Re: Which Mac group? The ALL MACS List!

[Paul Londoner]

Valter Psicoff, I'm interested in some older computers than the Power PC
Macs. These computers are the so called "home computers". I own an Amiga
A1200 with a Motorola 68020 CPU. This Amiga isn't set up to use the
Internet, though. Some other computers which people seem to be fascinated
with include Atari 8 bit, Enterprise, Memotech MTX, MSX, and Sinclair ZX
Spectrum. They all had their own style of keyboards, which aren't the same
as the layout which started with the IBM PC. It seems that the closest
keyboard layouts to the early IBM PC are the Commodore 128, and the Amiga
(all models). Just by getting a modern white, off white, or cream USB
keyboard, then adding a few stickers, you can recreate either of those
keyboards.

The main difference is that a lot of Motorola 68000-68040 MacIntosh
computers had built in CRT displays. When a built in CRT display fails,
then you've had it! If the display isn't built in, then you can replace it.
The replacement display needs to have a compatible plug or some kind of
adaptor. I think a good alternative to this would be the emulator
BasiliskII, though. I haven't set it up yet, though. If I did this, then
I'd have to make do with a more modern Mac keyboard and mouse, though. I've
already got the emulator vMac set up, but a lot of games and possibly other
software for this are in the old Stuffit format. I can't see how to run
Stuffi from inside the vMac emulator and it doesn't seem to run on my
Macs under Big Sur or Catalina, though.



On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 23:08, Jack Suggs  wrote:

> RE: I still don't know what people with Macs older than 2012 manage to do
>> with them.
>>
>> I have a pair of G4 'Graphite' Power PCs, 733 mhz, made in 2001, that I
> use for graphic design/page layout with QuarkXPress 4 and photo editing
> with Photoshop 7. And a matching G3 Graphite iMac 600mhz, also from 2001;
> it's jammed with MP3s.  I also have a pair of newer iMacs, one for the
> world wide web, the other for recording music. Plus two G3 iBook
> clamshells, one a Tangerine, the other a Blueberry. And I have others, but
> these are the oldest.
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Re: Which Mac group? The ALL MACS List!

[Jack Suggs]

>
> RE: I still don't know what people with Macs older than 2012 manage to do
> with them.
>
> I have a pair of G4 'Graphite' Power PCs, 733 mhz, made in 2001, that I
use for graphic design/page layout with QuarkXPress 4 and photo editing
with Photoshop 7. And a matching G3 Graphite iMac 600mhz, also from 2001;
it's jammed with MP3s.  I also have a pair of newer iMacs, one for the
world wide web, the other for recording music. Plus two G3 iBook
clamshells, one a Tangerine, the other a Blueberry. And I have others, but
these are the oldest.

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Re: Which Mac group? The ALL MACS List!

[Valter Psicof]

>Valter, you said "I have installed OSX 10.9 Mavericks, and most software
>has a version for it (you might have to look for it in some archives,
>though)."
>
>What I meant by my question is that I want to know WHICH archives you
>look in! 

Well, it depends :-)
E.g.: I find an interesting app, I go to the developer website, and it
says it's compatible with OSX 10.12 or newer.
But that's the latest version. Many times the website has a section
(called Downloads, Archive, Previous versions, whatever) with older
versions. You have to look for it, though (many time it's somehow "hidden"
away).

You might need to Google "APP NAME and OSX Mavericks" to find which
version is compatible with your OS.
Sometimes doing so lets you find the "Archive" section that you couldn't
find on the website.
Sometimes you find an Open Source place (like GitHub) where files aren't
organized in a neat, user-friendly way (and I mean "not-engineer-type"),
so you have to explore and try many folders.

>AFAIK it's not the Apple website Developers area, not MacIntosh Garden,
>not MacIntosh Repository, and not oldversion.com 
>either! 

Usually you can't find a single place where all softwares are stored,
simply because most of them are still copyrighted.
Hence you have to hunt for it. As usual, Google is your friend :-)

>Some people might be using software they originally downloaded years ago
>from the Apple Appstore, but it seems that you can install software
>you've never installed before. Where do you get it?

I find the Appstore not much "collaborative" in that way.
After all, Apple established it to get money, not helping old users... ;-)

>Recently, I've been looking at some vintage MacIntosh computers on eBay,
>as the type of Macs I never knew, but I think it would probably be a
>stupid idea to buy any. I used to own a Blueberry iMac (1999) and a
>MacPro "Quicksilver" (2000), but recently I've been looking at some
>68000-68040 based Macs.

Unless you are REALLY into vintage computing, and spending lots of time
tinkering with it, I would ignore any Mac pre-Intel.
With the Intel processors there really was a huge step forward; especially
if you plan to use OSX. With pre-Intel Macs, it's more archeology than
computing ;-D
(they are still usable, of course, but finding apps and solutions for them
is like digging for fossil bones)

>I think a good money saving tip is to get or make a keyboard and a mouse
>for a retro computer that you've heard was absolutely amazing, connect it
>to a computer which can run an emulator for that computer, then you can
>save a fortune!

Sounds like "archeology" to me, but if that's what makes you ticking,
enjoy yourself! :-D


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Re: Which Mac group? The ALL MACS List!

[Paul Londoner]

Valter, you said "I have installed OSX 10.9 Mavericks, and most software
has a version for it (you might have to look for it in some archives,
though)."

What I meant by my question is that I want to know WHICH archives you look
in! AFAIK it's not the Apple website Developers area, not MacIntosh Garden,
not MacIntosh Repository, and not oldversion.com either! Some people might
be using software they originally downloaded years ago from the Apple
Appstore, but it seems that you can install software you've never installed
before. Where do you get it?

Recently, I've been looking at some vintage MacIntosh computers on eBay, as
the type of Macs I never knew, but I think it would probably be a stupid
idea to buy any. I used to own a Blueberry iMac (1999) and a MacPro
"Quicksilver" (2000), but recently I've been looking at some 68000-68040
based Macs. I think a good money saving tip is to get or make a keyboard
and a mouse for a retro computer that you've heard was absolutely amazing,
connect it to a computer which can run an emulator for that computer, then
you can save a fortune!

