[lace-chat] I completely forgot to tell you all about my wedding!!

[Weronika Patena]

I just remembered that I don't think I've written on arachne about anything 
that's been going on in
my life for the last few months...  Which is quite a lot!

I one week, middle of June, I graduated, got married, and moved to the Bay Area.

Some of you may know I was actually already married for a year - the way that 
worked is that we
quietly got legally married in the City Hall last year, for practical purposes, 
but this year we
had a big ceremony and reception with guests and such.  One of the reasons for 
that was to get
graduation and the wedding in the same week so my parents could visit and see 
both, which they did.
They've never been in the US before, since the trip from Poland is expensive, 
so it was nice that
they could finally come.

The wedding went very well, sometime soon I'll put info about in in my journal
(http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika/,
click on JOURNAL) - I'm still behind on that.  But there are pictures
(http://vole.stanford.edu/images/wedding/).
It was all in a botanic garden, very pretty, and we designed the ceremony 
ourselves (neither of us
is religious, and legally we were already married anyway, so we could do 
whatever we wanted).  I did
wear a dress, which is a rare thing... 

I didn't manage to make any lace to wear for the wedding, but Tamara made me a 
beautiful Milanese
bracelet!  Pictures of that in my lace journal (same webpage, click on the 
Journal link under LACE).
Thank you, Tamara!!

Soon after that, me and Geoffrey moved into Stanford couples housing, so now 
I'm permanently in the
Bay Area, can go to Cathy's Lace Museum classes every week, and all sorts of 
good things.

I did not get into grad school, which I'm actually pretty happy about - now I 
get to relax and make
lace for a few months, and I'll look for a job after the summer.

Life is good.

Weronika


-- 
Weronika Patena
Stanford, CA, USA
http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika

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[lace-chat] Fw: The Blonde Year in Review

[Lynn Weasenforth]

DH is at it again, I am glad I am not a blonde, well sometimes from a
bottle

Lynn
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Subject: The Blonde Year in Review



  The Blonde Year in Review

  January - Took her new scarf back to the store because it was too
tight.

  February - Couldn't work in a pharmacy because the bottles wouldn't fit
into the typewriter.

  March - Got excited when she finished a jigsaw puzzle in 6 months
because the box said "2-4 years."

  April - Was trapped on an escalator for hours when the power went out.

  May - Couldn't make Kool-Aid because 8 cups of water won't fit into
those little packets.

  June - Couldn't learn to water ski because she couldn't find a lake with
a slope.

  July - After losing in a breaststroke swimming competition, complained
to the judges that the other swimmers were using their arms.

  August - Told her blonde friend to hurry when trying to get into their
locked car using a coat hanger because it was starting to rain and the top was
down.

  September - When asked what the capital of California was: answered
"C."

  October - Decided she hates M &M's because they are so hard to peel and
there were too many W's in the bag.

  November - Baked Thanksgiving turkey for 4 days because the instructions
said 1 hour per pound and she weighed 120.

  December - House burned down. Couldn't call 911 because there was no
"11" on any phone button.

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[lace-chat] English grammar book

[Jean Leader]

We've just got the following from our DS - he's moved to Italy and is 
working hard at his Italian.



Can you recomend a technical book on English grammar? Modern, logical,
with examples. As they never taught it to us at school, I am going to
have to learn now, as it is too hard trying to talk about Italian
grammar when I don't know it in English.


Any suggestions gratefully received.

Jean in Glasgow, Scotland where today has been pleasantly warm and sunny

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[lace-chat] towel heaters

[Lynn Carpenter]

susan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>i saw a photo of one [that is, a towel heater] used in a hotel in the u.k.
and i thought that was
>the silliest thing anyone would ever need.  i lived in detroit michigan
>and it didn't make sense why you would need a heater to warm or dry
>your towels.

What a difference the width of the state makes!  I live along the west side
of Michigan, close to "the" lake (Lake Michigan) and I completely
understand why you might need a heater to dry your towels.  Very often in
the spring, summer, & fall, we have such damp air, towels won't dry hanging
outdoors on the line in the sun, let alone hanging indoors in a small
bathroom with no exhaust fan.

Thank goodness for the humidity-reducing power of air conditioning, heated
clothes dryers, and the germ-killing power of Oxiclean and chlorine bleach.
 There is nothing like a damp and stinky dishcloth to make you appreciate
such things.

