Re: iMac G3 - anyone in UK willing to breathe life back..?

[Colin Yarwood]

Thanks Mike

I am in Peterborough so not near at all.

I might take up the advice of the guy above and have a go! I was nervous 
because I saw warnings about high voltage!

Colin

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 8:48:06 PM UTC, Mike Linnett wrote:
>
> Whereabouts in the uk?
> I'm in Bristol, can't promise anything, but have fixed a couple up in the 
> past.
> Maybe tell us what's up and we'll try and diagnose?
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> On 22 Jan 2016, 20:29 +, Julia Brinckloe  >, wrote:
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> I also live in the U.S., but having bought or inherited a number of ailing 
> iMac G3's--13 to date--I have managed with my limited knowledge and skill 
> to fix and upgrade them ALL--merely by Googling each machine, system and 
> problem. Honestly, you can do this. And parts are out there--some even "new 
> old stock." Good luck!
>
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Re: iMac G3 - anyone in UK willing to breathe life back..?

[Mike Linnett]

Whereabouts in the uk?
I'm in Bristol, can't promise anything, but have fixed a couple up in the past.
Maybe tell us what's up and we'll try and diagnose?

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On 22 Jan 2016, 20:29 +, Julia Brinckloe, wrote:
> I also live in the U.S., but having bought or inherited a number of ailing 
> iMac G3's--13 to date--I have managed with my limited knowledge and skill to 
> fix and upgrade them ALL--merely by Googling each machine, system and 
> problem. Honestly, you can do this. And parts are out there--some even "new 
> old stock." Good luck!
> 
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Mark 
> Sokolovskymailto:coolmar...@gmail.com)>wrote:
> > 
> > I live in the US. Had I have lived there, I'd gladly fix them.
> > 
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Re: iMac G3 - anyone in UK willing to breathe life back..?

[Julia Brinckloe]

I also live in the U.S., but having bought or inherited a number of ailing
iMac G3's--13 to date--I have managed with my limited knowledge and skill
to fix and upgrade them ALL--merely by Googling each machine, system and
problem. Honestly, you can do this. And parts are out there--some even "new
old stock." Good luck!

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Re: iMac G3 - anyone in UK willing to breathe life back..?

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Re: iMac G3 400 Summer 2000 - wont boot

[Kari Rasmason]

that should say have NOT been on this list

On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Kari Rasmason  wrote:

> I have been on this list for years, but I just happened across your
> message. It was very easy to replace the hard drive in the iMac 400DV. You
> have to take the computer apart, but ifixit has a how-to with pics. I got
> rid of mine many years ago, but I might still have the disks if you need
> them.
> Kari
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:50 AM, Colin Yarwood 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello again!
>>
>> So, apologies for the typos before :-(
>>
>> I removed the original PRAM battery and replaced it with a more recent
>> but perhaps not quite new one and we have a little progress:
>>
>> The start button has stopped flickering and after 9 seconds held down
>> goes off
>>
>> I found the unbent paperclip click point and ther was no disk inside. I
>> found my original two CDs and tried to put them in. The slot accepts them
>> takes tem in and in the nicest possible way - pushes them out again... no
>> go there.
>>
>> I tried all the options again including shift hed down, ctrl & cmd, c, a
>> no go
>>
>> I dug out a Formac FW CD/DVD drive which I connected up (it works on my
>> MBP!) but it wont allow the iMac to boot either of the CDs if installed.
>>
>> I have tried a USB card reader with a flash memory module which has
>> various Mac OS's installed but zilch.
>>
>> I will order a new PRAM battery today and try again but otherwsie it
>> seems likely to be more problematical and probably HDD related?
>>
>> Does anyone know if the CD drivers are on the HDD or in ROM? If on HDD
>> that would explain why it wont load the CD...? Wouldnt it?
>>
>> I see elsewhere that replacing an HDD in an iMac isnt seen as being a
>> user job.
>>
>>  any thoughts as to what my disk options would be. size limits?
>> Its running OS 9.0 at present but I am happy to install OS X.
>>
>> Advice, thoughts?
>>
>> Colin
>>
>> On Monday, April 6, 2015 at 8:54:40 PM UTC+1, jmbrinck wrote:
>>>
>>> Same thing happened not long ago with my old Mac 6100CD. And a new PRAM
>>> battery got it booted. Worth a try.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Colin Yarwood 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Guys

 Having good my LC475 and PB1400s working again ;-) I thought Id pull
 the old iMac Indigo out and see if I can get it to run.

 I recall we had it halt and it didnt want to start again c 2003 before
 we put it in the garage...


 So, got it out cleaned it up and added a keyboard and mouse and
 connected up to mains.

 Pressed the button and it went clunk and a green light lit around the
 button and flickers - something somewhere inside the case flutters
 regularly but no sign of life on the screen.

 I tried option startup keys and it doesnt do any different - no FW mode
 startup, No alt disk.

 I think there is a CD in the slot - I couldnt put its original CD in
 anyway and as its a  slot loader I could not find the paper clip with to
 eject it powered on or not! I looked at leaft and right of slot without
 success :-(

 I have a FW disk and pugged it in and tried to start it but while its
 light came on it went off as did the green light on the iMac.

 Any ideas? PRAM Battery? Same as LC475 3.6 V?

 Colin

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Re: iMac G3 400 Summer 2000 - wont boot

[Kari Rasmason]

I have been on this list for years, but I just happened across your
message. It was very easy to replace the hard drive in the iMac 400DV. You
have to take the computer apart, but ifixit has a how-to with pics. I got
rid of mine many years ago, but I might still have the disks if you need
them.
Kari

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:50 AM, Colin Yarwood 
wrote:

> Hello again!
>
> So, apologies for the typos before :-(
>
> I removed the original PRAM battery and replaced it with a more recent but
> perhaps not quite new one and we have a little progress:
>
> The start button has stopped flickering and after 9 seconds held down goes
> off
>
> I found the unbent paperclip click point and ther was no disk inside. I
> found my original two CDs and tried to put them in. The slot accepts them
> takes tem in and in the nicest possible way - pushes them out again... no
> go there.
>
> I tried all the options again including shift hed down, ctrl & cmd, c, a
> no go
>
> I dug out a Formac FW CD/DVD drive which I connected up (it works on my
> MBP!) but it wont allow the iMac to boot either of the CDs if installed.
>
> I have tried a USB card reader with a flash memory module which has
> various Mac OS's installed but zilch.
>
> I will order a new PRAM battery today and try again but otherwsie it seems
> likely to be more problematical and probably HDD related?
>
> Does anyone know if the CD drivers are on the HDD or in ROM? If on HDD
> that would explain why it wont load the CD...? Wouldnt it?
>
> I see elsewhere that replacing an HDD in an iMac isnt seen as being a user
> job.
>
>  any thoughts as to what my disk options would be. size limits?
> Its running OS 9.0 at present but I am happy to install OS X.
>
> Advice, thoughts?
>
> Colin
>
> On Monday, April 6, 2015 at 8:54:40 PM UTC+1, jmbrinck wrote:
>>
>> Same thing happened not long ago with my old Mac 6100CD. And a new PRAM
>> battery got it booted. Worth a try.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Colin Yarwood 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Guys
>>>
>>> Having good my LC475 and PB1400s working again ;-) I thought Id pull the
>>> old iMac Indigo out and see if I can get it to run.
>>>
>>> I recall we had it halt and it didnt want to start again c 2003 before
>>> we put it in the garage...
>>>
>>>
>>> So, got it out cleaned it up and added a keyboard and mouse and
>>> connected up to mains.
>>>
>>> Pressed the button and it went clunk and a green light lit around the
>>> button and flickers - something somewhere inside the case flutters
>>> regularly but no sign of life on the screen.
>>>
>>> I tried option startup keys and it doesnt do any different - no FW mode
>>> startup, No alt disk.
>>>
>>> I think there is a CD in the slot - I couldnt put its original CD in
>>> anyway and as its a  slot loader I could not find the paper clip with to
>>> eject it powered on or not! I looked at leaft and right of slot without
>>> success :-(
>>>
>>> I have a FW disk and pugged it in and tried to start it but while its
>>> light came on it went off as did the green light on the iMac.
>>>
>>> Any ideas? PRAM Battery? Same as LC475 3.6 V?
>>>
>>> Colin
>>>
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Re: iMac G3 Bondi - Voodoo 2 card in mezzanine slot

[Naavexen Erhora]

Try looking for a Voodoo 2 driver for OS X; That's the thing that should be 
required. I could also help you to get Linux working. You do not need a 
mezzanine driver: It is simply a PCI slot with an alternate connector.

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Re: iMac G3 400 Summer 2000 - wont boot

[Colin Yarwood]

Hello again!

So, apologies for the typos before :-(

I removed the original PRAM battery and replaced it with a more recent but 
perhaps not quite new one and we have a little progress:

The start button has stopped flickering and after 9 seconds held down goes 
off

I found the unbent paperclip click point and ther was no disk inside. I 
found my original two CDs and tried to put them in. The slot accepts them 
takes tem in and in the nicest possible way - pushes them out again... no 
go there.

I tried all the options again including shift hed down, ctrl & cmd, c, a no 
go

I dug out a Formac FW CD/DVD drive which I connected up (it works on my 
MBP!) but it wont allow the iMac to boot either of the CDs if installed.

I have tried a USB card reader with a flash memory module which has various 
Mac OS's installed but zilch.

I will order a new PRAM battery today and try again but otherwsie it seems 
likely to be more problematical and probably HDD related? 

Does anyone know if the CD drivers are on the HDD or in ROM? If on HDD that 
would explain why it wont load the CD...? Wouldnt it?

I see elsewhere that replacing an HDD in an iMac isnt seen as being a user 
job.

 any thoughts as to what my disk options would be. size limits? Its 
running OS 9.0 at present but I am happy to install OS X.

Advice, thoughts?