On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 05:29, Valter Psicof  wrote:

> >I still don't know what people with Macs older than 2012 manage to do
> >with them. Would someone like to explain?
>
> I'm still using an Early 2009 24" iMac. It's going great (although
> upgraded with 8 GB Ram and 1 TB HD).
> I have installed OSX 10.9 Mavericks, and most software has a version for
> it (you might have to look for it in some archives, though).
>
> The only thing I'm not using it for anymore, it's gaming (I bought a PC
> for that).
> Everything else, work included, I'm doing on this Mac - even if it's now
> 12 years old :-)
> Adobe Creative Suite CS6, MS Office 2011, Firefox, Thunderbid, VLC,
> Calibre, etc., they all work flawlessly - if a bit slowly sometimes.
>
> Sure, if you want to run the latest software you need something newer...
> but most of the time, if I look around I can find a suitable software that
> still runs in OSX 10.9. And if it doesn't... usually I don't really need
> it.
>
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Re: Which Mac group? The ALL MACS List!

[R. A. Cantrell]

Thanks everybody for chipping in. Bruce had the solution which is TenFourFox.

On 5/18/21, Valter Psicof  wrote:
>>I still don't know what people with Macs older than 2012 manage to do
>>with them. Would someone like to explain?
>
> I'm still using an Early 2009 24" iMac. It's going great (although
> upgraded with 8 GB Ram and 1 TB HD).
> I have installed OSX 10.9 Mavericks, and most software has a version for
> it (you might have to look for it in some archives, though).
>
> The only thing I'm not using it for anymore, it's gaming (I bought a PC
> for that).
> Everything else, work included, I'm doing on this Mac - even if it's now
> 12 years old :-)
> Adobe Creative Suite CS6, MS Office 2011, Firefox, Thunderbid, VLC,
> Calibre, etc., they all work flawlessly - if a bit slowly sometimes.
>
> Sure, if you want to run the latest software you need something newer...
> but most of the time, if I look around I can find a suitable software that
> still runs in OSX 10.9. And if it doesn't... usually I don't really need
> it.
>
>
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Re: Which Mac group? The ALL MACS List!

[Valter Psicof]

>I still don't know what people with Macs older than 2012 manage to do
>with them. Would someone like to explain?

I'm still using an Early 2009 24" iMac. It's going great (although
upgraded with 8 GB Ram and 1 TB HD).
I have installed OSX 10.9 Mavericks, and most software has a version for
it (you might have to look for it in some archives, though).

The only thing I'm not using it for anymore, it's gaming (I bought a PC
for that).
Everything else, work included, I'm doing on this Mac - even if it's now
12 years old :-)
Adobe Creative Suite CS6, MS Office 2011, Firefox, Thunderbid, VLC,
Calibre, etc., they all work flawlessly - if a bit slowly sometimes.

Sure, if you want to run the latest software you need something newer...
but most of the time, if I look around I can find a suitable software that
still runs in OSX 10.9. And if it doesn't... usually I don't really need
it.


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Re: Which Mac group? The ALL MACS List!

[Paul Londoner]

Russell, I had lots of advice about buying a MacBook Pro (mid 2012),
because it's fairly easy to upgrade.

As for where I am, London at the moment. I managed to escape last year to
Berlin, but I was forced back thanks to all the COVID-19 restrictions. I
was still classed as a tourist and wasn't allowed to book accommodation any
more, so I had nowhere to sleep. I've just checked my Internet download
speed and it's 47.2Mbps.

I still don't know what people with Macs older than 2012 manage to do with
them. Would someone like to explain? There might be a secret stash of lots
of software somewhere I've never heard of, but that doesn't seem to be
MacIntosh Garden, or MacIntosh Repository.




On Tue, 18 May 2021 at 18:27, Russell Courtenay 
wrote:

> I know this is the iMac group but I appreciate the email discussion and it
> looks like this is the only email group on Macs that has survived Facebook!
> I am on Facebook too but wow is it a time waster...
>
> I’ve done a lot of research on the older MacBook Pros and I think 2012 is
> where it’s at. I have a 2010 and it is getting too slow to do much, with
> all the video conferencing we do these days it won’t do AirPlay well so my
> family can participate.
>
> My 2011 17” is beautiful and fast but has the graphics issue. As I have
> time I will apply the hardware fix but I needed something that works now.
>
> I really wanted a 2015 or 2016 but with the butterfly keyboard issues
> unresolved I finally paid a bit more and got a 2019 16” MacBook Pro and it
> is a dream. Now I just need to do enough work with it to make it pay for
> itself somehow...
>
> Now that my older MacBooks are retired from daily use I hope to make mods
> to them to make them work well into the 21st century!
>
> By the way, where are you located Paul?
>
> I am in the SW Idaho USA high desert, been living in the rurals and
> farming for years but now struggling to get used to living in the city. I
> like the good internet at least...
>
> Russell Courtenay
> Solemnity and profundity are sublime in inequity.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 16, 2021, at 9:22 PM, Paul Londoner 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Bruce Johnson, I thought I should tell you how things have moved on for
> me.
>
> I never said I could afford anything like $649, or even $400! I'd never
> even heard of Fleabay before, but I joined and found out that they had no
> Macs near me. I assume this is because I'm not in the USA.
>
> Next, I bought a cheap MacBook Pro 13" (mid 2012) with 8Gb and a 500Gb HDD
> from eBay for less than the equivalent of $267. I was very happy with this,
> but after about two weeks the screen started flickering like mad, as well
> as blanking out and turning green! I don't think this had anything to do
> with me installing "Patched Sur", because it didn't happen immediately
> after that.
>
> After this, I thought I should buy another, cheaper MacBook Pro 13" (mid
> 2012) and see what I could do with it. I bought one for just under the
> equivalent of $151 also from eBay, which was showing the screen saying that
> it couldn't find an operating system. After it was delivered, I soon had
> Catalina installed on its 500Gb HDD. I quickly found out that this MBP (mid
> 2012) has only 4Gb of RAM, the very reason why I bought my second recent
> Mac, although it's upgradedable! It seemed to work more slowly than the
> other MBP.
>
> Later on, I bought a Philips 00 screwdriver and removed the back of the
> MBP with the faulty screen. I also have a new set of Torx screwdrivers. I
> had a look round and checked that the Philips 00 screwdriver would also
> unscrew the bracket holding the RAM in. I replaced the back of this MBP,
> but I lost one screw and another one wouldn't go in! The next thing I knew,
> I found that the screen was no longer giving me any problems!  This is
> still the situation a few days later and I'm  typing this message on it!
>
> I've made up a music track in Logic X Pro, and made a 1080p video on my
> Nokia 2.3 phone and MBA. I've also made a 1080p video on my Nokia 2.3 phone
> and my first MBP after the faulty screen problem disappeared. I'm now
> planning to upgrade one of both of my MBP computers to 16Gb and an SSD.
>
> I hear that some people can even upgrade the CPU on these 2012 MBP models
> from i5 to i7, so I'm considering having that done, but I don't think I
> could do it myself. Some people like to use the Davinci Resolve software,
> but I'm not sure what it can do which iMovie can't. Does it do CGI or
> what's so special about it? My ambition is to upgrade my MBP 2012 computers
> to be more powerful than models from years later. My ultimate goal is to
> create a clone of an Apple Silicon MacBook, using an iPad, a Raspberry Pi,
> or a Banana Pi computer.
>
>  --
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:49, Bruce Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Paul Londoner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bruce Johnson, I've done some more research on the Apple Appstore using
>> the facility of clickin