Then again, in the winter, humidity, what humidity?  At 20 degrees F, doors
that were swollen and sticking are cracking up the middle.

A state of contrasts.  Michigan is a place where you drive to the top of a
tall sand hill covered with dune grasses, and there you find:  a swamp full
of mosquitoes.

And I still wonder why that water doesn't drain down into the sand!

Lynn Carpenter in SW Michigan, USA
alwen at i2k dot com

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Re: [lace-chat] PS - re: mold

[Ruth]

Susan, that's not necessarily true, either. I lived through the F5 
tornadoes that devastated the Oklahoma City area in 1999 and NOTHING in 
the path of that storm stood a chance. There were steel framed buildings 
torn apart like tinker toys. In tornadoes, the only safe place to be is 
underground - period. The big thing after those storm was putting a 
"safe room" in the house. It was basically a concrete closet. I, 
personally, after seeing that devastation, don't put much faith in 
those, either.


But a mobile home is one of the most dangerous places to be in any kind 
of a wind storm. I've lived in them many times in the past and they're 
just not stable in high winds.


susan wrote:


now i'll be obsessing over wanting a stone home!  at least it would be
low maintenance and weather resistant.  how many stone homes get
knocked down in a tornadoe?  not nearly as many as wood or tin mobile. 
even a bad storm is more than a mobile home can stand.
 


--
Ruth
Omnia vincit Amor; 
et nos cedamus Amori. ~ Virgil


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Re: [lace-chat] cluny towels

[Ruth]

This past January, my husband and I were looking to buy a home. He's in 
the military and we were scheduled to move in about a month so we tried 
to sneak in early.


We saw one house that should have been labled as a house of horrors!! 
There was literally mold growing on every surface in the place!! 
Including on the formica countertops in the kitchen!! and the fireplace, 
the sink, the stove, well, you get the idea!! Unfortunately both DH and 
I are allergic to mold so we spent the rest of the day fighting off 
terrible headaches from it. And that was after exiting the house as 
quickly as possible. There was no mention of even a "slight" mold 
problem on the listing. YUCK!!


I also know that in Oklahoma before we moved, there were numerous 
reports on the news about a VERY toxic form of black mold that was 
spreading rapidly through the Oklahoma City area. In some cases it was 
so bad that houses had to be torn down and treated as a hazardous 
chemical area!!


susan wrote:


that is really bad that it killed his dog.  6 million dollars in
damages had to have been pretty bad.  i saw on the tv the mold was
getting inside the insulation and then in the heating ducts and it
would spread all through the  house.  i don't know if that is the same
type of mold, but the people working with it had to wear mask over
their face to keep the fumes out.

 



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Ruth
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et nos cedamus Amori. ~ Virgil


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Re: [lace-chat] PS - re: mold

[susan]

now i'll be obsessing over wanting a stone home!  at least it would be
low maintenance and weather resistant.  how many stone homes get
knocked down in a tornadoe?  not nearly as many as wood or tin mobile. 
even a bad storm is more than a mobile home can stand.

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi all -- you all have really got me on a roll! 
> 
> I should probably have mentioned, there is not much evidence to
> support the 
> claims of certain manufacturers that their products, like sealants,
> or 
> mold-inhibitors, are very effective. If the conditions are right,
> mold will grow, even 
> if these products are used, so it's pretty much a waste of money.
> 
> Mold can infest a home and make it unliveable -- or rather, at least
> it has 
> happened that people have moved out of their homes and even ended up 
> demolishing them, because of mold infestation. Sometimes the problem
> is just impossible 
> to eradicate, under the conditions that exist, because it is so
> widespread.
> 
> Mold wasn't such a big problem when houses were made of stone,
> because mold 
> doesn't infest stone. Modern building materials are more prone to
> mold 
> infestation.
> 
> Many times people don't realize there is mold growing because it is
> in areas 
> that are out of sight -- like in attics or basements, under sinks. It
> likes 
> the dark, dank areas where we don't like to go! By the time it is
> discovered, it 
> has become a big problem that it makes itself known. 
> 
> The reason that such a large area around the visible mold is removed
> is 
> because the spores always spread into the surrounding area. The
> spores are 
> invisible to the eye, they are so tiny. 
> 
> And yes, "black mold" is considered to be the most toxic form. But
> there are 
> others that can make people (and other animals) sick. 
> 
> Cleaning the surface is not enough, because they actually grow into
> the 
> substance they are growing on.
> 
> If it's in wood, the wood has to be removed, if it is going to be
> eradicated.
> 
> But if it can be thoroughly dried out, it will die off, although the
> spores 
> remain, waiting to grow back if the conditions are right.
> 
> Ricki T
> Utah USA
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RE: [lace-chat] cluny towels