Colin

On Monday, April 6, 2015 at 8:54:40 PM UTC+1, jmbrinck wrote:
>
> Same thing happened not long ago with my old Mac 6100CD. And a new PRAM 
> battery got it booted. Worth a try. 
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Colin Yarwood  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Guys
>>
>> Having good my LC475 and PB1400s working again ;-) I thought Id pull the 
>> old iMac Indigo out and see if I can get it to run.
>>
>> I recall we had it halt and it didnt want to start again c 2003 before we 
>> put it in the garage...
>>
>>
>> So, got it out cleaned it up and added a keyboard and mouse and connected 
>> up to mains.
>>
>> Pressed the button and it went clunk and a green light lit around the 
>> button and flickers - something somewhere inside the case flutters 
>> regularly but no sign of life on the screen.
>>
>> I tried option startup keys and it doesnt do any different - no FW mode 
>> startup, No alt disk.
>>
>> I think there is a CD in the slot - I couldnt put its original CD in 
>> anyway and as its a  slot loader I could not find the paper clip with to 
>> eject it powered on or not! I looked at leaft and right of slot without 
>> success :-(
>>
>> I have a FW disk and pugged it in and tried to start it but while its 
>> light came on it went off as did the green light on the iMac.
>>
>> Any ideas? PRAM Battery? Same as LC475 3.6 V?
>>
>> Colin
>>
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Re: iMac G3 400 Summer 2000 - wont boot

[Julia Brinckloe]

Same thing happened not long ago with my old Mac 6100CD. And a new PRAM
battery got it booted. Worth a try.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Colin Yarwood 
wrote:

> Hi Guys
>
> Having good my LC475 and PB1400s working again ;-) I thought Id pull the
> old iMac Indigo out and see if I can get it to run.
>
> I recall we had it halt and it didnt want to start again c 2003 before we
> put it in the garage...
>
>
> So, got it out cleaned it up and added a keyboard and mouse and connected
> up to mains.
>
> Pressed the button and it went clunk and a green light lit around the
> button and flickers - something somewhere inside the case flutters
> regularly but no sign of life on the screen.
>
> I tried option startup keys and it doesnt do any different - no FW mode
> startup, No alt disk.
>
> I think there is a CD in the slot - I couldnt put its original CD in
> anyway and as its a  slot loader I could not find the paper clip with to
> eject it powered on or not! I looked at leaft and right of slot without
> success :-(
>
> I have a FW disk and pugged it in and tried to start it but while its
> light came on it went off as did the green light on the iMac.
>
> Any ideas? PRAM Battery? Same as LC475 3.6 V?
>
> Colin
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Re: iMac G3 Snow—equivalent to original optical drive

[Alex Santos]

>
> After reading the service manual for this machine, I realized that if the 
> plastic casing is not properly installed it can keep the optical discs from 
> ejecting and this is the issue my iMac has (bought second hand) so I will 
> investigate and likely refurb the drive to the best of my ability.
>

Thanks for the reply and tips! 

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Re: iMac G3 Snow—equivalent to original optical drive

[J. R. Rosen]

Alex, try www.otherworldcomputing.com

If they don't have a new piece that works, they would have refurbished to think 
about--maybe.
-OR-
lowendmac.com, and ask them about your iMac G3.


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> Dear users
> 
> I have an iMac G3 Snow.
> 
> I would like to purchase a new optical drive that behaves the same way as the 
> original and could physically fit in the drive bay.
> 
> I am not interested in finding an Apple branded drive as they would likely 
> all be used/refurbed, have a short warranty and likely cost too much. I don't 
> want an external device. Before I forget, it should be able to boot my 
> original discs, OS9 & OSX retail.
> 
> Are equivalent drives still made today that I can purchase?
> 
> I would sincerely appreciate any guidance.
> 
> Thank you very much!
> Alex
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Re: iMac G3 266 Bondi (Rev. C) Question

[Matthew Gill]

It is in fact bondi-blue, and the factory sticker indicates 266MHz with a 
6GB drive, thereby meaning it must be a Rev. C. There was some information 
on lowendmac about a rumor that Apple had extra bondi cases left, so they 
used them in 99 for Rev C. models...

You can tell it's definitely a Rev C because there is no IrDA port on the 
front like all the others... aside from the factory specs of 266/6GB...

I'll be holding onto it until I figure out how rare it is. There isn't a 
single one to be found on eBay.

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> I stumbled across an iMac G3 Bondi-Blue (tray loader, sans Infrared on the 
> front)... from what I understand, this is considered a Rev. C model. Are 
> these rare? Are they of any value?
>
> Thanks!
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Re: iMac G3 266 Bondi (Rev. C) Question

[Matthew Gill]

Right, and it's not on everymac.com either..

Steve Jobs announced this faster, more feature laden iMac at Macworld Expo 
99 in San Francisco. In addition to a 14% faster CPU and 50% larger hard 
drive, the 266 MHz iMac shipped in five different colors: tangerine, grape, 
lime, blueberry, and strawberry. *There are rumors that some Bondi blue 
ones were built in January 1999 using the last of the Bondi cases.*
*
*
It's definitely a bondi-blue 266... strange. I'll be holding onto it until 
I find out if it has any rare collector value.

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Re: iMac G3 266 Bondi (Rev. C) Question

[Matthew Gill]

from lowendmac:

Steve Jobs announced this faster, more feature laden iMac at Macworld Expo 
99 in San Francisco. In addition to a 14% faster CPU and 50% larger hard 
drive, the 266 MHz iMac shipped in five different colors: tangerine, grape, 
lime, blueberry, and strawberry. *There are rumors that some Bondi blue 
ones were built in January 1999 using the last of the Bondi cases.*
*
*
It has to be a rare machine, but it says it's a 266 with a 6GB drive behind 
the door. It is bondi-blue, and has no Infared port on the front, 
indicating it is a Rev C, from what I understand.

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Re: iMac G3 266 Bondi (Rev. C) Question

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According to MacTracker, there was no Bondi Blue @ 266.  There was a  
Grape @ 266, but Bondi's only came in 233, and went only to revision  
B... unless they had an accelerator card put in a 233 like I did in  
mine back in '98.



On May 1, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Gary Fortman wrote:


Bondi blue is only rev A
Not rare at all
Value is minimal


Sent from my iPhone

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I stumbled across an iMac G3 Bondi-Blue (tray loader, sans  
Infrared on the front)... from what I understand, this is  
considered a Rev. C model. Are these rare? Are they of any value?


Thanks!

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Re: iMac G3 266 Bondi (Rev. C) Question

[Gary Fortman]

Bondi blue is only rev A
Not rare at all
Value is minimal


Sent from my iPhone

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I stumbled across an iMac G3 Bondi-Blue (tray loader, sans Infrared  
on the front)... from what I understand, this is considered a Rev. C  
model. Are these rare? Are they of any value?


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Re: iMac G3

[Dan]

At 10:00 AM -0800 1/30/2012, D. Fabel wrote:
I've got an iMac G3 400MHz that, when the DVD drive is connected, 
will only boot to a tan colored screen.  Disconnect the drive and it 
works fine.  Any ideas as to what the problem might be?


USB or Firewire drive?

Still happens after resetting the nvram?

Something is stopping the bootstrap from building the full device 
tree.  Could be the bus is foo, the cable, or the drive.  Do the 
cable and drive work properly (and no errors thrown into the system 
log!) if plugged in *after* the machine has booted?


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Re: iMac G3

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That is quite interesting, I've never heard of it doing that. Do you have
another iMac that you can borrow a drive from to see if it's an iMac
problem or a drive problem?

Also, is there a disk in the drive?

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Re: iMac G3 HDD upgrade or not?

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I would say go with external hard drives for they will hold more than the
internal drive, are cheaper and also will be easier to move if you ever get
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Re: iMac G3 HDD upgrade or not?

[Alex Sciortino]

Media server

On Oct 11, 2011, at 8:54 PM, "D. Fabel"  wrote:

> Alex,
> 
> Really, what size hard drive to recommend depends upon what you'd like to do 
> with the iMac.  For what use is it destined???
> 
> Doug
> Portland, OR
> 
> 
> On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Alex Sciortino wrote:
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>> I have an iMac g3 and it has a 40gb hdd should I upgrade? If so what size 
>> and how?
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Re: iMac G3 HDD upgrade or not?

[Robert MacLeay]

If this is your every day Mac, you should definitely upgrade, but
installing a new hard drive may not the most cost-effective choice.

Hard drives wear out. Most come with only 3-year warranties, and while
some last for much longer, I would guess that more than half of the
drives manufactured 10 years ago are dead by now.

In short, regardless of whether you need more storage space, your hard
drive is living on borrowed time. Replace it before you lose
everything. (Of course, if you back up to another drive regularly...)

You are probably subject to the 128GB limit, so while you CAN install
a larger drive, you will only be able to use the first 120 Gb of it.
Remember when you go shopping that you need the older PATA/IDE/ATA
interface instead of the newer and now more common SATA.  Best to
check a site like OWC [http://eshop.macsales.com/] who will suggest
exact replacements that they guarantee will work for you.

Unfortunately, even the cheapest available new drives will probably
cost more than a G3 iMac is worth. The best strategy may be to BUY AN
EXTERNAL BACKUP DRIVE AND USE IT. Then continue using your iMac until
it dies a natural death, give it to the recyclers, buy the cheapest
working G3/G4 you can find locally, and restore your backup to it.

p.s. You are limited to 128 GB only for an internal drive. You can use
any size external drive.

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> I have an iMac g3 and it has a 40gb hdd should I upgrade? If so what size and 
> how?

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Re: iMac G3 HDD upgrade or not?

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If you need more storage space, buy an external drive. I own a
graphite G3 iMac with a 40 gig drive that runs just fine, with  OS
10.3.9 and 9.2.2.

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Re: iMac G3 HDD upgrade or not?

[D. Fabel]

Oooh, Tina reminds me...  Again, depending upon which iMac, you may also have 
partition issues for the OS.  The older tray loaders needed the OS within the 
first 8GB (maybe less) of the hard drive.

Doug


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> Not knowing which iMac you have, and being of poor memory, it may be subject 
> to a 128GB limit making a 120GB drive your practical maximum unless you want 
> to partition a larger drive.
> 
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Re: Imac G3 ..browsing problem

[Dan]

At 12:07 PM -0700 10/11/2011, eric salazar wrote:

I mac G3 400mhz , with Mac OSX10.3.9

when I try to browse in safari it does not let me do it properly 
like email or facebook or even youtube , it says I need to update or 
upgrade my browser but I have no idea how to work it out...!


This is an age-old annoyance.  Web sites should query the browser to 
ask it if it supports a specific technology.  Instead they just check 
the overall version of the browser, then tell the user to get lost...


Sites such as YouTube require newer versions of Flash or an h.264 codec.

Email sites often require better JavaScript or perhaps HTML 5 features.

