more 
However, you could try to put something like 10.2 ( Jaguar) on it, but that's 
just about as far as I would go.

Best Regards,
  Peter


On May 28, 2012, at 10:43 PM, Alex Sciortino  wrote:

> I

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Re: Leopard

[John Carmonne]

On May 28, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Alex Sciortino wrote:

> How can I get Leopard on a 400mhz iMac G3? I know it is impractical, but I 
> want to do it. 
> 
 


There are 4 400MHz G3 iMacs 3 have Firewire ports If you have a F/W port then 
make a Carbon Copy Clone of the 10.5 system and use Target Disk Mode with a 
Fire Wire cable to transfer the cloned file to the G3, Good luck getting it to 
boot.




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Re: Leopard

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 28, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Alex Sciortino wrote:

> How can I get Leopard on a 400mhz iMac G3? I know it is impractical, but I 
> want to do it. 


You can't. It's not merely impractical, it's not possible.

Leopard on PPC requires Altivec, which is only present in the G4 and above..

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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[Steven]

I understand what you mean, but in my case I was referring to things like 
PowerBook specific code being left out of the iMac disk (just a hypothetical 
example), and so on. Apple didn't remove PowerPC code until Snow Leopard, even 
from Intel builds, which is why installing Snow Leopard opens up a couple 
gigabytes of free space. Also, I was just saying that misterbleepy's logic was 
reasonable. I don't know any details about the various machine-specific disks 
other than the fact that certain disks will refuse to install on machines other 
than the ones they were designed for.

Steven


On Nov 30, 2010, at 1:20 PM, Mystic Prowler wrote:

> Not necessarily though. I was able to boot from and install Mac OS X Leopard 
> on my G4 iMac 800 using my Macbook Pro system install disk version 10.5.2. It 
> had both the PowerPC Code and the Intel code even though it was specifically 
> designed for the intel machine. I am not lying, go check it out for yourself.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Tina K.  wrote:
> On 2010/11/30 11:38, Steven so eloquently wrote:
> That sounds right. If you'll remember, when Snow Leopard came out one
> of the biggest improvements was gigabytes of hard drive space freed
> up, since there was no more doubled PowerPC code. I think it is
> reasonable to assume that a retail disk installs all possible
> software while machine specific disks are more optimized.
> 
> Thank you misterbleepy and Steven, that is good to know.
> 
> 
> Tina
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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[Mystic Prowler]

Not necessarily though. I was able to boot from and install Mac OS X Leopard
on my G4 iMac 800 using my Macbook Pro system install disk version 10.5.2.
It had both the PowerPC Code and the Intel code even though it was
specifically designed for the intel machine. I am not lying, go check it out
for yourself.

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Tina K.  wrote:

> On 2010/11/30 11:38, Steven so eloquently wrote:
>
>> That sounds right. If you'll remember, when Snow Leopard came out one
>> of the biggest improvements was gigabytes of hard drive space freed
>> up, since there was no more doubled PowerPC code. I think it is
>> reasonable to assume that a retail disk installs all possible
>> software while machine specific disks are more optimized.
>>
>
> Thank you misterbleepy and Steven, that is good to know.
>
>
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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[Mystic Prowler]

I have successfully installed leopard From my mbp before to a emac, so
doing it between two different architectures shouldn't be a problem.

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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[Matt Rhinesmith]

On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 11:34 +, misterbleepy wrote:
> Here's the procedure:

That's the old way. Now there's LeopardAssist:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/leopardassist/
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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[Mystic Prowler]

Either you can use Leopardassist, which gets you a 933 MHz processor
temporarily, or you can use my technique, but I have to find this first. The
technique is manual and has to be done through OF. Also, this one (as I have
tested) has a limit of 9.99GHz speed... but I can give you the code to use.
I just have to find it first. I have had Leopard on my G4 1x400 sawtooth for
about a year with maxed specs and it runs fine, so I am very sure your
machine can handle leopard.

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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[Mike Linnett]

Load it up with RAM first! I used leopard assist on mine, works like a charm. 
(one of) the alternative methods would be to transfer the HD into a supported 
mac, or use FireWire target disk mode

On 30 Nov 2010, at 08:09, Dave  wrote:

> Could someone kindly remind me how to fool the OS into installing on the 
> above machine?
> Maybe I'd be better advised just leaving Tiger on, but... the call of the 
> wild... I can't resist.
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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[Tina K.]

On 2010/11/30 11:38, Steven so eloquently wrote:

That sounds right. If you'll remember, when Snow Leopard came out one
of the biggest improvements was gigabytes of hard drive space freed
up, since there was no more doubled PowerPC code. I think it is
reasonable to assume that a retail disk installs all possible
software while machine specific disks are more optimized.


Thank you misterbleepy and Steven, that is good to know.

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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[Steven]

On Nov 30, 2010, at 8:15 AM, misterbleepy wrote:

> It suggests an OSX install installs all the OS code for
> all supported hardware, but other than my experience with the above, I
> have no actual proof that is the case.

That sounds right. If you'll remember, when Snow Leopard came out one of the 
biggest improvements was gigabytes of hard drive space freed up, since there 
was no more doubled PowerPC code. I think it is reasonable to assume that a 
retail disk installs all possible software while machine specific disks are 
more optimized.

Steven

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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[misterbleepy]

I have done it this way from an Intel Macbook to a G4 iMac (using an
intermediary disk) - it worked fine, and they are completely different
architectures. It suggests an OSX install installs all the OS code for
all supported hardware, but other than my experience with the above, I
have no actual proof that is the case.

On 30 November 2010 13:33, Tina K.  wrote:
> On 2010/11/30 04:34, misterbleepy so eloquently wrote:
>>
>> Another way I have used is to put the low spec machine in target disk
>> mode, then attaching it to a Mac that is in spec, and installing it
>> using that Mac, but putting the install on the external disk (i.e. the
>> disk of the Mac in target disk mode).
>
> If you were to do this between a notebook and desktop, or between a G4 and
> G5, would you get a proper install or would it do an install for the source
> Mac leaving some details (track pad, 64 bit, etc…) out?
>
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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[Tina K.]

On 2010/11/30 04:34, misterbleepy so eloquently wrote:

Another way I have used is to put the low spec machine in target disk
mode, then attaching it to a Mac that is in spec, and installing it
using that Mac, but putting the install on the external disk (i.e. the
disk of the Mac in target disk mode).


If you were to do this between a notebook and desktop, or between a G4 
and G5, would you get a proper install or would it do an install for the 
source Mac leaving some details (track pad, 64 bit, etc…) out?


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Re: Leopard on a 2x450 PowerMac

[misterbleepy]

Here's the procedure:

http://lowendmac.com/osx/leopard/openfirmware.html

Another way I have used is to put the low spec machine in target disk
mode, then attaching it to a Mac that is in spec, and installing it
using that Mac, but putting the install on the external disk (i.e. the
disk of the Mac in target disk mode). The in-spec Mac would have to be
a PPC machine - if it were an Intel machine, you need to go through an
intermediary step of installing to an external drive, and then cloning
that drive to the low-spec Mac (this is because OSX will only install
on a GUID partition when the installer is run on Intel hardware, and
PPC Macs don't do GUID partitions)

On 30 November 2010 08:09, Dave  wrote:
> Could someone kindly remind me how to fool the OS into installing on the
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> Maybe I'd be better advised just leaving Tiger on, but... the call of the
> wild... I can't resist.
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Re: Leopard?

[Steven]

Sorry for replying so late, but I just realized that your description sounds a 
lot like a Photoshop drawing I did of "Mac OS 9.6." Lots of shiny blacks and 
glowing blues.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/obi1kenobi1/3017206820/sizes/o/

After looking at it again, mine probably wouldn't work so well as an interface, 
since the letters in the menu and title bars are too hard to read. You have 
some interesting ideas, I think I may have even seen something similar for 
ShapeShifter, but that was so long ago I can't remember the details.