[susan]

we thought adding our last names or our cities would give away where we
live to crazies.  they could look us up in the phone book if they
wanted.  most of the list did not mind and think it is a little
paranoid, but i think it would be danerous.  also another lace member
did the same as me and forgot to take the last name out, and didn't
know each email added it on automatically. so, i was just asking out of
curiosity.

--- Carolyn Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Susan,
> 
> Sorry, I'm not aware of any reason not to put my last name in my
> emails,
> I've always done it.  And for some years now, since the request was
> first
> made on Arachne, I've always added where I'm from in the signature
> line.  So
> I guess I would say yes, I did put my last name in intentionally.
> 
> But I don't think I really understand your question.  I think I must
> have
> missed the discussion that you mentioned about leaving out our last
> names.
> What was that about?
> 
> Regards,
> Carolyn
> 
> Carolyn Hastings
> Stow, MA USA 
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of susan
> > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 2:15 AM
> > To: lace-chat@arachne.com
> > Subject: RE: [lace-chat] cluny towels
> > 
> > 
> > first of all ,like what we were just talking about for the 
> > emails where we accidentally forgot to take off our last 
> > name,  i just wanted to ask if you left yours there on purpose.  
> > 
> > but i think you are right about the trees causing the 
> > dampness because the back yard of where i lived had about 100 
> > acres of nothing but trees.  there are about 7 tall trees on 
> > one half acre in the front where the yard is, and about a 
> > half acre back is where the other 100 acres start.  it is 
> > owned by people all around the county, so it isn't my 
> > property.  i have heard the mold that is so deadly is the 
> > black mold.  it is hard to get that out of your lungs, and 
> > the smell of any of it will make you sick if it strong.  
> > 
> > --- Carolyn Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > For what it's worth, I grew up in coastal Virginia and we never 
> > > experienced dry rot or any kind of rot of towels, and our house
> was 
> > > brick and we didn't
> > > wash down the walls and we didn't grow mold on them either.  Or
> > > anywhere
> > > else, either.  My mother would never have stood for that.
> > > 
> > > Norfolk is hot and humid most of the year, too, by anyone's 
> > standards.  
> > > So my opinion is that the houses Susan is talking about have some
> 
> > > other problems, such as lack of circulation around the house.
> > > 
> > > Up here in New England which is supposed to be a lot drier than
> my 
> > > part of Virginia, we moved into a house (wood) and there was
> mildew 
> > > behind doors and
> > > other places.  But it was also surrounded by huge pine 
> > trees.  We cut
> > > down
> > > most of them so my husband could farm the land, and the mold
> > > disappeared.
> > > We also got air circulation and sunshine.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Carolyn
> > > 
> > > Carolyn W. Hastings
> > > Stow, MA USA
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Susan wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >  > > >  it always feels damp and you have to make sure you wash the 
> > > > walls down regularly or there will be mold in every corner of 
> > > > the room or growing behind the dressers and bedheads.  wood 
> > > > homes are not much better!  >
> > > 
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> > 
> > from susan in tennessee,u.s.a.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [lace-chat] UK weather and Unfit houses

[susan]

i wonder if being closer to china,who has been accused of making no
regulations to protect its environment, is the reason why you are
having so many changes in your weather for green house effect.  if you
can grow bananas and oranges now, there must be something wrong.  we
have to pull stuff like that in for the winter in tennessee, but in
lower southern states they grow naturally.  

you are so close to the severe winter weather in the north, so its
strange to me, although it probably has been normal of england, that
england wouldn't be damp and cold most of the year.  the weather comes
in waves, and it depends on which wave is running upward in which
country to decide what kind of weather you have.  it is not by if you
are more north and closer to the icecap. i am sure anything near the
icecap is froze, but countries near it still have seasonal changes. 