Re: Which Mac group? The ALL MACS List!

[Russell Courtenay]

I know this is the iMac group but I appreciate the email discussion and it 
looks like this is the only email group on Macs that has survived Facebook! I 
am on Facebook too but wow is it a time waster...

I’ve done a lot of research on the older MacBook Pros and I think 2012 is where 
it’s at. I have a 2010 and it is getting too slow to do much, with all the 
video conferencing we do these days it won’t do AirPlay well so my family can 
participate. 

My 2011 17” is beautiful and fast but has the graphics issue. As I have time I 
will apply the hardware fix but I needed something that works now. 

I really wanted a 2015 or 2016 but with the butterfly keyboard issues 
unresolved I finally paid a bit more and got a 2019 16” MacBook Pro and it is a 
dream. Now I just need to do enough work with it to make it pay for itself 
somehow...

Now that my older MacBooks are retired from daily use I hope to make mods to 
them to make them work well into the 21st century!

By the way, where are you located Paul? 

I am in the SW Idaho USA high desert, been living in the rurals and farming for 
years but now struggling to get used to living in the city. I like the good 
internet at least...

Russell Courtenay
Solemnity and profundity are sublime in inequity. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2021, at 9:22 PM, Paul Londoner  wrote:
> 
> 
> Bruce Johnson, I thought I should tell you how things have moved on for me. 
> 
> I never said I could afford anything like $649, or even $400! I'd never even 
> heard of Fleabay before, but I joined and found out that they had no Macs 
> near me. I assume this is because I'm not in the USA. 
> 
> Next, I bought a cheap MacBook Pro 13" (mid 2012) with 8Gb and a 500Gb HDD 
> from eBay for less than the equivalent of $267. I was very happy with this, 
> but after about two weeks the screen started flickering like mad, as well as 
> blanking out and turning green! I don't think this had anything to do with me 
> installing "Patched Sur", because it didn't happen immediately after that. 
> 
> After this, I thought I should buy another, cheaper MacBook Pro 13" (mid 
> 2012) and see what I could do with it. I bought one for just under the 
> equivalent of $151 also from eBay, which was showing the screen saying that 
> it couldn't find an operating system. After it was delivered, I soon had 
> Catalina installed on its 500Gb HDD. I quickly found out that this MBP (mid 
> 2012) has only 4Gb of RAM, the very reason why I bought my second recent Mac, 
> although it's upgradedable! It seemed to work more slowly than the other MBP. 
> 
> Later on, I bought a Philips 00 screwdriver and removed the back of the MBP 
> with the faulty screen. I also have a new set of Torx screwdrivers. I had a 
> look round and checked that the Philips 00 screwdriver would also unscrew the 
> bracket holding the RAM in. I replaced the back of this MBP, but I lost one 
> screw and another one wouldn't go in! The next thing I knew, I found that the 
> screen was no longer giving me any problems!  This is still the situation a 
> few days later and I'm  typing this message on it! 
> 
> I've made up a music track in Logic X Pro, and made a 1080p video on my Nokia 
> 2.3 phone and MBA. I've also made a 1080p video on my Nokia 2.3 phone and my 
> first MBP after the faulty screen problem disappeared. I'm now planning to 
> upgrade one of both of my MBP computers to 16Gb and an SSD.  
> 
> I hear that some people can even upgrade the CPU on these 2012 MBP models 
> from i5 to i7, so I'm considering having that done, but I don't think I could 
> do it myself. Some people like to use the Davinci Resolve software, but I'm 
> not sure what it can do which iMovie can't. Does it do CGI or what's so 
> special about it? My ambition is to upgrade my MBP 2012 computers to be more 
> powerful than models from years later. My ultimate goal is to create a clone 
> of an Apple Silicon MacBook, using an iPad, a Raspberry Pi, or a Banana Pi 
> computer. 
> 
>  --
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
>> On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:49, Bruce Johnson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
 On Apr 1, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Paul Londoner  wrote:
 
 Bruce Johnson, I've done some more research on the Apple Appstore using 
 the facility of clicking on the link "runs on this MacBook Air" to check 
 compatibiliy on older versions of macOS and here's what I found out. 
 
 SOFTWARE FROM APPLE APPSTORE WHICH  I HAVE INSTALLED OR CONSIDERED 
 INSTALLING ON MY MACBOOK AIR EARLY 2014 (4GB) SO WOULD ALSO WANT TO RUN ON 
 A "MacBook Pro 17" 2.66GHz Core i7 mid 2010" 
>>> 
>>> Latest supported macOS is only 10.13 High Sierra!! (EveryMac.com)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT210222 
>>> 
>>> I assume that older versions of the apps above are available from the 
>>> Developers section of the Apple website, requiring a $99 annual 
>>> subscription. Can you tell me which of the apps above is available from 
>>> there for macOS 10.13 High Sierra?
>> 
>> I

Re: Which Mac group?