Christopher's suggestion of trying an alternative browser is good. 
But TenFourFox - a build of the latest Mozilla Firefox that will run 
on Tiger, won't help you.  Instead reach for Classilla - an updated 
build of WaMCom Mozilla, done by the same guy.


http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/

Here are builds of Camino and more Firefox, that will run on Panther:
http://www.rpm-mozilla.org.uk/index.html

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Re: Imac G3 ..browsing problem

[Tina K.]

On 2011/10/11 13:07, eric salazar so eloquently wrote:

I hace an I mac G3 400mhz , with Mac OSX10.3.9, when I try to browse
in safari it does not let me do it properly like email or facebook or
even youtube , it says I need to update or upgrade my browser but I
have no idea how to work it out...! nedd some advise ...also if
anybody knows if i can install ubuntu linux in this mac..!!


You may need to "update" the Flash player plugin, though the most recent 
one that you can use, probably v9, is outdated.


Any G3 is not going to handle Flash video very well, even some G4s 
struggle with Flash video.


Ubuntu does not officially support Power PC anymore, but there are 
unofficial builds for PPC, though you'll likely need an older build for 
a G3. Not everything will work though, for instance there is no Flash 
player build for PPC.


There is a Mac section in the Ubuntu forums that is a good source of 
information about PPC Ubuntu. Also if you find a build that will run on 
your G3 iMac you might want to try one of the lighter desktops like 
XFCE, the Gnome & KDE desktops are more system intensive. There are also 
lighter linux builds such as Puppy linux but I don't know if any of them 
support PPC.


This might be a good place to start:



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Re: iMac G3 HDD upgrade or not?

[Tina K.]

On 2011/10/10 11:09, Alex Sciortino so eloquently wrote:

I have an iMac g3 and it has a 40gb hdd should I upgrade? If so what size and 
how?


That depends on what you intend to use your iMac for. If you want to 
store a few photos and a little bit of music, 40GB might be fine. But if 
you want to store a lot of pics, music, and/or videos you'll probably 
want a larger drive.


Not knowing which iMac you have, and being of poor memory, it may be 
subject to a 128GB limit making a 120GB drive your practical maximum 
unless you want to partition a larger drive.


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Re: Imac G3 ..browsing problem

[Christopher Satterfield]

Try downloading Ten Four Fox, it'll run on that OS (I believe) and also
won't have that message.


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Re: iMac G3 HDD upgrade or not?

[D. Fabel]

Alex,

Really, what size hard drive to recommend depends upon what you'd like to do 
with the iMac.  For what use is it destined???

Doug
Portland, OR


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> I have an iMac g3 and it has a 40gb hdd should I upgrade? If so what size and 
> how?

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Re: iMac G3 Rev D

[gifutiger]

Greetings.

That's very interesting, since I have a G3 Desktop, also known as the
"Gossamer" and the only way that I could get my Retail "Mac OS X
Panther Version 10.3 (3 Disk C/D) 2Z691-4585-A to load was to first
install "XPostFacto" then everything went well.

Below is information retrieved from MacTracker.

OVERVIEW

Introduced  November 1997 (233, 266 MHz) March 1998 (266, 300 MHz)
DiscontinuedJanuary 1999
Model Identifier510
Model Number--
Order NumberM6141LL/A (233 MHz), M6202LL/A, M6508LL/A (266 MHz),
M6141LL/A (300 MHz)
Initial Price   $1,999 (M6141LL/A) $2,399 (M6202LL/A) $1,599 (M6508LL/A)
$1,999 (M6141LL/A)
Support Status  Obsolete
Weight and Dimensions   22 lbs., 6.3" H x 14.4" W x 16.9" D
PROCESSOR

Processor   PowerPC 750 (G3)
Processor Speed 233, 266, or 300 MHz
Number of Cores 1
Cache   64 KB L1, 512 KB or 1 MB backside (1:2) L2
System Bus  66 MHz
STORAGE AND MEDIA

Storage 4 or 6 GB
Media   24x CD-ROM, DVD-ROM, 1.44 MB floppy, Optional Zip
PERIPHERALS

Peripherals AppleDesign Keyboard and ADB Mouse II

Cheers

Harry
San Jose, Ca

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> The 867 MHz limit is only for Leopard. The other versions require specific
> stuff like Tiger requires built in Firewire, Panther needs build in USB,
> etc.
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Re: iMac G3 Rev D

[D. Fabel]

Thanks for the responses.  I'll hit all 4 at once...

1 and 4) Your loading problem could be that Apple doesn't want OSX loaded onto 
platforms that hav a processor slower than 876Mhz...  According to Apple, 10.3 
is supported for this hardware (iMac Rev D w/ USB).

2) Sounds like the mac may have a firmware password set...  Hmmm.  The iMac was 
a gift for my 3 year old.  It came a  friend who is contract tech support.  He 
pulled it from a clients "trash" pile.  This is definitely worth a try!

3) Is that a genuine 10.3 disc or a copy?  Great question, as who knows what's 
actually on a torrent.  However, they're the black retail CDs, original box and 
all.


Your patience is much appreciated in this!  We have been PC users for quite 
some time and the last pre-Intel Mac in this house was the little SE30...

Doug
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Re: iMac G3 Rev D

[Christopher Satterfield]

The 867 MHz limit is only for Leopard. The other versions require specific
stuff like Tiger requires built in Firewire, Panther needs build in USB,
etc.



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Re: iMac G3 Rev D

[Jack Suggs]

Is that a genuine 10.3 disc or a copy?

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Re: iMac G3 Rev D

[Jay T]

Sounds like the mac may have a firmware password set. Try removing 1/2
the ram or changing the amount of ram in the slots. Then boot. That
should reset the firmware password and allow you to boot from another
volume besides the internal hard drive.



On Aug 16, 12:57 am, "D. Fabel"  wrote:
> Quick question for everyone.
>
> I was given a G3 Rev D (tray loader).  I have retail discs (CDs) for both OS 
> 10.0 and 10.3.  With the 10.0 disc I can change the "Start Up" disk to point 
> to the CD.  With the 10.3 disc, I cannot.  Any thoughts on what might be 
> happening here?  
>
> I've tried installing all the updates, but admit I am new to Mac and a little 
> unclear what is supposed to be happening (or what version I "should" have).  
> What I've found is the following:
>
> ROM Version $77D.45F6
> Boot ROM version 3.0.F2
> Mac OS Rom File version 8.7
>
> Why is everything called a ROM?  I'm confused and would appreciate 
> enlightenment!
>
> Thanks,
> Doug
> Portland, OR

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Re: iMac G3 Rev D

[gifutiger]

Greetings,

Your loading problem could be that Apple doesn't want OSX loaded onto
platforms that hav a processor slower than 876Mhz.

When loading the disk a check is done to make sure tha the processor
meets or exceeds the min. speed requirements.

If your processor doesn't meet these requirements then you'll need to
get a copy of "XPOSTFACTO" at http://eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter/XPostFacto/

XPostFacto patches the memory location where the processor speed is
stored. Therefor when the OSX disk starts to load it will see a number
that meets or exceeds the min. requirement.

Cheers

Harry
San Jose, Ca

On Aug 16, 5:09 pm, "D. Fabel"  wrote:
> LOL...  Great responses, but guess I should have been more specific in what 
> I'm looking for.
>
> Why do I have 3 ROMs?  What do each of them do?  What "should" the latest and 
> greatest version of each be?
>
> ROM Version $77D.45F6
> Boot ROM version 3.0.F2
> Mac OS Rom File version 8.7
>
> Doug
> Portland, OR

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Re: iMac G3 Rev D

[D. Fabel]

Thanks Bruce.  I've tried holding down the 'C' key, but that doesn't work on 
this particular Mac.  Seems to work on every other Mac I own, just not this 
one...  Any other ideas to get the 10.3 CD to boot?

And for a "rough" equivalent, sounds like Boot ROM is similar to a PC's Master 
Boot Record.  ROM Version would be the BIOS.  Mac OS ROM file would be "other" 
low level routines.  Am I close?


On Aug 16, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>> 
>> ...With the 10.0 disc I can change the "Start Up" disk to point to the CD.  
>> With the 10.3 disc, I cannot.  Any thoughts on what might be happening here? 
>>  
>> 
> 
> Don't know...but holding down the 'C' keu while booting should force it to 
> boot from either of them.
> 
> 
> Boot ROM is what's stored in the boot sector of the disk...ROM Version 
> $77D.45F6 is the stuff stored in the PRAM that contains very low level 
> routines used by the Mac...Mac OS Rom File contains the Mac OS routines that 
> used to be stored in actual chips on the motherboard, the original Mac OS 
> Toolbox

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Re: iMac G3 Rev D

[Bruce Johnson]

On Aug 15, 2011, at 9:57 PM, D. Fabel wrote:

> Quick question for everyone.
> 
> I was given a G3 Rev D (tray loader).  I have retail discs (CDs) for both OS 
> 10.0 and 10.3.  With the 10.0 disc I can change the "Start Up" disk to point 
> to the CD.  With the 10.3 disc, I cannot.  Any thoughts on what might be 
> happening here?  
> 

Don't know...but holding down the 'C' keu while booting should force it to boot 
from either of them.

> I've tried installing all the updates, but admit I am new to Mac and a little 
> unclear what is supposed to be happening (or what version I "should" have).  
> What I've found is the following:
> 
> ROM Version $77D.45F6
> Boot ROM version 3.0.F2
> Mac OS Rom File version 8.7
> 
> Why is everything called a ROM?  I'm confused and would appreciate 
> enlightenment!

Three different things, all 'Read-Only Memory' and they're kind of connected. 
The following is is from very old memory and may be wrong on some of the 
details but the gist is correct, I believe.

Boot ROM is what's stored in the boot sector of the disk. This is the 
information needed to get the Mac OS from turned off to started up from the 
hard drive.

ROM Version $77D.45F6 is the stuff stored in the PRAM that contains very low 
level routines used by the Mac. Mostly it runs the very bare hardware level 
stuff. How the disk talks to the motherboard, etc. (this is the stuff that the 
drivers in the OS, .kexts in OS X System Extensions in the classic OS talk to, 
to use the hardware)

Mac OS Rom File contains the Mac OS routines that used to be stored in actual 
chips on the motherboard, the original Mac OS Toolbox; starting with the B&W 
powermacs and the iMac this was stored as a disk file on the HDD instead of the 
ROM chips in the older systems. 

That makes it a LOT easier to update.

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RE: iMac G3 Rev D

[Doug]

Besides ROM stands for Read Only Memory.