Steven


On Sep 23, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Midnight rider wrote:

> The Apple GUI never fails to surprise me with it's eye candy since the days 
> of Panther, and every new GUI is like a present from Apple to us to see and 
> work with the OS in a new way. I like all of the Apple themes so far, and i 
> think i will like the newer ones when they come out. If i were to have a 
> favorite Apple theme, it would be this: Mac OS X Leopard windows that turn 
> transparent like the Jaguar windows only without the lines when inactive or 
> deselected. The Mac OS X leopard menu bar, only with the Mac OS X cheetah 
> dark blue apple logo and when i click on it or go over it with my mouse, it 
> will shine, and the selected "blue box" around it will be blue and glossy 
> like the early beta builds of Mac OS X tiger. When the menu bar has any 
> button selected like "File" for example, it will have the blue glossy button 
> like the one on OS X tiger beta builds. And, on the dock, whenever i roll 
> over it, the area around it glows blue with an optional apple logo shaped 
> reflection on the dock. and, i'd like the same dock design as leopard, but 
> only make the icons and not the desktop reflected against the dock, and make 
> the dock glow blue. Dashboard should shatter through the desktop, and have a 
> completely individual desktop on it's own, and when it reverts back to the 
> desktop, the pieces of the desktop are put back together. when the system 
> starts up, instead of the regular Apple logo, it should be a black background 
> with the dark blue shiny apple logo like the one in the Mac OS X cheetah menu 
> bar, and the outline of the apple logo should have a line running on it 
> glowing blue, until the system is done loading and the entire apple logo 
> glows blue. then, every time you login, it says "welcome" in some video in 
> the same exact way that it was in the Mac OS X panther beta builds where a 
> school of fish/dots in a giant circle turned into the word "welcome", and 
> then it zooms in past the letters kinda like in the Mac OS X leopard intro, 
> and shows the desktop. That is my favorite theme. hopefully it's real or Mac 
> OS X 10.7 has it. Sorry if this is too descriptive, this is my vision of what 
> OS X should look like. blue glowing effects is a must. a good example of that 
> are the buttons in front row.

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Re: Leopard?

[Joshua Juran]

On Sep 26, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Midnight rider wrote:

Not to be a snitch or anything but i am pretty sure you aren't  
allowed to use rich text like those Apple logos and the Apple  
buttons.



Content-Type:   text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

No rich text here.

Mac OS has supported Unicode since 8.5.

Josh


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Re: Leopard?

[Bill Chapman]

 Fair enough

On 26/09/10 9:04 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

 On 10-09-26 5:35 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:

Sloppy

On 26/09/10 6:05 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

On 10-09-26 3:47 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:
try 'whether' 

wheather this or weather that : just a joke me friend : what's the harm






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Re: Leopard?

[Midnight rider]

A question to all I know this may sound stupid but hear me out

You all know the "UI nightmare" that is occurring on the iTunes 10 program,
right? I for one like it and i want to know if there is a system wide patch
because i want to make my iMac G4  look like it has a beta build of OS X
10.7.

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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-26 7:18 PM, Midnight rider wrote:
Not to be a snitch or anything but i am pretty sure you aren't allowed 
to use rich text like those Apple logos and the Apple buttons. 

Opps! My error! Sorry about that!

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Re: Leopard?

[Midnight rider]

Not to be a snitch or anything but i am pretty sure you aren't allowed to
use rich text like those Apple logos and the Apple buttons.

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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-26 5:35 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:

Sloppy

On 26/09/10 6:05 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

On 10-09-26 3:47 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:
try 'whether' 

wheather this or weather that : just a joke me friend : what's the harm






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Re: Leopard?

[Bill Chapman]

 Sloppy

On 26/09/10 6:05 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

 On 10-09-26 3:47 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:
try 'whether' 

 wheather this or weather that :  just a joke me friend : what's the harm



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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-26 3:47 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:
try 'whether' 

 wheather this or weather that :  just a joke me friend : what's the harm

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Re: Leopard?

[Bill Chapman]

 try 'whether'

On 26/09/10 5:33 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

 On 10-09-25 6:38 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:

 'Weather'?

On 24/09/10 6:57 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

 On 10-09-24 12:19 PM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
I've been using FruitMenu, Xounds and WindowshadeX, since Jaguar 
days; I'll keep using them until Apple gets its head out of its 
butt and put the functionality back into the "Mac OS". 
The same here. Apple has simply allowed third party software 
developers to make a few bucks weather we like it or not.





Yes, such as "weather" the storm of unsanity haxies...



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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-25 6:38 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:

 'Weather'?

On 24/09/10 6:57 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

 On 10-09-24 12:19 PM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
I've been using FruitMenu, Xounds and WindowshadeX, since Jaguar 
days; I'll keep using them until Apple gets its head out of its butt 
and put the functionality back into the "Mac OS". 
The same here. Apple has simply allowed third party software 
developers to make a few bucks weather we like it or not.





Yes, such as "weather" the storm of unsanity haxies...

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Re: Leopard?

[Bill Chapman]

 'Weather'?

On 24/09/10 6:57 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

 On 10-09-24 12:19 PM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
I've been using FruitMenu, Xounds and WindowshadeX, since Jaguar 
days; I'll keep using them until Apple gets its head out of its butt 
and put the functionality back into the "Mac OS". 
The same here. Apple has simply allowed third party software 
developers to make a few bucks weather we like it or not.




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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-24 2:31 PM, Joshua Juran wrote:

I write my own OS 9 extensions.

such as ? and to do what ?

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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-24 12:26 PM, Midnight rider wrote:
I was wondering if there is a patch for the OS 9 theme to make it look 
like leopard or at least jaguar. My Power Mac 6100 machine has my 
favorite startup chime of all time and it feels dated to have an OS 9 
desktop... 
I use Kaleidoscope ( it is somewhat dated )   albeit it does not have 
ready made themes for the two cats.  The themes it does have are good 
enough for me to get rid of that bland OS 9 appearance. However it does 
have a theme creater if you have the patience to work that program.


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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-24 12:19 PM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
I've been using FruitMenu, Xounds and WindowshadeX, since Jaguar days; 
I'll keep using them until Apple gets its head out of its butt and put 
the functionality back into the "Mac OS". 
The same here. Apple has simply allowed third party software developers 
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Re: Leopard?

[Malcolm O'Brien]

Wow! Did that ever remind me of Amiga screens!

Aside: One of the other editors at Transactor for the Amiga had a NeXT 
and said he liked it as much as he liked his Amiga.

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Re: Leopard?

[Bill Chapman]

 Oops... I meant 256kb

On 24/09/10 8:18 PM, Bill Chapman wrote:
 I have A-Dock, it's a 256Mb file (Stuffit)... anybody want it, send 
me an email


On 24/09/10 7:45 PM, Elliott Price wrote:
If anyone finds A-Dock, post a link! That sounds like a handy OS9 
hack, I always miss the dock when I use my machines running OS9. Icon 
shortcuts on the desktop? Tacky... Navigating apps from the Apple 
menu? Tedious. Although, I remember when that was the cool way to 
access your apps ;)



-Elliott




On Sep 24, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Steven wrote:

When combined with A-Dock, an implementation of the OS X dock for OS 
8 and OS 9, it actually provides a somewhat convincing appearance


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Re: Leopard?