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 16, 2021, at 8:22 PM, Paul Londoner 
mailto:paul.londo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Bruce Johnson, I thought I should tell you how things have moved on for me.

I never said I could afford anything like $649, or even $400! I'd never even 
heard of Fleabay before, but I joined and found out that they had no Macs near 
me. I assume this is because I'm not in the USA.

Wow, I was using an old nickname for E-Bay in that email


Next, I bought a cheap MacBook Pro 13" (mid 2012) with 8Gb and a 500Gb HDD from 
eBay for less than the equivalent of $267. I was very happy with this, but 
after about two weeks the screen started flickering like mad, as well as 
blanking out and turning green! I don't think this had anything to do with me 
installing "Patched Sur", because it didn't happen immediately after that.


That indicates  a loose screen cable connection, which it appears you 
discovered!

After this, I thought I should buy another, cheaper MacBook Pro 13" (mid 2012) 
and see what I could do with it. I bought one for just under the equivalent of 
$151 also from eBay, which was showing the screen saying that it couldn't find 
an operating system. After it was delivered, I soon had Catalina installed on 
its 500Gb HDD. I quickly found out that this MBP (mid 2012) has only 4Gb of 
RAM, the very reason why I bought my second recent Mac, although it's 
upgradedable! It seemed to work more slowly than the other MBP.

Slower RAM and only 4GB of it will do that every time.


Later on, I bought a Philips 00 screwdriver and removed the back of the MBP 
with the faulty screen. I also have a new set of Torx screwdrivers. I had a 
look round and checked that the Philips 00 screwdriver would also unscrew the 
bracket holding the RAM in.

You do not need to unscrew any brackets to replace RAM in MacBooks with 
replaceable RAM! This is OWC’s RAM replacement video 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh9hazA5hRo for that model. All you need to do 
is remove the 10 screws holding on the back; the ram has spring clips holding 
it in.


 replaced the back of this MBP, but I lost one screw and another one wouldn't 
go in! The next thing I knew, I found that the screen was no longer giving me 
any problems!  This is still the situation a few days later and I'm  typing 
this message on it!

https://www.ifixit.com is your go-to guide for all of this. All of their Mac 
disassembly guides are excellent. I”d take another crack at your 2013

If you ever need to work on things with teensy screws, I ABSOLUTELY reccomend 
getting a piece of egg-crate foam like this 
https://foamonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Egg-Crate-Foam.jpg You can 
usually find a chunk for free. This keeps all the teensy screws accessible and 
contained.  The best part is that I can dig into each well with my fingers and 
pick up one screw without disturbing any og the surrounding wells…whenever I 
work on a Mac or PC I can put the case screws into the wells in the same 
pattern they go in, put the screws for a subassembly together, etc.

It’s saved my butt a thousand times over.


I've made up a music track in Logic X Pro, and made a 1080p video on my Nokia 
2.3 phone and MBA. I've also made a 1080p video on my Nokia 2.3 phone and my 
first MBP after the faulty screen problem disappeared. I'm now planning to 
upgrade one of both of my MBP computers to 16Gb and an SSD.


Both excellent and worthwhile upgrades.

I hear that some people can even upgrade the CPU on these 2012 MBP models from 
i5 to i7, so I'm considering having that done, but I don't think I could do it 
myself. Some people like to use the Davinci Resolve software, but I'm not sure 
what it can do which iMovie can't. Does it do CGI or what's so special about 
it? My ambition is to upgrade my MBP 2012 computers to be more powerful than 
models from years later. My ultimate goal is to create a clone of an Apple 
Silicon MacBook, using an iPad, a Raspberry Pi, or a Banana Pi computer.

That…won’t work very well. Sure the iPad, RasPi is ARM based, but the M1 is 
more than just the SOC Apple uses (which, BTW is a LOT more powerful than any 
of the chips in the aforementioned devices.)

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Re: Which Mac group?

[Paul Londoner]

Bruce Johnson, I thought I should tell you how things have moved on for me.

I never said I could afford anything like $649, or even $400! I'd never
even heard of Fleabay before, but I joined and found out that they had no
Macs near me. I assume this is because I'm not in the USA.

Next, I bought a cheap MacBook Pro 13" (mid 2012) with 8Gb and a 500Gb HDD
from eBay for less than the equivalent of $267. I was very happy with this,
but after about two weeks the screen started flickering like mad, as well
as blanking out and turning green! I don't think this had anything to do
with me installing "Patched Sur", because it didn't happen immediately
after that.

After this, I thought I should buy another, cheaper MacBook Pro 13" (mid
2012) and see what I could do with it. I bought one for just under the
equivalent of $151 also from eBay, which was showing the screen saying that
it couldn't find an operating system. After it was delivered, I soon had
Catalina installed on its 500Gb HDD. I quickly found out that this MBP (mid
2012) has only 4Gb of RAM, the very reason why I bought my second recent
Mac, although it's upgradedable! It seemed to work more slowly than the
other MBP.

Later on, I bought a Philips 00 screwdriver and removed the back of the MBP
with the faulty screen. I also have a new set of Torx screwdrivers. I had a
look round and checked that the Philips 00 screwdriver would also unscrew
the bracket holding the RAM in. I replaced the back of this MBP, but I lost
one screw and another one wouldn't go in! The next thing I knew, I found
that the screen was no longer giving me any problems!  This is still the
situation a few days later and I'm  typing this message on it!

I've made up a music track in Logic X Pro, and made a 1080p video on my
Nokia 2.3 phone and MBA. I've also made a 1080p video on my Nokia 2.3 phone
and my first MBP after the faulty screen problem disappeared. I'm now
planning to upgrade one of both of my MBP computers to 16Gb and an SSD.