Doug

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D. Fabel wrote:

>
>Why is everything called a ROM?
>
Because Quark wanted to put everything in his brother's name to hide it 
from the Ferengi Commerce Authority?

Cheers,
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Re: iMac G3 Rev D

[Andrew Liu Anderson]

D. Fabel wrote:



Why is everything called a ROM?

Because Quark wanted to put everything in his brother's name to hide it 
from the Ferengi Commerce Authority?


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Re: iMac G3 Rev D

[John G Greenwood]

ROM means read only memory...RAM means random access memory.
John
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> I'm not sure about the rom part but the ROM part is because the PowerPC macs 
> ran using Open Firmware which was stored on a rom and they were given 
> different numbers depending on the version of the Open Firmware on the rom.
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Re: iMac G3 Rev D

[Christopher Satterfield]

I'm not sure about the rom part but the ROM part is because the PowerPC macs
ran using Open Firmware which was stored on a rom and they were given
different numbers depending on the version of the Open Firmware on the rom.


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Re: Imac G3 ehternet not working

[kirblam]

part of the issue can be what you're willing to spend. for me, I have
a g3 400mhz slot loading imac. I put in $40 (OWC/macsales) for ram to
bring it to 1G - as documented in several wikis, Apple says this is
not supported but sure enough, that RAM will show up under About this
Mac.

With that amount of ram, you can get your system up to Tiger which
immensely widens your options for making the machine useable.

For the networking, I use this adapter:
http://www.meritline.com/edimax-ew7811un-wireless-ieee802point11bgn-adaptor---p-64568.aspx

It is often on special if you wait. I picked it up for $8 with free
shipping. The Tiger installer is available for download - note: the
adapter comes with *only* a windows install. You have to get the
installer yourself:
http://www.edimax.com/en/support_detail.php?pd_id=347&pl1_id=24&pl2_id=84

so for less than $50, you can *probably* make your machine way more
functional - at least, that's what I did. On lowendmac, they had a
memory vendor that supposedly offered a gig of ram for ~$30. You have
to be a little careful because I've read about certain types of ram
that will not work in the imac. verify your model with the vendor.

Possibly this is way more than you're interested in doing, however,
replacing the ethernet card or doing an actual repair could be at
least as expensive and you wouldn't get any of the benefits (tiger,
wireless, more ram)

hope that helps
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Re: Imac G3 ehternet not working

[Jonas Ulrich]

What's the processor speed? Christopher is right, OS 8 will suck online. Go
with the best version of OS 10 you can run on it.

Maybe that will fix your ethernet problem as well. I have seen ethernet
cards go bad in those machines though...

-Jonas

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Re: Imac G3 ehternet not working

[Christopher Satterfield]

OS 8 on the internet is going to be terrible because of lack of modern web
support in the browsers and no flash\java support. I would see how much ram
it has and if it has enough run the newest Mac OS is supports and if you
can't find any OS X install disks try using something like Xubuntu or Debian
on it because both are Linux distributions and both have support for new
programs.

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Re: iMac G3 processor swap? 500 up to 600 Mhz...

[Zeke]

Hey, it worked!

I managed to trade logic boards, plug in my HD and RAM, and I have a
perfectly serviceable 600 Mhz G3 iMac running OS 10.4.11.

The cool part, from my perspective?

My HD just booted up, so it's as if nothing changed.  I, again, using
an external drive of 300G, have the world's biggest iPod!  :)

Thanks all.

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Re: iMac G3 processor swap? 500 up to 600 Mhz...

[Zeke]

Just a note: I am trying the swap, today!

Again, thanks all for your kind assistance.

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Re: iMac G3 processor swap? 500 up to 600 Mhz...

[Mystic Prowler]

Those 2 revisions are similar, as long as the 2 have nearly or exactly
identical components such as firewire, ability for airport, basically as
long as the 2 logic boards look the same, then you're good to go. If you're
swapping out on something that one logic board has and the other doesn't,
then you might have boot problems and IDE detection problems. It seems to
me, however you should be fine.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Zeke  wrote:

> Lets see if I can make this clear as mud.
>
> The bottom of the 600 Mhz iMac SE (G3) says: 600/GR/128/40/CDRW/RUltra/
> 56k/FW/VGA/APR with serial number RN1093DVKLB
>
> The bottom of the 500 Mhz iMac (G3) says: 500/SN/128/20/CDRW/ULTRA/56k/
> VGA with serial number P112513TLFB
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> Good info?
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> Yours,
>
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Re: iMac G3 processor swap? 500 up to 600 Mhz...

[Zeke]

Lets see if I can make this clear as mud.

The bottom of the 600 Mhz iMac SE (G3) says: 600/GR/128/40/CDRW/RUltra/
56k/FW/VGA/APR with serial number RN1093DVKLB

The bottom of the 500 Mhz iMac (G3) says: 500/SN/128/20/CDRW/ULTRA/56k/
VGA with serial number P112513TLFB

Good info?

Yours,

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Re: iMac G3 processor swap? 500 up to 600 Mhz...

[Zeke]

1.  The multiple responses are great.
2.  Thanks!

I'm conducting research via serial number and it appears that both
units were made around June 2001, with the slower model actually being
a newer revision: 600 Mhz made in Mexico and the 500 Mhz in Korea.

As a guess, the Graphite 600 Mhz SE was a Cadillac of its revision and
the Snow 500 Mhz was the Pinto of its?

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Re: iMac G3 processor swap? 500 up to 600 Mhz...

[Jim Scott]

On Mar 7, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Zeke wrote:

> I have an ancient 600 Mhz G3 iMac SE -- slot-load -- that I have been
> using as an iTunes server for quite some time.  (It was , also, just
> fine for light web browsing.)  Unfortunately, the CRT/power supply has
> just gone kaput.
> 
> For $40, I have been able to purchase a working 500 Mhz iMac but,
> aside from a working CRT, I think it has a tic less performance across
> the board.
> 
> Is the extra speed worth me taking everything apart to create a true
> Franken G3 or should I just pull the harddrive and 1G of RAM from the
> first machine, put it all in the slower chassis, and call it good?
> 
> At BEST I'm going to get a running 600 Mhz G3, with 1G of RAM, running
> 10.4.11 and iTunes 9.2.1, which would be great with me.  If the worst
> isn't a noticeable difference...

There really isn't a very noticeable performance difference between a 500 and a 
600 MHz G3 iMac doing things like e-mail and web browsing. But every little bit 
helps, of course. What you really want to make sure of, though, if you do try 
the swap, is that you're swapping an IBM 600 MHz logic board into an IBM 500 
MHz chassis. Here's why.

There were two different cpu manufacturers for G3 iMac 500 MHz logic boards: 
IBM and Motorola. The heat sink for the cpu is affixed to the bottom side of 
the perforated aluminum divider board, directly above the cpu of course. 
However, because of a difference in not only cpu size but also cpu logic board 
location, an IBM logic board will not mate properly with a Motorola heat sink, 
and vice versa. The penalty for a mismatch is a very fried cpu, very quickly, 
as I learned long ago.

IBM was the only cpu used in 600 and 700 MHz G3 iMacs. So what you need to do, 
since the cpu is on the top side of the board, is remove the 500 MHz logic 
board and determine if the cpu is an IBM (which it will say right on the chip) 
or a Motorola, which you'll need 20-15 eyesight to see with your naked eye, or 
a magnifying glass. The Motorola chip is much smaller than the IBM. The IBM 
heat sink sits in a little recess in the divider board; the Motorola heat sink 
is a small rectangle of aluminum screwed/glued to the divider board.

If your 500 MHz iMac is also an IBM machine, then the swap will be very easy. 
Remove the 600 MHz logic board with attached upconverter board and put it into 
the 500 MHz chassis. You might want to add just a teeny tiny bit of thermal 
paste on the heat sink to account for the compression of the thin thermal pad 
and the likely mismatch between the "new" cpu and its "new" heat sink.

But if there's a mismatch between the 600 board and the 500 heat sink, all is 
not lost. You can really disassemble the two iMacs and transplant the 600 logic 
board AND 600 divider board into the 500 chassis. That will require discharging 
the two CRTs to avoid an unpleasant tingle. (OK guys, here's where you usually 
hijack this thread and rant on about whether the juice inside a CRT with a 
modern flyback transformer will kill you or not. Please don't.) I suggest you 
do some Googling for proper take-apart procedures, or find the appropriate 
Apple Service Manual, if you're going to disconnect the divider board with PAV 
attached from the iMac and discharge the CRT in the process. You have been 
warned.

What I've done in situations like yours is to choose the best CRT (no burn-in, 
crisp focus, no scratches, etc.) AND its PAV (if working) and mate it with the 
best logic board, hard drive, optical drive and case plastics. I've sometimes 
had to swap the divider boards around to get an IBM/IBM or Motorola/Motorola 
match. 

One other point to consider: Not all 500 MHz G3 iMac logic boards came with 16 
MB video chips. I've seen some with the 350-450 MHz 8 MB chips. If memory 
serves, somewhere along the way during the 500 MHz run Motorola boards switched 
from 8 MB to 16 MB. IIRC, all IBM G3 iMac logic boards had 16 MB VRAM. There's 
a big difference between the two if you're running OS X, which needs all the 
VRAM it can get in a G3 iMac.

And one final point: There also were two different PAV boards. One does have a 
slide switch to select the appropriate CRT manufacturer (LG and CPT, IIRC); the 
other doesn't and will work with only one CRT brand. 

I'll bet you thought your idea would be simple to implement, right?

Have fun, but do try to get an Apple Service Manual.

Jim Scott

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Re: iMac G3 processor swap? 500 up to 600 Mhz...

[Jonas Ulrich]

Yeah at least Zeke is only trying to move up by 100MHZ. I'd say it's worth a
shot.

-Jonas

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Re: iMac G3 processor swap? 500 up to 600 Mhz...