--- Jean Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Susan wrote:
>  celcius.  i watched a special on an area in england where it rained
> half the year.  i would love the rain, if it did rain that much, but
> the dampness would kill me.  it is good to know you have some nice
> sunny days. >
> 
> The UK was always said to have a "temperate climate" - warm in
> summer, cold
> in winter. It's changing - summers are tending to become very hot and
> winters not very cold, but wet and windy. We've had a couple of
> tornadoes
> this year - something we've only had rarely in the past. We can now
> grow
> bananas, and banana trees over 10 feet tall will survive winter in
> the south
> if wrapped in gardening fleece. We can also grow orange trees, but
> the
> oranges are bitter. Grapes are now grown and the England has a
> thriving wine
> making industry. We're always gettuing warnings in the summer of the
> UV
> index - how strong the sun is - and warned to apply factor 15 and
> above sun
> screen to exposed skin. Warm weather usually lasts from the end of
> April to
> at least the end of September.
> 
> 
> 
> Planning laws are very strict. Any new house that's built has to have
> a
> certificate issued to say that it's fit for habitation. That means
> that it
> must be dry, nothing toxic in the construction, clean, drinkable
> water
> supply, safe electric and gas supply, good sewage disposal,
> sufficient
> ventilation to all rooms, adequate escape routes in case of fire,
> etc. All 
> new building are inspected at various stages of their construction to
> make 
> sure they are sticking to the building regulations. If you want to
> put a 
> room in the roof space in an existing house, there must be an 
> adequately-sized opening window to allow escape in addition to the
> stairs.
> 
> A home with mould will be a health hazard, so it would have to be
> fixed.
> Often it's just a case of inadequate air circulation or condensation.
> Increasing the ventilation, lining thewalls inside with polystyrene
> under
> wallpaper or filling the cavity with foam could cure that. Houses
> used to be
> able to have solid walls, and they could become porous. Coating the
> wall
> with an iunvisible silicone wash could cure that.
> 
> Houses now might have a timber frame inside, a gap filled with
> insulation
> and then brick or block on the outside. I haven't seen any being
> built like
> that lately, but that could juist be Poole council planning
> regulations. Or
> they could be a cavity wall - two 4 inch (I think) brick or block or
> one
> brick and one block walls with a gap of about 4 inches between.
> 
> The insulation is being encouraged be the government to cut down on
> greenhouse gases, so we don't use as much fuel for heating and add to
> global
> warming.
> 
> Jean in Poole, (on the south coast of England)
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[lace-chat] More on mold

[RicTorr8]

Hi all,

Maybe I should mention too that modern building techniques contribute to 
mold. For instance, many times builders will leave the wood for their building 
outside during construction, where it gets wet -- then it never gets a chance 
to 
dry out during the construction, and the moisture is incorporated into the 
building, inside the walls, from day one. Then they put the drywall (hah!) 
around 
it, giving the mold spores a nice supply of moisture, dark and cellulose to 
feed on inside the walls.

Another thing they do is pour concrete, and not let it dry completely before 
they build on top of it. The moisture is trapped inside the building from the 
beginning.

Okay -- I'm going to try to "shut up" now. Don't know why this gets me going 
like this-- but just in case any of you ever are going to buy a home, or find 
mold in your home or office-- it's helpful to realize the significance of it, 
and don't let it slide, or be minimized by a real estate agent, seller or 
employer. Make sure the dark places are investigated, and if you smell mold, 
it's 
there somewhere, and it's best to find it -- the sooner the better.

It was an eyeopener to me to learn about all of this. Hope it helpsOkay - 
I'm gonna shut up now. 

Ricki T
Utah USA

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[lace-chat] Re: Mould in buildings

[RicTorr8]

