Re: [Ldsoss] commuting

2006-06-12 Thread Thomas Haws

I'm sure thankful the church and the LDSOSS community have the
suggestions and good ideas of Ed, Manfred, Shane, Paul, and all the
others.  We are going to do great!

Tom Haws
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Re: [Ldsoss] commuting

2006-06-11 Thread Paul Penrod





I agree. 

If you look at the three fold mission of the Church, one does not see
the statement: "Write Software".

The fact the Church is even involved to any extent in technology is a
byproduct of the fact that 
good tools make work easier. The computer, for all it's glitter and
warts is a good tool for 
repetitive tasking. As Shane has pointed out, the Church is behind the
curve on OSS, but is making
steps to catch up, as there is perceived value.

I also agree, you can not sit around looking to them for leadership in
this matter. In the D&C, the
Lord was quite plain about the fact the saints should be "going about
doing good", and "not to be
commanded in all things". If you do something good, and they like it,
they will come.

I am somewhat reminded of my sister's ward in S. Jordan where there
were young marrieds that 
pester the bishop as to what kind of furniture to buy, what color to
paint their house, or what to
name a newborn. That's a bit too dependent in my book, but I use it to
illustrate the point of 
the question raised about leadership.

I, myself, in a previous thread have suggested that someone from HQ
take the lead on the scout
project - but, did so in the vein that we have to establish the
boundaries to the initial problem/
request, so that people can speak to it properly. That make sense
irrespective of what method
the Church uses to address the matter, as they have to understand the
problem internally, before
they can focus resources of any kind effectively - be internal or not.

So, my suggestion, to echo Shane's is to go do something useful with
your time, and don't look
to be directed in the matter until the need for your services is there
- and it will be. 

Patience is a virtue - though not a timely one.

Shane Hathaway wrote:

  Ed Ashton wrote:
  
  
I seemed to have inadvertently stuck my feet into my mouth.  I'm sorry
if I offended you that wasn't the intent.

  
  
As I interpret Manfred's message, he didn't take any offense.  By "there
is no need for an email like this", I think he was saying "you don't
have to ask permission".

  
  
 I have the time but not the
knowledge to head any such project.  Like you, I would love to see
somthing like this take off for the church.  I'm sure many people would
like to take part in somthing where they could help the kingdom roll
forth.  I'm just trying to offer suggestions to get people thinking.

  
  
I think there are a lot of LDS open source developers like you who are
looking for leadership, and the church is the natural place to look for
that leadership.  Unfortunately, the church in general doesn't yet
understand open source methodology well enough to take that role.  There
are people working to change that, but it will take a while.

Meanwhile, don't be afraid to follow inspiration.

Shane

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Re: [Ldsoss] commuting

2006-06-11 Thread Shane Hathaway
Ed Ashton wrote:
> I seemed to have inadvertently stuck my feet into my mouth.  I'm sorry
> if I offended you that wasn't the intent.

As I interpret Manfred's message, he didn't take any offense.  By "there
is no need for an email like this", I think he was saying "you don't
have to ask permission".

>  I have the time but not the
> knowledge to head any such project.  Like you, I would love to see
> somthing like this take off for the church.  I'm sure many people would
> like to take part in somthing where they could help the kingdom roll
> forth.  I'm just trying to offer suggestions to get people thinking.

I think there are a lot of LDS open source developers like you who are
looking for leadership, and the church is the natural place to look for
that leadership.  Unfortunately, the church in general doesn't yet
understand open source methodology well enough to take that role.  There
are people working to change that, but it will take a while.

Meanwhile, don't be afraid to follow inspiration.

Shane

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[Ldsoss] commuting

2006-06-11 Thread Ed Ashton

Manfred,

I seemed to have inadvertently stuck my feet into my mouth.  I'm sorry if I 
offended you that wasn't the intent.  I have the time but not the knowledge 
to head any such project.  Like you, I would love to see somthing like this 
take off for the church.  I'm sure many people would like to take part in 
somthing where they could help the kingdom roll forth.  I'm just trying to 
offer suggestions to get people thinking.


Ed Ashton

Hi Ed,

There is no need for an email like this. The main thing is dedication to the
Gospel that is
needed and some common sense. If you want to head a project and have the
time for it go for
it. I am already active in another couple of Open Source projects and as
such I would love
to see someone else to take the lead.

Kind regards,
Manfred Riem
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.manorrock.org/


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