[Mystic Prowler]

For example, I have tried to install a 700Mhz board on a 500Mhz iMac of a
previous revision, but the logic board I installed wouldn't boot for some
reason. However, when placed back into the original machine it worked fine.
Maybe it has something to do with the ROM or components.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Mystic Prowler  wrote:

> I have taken G3 iMacs apart before, and it's all a risky business. Some
> work with each other, some won't even boot. It depends, though. A 500 to
> 600Mhz board will have a more likely chance of working with it's components
> than something of a greater processor frequency difference, just as long as
> the logic board you're trying to replace is the same revision.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Zeke  wrote:
>
>> I have an ancient 600 Mhz G3 iMac SE -- slot-load -- that I have been
>> using as an iTunes server for quite some time.  (It was , also, just
>> fine for light web browsing.)  Unfortunately, the CRT/power supply has
>> just gone kaput.
>>
>> For $40, I have been able to purchase a working 500 Mhz iMac but,
>> aside from a working CRT, I think it has a tic less performance across
>> the board.
>>
>> Is the extra speed worth me taking everything apart to create a true
>> Franken G3 or should I just pull the harddrive and 1G of RAM from the
>> first machine, put it all in the slower chassis, and call it good?
>>
>> At BEST I'm going to get a running 600 Mhz G3, with 1G of RAM, running
>> 10.4.11 and iTunes 9.2.1, which would be great with me.  If the worst
>> isn't a noticeable difference...
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Zeke
>>
>

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Re: iMac G3 processor swap? 500 up to 600 Mhz...

[Jonas Ulrich]

I know that I was able to swap a 400MHZ board into a 500MHZ case. It's
really not that big of a deal, just keep track of your screws. Once you get
them both opened up it should be pretty clear if it will work.

-Jonas

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Re: iMac G3 processor swap? 500 up to 600 Mhz...

[Mystic Prowler]

I have taken G3 iMacs apart before, and it's all a risky business. Some work
with each other, some won't even boot. It depends, though. A 500 to 600Mhz
board will have a more likely chance of working with it's components than
something of a greater processor frequency difference, just as long as the
logic board you're trying to replace is the same revision.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Zeke  wrote:

> I have an ancient 600 Mhz G3 iMac SE -- slot-load -- that I have been
> using as an iTunes server for quite some time.  (It was , also, just
> fine for light web browsing.)  Unfortunately, the CRT/power supply has
> just gone kaput.
>
> For $40, I have been able to purchase a working 500 Mhz iMac but,
> aside from a working CRT, I think it has a tic less performance across
> the board.
>
> Is the extra speed worth me taking everything apart to create a true
> Franken G3 or should I just pull the harddrive and 1G of RAM from the
> first machine, put it all in the slower chassis, and call it good?
>
> At BEST I'm going to get a running 600 Mhz G3, with 1G of RAM, running
> 10.4.11 and iTunes 9.2.1, which would be great with me.  If the worst
> isn't a noticeable difference...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Zeke
>

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Re: iMac G3 processor swap? 500 up to 600 Mhz...

[Jonas Ulrich]

You would have to swap the whole motherboard to do get the 600MHZ processor
in the new unit. It should work, just make sure that the cooling fans line
up and are in the same places in both cases. I think it's worth it.

-Jonas

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Re: iMac G3

[Christopher Collins]

Has a lot more to do with the age of the hardware than anything else.

895cse would be at least 8-10 years old, which is way past their use-by-date!

cjc

On 12/08/2010, at 10:43 PM, GH DOK wrote:

> 
> 
> On 12/08/10, appledude  wrote:
>> 
>> Where are you?  I have a HP Deskjet 895cse that was serviced shortly
>> before I retired it, because my stand-along scanner (AFGA 1212u) was
>> apparently shorting out my USB ports on my computer - so I upgraded to
>> an HP Office Jet 6500, the wired version.  This 895cse is a great
>> workhorse, though not as speedy as a newer printer - and ran on 8.6
>> and 9.22 on my original 233 rev B IMac -
> 
> Dang, and I thought i could hook up my mom's printer/scanner combo without 
> problems.
> Seems to be a lot more involved with hooking up plu and play hardware than 
> there is normally in msdos/windows world for us.
> Effed.
> 

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Re: iMac G3

[GH DOK]

On 12/08/10, appledude   wrote:Where are you?  I have a HP Deskjet 895cse that was serviced shortlybefore I retired it, because my stand-along scanner (AFGA 1212u) wasapparently shorting out my USB ports on my computer - so I upgraded toan HP Office Jet 6500, the wired version.  This 895cse is a greatworkhorse, though not as speedy as a newer printer - and ran on 8.6and 9.22 on my original 233 rev B IMac -Dang, and I thought i could hook up my mom's printer/scanner combo without problems.Seems to be a lot more involved with hooking up plu and play hardware than there is normally in msdos/windows world for us.Effed.



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Re: iMac G3

[appledude]

Where are you?  I have a HP Deskjet 895cse that was serviced shortly
before I retired it, because my stand-along scanner (AFGA 1212u) was
apparently shorting out my USB ports on my computer - so I upgraded to
an HP Office Jet 6500, the wired version.  This 895cse is a great
workhorse, though not as speedy as a newer printer - and ran on 8.6
and 9.22 on my original 233 rev B IMac -

Dennis, San Diego

On Aug 10, 10:20 pm, Walter Sheluk  wrote:
>   Need a printer for my iMac G3 ( OS 9 ) because my os 9 injet printer
> is slowwly dying and it's hard to find a printer with OS 9 drivers.
>
> Will this gizmo ;http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Keyspan/USA19HS/work
> to hook up and use my apple printer  ( believe it or not that printer
> still works with my Performa 6360 ) ?
>
> Walter

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Re: iMac G3

[Walter Sheluk]

 Need a printer for my iMac G3 ( OS 9 ) because my os 9 injet printer 
is slowwly dying and it's hard to find a printer with OS 9 drivers.


Will this gizmo ; http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Keyspan/USA19HS/ work 
to hook up and use my apple printer  ( believe it or not that printer 
still works with my Performa 6360 ) ?


Walter

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Re: iMac G3

[Walter Sheluk]

 can't find the manual for my iMac G3 500Mhz ( the purple jelly bean ).

would like to poke around in the inside to add,, for example, airport

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Re: iMac G3

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-08-10 6:49 PM, Elliott Price wrote:

Which OS are you running? It sounds like you're running OS9, but I'll tell you 
how to in both 9 and X.
In OS9, you can have the sound in the Control Strip. Go to Control Panel ->  
Control Strip and turn on the control strip. I don't have an OS9 machine handy 
right now, but I believe that the sound should be in there by default. If not, 
look in the Control Strip and Sound preference and see if there's any option to 
Show in Control Strip.

In OSX, in the Sound preference pane, check the box where it says Show in 
Menubar.

Another handy thing would be to get a newer model of Apple keyboard that has 
the volume buttons in the upper right hand corner. Any keyboard after about 
2001 will have them.

Hope that helps!



-Elliott




On Aug 10, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Walter Sheluk wrote:


Just started to use my "new" iMac G3 and one of the several annoying items is 
the sound volume that I can only adjust by opening up the Control Panel : Sound. Now 
that's a real pain in the studio to always have to adjust the playback levels when using 
midi/audio applications.

Is there an application that will place an "control" in the menu bar to allow 
adjusting the sound playback levels ?

Thanks, sorry forgot to say that i am keeping this iMac G3 at OS 9 for 
the legacy midi/audio programmes i at one time used: many of those have 
features never ported to the OS X world.


The Control Strip will work ( forgot about that one ) and for sure will 
test one of my newer Apple keyboards and hopefully that keyboard will 
work in OS 9.


Walter

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Re: iMac G3

[Walter Sheluk]

 On 10-08-10 3:18 PM, LT Gamble wrote:

Sure is... check out SoundSource from www.rogueamoeba.com .

On 2010-08-10, at 12:46 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:


Just started to use my "new" iMac G3 and one of the several annoying items is 
the sound volume that I can only adjust by opening up the Control Panel : Sound. Now 
that's a real pain in the studio to always have to adjust the playback levels when using 
midi/audio applications.

Is there an application that will place an "control" in the menu bar to allow 
adjusting the sound playback levels ?

( No problem with setting and leaving the alarm levels to near zero,. )


Thanks: sorry, forgot to note that i am keeping this iMac G3 at OS 9

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Re: iMac G3

[Elliott Price]

Which OS are you running? It sounds like you're running OS9, but I'll tell you 
how to in both 9 and X. 
In OS9, you can have the sound in the Control Strip. Go to Control Panel -> 
Control Strip and turn on the control strip. I don't have an OS9 machine handy 
right now, but I believe that the sound should be in there by default. If not, 
look in the Control Strip and Sound preference and see if there's any option to 
Show in Control Strip. 

In OSX, in the Sound preference pane, check the box where it says Show in 
Menubar. 

Another handy thing would be to get a newer model of Apple keyboard that has 
the volume buttons in the upper right hand corner. Any keyboard after about 
2001 will have them. 

Hope that helps! 



-Elliott




On Aug 10, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

> Just started to use my "new" iMac G3 and one of the several annoying items is 
> the sound volume that I can only adjust by opening up the Control Panel : 
> Sound. Now that's a real pain in the studio to always have to adjust the 
> playback levels when using midi/audio applications.
> 
> Is there an application that will place an "control" in the menu bar to allow 
> adjusting the sound playback levels ?
> 

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Re: iMac G3

[LT Gamble]

Sure is... check out SoundSource from www.rogueamoeba.com .  

On 2010-08-10, at 12:46 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote:

> Just started to use my "new" iMac G3 and one of the several annoying items is 
> the sound volume that I can only adjust by opening up the Control Panel : 
> Sound. Now that's a real pain in the studio to always have to adjust the 
> playback levels when using midi/audio applications.
> 
> Is there an application that will place an "control" in the menu bar to allow 
> adjusting the sound playback levels ?
> 
> ( No problem with setting and leaving the alarm levels to near zero,. )
> 

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Re: iMac G3

[Walter Sheluk]

 Just started to use my "new" iMac G3 and one of the several annoying 
items is the sound volume that I can only adjust by opening up the 
Control Panel : Sound. Now that's a real pain in the studio to always 
have to adjust the playback levels when using midi/audio applications.


Is there an application that will place an "control" in the menu bar to 
allow adjusting the sound playback levels ?


( No problem with setting and leaving the alarm levels to near zero,. )

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Re: iMac G3 as an external monitor?

[Elliott Price]

I've often wondered about that too; Never got around to testing it on  
any of mine because the cable is too short to reach another computer...
Theoretically, the iMac would have to be on, otherwise the monitor  
won't get power, since the DB-15 is just the display data and not  
power. You'll also probably need a DB-15 extension, or a DB-15 to VGA  
with a VGA extension.

If you do try it, let us know how it goes.

-Elliott





On Jul 29, 2010, at 7:03 AM, Alex Barnes wrote:


I was wondering if I could use my iMac 333's monitor as an external
monitor since it uses a DB-15 connector.