In a message dated 7/22/2005 9:29:20 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> I thought I should chime in here.  Mould is a serious problem in buildings 
> built without proper ventilation.  I work in a Witdrawal Management Centre 
> and currently we are closed because of mould in the building.  A licensed 
> Mould Remediation Company is presently removing the mould, and yes, the 
> workers have to wear "space suits" with ventilators.  The affected rooms are 
> 
> closed off with 3 layers of plastic and the walls are being stripped to the 
> studs.  Then everything is disinfected and tested again for mould spores. 
> The mould was far more widespread than was thought at first and the work is 
> already behind schedule.  The building will be closed to residents for at 
> least 2 months.  A few rooms were not affected and staff are working on a 
> reduced schedule.  Some staff were experiencing minor health problems, 
> mostly respiratory illnesses and we now believe it's due to the mould.
> The building was built in the mid 80s with sealed windows and without an air 
> 
> exchanger.  The fact that the bathroom fans were of inferior quality and 
> stopped working after the first few years added to the moisture.  All 
> bathrooms and all but one washroom were affected.  It's a good thing there 
> is one washroom to use else the staff would have been laid off for the 
> duration of the work.
> The one benefit of all this work is that we'll finally have proper air 
> exchange and windows that open making it a much healthier place to work.
> It's not the moisture that's the problem but the lack of ventilation which 
> leads to the moisture building up and getting absorbed by the building 
> materials, leading to a perfect climate for mould to grow.
> 


Wow - that sounds exactly like what I've learned about...
I found a good website if people might be interested. Looking it over 
reminded me - mold can grow in drywall -- which is in almost every building 
these 
days. It grows in the dark between the wall surfaces, and can grow into the 
studs, too. Sometimes the walls and the studs have to be torn out and replaced.

Anyway, here's that website, which I notice says bleach should NOT be used to 
treat mold infestations...

http://www.moldacrossamerica.org/technicallib.htm

Ricki T
Utah USA

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[lace-chat] Mould in buildings

[Johanna Brown]

I thought I should chime in here.  Mould is a serious problem in buildings 
built without proper ventilation.  I work in a Witdrawal Management Centre 
and currently we are closed because of mould in the building.  A licensed 
Mould Remediation Company is presently removing the mould, and yes, the 
workers have to wear "space suits" with ventilators.  The affected rooms are 
closed off with 3 layers of plastic and the walls are being stripped to the 
studs.  Then everything is disinfected and tested again for mould spores. 
The mould was far more widespread than was thought at first and the work is 
already behind schedule.  The building will be closed to residents for at 
least 2 months.  A few rooms were not affected and staff are working on a 
reduced schedule.  Some staff were experiencing minor health problems, 
mostly respiratory illnesses and we now believe it's due to the mould.
The building was built in the mid 80s with sealed windows and without an air 
exchanger.  The fact that the bathroom fans were of inferior quality and 
stopped working after the first few years added to the moisture.  All 
bathrooms and all but one washroom were affected.  It's a good thing there 
is one washroom to use else the staff would have been laid off for the 
duration of the work.
The one benefit of all this work is that we'll finally have proper air 
exchange and windows that open making it a much healthier place to work.
It's not the moisture that's the problem but the lack of ventilation which 
leads to the moisture building up and getting absorbed by the building 
materials, leading to a perfect climate for mould to grow.


Johanna,

In HOT and HUMID Ontario


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In a message dated 7/22/2005 1:49:40 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





Planning laws are very strict. Any new house that's built has to have a
certificate issued to say that it's fit for habitation. That means that 
it

must be dry, nothing toxic in the construction, clean, drinkable water
supply, safe electric and gas supply, good sewage disposal, sufficient
ventilation to all rooms, adequate escape routes in case of fire, etc. 
All
new building are inspected at various stages of their construction to 
make

sure they are sticking to the building regulations. If you want to put a
room in the roof space in an existing house, there must be an
adequately-sized opening window to allow escape in addition to the 
stairs.


A home with mould will be a health hazard, so it would have to be fixed.
Often it's just a case of inadequate air circulation or condensation.
Increasing the ventilation, lining thewalls inside with polystyrene under
wallpaper or filling the cavity with foam could cure that. Houses used to 
be

able to have solid walls, and they could become porous. Coating the wall
with an iunvisible silicone wash could cure that.

Houses now might have a timber frame inside, a gap filled with insulation
and then brick or block on the outside. I haven't seen any being built 
like
that lately, but that could juist be Poole council planning regulations. 
Or

they could be a cavity wall - two 4 inch (I think) brick or block or one
brick and one block walls with a gap of about 4 inches between.




Mold can grow in insulation, too, if it's in an area where there is no
ventilation or circulation that allows it to dry out. That's the real 
problem -- 
dampness that never dries out. Mold can grow on practically anything.


I have seen several cases about homeowners' insurance claims, especially 
in

Texas (but also elsewhere) where mold has been found growing in attic
insulation. The insurers blamed the homeowners for not maintaining 
adequate

ventilation.