[Bill Chapman]

 I have A-Dock, it's a 256Mb file (Stuffit)... anybody want it, send me 
an email


On 24/09/10 7:45 PM, Elliott Price wrote:

If anyone finds A-Dock, post a link! That sounds like a handy OS9 hack, I 
always miss the dock when I use my machines running OS9. Icon shortcuts on the 
desktop? Tacky... Navigating apps from the Apple menu? Tedious. Although, I 
remember when that was the cool way to access your apps ;)


-Elliott




On Sep 24, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Steven wrote:


When combined with A-Dock, an implementation of the OS X dock for OS 8 and OS 
9, it actually provides a somewhat convincing appearance


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Re: Leopard?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Sep 24, 2010, at 3:54 PM, Midnight rider wrote:

> OOOPS The screen is not 8600x6400, it was 2860x2640. Why did i forget
> the two and add the zero?

What brand and model TV is that that you have that runs at that resolution? 
I've never seen a 32" that went beyond standard 1920x1080 HD. That sounds like 
a rather nice upgrade for my office monitor...

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Re: Leopard?

[Steven]

I guess my phrasing was a little misleading. "Aquamakeover" is the one that is 
hard to find. A-Dock is still available online, here is the homepage:

http://jerome.foucher.free.fr/ADock/ADock.html

One thing I really like about it is that you can set a key combination to 
switch it on and off, just like the control strip. That way, you can bring it 
up only when you need it without cluttering up your desktop or overlapping the 
control strip (I usually have the control strip hidden unless I need to use one 
of the modules or check my battery life, but when I do use it it is nice to be 
able to get rid of the dock). Of course, you can also set it to hide and show 
automatically like the OS X dock, if you prefer that, but then it will pop up 
every time the cursor hits the bottom of the screen.

Steven


On Sep 24, 2010, at 6:45 PM, Elliott Price wrote:

> If anyone finds A-Dock, post a link! That sounds like a handy OS9 hack, I 
> always miss the dock when I use my machines running OS9. Icon shortcuts on 
> the desktop? Tacky... Navigating apps from the Apple menu? Tedious. Although, 
> I remember when that was the cool way to access your apps ;)
> 
> 
>   -Elliott

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Re: Leopard?

[Elliott Price]

If anyone finds A-Dock, post a link! That sounds like a handy OS9 hack, I 
always miss the dock when I use my machines running OS9. Icon shortcuts on the 
desktop? Tacky... Navigating apps from the Apple menu? Tedious. Although, I 
remember when that was the cool way to access your apps ;)


-Elliott




On Sep 24, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Steven wrote:

> When combined with A-Dock, an implementation of the OS X dock for OS 8 and OS 
> 9, it actually provides a somewhat convincing appearance

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Re: Leopard?

[Steven]

I know of one that was made way back when, and apparently it only goes as far 
as Jaguar. If I remember correctly it is a Kaleidoscope theme called 
"Aquamakeover" and since Apple cracked down on unauthorized use of the Aqua 
appearance it is very hard to find nowadays. When combined with A-Dock, an 
implementation of the OS X dock for OS 8 and OS 9, it actually provides a 
somewhat convincing appearance (a few years ago I was able to fool a couple of 
classmates into thinking I was running Leopard on a 1995 PowerBook 5300ce, 
though not for long). I'm not sure where you could find it though.

Steven


On Sep 24, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Midnight rider wrote:

> I was wondering if there is a patch for the OS 9 theme to make it look like 
> leopard or at least jaguar. My Power Mac 6100 machine has my favorite startup 
> chime of all time and it feels dated to have an OS 9 desktop...
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Re: Leopard?

[Midnight rider]

OOOPS The screen is not 8600x6400, it was 2860x2640. Why did i forget
the two and add the zero?

The video card however is an ATI Radeon 9800 pro 128MB. The other "Radeon
HD" card i was talking about was a upgrade in a friend's machine for his
PCI-e Dual 2.7Ghz Power mac G5. Sorry for the confusion... I was hit in the
head this morning by a dream and wanted waffles.

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Re: Leopard?

[Steven]

Somehow I doubt that. For one thing, even the experimental custom built million 
dollar Ultra High Definition Television sets only display a resolution of 
7680x4320, which can require as much as twenty-four gigabytes per second of 
bandwidth, so I have no idea where you could have found that kind of television 
or HDMI cable(s), let alone a graphics card for such an outdated computer. And 
even more importantly, even at 32" a screen resolution of 8600x6400 would 
result in a 308 pixels per inch screen, almost as much as an iPhone 4's Retina 
Display, meaning that you would need to sit centimeters away from the screen to 
see normal 12 point text. Either that was a joke or you made an incredible typo.

Steven


On Sep 24, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Midnight rider wrote:

> On my G4 sawtooth, I have a 32" LCD screen (actually a TV) plugged into it 
> using HDMI with a 8600x6400 resolution. It is good for my photoshop, but the 
> menu bar is too small.

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Re: Leopard?

[Steven]

That's the way I work too. I don't just have a "Cars" folder in my Wallpapers 
section, not even just "American Cars" or "Sedans," but folders like "1960s 
Sedans" and "1980s Muscle Cars," leading down a long, winding path of folder 
hierarchy. It may seem obsessive compulsive, and it is quite a hassle when I 
need to go through and organize it every once in a while, but none of that 
matters when I decide "you know what, I want my desktop picture to be a 1973 
Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight" and I can immediately find the right picture.

Steven


On Sep 24, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Ashgrove wrote:
> 
> Anal-retentive that I am, I do download all those desktop pics
> manually and sort them them by size for my different computers and/or
> monitors. Then of course I sort them out by themes, and so forth. It
> is time-consuming, and I agree that it is unnecessary in most cases.
> But that's just me.

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Re: Leopard?

[Midnight rider]

Well, earlier i had an ATI Radeon 9800 pro card in it that had 128MB of RAM,
but my jeff's friend has expirience in soldering things, and he was able to
give me a 1GB ATI Radeon HD 5300 card that goes into AGP. The only drawback
though is that it was meant for AGP 8x and the sawtooth can only use it at
AGP 2x or 4x speeds.

it currently has 1GB of Video RAM.

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Re: Leopard?

[Joshua Juran]

On Sep 24, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:



On Sep 23, 9:28 pm, Midnight rider  wrote:
Is there any system app i can download that i can use to change  
the system

theme in Mac OS X?
Unsanity haxies have ShapeShifter but  will not work reliably in  
SnowLeopard.


"Unsanity haxies will not work reliably"

There, fixed that for yah.

:-)

I've had more hassles with Unsanity stuff than I care to think about.

I switched to OS X BECAUSE OS9 Extensions Hell was driving me insane.


I write my own OS 9 extensions.  :-)

Josh


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Re: Leopard?

[Ashgrove]

On Sep 24, 2:47 pm, Elliott Price  wrote:
> I like to be very close to the screen I'm working on, so I don't use TV's - 
> The large pixels (meant for viewing farther away) are a bit distracting. Oh, 
> the problems of being near-sighted!

Ain't that a bitch. But the joy of being nearsighted is that you won't
need reading glasses for a long time... ;-)

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Re: Leopard?

[Ashgrove]

On Sep 24, 2:40 pm, Midnight rider  wrote:
> On my G4 sawtooth, I have a 32" LCD screen (actually a TV) plugged into it
> using HDMI with a 8600x6400 resolution. It is good for my photoshop, but the
> menu bar is too small.

You must have one hell of a video card, Mark. What graphic cards do
you have in that thing?

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Re: Leopard?

[Ashgrove]

On Sep 24, 2:34 pm, Elliott Price  wrote:
> I hear you! I just got a 13" Macbook pro for work (as a computer tech) 
> because of the portability factor. Let me tell you, it feels TINY, even 
> compared to my 17" iMac from 2006. Working with Illustrator and Dreamweaver 
> feels like a 600x800 screen... Yikes. I never do any real work on laptops - 
> Must have my iMac!

