Tuxedo and reliability (Re: New kde.org/hardware webpage)
Le 2020-01-25 à 02:47, Alexander Neundorf a écrit : On Donnerstag, 23. Januar 2020 15:42:15 CET Niccolò Venerandi wrote: Hi! I'm working on adding a kde.org/hardware webpage. You can see screenshot here: https://phabricator.kde.org/D26711. What do you think? ~Niccolò Venerandi Regarding Tuxedo: I bought one 5 years ago or so, and it is a good machine. But "They provide you with self-programmed driver packages, support, installation scripts and everything around our hardware, so that every hardware component really works. " At least back then, this was not the case, no custom drivers, the fingerprint scanner on the laptop does not work. Did it work on (say) Microsoft Windows? In any case, this claim comes straight from Tuxedo's website. And maybe "They provide custom" instead of "They provide you with self- programmed" ? I was going to write the same, but refrained, because in fact this brings more questions than it answers: 1. Who has verified vendor claims before copying them? The one quoted by Alexander hasn't even been adapted to our viewpoint. 2. What comes on these PC-s? Vendor-specific GNU/Linux distributions? 3. Do we have a process to prevent this page from going outdated? At least items #1, #3 and #5 are presented in a highly time-sensitive way. Without frequent review, this will quickly reflect poorly not just on KDE, but on vendors. And how do you plan to integrate that page in kde.org? Alex -- Philippe Cloutier http://www.philippecloutier.com
Re: New kde.org/hardware webpage
On jueves, 23 de enero de 2020 15:52:30 (CET) Jens wrote: > Nice! > > One suggestion is emailing the different companies about this webpage and > ask them if they have preferred photos with [RESOLUTION NxN] that they want > to provide. I mean if they are happy with the image they'll say as much > (hopefully) if not: Free Imagery for our webpage! > > And it would also in a sort of gracious way say "oh we have links to your > hardware here hint hint" :) > > /Jens This is an excellent suggestion and may lead to getting a link back in the process. Cheers Paul -- Promotion & Communication www: http://kde.org Mastodon: https://mastodon.technology/@kde Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kde/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kdecommunity LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kde
Re: Tuxedo and reliability (Re: New kde.org/hardware webpage)
On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 3:11 PM Philippe Cloutier wrote: > I was going to write the same, but refrained, because in fact this brings > more questions than it answers: > > Who has verified vendor claims before copying them? The one quoted by > Alexander hasn't even been adapted to our viewpoint. > What comes on these PC-s? Vendor-specific GNU/Linux distributions? > Do we have a process to prevent this page from going outdated? At least items > #1, #3 and #5 are presented in a highly time-sensitive way. Without frequent > review, this will quickly reflect poorly not just on KDE, but on vendors. > > And how do you plan to integrate that page in kde.org? > Well the overriding question here is how do we position the content. Is this hardware endorsed by KDE or is this a shout out to these companies that ship things on which you should be able to run KDE happily without hassle. I think the first approach is doomed to obsolescence and misinterpretation of what "endorsed" means in terms of day to day issues. E.g.: all well and good to have a laptop with high end graphics, but these days that typically means Nvidia which is right pain in the neck and unlikely to hit the "just works" sweet spot. On the other hand, Nate is right: closing the loop matters. For that matter, it's not just newbies who would benefit: I can see myself browsing that page when buying new hardware. :) So I would personally prefer this page being rewritten as a series of "shout outs" to companies who are doing good or at least better than average, highlighting why we think they are a good outfit to do business with but ignoring their pet product of the quarter entirely. Also, if this is going to be a kde.org page then maybe we want to cut out the textual smilies :) Regards, - Johan
Re: New kde.org/hardware webpage
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Niccolò Venerandi wrote: > > Hi! > I'm working on adding a kde.org/hardware webpage. You can see screenshot > here: https://phabricator.kde.org/D26711. What do you think? > ~Niccolò Venerandi I think that there may be two different product categories: - Hackable/evaluation/hobbyist hardware - General purpose hardware "product" Do we want to highlight this? I.e. point people to something like PinePhone dev kits if they become available with Plasma Mobile in mind? Also I think that the Pinebook is right on the dividing line between the two categories as it were: depending on your perspective it is either a product or your a cheap dev kit to hack on Pine hardware. Regards, -Johan