I hear that some people can even upgrade the CPU on these 2012 MBP models
from i5 to i7, so I'm considering having that done, but I don't think I
could do it myself. Some people like to use the Davinci Resolve software,
but I'm not sure what it can do which iMovie can't. Does it do CGI or
what's so special about it? My ambition is to upgrade my MBP 2012 computers
to be more powerful than models from years later. My ultimate goal is to
create a clone of an Apple Silicon MacBook, using an iPad, a Raspberry Pi,
or a Banana Pi computer.

 --

Paul


On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:49, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:

>
>
> On Apr 1, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Paul Londoner  wrote:
>
> Bruce Johnson, I've done some more research on the Apple Appstore using
> the facility of clicking on the link "runs on this MacBook Air" to check
> compatibiliy on older versions of macOS and here's what I found out.
>
> SOFTWARE FROM APPLE APPSTORE WHICH  I HAVE INSTALLED OR CONSIDERED
> INSTALLING ON MY MACBOOK AIR EARLY 2014 (4GB) SO WOULD ALSO WANT TO RUN ON
> A "MacBook Pro 17" 2.66GHz Core i7 mid 2010"
>
>
> Latest supported macOS is only 10.13 High Sierra!! (EveryMac.com)
>
>
> https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT210222
>
> I assume that older versions of the apps above are available from the
> Developers section of the Apple website, requiring a $99 annual
> subscription. Can you tell me which of the apps above is available from
> there for macOS 10.13 High Sierra?
>
>
> I don’t have a paid subscription to the developer section, so I don’t
> know. I have a free one and there are only a variety of developer tools
> available to me for downloading.
>
> Given that these seem to be requirements for you; I'd start looking for a
> newer MacBook pro. Mid 2012 ones will run Catalina, I just worked on one of
> those yesterday. The cutoff for MacBook Pros for Big Sur is mid 2013.
>
> Some casual Googling turned up this deal :
> https://www.macofalltrades.com/apple-macbook-pro-15-inch-2-3ghz-quad-core-i7-retina-mid-2012-mc975ll-a-1-excellent-condition/?setCurrencyId=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw3pWDBhB3EiwAV1c5rMTXqV0raCGYfhx6oSMEULzyEAu6NG5edyg-sjsr20PODHpL1XVTLRoC5bcQAvD_BwE
>
> Also don't discount picking up an 8GB MacBook Air 2014; I found lots for ~
> $400 on fleabay.
>
>
>
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Re: Which Mac group?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 1, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Paul Londoner 
mailto:paul.londo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Bruce Johnson, I've done some more research on the Apple Appstore using the 
facility of clicking on the link "runs on this MacBook Air" to check 
compatibiliy on older versions of macOS and here's what I found out.

SOFTWARE FROM APPLE APPSTORE WHICH  I HAVE INSTALLED OR CONSIDERED INSTALLING 
ON MY MACBOOK AIR EARLY 2014 (4GB) SO WOULD ALSO WANT TO RUN ON A "MacBook Pro 
17" 2.66GHz Core i7 mid 2010"

Latest supported macOS is only 10.13 High Sierra!! 
(EveryMac.com)


https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT210222

I assume that older versions of the apps above are available from the 
Developers section of the Apple website, requiring a $99 annual subscription. 
Can you tell me which of the apps above is available from there for macOS 10.13 
High Sierra?

I don’t have a paid subscription to the developer section, so I don’t know. I 
have a free one and there are only a variety of developer tools available to me 
for downloading.

Given that these seem to be requirements for you; I'd start looking for a newer 
MacBook pro. Mid 2012 ones will run Catalina, I just worked on one of those 
yesterday. The cutoff for MacBook Pros for Big Sur is mid 2013.

Some casual Googling turned up this deal : 
https://www.macofalltrades.com/apple-macbook-pro-15-inch-2-3ghz-quad-core-i7-retina-mid-2012-mc975ll-a-1-excellent-condition/?setCurrencyId=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw3pWDBhB3EiwAV1c5rMTXqV0raCGYfhx6oSMEULzyEAu6NG5edyg-sjsr20PODHpL1XVTLRoC5bcQAvD_BwE

Also don't discount picking up an 8GB MacBook Air 2014; I found lots for ~ $400 
on fleabay.



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Re: Which Mac group?

[Paul Londoner]

Bruce Johnson, I've done some more research on the Apple Appstore using the
facility of clicking on the link "runs on this MacBook Air" to check
compatibiliy on older versions of macOS and here's what I found out.

SOFTWARE FROM APPLE APPSTORE WHICH  I HAVE INSTALLED OR CONSIDERED
INSTALLING ON MY MACBOOK AIR EARLY 2014 (4GB) SO WOULD ALSO WANT TO RUN ON
A "MacBook Pro 17" 2.66GHz Core i7 mid 2010"

Latest supported macOS is only 10.13 High Sierra!! (EveryMac.com)

Xcode - NO

Swift Playgrounds - NO

Garageband - NO

BBEdit - NO

The Sims 2: Super Collection - YES

Pages - NO

iMovie - NO

Keynote - NO

Numbers - NO

Logic Pro - NO

In most or even ALL cases, a version of macOS 10.15 Catalina is required.
Catalina isn’t officially supported on any Mac from before mid 2012. The
list is on…

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT210222

I assume that older versions of the apps above are available from the
Developers section of the Apple website, requiring a $99 annual
subscription. Can you tell me which of the apps above is available from
there for macOS 10.13 High Sierra?