I hear you, too. I had a Santa Rosa Macbook and ended up selling it
and getting a 17" iMac, 2006 model like yours (the Core 2 Duo). I
wasn't even using it as a portable --I kept lugging around my 17"
PB...

Felix

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Re: Leopard?

[Elliott Price]

I like to be very close to the screen I'm working on, so I don't use TV's - The 
large pixels (meant for viewing farther away) are a bit distracting. Oh, the 
problems of being near-sighted!

I would love to get one of those new 27" LCD displays Apple just released... 
And then a 27" iMac to go with it. Wow, talk about screen real estate!


-Elliott




On Sep 24, 2010, at 11:40 AM, Midnight rider wrote:

> On my G4 sawtooth, I have a 32" LCD screen (actually a TV) plugged into it 
> using HDMI with a 8600x6400 resolution. It is good for my photoshop, but the 
> menu bar is too small.
> 

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Re: Leopard?

[Midnight rider]

On my G4 sawtooth, I have a 32" LCD screen (actually a TV) plugged into it
using HDMI with a 8600x6400 resolution. It is good for my photoshop, but the
menu bar is too small.

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Re: Leopard?

[Elliott Price]

I hear you! I just got a 13" Macbook pro for work (as a computer tech) because 
of the portability factor. Let me tell you, it feels TINY, even compared to my 
17" iMac from 2006. Working with Illustrator and Dreamweaver feels like a 
600x800 screen... Yikes. I never do any real work on laptops - Must have my 
iMac!


-Elliott




On Sep 24, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Midnight rider wrote:

> Besides GUI, I am definitely a person who uses really large monitors. I need 
> at least 20" monitors to consider is decent, 17" usable. I also use multiple 
> monitors on my computers, in fact my sawtooth has 3. I am very productive and 
> do much photoshopping, flash gaming and website managing, so a big screen and 
> multiple monitors is a must.

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Re: Leopard?

[Midnight rider]

Besides GUI, I am definitely a person who uses really large monitors. I need
at least 20" monitors to consider is decent, 17" usable. I also use multiple
monitors on my computers, in fact my sawtooth has 3. I am very productive
and do much photoshopping, flash gaming and website managing, so a big
screen and multiple monitors is a must.

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Re: Leopard?

[Midnight rider]

I was wondering if there is a patch for the OS 9 theme to make it look like
leopard or at least jaguar. My Power Mac 6100 machine has my favorite
startup chime of all time and it feels dated to have an OS 9 desktop...

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Re: Leopard?

[Ashgrove]

On Sep 24, 12:27 pm, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:
> It's too much work to worry about it manually, vastly easier to just let the 
> computer do all the scutwork for me...this is why we invented the damn things.


Anal-retentive that I am, I do download all those desktop pics
manually and sort them them by size for my different computers and/or
monitors. Then of course I sort them out by themes, and so forth. It
is time-consuming, and I agree that it is unnecessary in most cases.
But that's just me.

I have a collection of fractal desktop pictures (to go with Electric
Sheep when I'm in full fractal mode), and I find that sometimes
"Stretch to fit" produces interesting results...

F

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Re: Leopard?

[Dennis B. Swaney]

On 24/09/10 09:30PDT, Bruce Johnson wrote:


On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:



On Sep 23, 9:28 pm, Midnight rider   wrote:

  Is there any system app i can download that i can use to change the system
  theme in Mac OS X?

Unsanity haxies have ShapeShifter but  will not work reliably in SnowLeopard.


"Unsanity haxies will not work reliably"

There, fixed that for yah.



I've had no problems with them except when I tried to use them where 
Unsanity said they would not work: ShapeShifter in 10.5 for example.


I've been using FruitMenu, Xounds and WindowshadeX, since Jaguar days; 
I'll keep using them until Apple gets its head out of its butt and put 
the functionality back into the "Mac OS".


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Re: Leopard?

[Ashgrove]

On Sep 24, 12:31 pm, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:
> On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:39 PM, epic93d...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Just gonna throw my two cents in...
>
> > I prefer no gui. I tend to find that the mouse slows me down too much...
>
> Hey epic93dude, the 80's called, they want their troll back...


Ooooh, that was mean. That was cruel. That was uncalled for. That was
the best laugh I've had in ages...

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Re: Leopard?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:39 PM, epic93d...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just gonna throw my two cents in...
> 
> I prefer no gui. I tend to find that the mouse slows me down too much...

Hey epic93dude, the 80's called, they want their troll back...

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Re: Leopard?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

>> 
>> On Sep 23, 9:28 pm, Midnight rider  wrote:
>>> >  Is there any system app i can download that i can use to change the 
>>> > system
>>> >  theme in Mac OS X?
> Unsanity haxies have ShapeShifter but  will not work reliably in SnowLeopard.

"Unsanity haxies will not work reliably"

There, fixed that for yah.

:-)

I've had more hassles with Unsanity stuff than I care to think about. 

I switched to OS X BECAUSE OS9 Extensions Hell was driving me insane.

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Re: Leopard?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Sep 23, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

> Cool, would you please help me: how do use them as desktop pictures: most 
> site dedicated to desktop pictures have a download as desktop and also allow 
> you to select a screen size. Your help very much required and will be 
> appreciated.

Nope it's auld skool Mac user behavior: drag-n-drop, let the computer figure 
all of it out. 

I drag the pictures from the web site (Safari, NetNewsReader (all three sites 
have RSS feeds) and (iirc) Firefox all let you do this) into a desktop alias to 
my '/Users/johnson/Pictures' folder. This lets me drag a picture at any time, 
from anywhere...several of them are from my own iPhoto library, too. Wikimedia 
is another source of lots of really neat pictures.

With the APOD and Earth Observatory pics, sometimes I use the picture on the 
main page, sometimes I use the larger ones linked...it depends; sometimes the 
pic on the main page is a cropped version of the larger one (especially Landsat 
pics on the Earth Observatory page) showing just the cool bits.

I've got my desktop settings to 'Fill Screen' or 'Fit to Screen' (not 'stretch 
to fit' because that does all sorts of odd things), and set it to change every 
hour and choose randomly. 

I just ignore the details of the dimensions, size etc. The computer takes care 
of it. Oftimes the pictures are smaller than the screen resolution, but OS X 
scales them pretty well, actually, so they don't look too bad; if one looks 
really bad I just pull it out of the folder.

It's too much work to worry about it manually, vastly easier to just let the 
computer do all the scutwork for me...this is why we invented the damn things.

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Re: Leopard?

[Elliott Price]

In the Desktop preference pane, they're under the Apple tab, in the folder 
Desktop Pictures. And I'm running a clean install of SL, so I know they're not 
leftover from 10.4. 


-Elliott




On Sep 23, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

> On 10-09-23 11:05 AM, Elliott Price wrote:
>> Actually - They're still in the default desktops in the Desktop system 
>> preference...
> How do i get that in Leopard or Snow Leopard ?
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Re: Leopard?

[Bill Chapman]

 A penny for your thoughts... I guess somebody owes you one cent ; )

On 23/09/10 11:39 PM, epic93d...@gmail.com wrote:

Just gonna throw my two cents in...

I prefer no gui. I tend to find that the mouse slows me down too much...
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Re: Leopard?

[Bill Chapman]

 I was referring to the menu bars, etc... I like Tiger, Leopard the way 
Apple designed them... for the background, I use the default 
Leopard/Tiger images. In my case, it's psychological... signaling my 
better-late-than-never entry into the modern Mac era (in Jan 2008). When 
I was on 7-8 I used that mid-gray for quite awhile, and then switched to 
the medium blue/green. I think I switched to the Tiger swoosh on my PM 
8600 even before I got OS X machines.