We even saw slides of mold growing on metal pipes in a factory warehouse-- 
actually it was growing in the paint on the pipes. The owners got some 
workmen
up there to clean it with bleach. They showed before and after pictures --  
it
looked clean after they cleaned it with bleach. But it came back, within a 
few

months. It looked just like before. The mold can't be killed that easily.
Infested paint, wood, etc. generally has to be removed, if you really want 
to get

rid of the problem and make sure it won't come back.

It's true that if things dry out thoroughly, it will die off, but the 
spores

are still there, waiting to grow back if it gets damp again.

Beware of the mold!

Ricki T
Utah, USA

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[lace-chat] PS - re: mold

[RicTorr8]

Hi all -- you all have really got me on a roll! 

I should probably have mentioned, there is not much evidence to support the 
claims of certain manufacturers that their products, like sealants, or 
mold-inhibitors, are very effective. If the conditions are right, mold will 
grow, even 
if these products are used, so it's pretty much a waste of money.

Mold can infest a home and make it unliveable -- or rather, at least it has 
happened that people have moved out of their homes and even ended up 
demolishing them, because of mold infestation. Sometimes the problem is just 
impossible 
to eradicate, under the conditions that exist, because it is so widespread.

Mold wasn't such a big problem when houses were made of stone, because mold 
doesn't infest stone. Modern building materials are more prone to mold 
infestation.

Many times people don't realize there is mold growing because it is in areas 
that are out of sight -- like in attics or basements, under sinks. It likes 
the dark, dank areas where we don't like to go! By the time it is discovered, 
it 
has become a big problem that it makes itself known. 

The reason that such a large area around the visible mold is removed is 
because the spores always spread into the surrounding area. The spores are 
invisible to the eye, they are so tiny. 

And yes, "black mold" is considered to be the most toxic form. But there are 
others that can make people (and other animals) sick. 

Cleaning the surface is not enough, because they actually grow into the 
substance they are growing on.

If it's in wood, the wood has to be removed, if it is going to be eradicated.

But if it can be thoroughly dried out, it will die off, although the spores 
remain, waiting to grow back if the conditions are right.

Ricki T
Utah USA

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Re: [lace-chat] UK weather and Unfit houses

[RicTorr8]

In a message dated 7/22/2005 1:49:40 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> 
> 
> 
> Planning laws are very strict. Any new house that's built has to have a
> certificate issued to say that it's fit for habitation. That means that it
> must be dry, nothing toxic in the construction, clean, drinkable water
> supply, safe electric and gas supply, good sewage disposal, sufficient
> ventilation to all rooms, adequate escape routes in case of fire, etc. All 
> new building are inspected at various stages of their construction to make 
> sure they are sticking to the building regulations. If you want to put a 
> room in the roof space in an existing house, there must be an 
> adequately-sized opening window to allow escape in addition to the stairs.
> 
> A home with mould will be a health hazard, so it would have to be fixed.
> Often it's just a case of inadequate air circulation or condensation.
> Increasing the ventilation, lining thewalls inside with polystyrene under
> wallpaper or filling the cavity with foam could cure that. Houses used to be
> able to have solid walls, and they could become porous. Coating the wall
> with an iunvisible silicone wash could cure that.
> 
> Houses now might have a timber frame inside, a gap filled with insulation
> and then brick or block on the outside. I haven't seen any being built like
> that lately, but that could juist be Poole council planning regulations. Or
> they could be a cavity wall - two 4 inch (I think) brick or block or one
> brick and one block walls with a gap of about 4 inches between.
> 


Mold can grow in insulation, too, if it's in an area where there is no 
ventilation or circulation that allows it to dry out. That's the real problem 
-- 
dampness that never dries out. Mold can grow on practically anything. 

I have seen several cases about homeowners' insurance claims, especially in 
Texas (but also elsewhere) where mold has been found growing in attic 
insulation. The insurers blamed the homeowners for not maintaining adequate 
ventilation.

We even saw slides of mold growing on metal pipes in a factory warehouse-- 
actually it was growing in the paint on the pipes. The owners got some workmen 
up there to clean it with bleach. They showed before and after pictures -- it 
looked clean after they cleaned it with bleach. But it came back, within a few 
months. It looked just like before. The mold can't be killed that easily. 
Infested paint, wood, etc. generally has to be removed, if you really want to 
get 
rid of the problem and make sure it won't come back. 