On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 14:03, Paul Londoner  wrote:

> Bruce Johnson, thanks for that information! I will go back to the Apple
> Appstore and check on the requirements for various apps.
>
> After watching a video by Luke Miani on Youtube, I've been considering
> buying a mid 2010 MacBook Pro with 2.66Ghz Core i7 8Gb RAM fitted. I have
> some doubts about this, though.
>
> Can you advise me ASAP what I can and can't do with this model of Mac? I
> heard that it could run a patched version of macOS Big Sur, but that this
> would mean no graphics acceleration causing Safari to take 14 seconds to
> open a window and it either can't do Airplay, or not on a particular
> version of macOS.  Here's that video by Luke Miani...
> https://youtu.be/4_AzUtG9h9k
>
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 20:04, Bruce Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:12 PM, Paul Londoner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have done a lot of research into the Mac and its software. What I found
>> out was that unless you have the latest macOS installed, then when you try
>> to download apps from the Apple Appstore, you either can't download them or
>> can't run them.
>>
>>
>> This isn’t even remotely true. Yes there are apps that require Big sur,
>> but when you log into the App store it knows what version of OS X you’re
>> running. Compatibility to older versions of the OS is up to the app
>> developers themselves. For Apple products, that is most likely to be
>> limited to only the past two or three versions.
>>
>> I found out about this using a Toshiba Satellite Hackintosh with High
>> Sierra installed. I even found out where the settings were that said which
>> version of macOS was required. I think this was in the plist files. I
>> changed these settings to match High Sierra, but these programs still
>> didn't run.
>>
>>
>> Changing the plist for the App will not change whether or not it runs in
>> that OS. They’re not artificially limiting you to a set OS, the OS version
>> in the plist file reflects the required support libraries in the OS.
>>
>> From what I've heard, unless I was running the latest macOS Big Sur, I
>> heard about a job training course for designing a UI. It said that I must
>> own a Mac to do this and use particular software, but I can't remember the
>> name of this software at the moment. AFAIK, I was only able to download
>> XCode, and Keynote from the Apple App Store, because I'm running macOS Big
>> Sur. Even If I was running Catalina I may not have been allowed to download
>> this software.
>>
>>
>> The current compatibility for Xcode in the App store is listed as 10.15.4
>> Keynote only require 10.15 or later. If you run the App store App it tells
>> you ‘it will run on this ” if you click on that it switches
>> to tell you the minimum version
>>
>> Older mac OS versions are freely available from Apple:
>> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211683 back to Yosemite 10.10 and 10.7
>> and 10.8 are available for purchase
>> https://www.apple.com/shop/help/downloadable_software
>>
>> --
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>> University of Arizona
>> College of Pharmacy
>> Information Technology Group
>>
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>>
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Re: Which Mac group?

[Paul Londoner]

Bruce Johnson, thanks for that information! I will go back to the Apple
Appstore and check on the requirements for various apps.

After watching a video by Luke Miani on Youtube, I've been considering
buying a mid 2010 MacBook Pro with 2.66Ghz Core i7 8Gb RAM fitted. I have
some doubts about this, though.

Can you advise me ASAP what I can and can't do with this model of Mac? I
heard that it could run a patched version of macOS Big Sur, but that this
would mean no graphics acceleration causing Safari to take 14 seconds to
open a window and it either can't do Airplay, or not on a particular
version of macOS.  Here's that video by Luke Miani...
https://youtu.be/4_AzUtG9h9k

On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 20:04, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:

>
> On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:12 PM, Paul Londoner 
> wrote:
>
> I have done a lot of research into the Mac and its software. What I found
> out was that unless you have the latest macOS installed, then when you try
> to download apps from the Apple Appstore, you either can't download them or
> can't run them.
>
>
> This isn’t even remotely true. Yes there are apps that require Big sur,
> but when you log into the App store it knows what version of OS X you’re
> running. Compatibility to older versions of the OS is up to the app
> developers themselves. For Apple products, that is most likely to be
> limited to only the past two or three versions.
>
> I found out about this using a Toshiba Satellite Hackintosh with High
> Sierra installed. I even found out where the settings were that said which
> version of macOS was required. I think this was in the plist files. I
> changed these settings to match High Sierra, but these programs still
> didn't run.
>
>
> Changing the plist for the App will not change whether or not it runs in
> that OS. They’re not artificially limiting you to a set OS, the OS version
> in the plist file reflects the required support libraries in the OS.
>
> From what I've heard, unless I was running the latest macOS Big Sur, I
> heard about a job training course for designing a UI. It said that I must
> own a Mac to do this and use particular software, but I can't remember the
> name of this software at the moment. AFAIK, I was only able to download
> XCode, and Keynote from the Apple App Store, because I'm running macOS Big
> Sur. Even If I was running Catalina I may not have been allowed to download
> this software.
>
>
> The current compatibility for Xcode in the App store is listed as 10.15.4
> Keynote only require 10.15 or later. If you run the App store App it tells
> you ‘it will run on this ” if you click on that it switches
> to tell you the minimum version
>
> Older mac OS versions are freely available from Apple:
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211683 back to Yosemite 10.10 and 10.7
> and 10.8 are available for purchase
> https://www.apple.com/shop/help/downloadable_software
>
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> University of Arizona
> College of Pharmacy
> Information Technology Group
>
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Re: Which Mac group?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:12 PM, Paul Londoner 
mailto:paul.londo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I have done a lot of research into the Mac and its software. What I found out 
was that unless you have the latest macOS installed, then when you try to 
download apps from the Apple Appstore, you either can't download them or can't 
run them.

This isn’t even remotely true. Yes there are apps that require Big sur, but 
when you log into the App store it knows what version of OS X you’re running. 
Compatibility to older versions of the OS is up to the app developers 
themselves. For Apple products, that is most likely to be limited to only the 
past two or three versions.

I found out about this using a Toshiba Satellite Hackintosh with High Sierra 
installed. I even found out where the settings were that said which version of 
macOS was required. I think this was in the plist files. I changed these 
settings to match High Sierra, but these programs still didn't run.

Changing the plist for the App will not change whether or not it runs in that 
OS. They’re not artificially limiting you to a set OS, the OS version in the 
plist file reflects the required support libraries in the OS.

>From what I've heard, unless I was running the latest macOS Big Sur, I heard 
>about a job training course for designing a UI. It said that I must own a Mac 
>to do this and use particular software, but I can't remember the name of this 
>software at the moment. AFAIK, I was only able to download XCode, and Keynote 
>from the Apple App Store, because I'm running macOS Big Sur. Even If I was 
>running Catalina I may not have been allowed to download this software.

The current compatibility for Xcode in the App store is listed as 10.15.4 
Keynote only require 10.15 or later. If you run the App store App it tells you 
‘it will run on this ” if you click on that it switches to tell 
you the minimum version

Older mac OS versions are freely available from Apple:  
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211683 back to Yosemite 10.10 and 10.7 and 
10.8 are available for purchase 
https://www.apple.com/shop/help/downloadable_software

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College of Pharmacy
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Re: Which Mac group?