On 23/09/10 3:17 PM, Tina K. wrote:

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:47:57 -0400, Bill Chapman wrote:

As a graphic designer, working on subtle desktops is an advantage. I
don't need any distracting colours competing for attention.

I used to use a solid medium grey desktop until it became so mind
numbing that it ended up being a distraction in itself. Now I use a
pretty desktop that makes me happy and I use full screen windows when
working on something so that I can focus on it.

Tina



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Re: Leopard?

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On 23/09/10 20:39PDT, epic93d...@gmail.com wrote:

Just gonna throw my two cents in...

I prefer no gui. I tend to find that the mouse slows me down too much...
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



Then you must LOVE MS-DOS!

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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

On Sep 23, 9:28 pm, Midnight rider  wrote:

>  Is there any system app i can download that i can use to change the system
>  theme in Mac OS X?
Unsanity haxies have ShapeShifter but  will not work reliably in 
SnowLeopard.


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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-23 9:31 PM, Ashgrove wrote:

As a late switcher from the other side, I find the Dock useful,
elegant, and hard to live without.
I prefer LaunchBar because after using a hot key to bring launch bar 
into action i simply type in name of the application, folder, or iTunes 
song and away it goes. You can also train it to accept just a single 
letter or a more to identify and launch an application etc.


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Re: Leopard?

[Tina K.]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:53:03 -0700, Joshua Juran wrote:
> "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one 
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all 
> progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw  
> (My apologies for the gender-loaded language.)

That is thoughtful of you but it's not necessary as far as I am 
concerned. No offense taken, I don't think that it was meant to be 
exclusionary.

Tina

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Re: Leopard?

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Just gonna throw my two cents in...

I prefer no gui. I tend to find that the mouse slows me down too much...
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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-23 3:02 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

Uhh, dude, you DO know you can change the desktop backgroun? I've got a folder of about 100-150 
pictures gleaned from the web 
(mostly,, 
and) and cycle 'em as a slide show.

Cool, would you please help me: how do use them as desktop pictures: 
most site dedicated to desktop pictures have a download as desktop and 
also allow you to select a screen size. Your help very much required and 
will be appreciated.


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Re: Leopard?

[Tina K.]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:47:57 -0400, Bill Chapman wrote:
> As a graphic designer, working on subtle desktops is an advantage. I 
> don't need any distracting colours competing for attention.

I used to use a solid medium grey desktop until it became so mind 
numbing that it ended up being a distraction in itself. Now I use a 
pretty desktop that makes me happy and I use full screen windows when 
working on something so that I can focus on it.

Tina

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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-23 11:05 AM, Elliott Price wrote:

Actually - They're still in the default desktops in the Desktop system 
preference...

How do i get that in Leopard or Snow Leopard ?

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Re: Leopard?

[Tina K.]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:05:32 -0700, Elliott Price wrote:
> But you're still greeted by the pink aurora when you log out.

That can be fixed as well either using a terminal command that I do not 
know, or simply by replacing 'DefaultDesktop.jpg' in Core Services. I 
always modify the login bg with my name and contact info should it be 
lost or stolen, and the small login window itself too.

Tina

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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-23 10:13 AM, Ashgrove wrote:

Same with screensavers --I use Electric Sheep, which is way,
way cool.
I use My Living Desktop which also colors the menu bar in tandem with 
the desktop picture  but leaves the dock platform at factory default.


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Re: Leopard?

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-09-22 8:25 PM, Steven wrote:

And also, though apparently many people hated them, I really love the operating 
system sounds of OS 8 and OS 9. After using one of my old laptops for a while, 
using Snow Leopard seems startlingly quiet, though there is no way that system 
sounds could have been transferred to Aqua; all the system sounds would be 
drips and splashes, which would get annoying much faster than the simple clicks 
of Platinum.
  I use the haxies by Unsanity: Xsounds ( a payware  
but for my pleasure well worth the cost ): http://unsanity.com/haxies/xounds


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Re: Leopard?

[Joshua Juran]

On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Steven wrote:


Exposé is much more powerful than you think.


Exposé is fine, but sometimes either Quartz or the GPU blows up.

90 text files is nothing compared to 112 QuickTime movies (and  
that's on a three year old iMac with just a gig of ram):


Don't be so sure.  At the compositor level, I suspect only the size of  
the pixel data matters.  Bit depth is fixed at 32, so it's down to the  
window bounds.  Text windows are generally full-page size, maybe three  
or four times the size of a YouTube video.



You should go ahead and try Exposé with all those windows open,


I just hit F9, and it took 7 seconds before the clock resumed.

though just to be safe you should probably try it when you have  
saved everything and finished for the day (if my computer crashes  
while I am playing with QuickTime I can just restart it. When you  
are doing real work, however, you can't take any chances).



The worst I've seen was teh GPU asplode, fixed after wake from sleep.

Josh


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Re: Leopard?

[Steven]

Exposé is much more powerful than you think. 90 text files is nothing compared 
to 112 QuickTime movies (and that's on a three year old iMac with just a gig of 
ram):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/obi1kenobi1/2428178027/

Or how about 90 QuickTime movies on an iBook G4 with 768mb of ram:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/obi1kenobi1/2428208921/

You should go ahead and try Exposé with all those windows open, though just to 
be safe you should probably try it when you have saved everything and finished 
for the day (if my computer crashes while I am playing with QuickTime I can 
just restart it. When you are doing real work, however, you can't take any 
chances).

Steven


On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Ashgrove wrote:
> 
> On Sep 23, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Joshua Juran wrote:
> 
>> Once I counted 90 windows in my text editor alone.
> 
> I shudder to think of what one could see
> on your computer screen using Exposé.)

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Re: Leopard?

[Joshua Juran]

On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:31 PM, Ashgrove wrote:


On Sep 23, 10:53 pm, Joshua Juran  wrote:


Ooh, don't get me started on the Dock. :-)


As a late switcher from the other side, I find the Dock useful,
elegant, and hard to live without. Far from perfect, of course, but
better than any Windows alternative I know. As far as I can tell,
though, most of the people vexed by it tend to be veteran Mac users.
Just anecdotic evidence, I guess, but food for thought...


I've also used the original NeXTStep dock.  The upper right tile was  
for the Workspace Manager (the file viewer app) and couldn't be  
moved.  Below it typically was Preferences, which displayed the date  
in its icon the way iCal does now (except it had to be running, which  
as of Leopard is not true of iCal).  By default, the bottom right tile  
was the recycler (aka trash).  The slots in between were free for you  
to add apps of your choosing.  App tiles contained an ellipsis (i.e.  
three dots) if the app wasn't running.  *Double-clicking* would launch  
the app, lightening the tile until the launch completed (and removing  
the ellipsis).  The dock only contained tiles that were placed there.


When you launched an app that wasn't in the dock, a tile for it was  
created and placed on the bottom of the display, starting at the  
left.  Windows minimized to tiles that were placed in the same way.   
You could drag dock tiles to other slots in the dock, you could drag  
non-dock app and minimized window tiles anywhere on the screen, and  
you could drag a running app's tile into the dock.  Tiles were  
activated by double-click, which either launched an app, brought the  
app's windows forward, or unminimized the window.


At no time did tiles move on their own or respond to a single-click  
(except for dragging).


The OS X dock is a classic case both of Apple trying to make something  
appear more simple than it really is, to (I argue) the detriment of  
users, as well as shipping a technology inferior to the state of the  
art *that they themselves set in the past*.  Other examples are iTunes  
and accidental Caps Lock prevention, respectively.