It's true that if things dry out thoroughly, it will die off, but the spores 
are still there, waiting to grow back if it gets damp again.

Beware of the mold! 

Ricki T
Utah, USA

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Re: [lace-chat] cluny towels

[RicTorr8]

In a message dated 7/22/2005 12:21:17 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> that is really bad that it killed his dog.  6 million dollars in
> damages had to have been pretty bad.  i saw on the tv the mold was
> getting inside the insulation and then in the heating ducts and it
> would spread all through the  house.  i don't know if that is the same
> type of mold, but the people working with it had to wear mask over
> their face to keep the fumes out.


Yes - that's true. I took a seminar on mold remediation - the guys doing it 
wear those "space suits" and the area is surrounded with plastic to try to keep 
the mold spores from spreading. Mold can live off any kind of cellulose - it 
can grow in wood (like the structural frame of the house), in the paint on the 
walls, or even in wallpaper paste, beneath the wallpaper. 

A lot of problems have come from that modified fake stucco that is so popular 
-- it traps water beneath the surface, where it can't evaporate, and then 
mold takes over and grows in between the outside surface and the inner wall. 
There are some product liability class action suits against the manufacturers 
of 
that fake stucco.

Some of the pictures of mold infestation make you sick just to see them! If I 
see one again, I'll send a linkThen you'll count your lucky stars you 
don't have mold like that!

Mold spores are everywhere, but once they take hold in an area it is 
difficult to remove. The remediation experts cut away an area about a yard 
wider than 
the visible mold, even if it means removing structural parts of the house. But 
the earlier it's removed, before it really has a chance to spread and thrive, 
the better.

Watch out for mold!

Ricki T
Utah

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[lace-chat] Towel Rails - Heated

[Maxine D]

In New Zealand heated towel rails are fairly common.  We have one in the
house we own, and I love it... especially in the winter on a frosty
morning...(tomorrow is forecast to be a -2 degrees C frost!!). I also like
it as it stops the towels going "sour" during the winter.

This winter we have invested in a portable dehumidifier, and that is keeping
the house lots drier, and sweeter smelling... it had started to get musty
smelling with both DH and I out working and no windows open.

Maxine in Chilly N.Z.

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[lace-chat] UK weather and Unfit houses

[Jean Nathan]

Susan wrote:


The UK was always said to have a "temperate climate" - warm in summer, cold
in winter. It's changing - summers are tending to become very hot and
winters not very cold, but wet and windy. We've had a couple of tornadoes
this year - something we've only had rarely in the past. We can now grow
bananas, and banana trees over 10 feet tall will survive winter in the south
if wrapped in gardening fleece. We can also grow orange trees, but the
oranges are bitter. Grapes are now grown and the England has a thriving wine
making industry. We're always gettuing warnings in the summer of the UV
index - how strong the sun is - and warned to apply factor 15 and above sun
screen to exposed skin. Warm weather usually lasts from the end of April to
at least the end of September.



Planning laws are very strict. Any new house that's built has to have a
certificate issued to say that it's fit for habitation. That means that it
must be dry, nothing toxic in the construction, clean, drinkable water
supply, safe electric and gas supply, good sewage disposal, sufficient
ventilation to all rooms, adequate escape routes in case of fire, etc. All 
new building are inspected at various stages of their construction to make 
sure they are sticking to the building regulations. If you want to put a 
room in the roof space in an existing house, there must be an 
adequately-sized opening window to allow escape in addition to the stairs.


A home with mould will be a health hazard, so it would have to be fixed.
Often it's just a case of inadequate air circulation or condensation.
Increasing the ventilation, lining thewalls inside with polystyrene under
wallpaper or filling the cavity with foam could cure that. Houses used to be
able to have solid walls, and they could become porous. Coating the wall
with an iunvisible silicone wash could cure that.

Houses now might have a timber frame inside, a gap filled with insulation
and then brick or block on the outside. I haven't seen any being built like
that lately, but that could juist be Poole council planning regulations. Or
they could be a cavity wall - two 4 inch (I think) brick or block or one
brick and one block walls with a gap of about 4 inches between.

The insulation is being encouraged be the government to cut down on
greenhouse gases, so we don't use as much fuel for heating and add to global
warming.

Jean in Poole, (on the south coast of England)

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