[Paul Londoner]

I have done a lot of research into the Mac and its software. What I found
out was that unless you have the latest macOS installed, then when you try
to download apps from the Apple Appstore, you either can't download them or
can't run them. I found out about this using a Toshiba Satellite Hackintosh
with High Sierra installed. I even found out where the settings were that
said which version of macOS was required. I think this was in the plist
files. I changed these settings to match High Sierra, but these programs
still didn't run. From what I've heard, unless I was running the latest
macOS Big Sur, I heard about a job training course for designing a UI. It
said that I must own a Mac to do this and use particular software, but I
can't remember the name of this software at the moment. AFAIK, I was only
able to download XCode, and Keynote from the Apple App Store, because I'm
running macOS Big Sur. Even If I was running Catalina I may not have been
allowed to download this software. For older versions of macOS I've heard
that users have to pay Apple $99 per year to access the Developers' section
where they can download older versions of the software which will run on
their macOS version.

I really don't know what is the latest version of macOS which can be run on
a Mac from 2008. What kind of software do you run on it? Where do you get
this software from? I've heard of Macintosh Repository, Macintosh Garden,
and Oldversion.com, but none of these sites seem to have any software like
old versions of popular office and productivity software by Apple.

SInce posting my last message, I've watched some more videos about
upgrading Macs. One of them showed how to replace soldered RAM on a MacBook
Air from 2012, but my MacBook Air is from 2014. I assume the RAM is
similar. From what I saw, the chips look nothing like I've ever seen before
and the type of soldering is nothing like I've seen before either!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjFAr5nM4YU

I watched another video saying that the MacBooks from 2012 were the last
ones which Apple made easy to upgrade, but I the RAM wasn't soldered in on
that MacBook Pro.

So far, things are going OK with my 4Gb MacBook Air, except for the few
messages saying that memory is low, so I should close some apps. I've
achieved my original goal of owning a Mac which can run Logic Pro. This is
even a later version of Logic Pro than was used in the recording studio!
Apart from this, I have never owned a computer with more than 4Gb RAM
fitted. I've been uisng LInux OS for several years, but if I'd been using a
recent version of WIndows then I'd probably have been forced to upgrade.




On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 16:02, 'Skyvalley Higher Praise' via iMac Group <
imaclist@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Same here.  2008 iMac.  Just recently replaced the HD with an SD and
> cleaned out the inside.  Hoping to keep it running another 1 to 2 years
> before retiring the unit.
> Experimented with installation of Linux on the unit, but faced an issue
> with the graphics card not being fully supported.
>
> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 11:06:38 PM UTC-7 Dennis Faulkner wrote:
>
>> I am still using an Apple IMac from 2008
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 9:04 PM, Bruce Johnson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Honestly this is the last LowEndMac Google group running, afaik. I
>> haven’t gotten any  post from any of the others in a long time.
>>
>>
>> The list of Macs that run Big Sur is pretty straight forward
>> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211238 and it does go back quite a
>> way; The machine I’m writing this on is a 2014 MBA with 4 MB of ram,
>> running Big Sur. That said it’s not my main system; I haven’t used it as
>> such for a while. But with 4GB you’ve always had to balance how many apps
>> you’re running with what you’re doing. This works well as email/web
>> browsing/text editing/photos system.
>>
>> Honestly I’ve been down the  same Hackintosh and ‘hacked OS’ macs path
>> and it’s been more trouble in the end, than it was
>> worth. I found I was spending more time working ON my computer than
>> working WITH it.
>>
>> Find a Mac you can afford on that list above move on.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 10:46 AM, PaulBX  wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately I haven't used this group for some time, but have still
>> been getting emails from it.
>>
>>
>> In 2012 I bought a Blueberry iMac G3 (1999) and not long after that I got
>> a Mac Pro G4 "Quicksilver" Mac free of charge from Freecycle. My motive for
>> getting both of these Macs was to find out more about the Mac in general,
>> especially as I was doing some free music recording sessions in a studio
>> where the sound engineer/producer was using Logic Pro 9. I think the Mac in
>> the studio was a desktop Mac Pro with an Intel Xeon CPU, but whatever model
>> it was it had a silver mesh case.
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately what I found out was that these Macs had virtually nothing
>> in common with the Mac in the studio and wouldn't even run Safari! I no
>> 

Re: Which Mac group?

['Dennis Faulkner' via iMac Group]

I am still using an Apple IMac from 2008

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 9:04 PM, Bruce Johnson  
> wrote:
> 
>  Honestly this is the last LowEndMac Google group running, afaik. I haven’t 
> gotten any  post from any of the others in a long time.
> 
> The list of Macs that run Big Sur is pretty straight forward 
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211238 and it does go back quite a way; The 
> machine I’m writing this on is a 2014 MBA with 4 MB of ram, running Big Sur. 
> That said it’s not my main system; I haven’t used it as such for a while. But 
> with 4GB you’ve always had to balance how many apps you’re running with what 
> you’re doing. This works well as email/web browsing/text editing/photos 
> system.  
> 
> Honestly I’ve been down the  same Hackintosh and ‘hacked OS’ macs path and 
> it’s been more trouble in the end, than it was 
> worth. I found I was spending more time working ON my computer than working 
> WITH it. 
> 
> Find a Mac you can afford on that list above move on.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 10:46 AM, PaulBX  wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately I haven't used this group for some time, but have still been 
>> getting emails from it. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In 2012 I bought a Blueberry iMac G3 (1999) and not long after that I got a 
>> Mac Pro G4 "Quicksilver" Mac free of charge from Freecycle. My motive for 
>> getting both of these Macs was to find out more about the Mac in general, 
>> especially as I was doing some free music recording sessions in a studio 
>> where the sound engineer/producer was using Logic Pro 9. I think the Mac in 
>> the studio was a desktop Mac Pro with an Intel Xeon CPU, but whatever model 
>> it was it had a silver mesh case. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Unfortunately what I found out was that these Macs had virtually nothing in 
>> common with the Mac in the studio and wouldn't even run Safari! I no longer 
>> own either of these Macs.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> After this experience I decided to create a Hackintosh laptop, by installing 
>> hacked versions of macOS from the website Hackintosh Zone. Unfortunately the 
>> two or three times I did this it was with limited success. There were 
>> problems with the graphics and one installation refused to boot up without 
>> the USB installer being plugged in. Each time I was only able to use the 
>> Hackintosh for a few weeks. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Eventually I decided to buy a new/old MacBook, which could run the latest 
>> macOS Big Sur. I now own a MacBook Air 13 inch (early 2014). I don't think 
>> this group is suitable for someone who owns this type of Mac so I am looking 
>> for another group which would support it. My MacBook Air has 4Gb of RAM and 
>> I’ve started getting reports that my memory is low, so I should close some 
>> apps. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> One idea of mine is to buy whichever old MacBook Air or MacBook Pro I can 
>> afford, which has at least 8Gb RAM fitted, then install a patched version of 
>> macOS Big Sur. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have looked on the website lowendmac.com as well as on Google Groups to 
>> try and find another group which would be more suitable for me in my current 
>> situation, but I can't see a list of groups on lowendmac.com and as for 
>> Google groups all I can say is groups that I am a member of or have read 
>> using Google Chrome. I can't bring up an index listing lots of groups.
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: Which Mac group?