(Apparently the recycler can be moved to the other corner in OPENSTEP  
(i.e. NeXTStep 4), but this page shows the NeXTStep dock:)


OPENSTEP 4.2, Intel version, screen shots
http://toastytech.com/guis/openstep.html

You can see examples of apps in the dock running and not running, non- 
dock apps running, minimized window tiles, and holes in the dock (last  
image).


You can see that aside from the icons, the UI was designed for 2-bit  
grayscale -- black, white, and 2 shades of gray.  That's it.   
NeXTStep's idea of eye candy was the beautiful gray gradient  
background for dock tiles and the animated arrows of the recycler when  
you held a file over it.


The NeXTStep GUI was naturally beautiful.  Aqua applies gloss.

Josh

P.S.  Oops, looks like you got me started.  :-)


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Re: Leopard?

[Ashgrove]

On Sep 23, 9:28 pm, Midnight rider  wrote:
> Is there any system app i can download that i can use to change the system
> theme in Mac OS X?

I know of none that does the whole thing, but there are several that
let you customize specific features and can be used together. Off the
top of my head, there's WindowShade X (rolls up and/or minimizes
windows, and makes them transparent), SpaceSuit (a different desktop
background for each Space), Desktop Curtain (covers up a cluttered
desktop)... Several let you animate the desktop --I think Onyx is one,
VLC, and perhaps Movist, but there are more that escape me right now.
And of course, you can either customize Apple's screensavers or get
third-party ones, a lot of them for free. Electric Sheep is my
personal favorite, but there's Red Pill, Marine Aquarium (paid), Save
Hollywood (which plays movies)...

Keep in mind, though, that a lot of bells and whistles can end up
eating RAM, CPU and GPU resources like there's no tomorrow, leaving
you with very little head space to actually do some work, you
know. ;-)

F

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Re: Leopard?

[Ashgrove]

On Sep 23, 10:53 pm, Joshua Juran  wrote:
> Yeah, well I prefer to shape my computing environment to the way I  
> think rather than vice versa.
>
> "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one  
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all  
> progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw  (My  
> apologies for the gender-loaded language.)

Very well put. As for the gender-loaded language, we gotta work with
what we're given... ;-)

> Indeed.  I'm currently working on a cross-platform, scriptable GUI  
> toolkit.  It allows you to create things like scrolling documents or  
> an OK/Cancel dialog box -- in a shell script.

Sounds great!

> Ooh, don't get me started on the Dock. :-)

As a late switcher from the other side, I find the Dock useful,
elegant, and hard to live without. Far from perfect, of course, but
better than any Windows alternative I know. As far as I can tell,
though, most of the people vexed by it tend to be veteran Mac users.
Just anecdotic evidence, I guess, but food for thought...

I complement the Dock with XMenu and Namely. And, since I can't
program my way out of a paper bag, I use multiple screens and several
computers for simultaneous tasks.

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Re: Leopard?

[Joshua Juran]

On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Ashgrove wrote:


On Sep 23, 8:45 pm, Joshua Juran  wrote:


That would be great if my workflow divided neatly into separate
applications.  Sure, I have a space for chat and a space for mail,  
and

those apps are assigned to those spaces.  But each of them is also
littered with Web windows from clicking on links (or because I
searched for something relevant to a conversation).  And most of my
spaces have a Terminal window so I can quickly do Web searches.


Your workflow is a complicated affair (to put it mildly), so I guess


Yeah, well I prefer to shape my computing environment to the way I  
think rather than vice versa.


"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one  
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all  
progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw  (My  
apologies for the gender-loaded language.)



you would need to write a particularly versatile utility to help you
with it, or a completely different operating system. You seem more


Indeed.  I'm currently working on a cross-platform, scriptable GUI  
toolkit.  It allows you to create things like scrolling documents or  
an OK/Cancel dialog box -- in a shell script.



than capable to do both, so any advice I can give you is severely
limited by my layman status. (I shudder to think of what one could see
on your computer screen using Exposé.)


So do I.  I try to avoid hitting F9 on my iMac -- more often than not  
the GPU chokes and I have to put the machine to sleep before the  
graphics will draw correctly again.



However, you could do some workarounds, like assigning different
browsers to different Spaces, and making Terminal available in all
spaces. Another possibility: make your browser available in all
Spaces, and minimize windows to the Dock before switching spaces.


Ooh, don't get me started on the Dock. :-)

Thanks for your suggestions, though.

Josh


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Re: Leopard?

[Midnight rider]

Is there any system app i can download that i can use to change the system
theme in Mac OS X?

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Re: Leopard?

[Ashgrove]

On Sep 23, 8:45 pm, Joshua Juran  wrote:
> "so *on the road* I'd have to configure it for each user..."  Emphasis  
> added.
> I have pretty good cable Internet at home.  But occasionally I use my  
> laptop away from home and outside of a wireless hotspot.

Well, I'm glad, man!

> That would be great if my workflow divided neatly into separate  
> applications.  Sure, I have a space for chat and a space for mail, and  
> those apps are assigned to those spaces.  But each of them is also  
> littered with Web windows from clicking on links (or because I  
> searched for something relevant to a conversation).  And most of my  
> spaces have a Terminal window so I can quickly do Web searches.


Your workflow is a complicated affair (to put it mildly), so I guess
you would need to write a particularly versatile utility to help you
with it, or a completely different operating system. You seem more
than capable to do both, so any advice I can give you is severely
limited by my layman status. (I shudder to think of what one could see
on your computer screen using Exposé.)

However, you could do some workarounds, like assigning different
browsers to different Spaces, and making Terminal available in all
spaces. Another possibility: make your browser available in all
Spaces, and minimize windows to the Dock before switching spaces.
These steps are not going to solve your problems, but might help you
manage the mess.

F


> (Yes, clicking the Terminal window and typing 'gospatial finder'  
> is faster than sending the query through the Web browser UI, even if  
> Google is your home page.  The Tab keystroke completes the command  
> 'google', which is a Perl script that constructs the search query URL  
> and calls open(1) to load it in a Web browser.  Other commands include  
> 'lucky', 'image', and 'wp' (Wikipedia).)
>
> Josh

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Re: Leopard?

[Joshua Juran]

On Sep 23, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Ashgrove wrote:


On Sep 23, 7:34 pm, Joshua Juran  wrote:

Um, no.  First of all, dialup connections are per-user, not system-
wide, so if you switch users the connection drops.  My current phone
allows tethering over Bluetooth by providing a modem interface, so on
the road I'd have to configure it for each user and reconnect on  
every
switch.  Oh, and the phone side is a bit flaky so I have to reboot  
the

phone in between connections.  This is a dealbreaker.


I have been fortunate enough to have DLS for years now, so I am not
familiar with that issue. Sobering, though, the fact that almost in
the second decade of the 21st century, and in the country with the
greatest economy in the world, communications technologies are still
lagging behind in many places. LEM columnist Charles Moore just got
broadband in Nova Scotia, and it's still flaky.


"so *on the road* I'd have to configure it for each user..."  Emphasis  
added.


I have pretty good cable Internet at home.  But occasionally I use my  
laptop away from home and outside of a wireless hotspot.



(1) Go to a space with windows for apps A and B and activate app A.
(2) Switch to a space with windows for app B but not app A.  App B
activates (assuming it owns the front window).
(3) Switch back to the other space.  App B remains frontmost.

(When app B is the Finder, this happens even if the second screen has
no windows at all.)

See, 'current application' is a system-global property.  I want it to
be maintained per-space.


I finally see what you mean. But if you assign several apps to
different spaces and keep them open, that's a moot point. To switch
spaces, I just click on the app icon in my Dock, and that
simultaneously takes me to its space and makes that application the
current one. Two birds with one stone.