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Re: iMac G3, new iTunes 9.2, no bueno

[Ashgrove]

Dan,

I never bothered with entire backups, only with individual backups of
files I was working on. Only after the fact I realized that I liked a
lot the way I had set up its iTunes library. And no, apparently I
deleted all files while uninstalling iTunes 9.2.

F

On Jul 7, 3:37 pm, Dan  wrote:
> At 12:06 PM -0700 7/7/2010, Ashgrove wrote:
>
> >Unfortunately, it seems that I somehow managed to delete my old
> >library altogether, since this procedure only brings up some generic
> >sound files. Oh, well. Thanks for the great tip!
>
> No backups?
> Have you manually dug into the folders?
>
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3847
>
> Folder set-up for iTunes 8.2.1 and earlier:
>    iTunes
>      Mobile Applications
>      iTunes Music
>          Movies
>          Podcasts
>          Ringtones
>          TV Shows
>          iPod Games
>
> Folder Layout for iTunes 9 and later:
>    iTunes
>      iTunes Media
>          Audiobooks
>          Automatically Added to iTunes
>          iPod Games
>          Mobile Applications
>          Movies
>          Music
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Re: iMac G3, new iTunes 9.2, no bueno

[Dan]

At 12:06 PM -0700 7/7/2010, Ashgrove wrote:

Unfortunately, it seems that I somehow managed to delete my old
library altogether, since this procedure only brings up some generic
sound files. Oh, well. Thanks for the great tip!


No backups?
Have you manually dug into the folders?

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3847

Folder set-up for iTunes 8.2.1 and earlier:
  iTunes
Mobile Applications
iTunes Music
Movies
Podcasts
Ringtones
TV Shows
iPod Games

Folder Layout for iTunes 9 and later:
  iTunes
iTunes Media
Audiobooks
Automatically Added to iTunes
iPod Games
Mobile Applications
Movies
Music
Podcasts
Ringtones
TV Shows
Voice Memos

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Re: iMac G3, new iTunes 9.2, no bueno

[Ashgrove]

Bruce,

Unfortunately, it seems that I somehow managed to delete my old
library altogether, since this procedure only brings up some generic
sound files. Oh, well. Thanks for the great tip!

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Re: iMac G3, new iTunes 9.2, no bueno

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jul 7, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Ashgrove wrote:

> Lucky you. I tried the procedure in the link Dan provided after
> downgrading back to 8.2.1 and can't get my library back, no matter
> what I do. I am at the end of my wits. Granted, I own all that music,
> so it's a matter of putting it back in iTunes, disc by disc, but it's
> a BIG hassle.

Move your itunes library folder aside, to the desktop or something.

Create a new smart folder, based on your iTunes folder, that finds just files 
ending in .aac or .mp3  (or whatever filetype(s) you used for your iTunes 
music).

Start iTunes, it should find no music, and open with an empty library.

Open the smart folder, select all, and drag and drop into the new iTunes 
library. (making sure you have it set to copy the music into the iTunes 
library.)

This requires enough space for two copies of your library, temporarily, so you 
may need to use an external drive, but it beats feeding endless CD's into the 
machine...

iTunes *always* stores the music in accessible files and they're even in a 
rational layout (by album name), it's the iTunes library xml files and database 
that you cannot recover. Your music is fine, it's just that iTunes doesnt' know 
about it.

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Re: iMac G3, new iTunes 9.2, no bueno

[Ashgrove]

Lucky you. I tried the procedure in the link Dan provided after
downgrading back to 8.2.1 and can't get my library back, no matter
what I do. I am at the end of my wits. Granted, I own all that music,
so it's a matter of putting it back in iTunes, disc by disc, but it's
a BIG hassle.

Felix


On Jul 7, 4:35 am, lrbarrios  wrote:
> On Jun 27, 5:02 pm, lrbarrios  wrote:
>
> > Thanks Dan!  I'll give this a shot.
>
> Just wanted to give everyone an update.  Dan is Da Man!!  His
> procedure suggested above worked perfectly.  In my case I did not have
> to do the last step (Re-Create your iTunes Library and Playlists).
> Everything was still there.  Awesome!  Thanks so much!  No I'm gonna
> tell iTunes to stop looking for updates.
>
> lrbarrios.

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Re: iMac G3, new iTunes 9.2, no bueno

[lrbarrios]

On Jun 27, 5:02 pm, lrbarrios  wrote:
> Thanks Dan!  I'll give this a shot.

Just wanted to give everyone an update.  Dan is Da Man!!  His
procedure suggested above worked perfectly.  In my case I did not have
to do the last step (Re-Create your iTunes Library and Playlists).
Everything was still there.  Awesome!  Thanks so much!  No I'm gonna
tell iTunes to stop looking for updates.

lrbarrios.

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Re: iMac G3 - reluctant CD drive

[Andrew Main]

Thanks for the replies. Turns out the client will be happy with a DVD
drive in the computer, but I may try the rejuvenation tips on the two
CD-RW drives I have.

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Re: iMac G3 - powersupply

[sasse]

Needed power supply for g3 orange imac both ps here dead.  douglas...@yahoo.com


  

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Re: iMac G3, new iTunes 9.2, no bueno

[lrbarrios]

Thanks Dan!  I'll give this a shot.

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Re: iMac G3, new iTunes 9.2, no bueno

[Dan]

At 12:57 AM -0700 6/27/2010, lrbarrios wrote:

iMac G3 (Graphite), 600MHz, running 10.4.11

I just upgraded to the new iTunes 9.2 and now when I try to launch it,
it says something to the effect "iTunes requires a G4, G5, or Intel
processor" and that's as far as I can get.


Yea.  iTunes officially dropped G3 support with the release of 9. 
While some versions of 9 prior to 9.2 were still able to run on a G3, 
I think that was more of a compilation oversight than anything else. 
iTunes 8.2.1 is the official final release that supports G3 
processors.



Can I get past this without downgrading to the previous version?


No.


If not, how can I download the previous version?  Version 9.1.1 worked.


I doubt restoring just the file iTunes.app from your backup will work 
as Apple likes to spew shared frameworks around etc.  So the best 
option is to restore your whole system, sans /Users, from your backup.


Or, if you failed to make a backup:

Make a full backup!

Then fully de-install iTunes.


Next, recall that GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND.


The third link on that page takes you to iTunes 9.1.1.


To re-create your iTunes library and playlists:


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Re: iMac G3, new iTunes 9.2, no bueno

[Ashgrove]

I, too, had iTunes 9.1.1 running on my Pismo, and all hell broke loose
when I updated. I downgraded to 8.2.1, and my Pismo is a much happier
camper, since half of iTunes 9 features did not work in it anyway.

I would sync the Touch with my MDD if I were you. And, AFAIK, it can't
be upgraded to OS4, but I might be wrong --I don't have a Touch or an
iPhone to test it.

By the way, be careful when you downgrade. I haven't been able to
access my library since I trashed version 9.2.

Felix

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Re: iMac G3 - reluctant CD drive

[Jim Scott]

On Jun 24, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Andrew Main wrote:

> I'm working on a 600MHz iMac G3 whose CD-RW drive has a hard time
> intaking and ejecting discs; it ejects the disc partway, then strains
> for a while as if the 5V (?) it's getting from the computer just isn't
> enough to push it all the way out, then pulls it in and mounts it
> again. Does anyone know, is there anything can be done about this?
> Lubrication? Or suggestion where I can get a good replacement cheap?

This is a common iMac G3 slot-loading optical drive problem. The cause is 
"stuff" (lint, dust, cooking grease, tobacco smoke, etc.) embedded or coated on 
the rubber drive rollers that grip a disk to inject/eject it. Occasionally, the 
"rubber band" drive belt used in some designs also gets coated. The result is a 
gradual loss of gripping power. Eventually, the disk won't come out at all.

The fix is to remove the drive, take off the top and clean the rollers and, if 
equipped, the drive belt. Blow out any dust, etc., lightly brush the laser lens 
with a soft brush with fine bristles, then reassemble. I've successfully used 
isopropyl alcohol and Goof-Off. I use Goof-Off when the rollers have hardened a 
bit because it softens the rubber. There also are commercial products that are 
used to rejuvenate drive rollers in printers, which get coated with fine paper 
particles and fail to grip the paper, or get hardened from age.

Good luck!

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Re: iMac G3 - reluctant CD drive

[Jason Trunzo]

MIne does that too - I usually just give it a little help by running a piece of 
paper or another disc past the left hand corner of the drive slot, triggering 
the release lever in there. This pops enough of the disc out to grab it.  I 
guess it is the release mechanism that is failing, probably same on mine - and 
replacing the optical drive just isn't much fun on an iMac G3 so I live with it 
until I can't live with it.

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On Jun 24, 2010, at 8:23 PM, Andrew Main wrote:

I'm working on a 600MHz iMac G3 whose CD-RW drive has a hard time
intaking and ejecting discs; it ejects the disc partway, then strains
for a while as if the 5V (?) it's getting from the computer just isn't
enough to push it all the way out, then pulls it in and mounts it
again. Does anyone know, is there anything can be done about this?
Lubrication? Or suggestion where I can get a good replacement cheap?

Thanks,
Andrew Main

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Re: iMac G3 Upgade

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Jimi Camel
wrote:

> Ahh... I would rather keep the files on the G3 if at all possible.
> Plus I don't have a firewire cable. And come to think of it, even if I
> did, my iBook is no longer running Tiger, was upgraded to Leopard some
> time ago...
> ___
>

Sometimes listers forget this is  "LOW"  End Mac.
I assume you don't want to spend any money on this at all, then some sweat
equity might find you a free application on versiontracker.com Mac OS or Mac
OS-x pages to do what you want to do.

Or an open source app that will work?








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Re: iMac G3 Upgade

[Jason Trunzo]

You will need a tiger upgrade or tiger retail disc - i've had the same issues 
in the past myself.  You should still be able to install Tiger onto the iMac 
from the iBook by booting the iMac into target disc mode and choosing to 
upgrade Mac OS X

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On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Dan wrote:

At 10:30 AM -0700 6/12/2010, Jimi Camel wrote:
> Ahh... I would rather keep the files on the G3 if at all possible.
> Plus I don't have a firewire cable. And come to think of it, even if I
> did, my iBook is no longer running Tiger, was upgraded to Leopard some
> time ago...

Ok, that's a non-starter then as Leopard won't run on the iMac.