[Bruce Johnson]

Honestly this is the last LowEndMac Google group running, afaik. I haven’t 
gotten any  post from any of the others in a long time.

The list of Macs that run Big Sur is pretty straight forward 
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211238 and it does go back quite a way; The 
machine I’m writing this on is a 2014 MBA with 4 MB of ram, running Big Sur. 
That said it’s not my main system; I haven’t used it as such for a while. But 
with 4GB you’ve always had to balance how many apps you’re running with what 
you’re doing. This works well as email/web browsing/text editing/photos system.

Honestly I’ve been down the  same Hackintosh and ‘hacked OS’ macs path and it’s 
been more trouble in the end, than it was
worth. I found I was spending more time working ON my computer than working 
WITH it.

Find a Mac you can afford on that list above move on.


On Mar 29, 2021, at 10:46 AM, PaulBX 
mailto:paul.londo...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Unfortunately I haven't used this group for some time, but have still been 
getting emails from it.


In 2012 I bought a Blueberry iMac G3 (1999) and not long after that I got a Mac 
Pro G4 "Quicksilver" Mac free of charge from Freecycle. My motive for getting 
both of these Macs was to find out more about the Mac in general, especially as 
I was doing some free music recording sessions in a studio where the sound 
engineer/producer was using Logic Pro 9. I think the Mac in the studio was a 
desktop Mac Pro with an Intel Xeon CPU, but whatever model it was it had a 
silver mesh case.


Unfortunately what I found out was that these Macs had virtually nothing in 
common with the Mac in the studio and wouldn't even run Safari! I no longer own 
either of these Macs.


After this experience I decided to create a Hackintosh laptop, by installing 
hacked versions of macOS from the website Hackintosh Zone. Unfortunately the 
two or three times I did this it was with limited success. There were problems 
with the graphics and one installation refused to boot up without the USB 
installer being plugged in. Each time I was only able to use the Hackintosh for 
a few weeks.


Eventually I decided to buy a new/old MacBook, which could run the latest macOS 
Big Sur. I now own a MacBook Air 13 inch (early 2014). I don't think this group 
is suitable for someone who owns this type of Mac so I am looking for another 
group which would support it. My MacBook Air has 4Gb of RAM and I’ve started 
getting reports that my memory is low, so I should close some apps.


One idea of mine is to buy whichever old MacBook Air or MacBook Pro I can 
afford, which has at least 8Gb RAM fitted, then install a patched version of 
macOS Big Sur.


I have looked on the website lowendmac.com as well as on 
Google Groups to try and find another group which would be more suitable for me 
in my current situation, but I can't see a list of groups on 
lowendmac.com and as for Google groups all I can say is 
groups that I am a member of or have read using Google Chrome. I can't bring up 
an index listing lots of groups.



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Which Mac group?

[PaulBX]

 

Unfortunately I haven't used this group for some time, but have still been 
getting emails from it. 


In 2012 I bought a Blueberry iMac G3 (1999) and not long after that I got a 
Mac Pro G4 "Quicksilver" Mac free of charge from Freecycle. My motive for 
getting both of these Macs was to find out more about the Mac in general, 
especially as I was doing some free music recording sessions in a studio 
where the sound engineer/producer was using Logic Pro 9. I think the Mac in 
the studio was a desktop Mac Pro with an Intel Xeon CPU, but whatever model 
it was it had a silver mesh case. 


Unfortunately what I found out was that these Macs had virtually nothing in 
common with the Mac in the studio and wouldn't even run Safari! I no longer 
own either of these Macs.


After this experience I decided to create a Hackintosh laptop, by 
installing hacked versions of macOS from the website Hackintosh Zone. 
Unfortunately the two or three times I did this it was with limited 
success. There were problems with the graphics and one installation refused 
to boot up without the USB installer being plugged in. Each time I was only 
able to use the Hackintosh for a few weeks. 


Eventually I decided to buy a new/old MacBook, which could run the latest 
macOS Big Sur. I now own a MacBook Air 13 inch (early 2014). I don't think 
this group is suitable for someone who owns this type of Mac so I am 
looking for another group which would support it. My MacBook Air has 4Gb of 
RAM and I’ve started getting reports that my memory is low, so I should 
close some apps. 


One idea of mine is to buy whichever old MacBook Air or MacBook Pro I can 
afford, which has at least 8Gb RAM fitted, then install a patched version 
of macOS Big Sur. 


I have looked on the website lowendmac.com as well as on Google Groups to 
try and find another group which would be more suitable for me in my 
current situation, but I can't see a list of groups on lowendmac.com and as 
for Google groups all I can say is groups that I am a member of or have 
read using Google Chrome. I can't bring up an index listing lots of groups.


Can someone please tell me about another Mac group I can join?








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