That would be great if my workflow divided neatly into separate  
applications.  Sure, I have a space for chat and a space for mail, and  
those apps are assigned to those spaces.  But each of them is also  
littered with Web windows from clicking on links (or because I  
searched for something relevant to a conversation).  And most of my  
spaces have a Terminal window so I can quickly do Web searches.


(Yes, clicking the Terminal window and typing 'gospatial finder'  
is faster than sending the query through the Web browser UI, even if  
Google is your home page.  The Tab keystroke completes the command  
'google', which is a Perl script that constructs the search query URL  
and calls open(1) to load it in a Web browser.  Other commands include  
'lucky', 'image', and 'wp' (Wikipedia).)


Josh


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Re: Leopard?

[Ashgrove]

On Sep 23, 7:34 pm, Joshua Juran  wrote:
> Um, no.  First of all, dialup connections are per-user, not system-
> wide, so if you switch users the connection drops.  My current phone  
> allows tethering over Bluetooth by providing a modem interface, so on  
> the road I'd have to configure it for each user and reconnect on every  
> switch.  Oh, and the phone side is a bit flaky so I have to reboot the  
> phone in between connections.  This is a dealbreaker.


I have been fortunate enough to have DLS for years now, so I am not
familiar with that issue. Sobering, though, the fact that almost in
the second decade of the 21st century, and in the country with the
greatest economy in the world, communications technologies are still
lagging behind in many places. LEM columnist Charles Moore just got
broadband in Nova Scotia, and it's still flaky.


> (1) Go to a space with windows for apps A and B and activate app A.
> (2) Switch to a space with windows for app B but not app A.  App B  
> activates (assuming it owns the front window).
> (3) Switch back to the other space.  App B remains frontmost.
>
> (When app B is the Finder, this happens even if the second screen has  
> no windows at all.)
>
> See, 'current application' is a system-global property.  I want it to  
> be maintained per-space.

I finally see what you mean. But if you assign several apps to
different spaces and keep them open, that's a moot point. To switch
spaces, I just click on the app icon in my Dock, and that
simultaneously takes me to its space and makes that application the
current one. Two birds with one stone.

F

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Re: Leopard?

[Charles Davis]

On Sep 23, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Joshua Juran wrote:


On Sep 23, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Ashgrove wrote:


On Sep 23, 6:27 pm, Joshua Juran  wrote:

I don't want a space for each app; I want a space for each  
*project*.


You need a different user per project. With "fast switching" on, that
should work for you.


Um, no.  First of all, dialup connections are per-user, not system- 
wide, so if you switch users the connection drops.
Not true --- action is user selectable -- see Network, Internal Modem,  
Advanced, PPP


[I'm on Dial-Up, so I'm familiar with what's available.

Chuck D.

 My current phone allows tethering over Bluetooth by providing a  
modem interface, so on the road I'd have to configure it for each  
user and reconnect on every switch.  Oh, and the phone side is a bit  
flaky so I have to reboot the phone in between connections.  This is  
a dealbreaker.


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Re: Leopard?

[Joshua Juran]

On Sep 23, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Ashgrove wrote:


On Sep 23, 6:27 pm, Joshua Juran  wrote:


I don't want a space for each app; I want a space for each *project*.


You need a different user per project. With "fast switching" on, that
should work for you.


Um, no.  First of all, dialup connections are per-user, not system- 
wide, so if you switch users the connection drops.  My current phone  
allows tethering over Bluetooth by providing a modem interface, so on  
the road I'd have to configure it for each user and reconnect on every  
switch.  Oh, and the phone side is a bit flaky so I have to reboot the  
phone in between connections.  This is a dealbreaker.


But even assuming wired use only, switching users still breaks network  
connections, like chat and IRC.  And now I'm paying to run two copies  
of all the apps.  My MacBook Pro's 4 GB isn't enough for that, and my  
iMac's 2 GB surely isn't.  Plus, having to enter a password on each  
switch?  What if I need to copy and paste between projects?  Sorry,  
but this is totally wrong.



Another issue is that the
current application is a global state, not a property of the current
space.  If I switch from space Foo to space Bar and back, I expect  
the

same application to be current, but that's not how Spaces works.


I am not sure what you mean. You can assign apps to specific spaces,
though, and some to open in all spaces. It takes some trial and error,
but it works great one you have it fine-tuned.


(1) Go to a space with windows for apps A and B and activate app A.
(2) Switch to a space with windows for app B but not app A.  App B  
activates (assuming it owns the front window).

(3) Switch back to the other space.  App B remains frontmost.

(When app B is the Finder, this happens even if the second screen has  
no windows at all.)


See, 'current application' is a system-global property.  I want it to  
be maintained per-space.


You might find John Siracusa's article on the 'Spatial Finder'  
illuminating:


About the Finder...
By John Siracusa


Speaking of which, can't I at least name my spaces to help me  
remember

how I'm using them?


Hyperspaces. It's a paid app, but it does what you need.


Hmmm, that might be a worthwhile add-on.

Josh


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Re: Leopard?

[Midnight rider]

I have hyperspaces on my sawtooth... it works like it says it does...

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Re: Leopard?

[Ashgrove]

On Sep 23, 6:27 pm, Joshua Juran  wrote:
> Quantity isn't everything...

In Spaces? Yeah. I need at least 32...

> I don't want a space for each app; I want a space for each *project*.  

You need a different user per project. With "fast switching" on, that
should work for you.

> Another issue is that the  
> current application is a global state, not a property of the current  
> space.  If I switch from space Foo to space Bar and back, I expect the  
> same application to be current, but that's not how Spaces works.  

I am not sure what you mean. You can assign apps to specific spaces,
though, and some to open in all spaces. It takes some trial and error,
but it works great one you have it fine-tuned.

> Speaking of which, can't I at least name my spaces to help me remember  
> how I'm using them?

Hyperspaces. It's a paid app, but it does what you need.

F

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Re: Leopard?

[Joshua Juran]

On Sep 23, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Ashgrove wrote:


On Sep 23, 5:32 pm, Joshua Juran  wrote:

I'm going to save these links, but these days I haven't bothered
changing my desktop picture, since I hardly ever see it.  My screen  
is

generally stuffed full with windows.  Dozens, maybe even hundreds.
Once I counted 90 windows in my text editor alone.

I guess in Leopard I could keep one Space free for a desktop photo.


Geez, and I thought I was bad, too. Spaces was a big bonus for me.
Before Spaces came out, I used Desktop Manager in Tiger, just to keep
things out of the way. The only bad thing about Spaces is, there's
barely 16 of them...


Quantity isn't everything...

On Sep 23, 2010, at 2:48 PM, Elliott Price wrote:

I always have ALL 16 spaces on... Each app gets it's own, and I  
usually have a couple blank.


I don't want a space for each app; I want a space for each *project*.   
A project might include Finder windows, text documents, Web browser  
sessions, and Terminal shells.  Also, indicating a window's space in  
the Window menu would have been helpful.  Another issue is that the  
current application is a global state, not a property of the current  
space.  If I switch from space Foo to space Bar and back, I expect the  
same application to be current, but that's not how Spaces works.   
Speaking of which, can't I at least name my spaces to help me remember  
how I'm using them?


Ashgrove also wrote:


Check out WindowShade X. It's a paid utility, but fairly cheap, and
extremely useful for clearing up clutter. Among other things, it lets
you roll up windows like in OS 9 --and then you can actually SEE your
desktop...


Activate windowless-app, Hide Others.

Hiding entire projects would be useful, but I'm not doing it manually,  
window by window.


Josh


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Re: Leopard?

[Bill Chapman]

 I prefer to think of the Leopard desktop as 'magenta'.