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Re: iMac G3 Upgade

[Dan]

At 10:30 AM -0700 6/12/2010, Jimi Camel wrote:

Ahh... I would rather keep the files on the G3 if at all possible.
Plus I don't have a firewire cable. And come to think of it, even if I
did, my iBook is no longer running Tiger, was upgraded to Leopard some
time ago...


Ok, that's a non-starter then as Leopard won't run on the iMac.

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Re: iMac G3 Upgade

[Jimi Camel]

Ahh... I would rather keep the files on the G3 if at all possible.
Plus I don't have a firewire cable. And come to think of it, even if I
did, my iBook is no longer running Tiger, was upgraded to Leopard some
time ago...

On 12 June, 17:42, Dan  wrote:
> At 9:01 AM -0700 6/12/2010, Jimi Camel wrote:
>
> >I have a 10.4.4 install disk that came with my iBook G4. The disk says
> >iBook G4 on the label. I have an old iMac G3 that I use as my music
> >server, with an external hard drive to store all of my music.
> >Unfortunately it is only running 10.3.9 so I cannot connect my iPod
> >touch to iTunes on the iMac, I have to move the songs over to my
> >iBook, which is annoying as my iBook is starting to run out of disk
> >space. I was wondering if it would be possible to use the install
> >disks that came with the iBook to upgrade the iMac G3 to Tiger? That
> >way I could connect my iPod to it, but would it be a bad idea to use
> >the iBook install disks? I cannot see any warning labels that tell me
> >not to use them in a different model of Mac...
>
> That Tiger disc is probably iBook specific.  Why bother using it?
>
> Connect the two Macs with a firewire cable.
> Boot the iMac G3 into target disk mode ("T" key held down).
> Use Disk Utility on the iBook to erase the G3's HD.
> Use CCC on the iBook to slam a copy of Tiger onto the G3.
>
> - Dan.
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Re: iMac G3 Upgade

[Dan]

At 9:01 AM -0700 6/12/2010, Jimi Camel wrote:

I have a 10.4.4 install disk that came with my iBook G4. The disk says
iBook G4 on the label. I have an old iMac G3 that I use as my music
server, with an external hard drive to store all of my music.
Unfortunately it is only running 10.3.9 so I cannot connect my iPod
touch to iTunes on the iMac, I have to move the songs over to my
iBook, which is annoying as my iBook is starting to run out of disk
space. I was wondering if it would be possible to use the install
disks that came with the iBook to upgrade the iMac G3 to Tiger? That
way I could connect my iPod to it, but would it be a bad idea to use
the iBook install disks? I cannot see any warning labels that tell me
not to use them in a different model of Mac...


That Tiger disc is probably iBook specific.  Why bother using it?

Connect the two Macs with a firewire cable.
Boot the iMac G3 into target disk mode ("T" key held down).
Use Disk Utility on the iBook to erase the G3's HD.
Use CCC on the iBook to slam a copy of Tiger onto the G3.

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Re: iMac G3 Upgade

[Emily Jackson]

On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:01:24 -0700 (PDT)
Jimi Camel  wrote:

> I have a 10.4.4 install disk that came with my iBook G4. The disk says
> iBook G4 on the label. I have an old iMac G3 that I use as my music
> server, with an external hard drive to store all of my music.
> Unfortunately it is only running 10.3.9 so I cannot connect my iPod
> touch to iTunes on the iMac, I have to move the songs over to my
> iBook, which is annoying as my iBook is starting to run out of disk
> space. I was wondering if it would be possible to use the install
> disks that came with the iBook to upgrade the iMac G3 to Tiger?

The install disks that come with a Mac are for that model only. You
need a retail version of Tiger for an iMac G3.

HTH,

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Re: iMac G3 hard drives

[Kasey Smith]

On Dec 17, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Elliott Price wrote:

> 10.4 has some significant changes, especially support issues and
> networking improvements. It runs surprisingly well on slow machines.
>
>
>   -Elliott Price
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> Websites - Low Cost Custom Websites

Tiger runs well on my B&W and my Indigo 400MHz iMac. It kinda ran on  
my 333MHz iMac G3 tray loader-because of the lack of support for the  
Rage Pro graphics chipset in OSX

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Re: iMac G3 hard drives

[Clark Martin]

Nestamicky wrote:
> On 12/17/09 1:50 PM, Elliott Price wrote:
>> 10.4 has some significant changes, especially support issues and
>> networking improvements. It runs surprisingly well on slow machines.
> And I agree with this...see Tiger on my Sawtooth and you'd think it's an 
> Intel machine, but wait until I go to Youtube, and you'd ask if I'm on 
> dialup.
> 

Well, a Sawtooth doing any full size video (640x480 or bigger), except 
for DVD playback, will likely choke.  I have an 800 MHz QuickSilver and 
it can just keep up with MPEG2 or MPEG4 videos off disk.

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Re: iMac G3 hard drives

[Christian Wacker]

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Nestamicky  wrote:
> On 12/17/09 7:49 AM, Owen Strawn wrote:
>> I thought about setting one of the iMacs up and gifting it to a relative, 
>> but they seem to all have recent laptops (PCs though).
>
> Welcome to the sad universal truth...now you and I have machines we know
> is good for very basic stuff, which is what most of those people use
> their "recent" machines for. But the sales people got to them before us.
>
One reason they were able to sell them is because they can do more
than the basic stuff, which is inevitably going to be needed some
time.
You can't throw a Mac at every problem (except landlords, but make
sure you hit em' right in the head)

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Re: iMac G3 hard drives

[Nestamicky]

On 12/17/09 1:50 PM, Elliott Price wrote:
> 10.4 has some significant changes, especially support issues and
> networking improvements. It runs surprisingly well on slow machines.
And I agree with this...see Tiger on my Sawtooth and you'd think it's an 
Intel machine, but wait until I go to Youtube, and you'd ask if I'm on 
dialup.

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Re: iMac G3 hard drives

[Nestamicky]

On 12/17/09 7:49 AM, Owen Strawn wrote:
> I thought about setting one of the iMacs up and gifting it to a relative, but 
> they seem to all have recent laptops (PCs though).

Welcome to the sad universal truth...now you and I have machines we know 
is good for very basic stuff, which is what most of those people use 
their "recent" machines for. But the sales people got to them before us.

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Re: iMac G3 hard drives

[Elliott Price]

10.4 has some significant changes, especially support issues and  
networking improvements. It runs surprisingly well on slow machines.


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On Dec 17, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Clark Martin wrote:

> Owen Strawn wrote:
>> I thought about setting one of the iMacs up and gifting it to a  
>> relative, but they seem to all have recent laptops (PCs though).
>>
>> I have been using Panther on the G3s - never tried Tiger. I skipped  
>> 10.2 and 10.4. I did notice 10.3 ran much faster on the 266 than  
>> 10.1 did. Do you think I'm missing out on anything at this point  
>> without Tiger?
>
> Tiger ran quite well on my B&Ws.  And you'll have less trouble  
> trying to
> run current software.
>
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Re: iMac G3 hard drives

[Clark Martin]

Owen Strawn wrote:
> I thought about setting one of the iMacs up and gifting it to a relative, but 
> they seem to all have recent laptops (PCs though).
> 
> I have been using Panther on the G3s - never tried Tiger. I skipped 10.2 and 
> 10.4. I did notice 10.3 ran much faster on the 266 than 10.1 did. Do you 
> think I'm missing out on anything at this point without Tiger?

Tiger ran quite well on my B&Ws.  And you'll have less trouble trying to 
run current software.

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Re: iMac G3 hard drives

[Owen Strawn]

I thought about setting one of the iMacs up and gifting it to a relative, but 
they seem to all have recent laptops (PCs though).

I have been using Panther on the G3s - never tried Tiger. I skipped 10.2 and 
10.4. I did notice 10.3 ran much faster on the 266 than 10.1 did. Do you think 
I'm missing out on anything at this point without Tiger?

Thanks!
Owen


- Original Message 
> From: Kasey Smith 
> Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 4:52:22 PM
> 
> On Dec 16, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Owen Strawn wrote:
> 
> > What are you going to use the DV for?
> >
> > Owen
> 
> I'm assuming you meant me so I guess i will respond... I dont know  
> really. I Installed Tiger on the thing and it runs quite well,  
> especially after going form 128MB to 512MB or RAM. Its specs are  
> about that of my PowerMac except for the Hard Drives, Optical Drives,  
> and the VRAM. I might end up sending it to my mom's desk for her use  
> as she only has a 2004 low end Dell...
> 


  

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Re: iMac G3 hard drives

[Kasey Smith]

On Dec 16, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Owen Strawn wrote:

> What are you going to use the DV for?
>
> Owen

I'm assuming you meant me so I guess i will respond... I dont know  
really. I Installed Tiger on the thing and it runs quite well,  
especially after going form 128MB to 512MB or RAM. Its specs are  
about that of my PowerMac except for the Hard Drives, Optical Drives,  
and the VRAM. I might end up sending it to my mom's desk for her use  
as she only has a 2004 low end Dell...

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Re: iMac G3 hard drives

[Owen Strawn]

I'll give that a try.

Thanks Clark!
Owen


- Original Message 
> From: Clark Martin 
> Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 2:20:49 PM
> 
> Owen Strawn wrote:
> > That would be a cool idea, but I've never managed to figure out how to use 
> > a 
> remote server for iTunes (or iPhoto either). They never seem to want to "wake 
> from sleep" remotely.
> > 
> 
> There is a program called WakeOnLAN that will wake up a remote computer. 
>   You should be able to find it at 
> 
> As a rule servers don't sleep.  (They don't get put in bedrooms either).
> 
> > Thanks!
> > Owen
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message 
> >> From: Christian Wacker 
> >> Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 10:49:12 PM
> >>
> >> That 266 has only one or two uses left.
> >> My 266 tray loader became a Christmas Present to a friend, and it was
> >> loaded up with their whole music collection. (it's got some software
> >> and a special remote I made, so it's basically a nifty little juke
> >> box)
> >> And, I use my 350mhz iMac as the same, loaded my whole media library
> >> on it, and enjoy it when I fall asleep some nights, (then I let it
> >> fall asleep a few minutes later.)
> 
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> 
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Re: iMac G3 hard drives

[Owen Strawn]

Yup - I put the 6gb back in the 266, and wiped the drive. Not much space left 
after reinstalling the system.