On 23/09/10 5:40 PM, Elliott Price wrote:

Yes, I do - Oops, I know I made it sound like that... I NEVER use the default 
desktop. But you're still greeted by the pinkness when you log out, or what 
have you. I'm a Mac tech, so I see Leopard and Snow Leopard's pink aurora on a 
lot of client's computers, and whenever you install a new system.
I'm also a photographer, so I always have my own latest photos up. :)

And don't get me wrong - I like every OSX GUI so far, but there's always just 
those few nagging things in each version... That's kind of what this thread 
turned into.


-Elliott






Uhh, dude, you DO know you can change the desktop backgroun? I've got a folder of about 100-150 
pictures gleaned from the web 
(mostly,, 
and) and cycle 'em as a slide show.



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Re: Leopard?

[Midnight rider]

Anyone has a suggested GUI for OS S 10.7 or a favorite one that's a mashup
of many other ones? read my post about my favorite GUI... it actually would
look good...

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Re: Leopard?

[Elliott Price]

I always have ALL 16 spaces on... Each app gets it's own, and I usually have a 
couple blank. I never have any files on my desktop, either. 


-Elliott




>> 
>> 
> 
> I'm going to save these links, but these days I haven't bothered changing my 
> desktop picture, since I hardly ever see it.  My screen is generally stuffed 
> full with windows.  Dozens, maybe even hundreds.  Once I counted 90 windows 
> in my text editor alone.
> 
> I guess in Leopard I could keep one Space free for a desktop photo.
> 
> Josh
> 

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Re: Leopard?

[Ashgrove]

On Sep 23, 5:32 pm, Joshua Juran  wrote:
> I'm going to save these links, but these days I haven't bothered  
> changing my desktop picture, since I hardly ever see it.  My screen is  
> generally stuffed full with windows.  Dozens, maybe even hundreds.  
> Once I counted 90 windows in my text editor alone.
>
> I guess in Leopard I could keep one Space free for a desktop photo.

Geez, and I thought I was bad, too. Spaces was a big bonus for me.
Before Spaces came out, I used Desktop Manager in Tiger, just to keep
things out of the way. The only bad thing about Spaces is, there's
barely 16 of them...

Check out WindowShade X. It's a paid utility, but fairly cheap, and
extremely useful for clearing up clutter. Among other things, it lets
you roll up windows like in OS 9 --and then you can actually SEE your
desktop...

F

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Re: Leopard?

[Elliott Price]

Yes, I do - Oops, I know I made it sound like that... I NEVER use the default 
desktop. But you're still greeted by the pinkness when you log out, or what 
have you. I'm a Mac tech, so I see Leopard and Snow Leopard's pink aurora on a 
lot of client's computers, and whenever you install a new system.
I'm also a photographer, so I always have my own latest photos up. :)

And don't get me wrong - I like every OSX GUI so far, but there's always just 
those few nagging things in each version... That's kind of what this thread 
turned into.


-Elliott




> 
> 
> Uhh, dude, you DO know you can change the desktop backgroun? I've got a 
> folder of about 100-150 pictures gleaned from the web (mostly 
> ,, and 
> ) and cycle 'em as a slide show.
> 

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Re: Leopard?

[Joshua Juran]

On Sep 23, 2010, at 2:02 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:39 AM, Elliott Price wrote:

I hope that in 10.7 they switch away from the pink backgrounds. I  
miss the old blue swooshes. They were so elegant, and really made  
Macs pop. Even the new aluminum and black Macs look a lot more  
classy with the 10.4 blue swoosh, rather then the dumb pink aurora.


Uhh, dude, you DO know you can change the desktop backgroun? I've  
got a folder of about 100-150 pictures gleaned from the web (mostly ,, and ) and cycle 'em as a slide show.


I'm going to save these links, but these days I haven't bothered  
changing my desktop picture, since I hardly ever see it.  My screen is  
generally stuffed full with windows.  Dozens, maybe even hundreds.   
Once I counted 90 windows in my text editor alone.


I guess in Leopard I could keep one Space free for a desktop photo.

Josh


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Re: Leopard?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:39 AM, Elliott Price wrote:

> I hope that in 10.7 they switch away from the pink backgrounds. I miss the 
> old blue swooshes. They were so elegant, and really made Macs pop. Even the 
> new aluminum and black Macs look a lot more classy with the 10.4 blue swoosh, 
> rather then the dumb pink aurora. 


Uhh, dude, you DO know you can change the desktop backgroun? I've got a folder 
of about 100-150 pictures gleaned from the web (mostly 
,, and 
) and cycle 'em as a slide show.


-- 
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University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group

Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs


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Re: Leopard?

[Midnight rider]

The Apple GUI never fails to surprise me with it's eye candy since the days
of Panther, and every new GUI is like a present from Apple to us to see and
work with the OS in a new way. I like all of the Apple themes so far, and i
think i will like the newer ones when they come out. If i were to have a
favorite Apple theme, it would be this: Mac OS X Leopard windows that turn
transparent like the Jaguar windows only without the lines when inactive or
deselected. The Mac OS X leopard menu bar, only with the Mac OS X cheetah
dark blue apple logo and when i click on it or go over it with my mouse, it
will shine, and the selected "blue box" around it will be blue and glossy
like the early beta builds of Mac OS X tiger. When the menu bar has any
button selected like "File" for example, it will have the blue glossy button
like the one on OS X tiger beta builds. And, on the dock, whenever i roll
over it, the area around it glows blue with an optional apple logo shaped
reflection on the dock. and, i'd like the same dock design as leopard, but
only make the icons and not the desktop reflected against the dock, and make
the dock glow blue. Dashboard should shatter through the desktop, and have a
completely individual desktop on it's own, and when it reverts back to the
desktop, the pieces of the desktop are put back together. when the system
starts up, instead of the regular Apple logo, it should be a black
background with the dark blue shiny apple logo like the one in the Mac OS X
cheetah menu bar, and the outline of the apple logo should have a line
running on it glowing blue, until the system is done loading and the entire
apple logo glows blue. then, every time you login, it says "welcome" in some
video in the same exact way that it was in the Mac OS X panther beta builds
where a school of fish/dots in a giant circle turned into the word
"welcome", and then it zooms in past the letters kinda like in the Mac OS X
leopard intro, and shows the desktop. That is my favorite theme. hopefully
it's real or Mac OS X 10.7 has it. Sorry if this is too descriptive, this is
my vision of what OS X should look like. blue glowing effects is a must. a
good example of that are the buttons in front row.

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Re: Leopard?

[Bill Chapman]

 I'm happy with the Tiger, Leopard etc stuff... the way Apple does 
things... Adobe rocks too, and QuarkXPress 8 is a lot like Adobe CS4 
stuff re UI, a big leap forward for Quark , very cool now to work with


On 23/09/10 3:00 PM, Midnight rider wrote:
I understand you too. I am a computer expert, but since I maintain a 
website, i do have to do alot of stuff on Apache, adoe flashbuilder 
and photoshop. I have to know alot of stuff on graphics design too. My 
style is: Metallic, transparent, and shining blue with the glossy 
effects like the menu bar in tiger.


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Re: Leopard?

[Midnight rider]

I understand you too. I am a computer expert, but since I maintain a
website, i do have to do alot of stuff on Apache, adoe flashbuilder and
photoshop. I have to know alot of stuff on graphics design too. My style is:
Metallic, transparent, and shining blue with the glossy effects like the
menu bar in tiger.

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Re: Leopard?

[Bill Chapman]

 As a graphic designer, working on subtle desktops is an advantage. I 
don't need any distracting colours competing for attention.


On 23/09/10 2:21 PM, Midnight rider wrote:
Apple always for some reason has managed to get back to it's classic 
monochromic themes. THe "Platimun" theme and the Leo/SL theme are both 
greyish and depressing. Only the leo and SL themes look a little more 
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