But now the 500 won't boot. Well, it boots, but the date is 1969 and it almost 
immediately kernel panics. I'm off to get a new PRAM battery and a firewire 
cable so I can play with target disk mode. Need make sure I have all the data 
off it before I wipe it.

What are you going to use the DV for?

Owen

- Original Message 
> From: Kasey Smith 
> Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 10:22:52 PM
> 
> Hehe, i put the original 6GB back in my 333MHz tray loader a few days  
> ago, and today i got an iMac DV (Summer 2000) today for $15 :D
>
> On Dec 14, 2009, at 7:41 PM, Owen Strawn wrote:
> > Thanks Kasey! I'm thinking about maybe putting the original 6gb  
> > drive back into the tray-loader, and the 20gb into an external  
> > enclosure. I don't really have any use for the 266 that the 500  
> > won't accomplish better.
> >
> > Owen
> >
> >
> > - Original Message 
> >> From: Kasey Smith 
> >> Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 4:39:14 PM
> >>
> >> Yes, you can swap them, just make sure of the partitioning yada yada
> >> yada... (on the tray loader)
> >> On Dec 14, 2009, at 1:34 PM, owen wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I have a tray load iMac (266mhz rev C) with an 40gb upgraded hard
> >>> drive, and a slot load iMac (500mhz early 2001) with its original  
> >>> 20gb
> >>> drive. MacTracker says the tangerine uses an "Ultra ATA" bus and the
> >>> flower power uses an ATA-3" bus.
> >>>
> >>> Can I swap the drives?
> >>>
> >>> FWIW the 40gb drive is an Apollo EIDE UDMA-133 7200 Quiet drive.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>> Owen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: iMac G3 hard drives

[Kasey Smith]

Hehe, i put the original 6GB back in my 333MHz tray loader a few days  
ago, and today i got an iMac DV (Summer 2000) today for $15 :D
On Dec 14, 2009, at 7:41 PM, Owen Strawn wrote:

> Thanks Kasey! I'm thinking about maybe putting the original 6gb  
> drive back into the tray-loader, and the 20gb into an external  
> enclosure. I don't really have any use for the 266 that the 500  
> won't accomplish better.
>
> Owen
>
>
> - Original Message 
>> From: Kasey Smith 
>> Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 4:39:14 PM
>>
>> Yes, you can swap them, just make sure of the partitioning yada yada
>> yada... (on the tray loader)
>> On Dec 14, 2009, at 1:34 PM, owen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have a tray load iMac (266mhz rev C) with an 40gb upgraded hard
>>> drive, and a slot load iMac (500mhz early 2001) with its original  
>>> 20gb
>>> drive. MacTracker says the tangerine uses an "Ultra ATA" bus and the
>>> flower power uses an ATA-3" bus.
>>>
>>> Can I swap the drives?
>>>
>>> FWIW the 40gb drive is an Apollo EIDE UDMA-133 7200 Quiet drive.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Owen
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: iMac G3 hard drives

[Clark Martin]

Owen Strawn wrote:
> That would be a cool idea, but I've never managed to figure out how to use a 
> remote server for iTunes (or iPhoto either). They never seem to want to "wake 
> from sleep" remotely.
> 

There is a program called WakeOnLAN that will wake up a remote computer. 
  You should be able to find it at 

As a rule servers don't sleep.  (They don't get put in bedrooms either).

> Thanks!
> Owen
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
>> From: Christian Wacker 
>> Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 10:49:12 PM
>>
>> That 266 has only one or two uses left.
>> My 266 tray loader became a Christmas Present to a friend, and it was
>> loaded up with their whole music collection. (it's got some software
>> and a special remote I made, so it's basically a nifty little juke
>> box)
>> And, I use my 350mhz iMac as the same, loaded my whole media library
>> on it, and enjoy it when I fall asleep some nights, (then I let it
>> fall asleep a few minutes later.)




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Re: iMac G3 hard drives

[Elliott Price]

Oh. Yeah, I have that problem quite a bit, too. I wish they'd thought  
of the 10.6 "wake on demand" feature earlier!


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On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:02 AM, Owen Strawn wrote:

> Actually, what I mean is that I can't access the server over the  
> network without first going to wherever it is and manually waking it  
> up.
>
>
> - Original Message 
>> From: Elliott Price 
>> Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 12:55:52 PM
>>
>> Does it work kinda like the remote that comes with newer Macs? I'm
>> pretty sure you can wake it up with those.
>>
>>
>>-Elliott Price
>> Mac Computer Repair - Santa Barbara
>> Graphic Design - Artwork Setup
>> Websites - Low Cost Custom Websites
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2009, at 7:48 AM, Owen Strawn wrote:
>>
>>> That would be a cool idea, but I've never managed to figure out how
>>> to use a remote server for iTunes (or iPhoto either). They never
>>> seem to want to "wake from sleep" remotely.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Owen
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message 
 From: Christian Wacker
 Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 10:49:12 PM

 That 266 has only one or two uses left.
 My 266 tray loader became a Christmas Present to a friend, and it  
 was
 loaded up with their whole music collection. (it's got some  
 software
 and a special remote I made, so it's basically a nifty little juke
 box)
 And, I use my 350mhz iMac as the same, loaded my whole media  
 library
 on it, and enjoy it when I fall asleep some nights, (then I let it
 fall asleep a few minutes later.)

 On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Owen Strawn wrote:
> Thanks Kasey! I'm thinking about maybe putting the original 6gb
> drive back
 into the tray-loader, and the 20gb into an external enclosure. I
 don't really
 have any use for the 266 that the 500 won't accomplish better.
>
> Owen
>
>
> - Original Message 
>> From: Kasey Smith
>> Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 4:39:14 PM
>>
>> Yes, you can swap them, just make sure of the partitioning yada
>> yada
>> yada... (on the tray loader)
>> On Dec 14, 2009, at 1:34 PM, owen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have a tray load iMac (266mhz rev C) with an 40gb upgraded  
>>> hard
>>> drive, and a slot load iMac (500mhz early 2001) with its
>>> original 20gb
>>> drive. MacTracker says the tangerine uses an "Ultra ATA" bus and
>>> the
>>> flower power uses an ATA-3" bus.
>>>
>>> Can I swap the drives?
>>>
>>> FWIW the 40gb drive is an Apollo EIDE UDMA-133 7200 Quiet drive.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Owen
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: iMac G3 hard drives

[Owen Strawn]

Actually, what I mean is that I can't access the server over the network 
without first going to wherever it is and manually waking it up.


- Original Message 
> From: Elliott Price 
> Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 12:55:52 PM
> 
> Does it work kinda like the remote that comes with newer Macs? I'm  
> pretty sure you can wake it up with those.
> 
> 
> -Elliott Price
> Mac Computer Repair - Santa Barbara
> Graphic Design - Artwork Setup
> Websites - Low Cost Custom Websites
> 
> On Dec 15, 2009, at 7:48 AM, Owen Strawn wrote:
> 
> > That would be a cool idea, but I've never managed to figure out how  
> > to use a remote server for iTunes (or iPhoto either). They never  
> > seem to want to "wake from sleep" remotely.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Owen
> >
> >
> > - Original Message 
> >> From: Christian Wacker 
> >> Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 10:49:12 PM
> >>
> >> That 266 has only one or two uses left.
> >> My 266 tray loader became a Christmas Present to a friend, and it was
> >> loaded up with their whole music collection. (it's got some software
> >> and a special remote I made, so it's basically a nifty little juke
> >> box)
> >> And, I use my 350mhz iMac as the same, loaded my whole media library
> >> on it, and enjoy it when I fall asleep some nights, (then I let it
> >> fall asleep a few minutes later.)
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Owen Strawn wrote:
> >>> Thanks Kasey! I'm thinking about maybe putting the original 6gb  
> >>> drive back
> >> into the tray-loader, and the 20gb into an external enclosure. I  
> >> don't really
> >> have any use for the 266 that the 500 won't accomplish better.
> >>>
> >>> Owen
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - Original Message 
>  From: Kasey Smith
>  Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 4:39:14 PM
> 
>  Yes, you can swap them, just make sure of the partitioning yada  
>  yada
>  yada... (on the tray loader)
>  On Dec 14, 2009, at 1:34 PM, owen wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have a tray load iMac (266mhz rev C) with an 40gb upgraded hard
> > drive, and a slot load iMac (500mhz early 2001) with its  
> > original 20gb
> > drive. MacTracker says the tangerine uses an "Ultra ATA" bus and  
> > the
> > flower power uses an ATA-3" bus.
> >
> > Can I swap the drives?
> >
> > FWIW the 40gb drive is an Apollo EIDE UDMA-133 7200 Quiet drive.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Owen
> >>>
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Re: iMac G3 hard drives

[Elliott Price]

Does it work kinda like the remote that comes with newer Macs? I'm  
pretty sure you can wake it up with those.


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On Dec 15, 2009, at 7:48 AM, Owen Strawn wrote:

> That would be a cool idea, but I've never managed to figure out how  
> to use a remote server for iTunes (or iPhoto either). They never  
> seem to want to "wake from sleep" remotely.
>
> Thanks!
> Owen
>
>
> - Original Message 
>> From: Christian Wacker 
>> Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 10:49:12 PM
>>
>> That 266 has only one or two uses left.
>> My 266 tray loader became a Christmas Present to a friend, and it was
>> loaded up with their whole music collection. (it's got some software
>> and a special remote I made, so it's basically a nifty little juke
>> box)
>> And, I use my 350mhz iMac as the same, loaded my whole media library
>> on it, and enjoy it when I fall asleep some nights, (then I let it
>> fall asleep a few minutes later.)
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Owen Strawn wrote:
>>> Thanks Kasey! I'm thinking about maybe putting the original 6gb  
>>> drive back
>> into the tray-loader, and the 20gb into an external enclosure. I  
>> don't really
>> have any use for the 266 that the 500 won't accomplish better.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message 
 From: Kasey Smith
 Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 4:39:14 PM

 Yes, you can swap them, just make sure of the partitioning yada  
 yada
 yada... (on the tray loader)
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 1:34 PM, owen wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a tray load iMac (266mhz rev C) with an 40gb upgraded hard
> drive, and a slot load iMac (500mhz early 2001) with its  
> original 20gb
> drive. MacTracker says the tangerine uses an "Ultra ATA" bus and  
> the
> flower power uses an ATA-3" bus.
>
> Can I swap the drives?
>
> FWIW the 40gb drive is an Apollo EIDE UDMA-133 7200 Quiet drive.
>
> Thanks!
> Owen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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