Re: What search engine best at "Freedom-Respecting"?

[Ali Reza Hayati]

> On Jul 30, 2023, at 11:06, Yuchen Pei  wrote:
> 
> On Mon 2023-07-17 10:07:13 -0400, Greg Farough wrote:
> 
>> 
>> That's correct.
>> 
>> Personally, I like Wiby. It's catered to personal sites / the "small
>> web," though. So, it might not be great for doing dissertation
>> research or something like that.
>> 
>> 
> 
> +1 to wiby, though I don't use it as a search engine. Whenever I need
> some inspiration, I go there and click the "suprise me..." link, and
> most of the time it does not disappoint.
> 

Thank you for introducing such cool service.
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Re: What search engine best at "Freedom-Respecting"?

[Yuchen Pei]

On Mon 2023-07-17 10:07:13 -0400, Greg Farough wrote:

>
> That's correct.
>
> Personally, I like Wiby. It's catered to personal sites / the "small
> web," though. So, it might not be great for doing dissertation
> research or something like that.
>
> 

+1 to wiby, though I don't use it as a search engine. Whenever I need
some inspiration, I go there and click the "suprise me..." link, and
most of the time it does not disappoint.

Best,
Yuchen

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Re: What search engine best at "Freedom-Respecting"?

[Robert]

   Hi,
   I use searx. There are several public instances, but you can also run
   your own instance.
   -Robert
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Re: What search engine best at "Freedom-Respecting"?

[Jan Prunk]

   Hello,
   What about Ecosia.org ? They will plant trees in exchange for the
   browsing time spent on their search engine. So you also do something
   good for the planet, while using it. I have been using it for some
   years now, and it gives quite similar search results, compared to
   Google.com. Also it doesn't geo-ip track you, while using it. The
   search produces the same output, from anywhere in the world.
   Regards,
   Jan
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   Sent from my Android device, please excuse my brevity.

   On Tue, Dec 6, 2022, 14:45 Don Saklad <[1]dsak...@gnu.org> wrote:

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Re: What search engine best at "Freedom-Respecting"?

[Greg Farough]

On Sat, Jul 15 2023, Ali Reza Hayati  wrote:

> On 7/14/23 18:52, Ignis wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 15:12:37 +, Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I would guess Duckduckgo is much better than the main search engines
>>> such as Google and Bing.  There are several such as SearX which are more
>>> decentralised, but can also be self hosted, which that comes with the
>>> price tag of time, resources, cost and effort to set up and maintain.
>> Speaking of SearX, these are all still meta search engines that rely
>> on
>> centralised search engines for the index. I tried YaCy once before, which
>> is a P2P search engine that relies on a decentralised index, but it was
>> written in Java and consumed so much RAM that my server crashed.
>> 
>
> I miss previous messages but I have to mention that network services
> aren't free or nonfree; they raise other issues:
> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/network-services-arent-free-or-nonfree.html

That's correct.

Personally, I like Wiby. It's catered to personal sites / the "small
web," though. So, it might not be great for doing dissertation
research or something like that.



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Re: What search engine best at "Freedom-Respecting"?

[Ali Reza Hayati]

On 7/14/23 18:52, Ignis wrote:

On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 15:12:37 +, Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss
wrote:


I would guess Duckduckgo is much better than the main search engines
such as Google and Bing.  There are several such as SearX which are more
decentralised, but can also be self hosted, which that comes with the
price tag of time, resources, cost and effort to set up and maintain.


Speaking of SearX, these are all still meta search engines that rely on
centralised search engines for the index. I tried YaCy once before, which
is a P2P search engine that relies on a decentralised index, but it was
written in Java and consumed so much RAM that my server crashed.



I miss previous messages but I have to mention that network services 
aren't free or nonfree; they raise other issues: 
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/network-services-arent-free-or-nonfree.html


I personally use DuckDuckGo and sometimes Searx. They both work with 
JavaScript disabled and are fast and promoted to be more private than 
other ones but I guess we can never be sure as they are installed and 
run on other people's computers so we can't actually verify the program.


Also, there's some other search services I like such as SwissCows.com.

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Re: What search engine best at "Freedom-Respecting"?

[Ignis]

On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 15:12:37 +, Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss
wrote:

> I would guess Duckduckgo is much better than the main search engines
> such as Google and Bing.  There are several such as SearX which are more
> decentralised, but can also be self hosted, which that comes with the
> price tag of time, resources, cost and effort to set up and maintain.

Speaking of SearX, these are all still meta search engines that rely on 
centralised search engines for the index. I tried YaCy once before, which 
is a P2P search engine that relies on a decentralised index, but it was 
written in Java and consumed so much RAM that my server crashed.


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re: What search engine best at "Freedom-Respecting"?

[Jim Fulner]

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  From: Arthur Torrey
   Subject: re: What search engine best at "Freedom-Respecting"?
  Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 13:05:06 -0500 (EST)
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I found Duck Duck's results to be underwhelming, especially when doing things
like looking for technical documents on a product - DDG would return umpteen
places to BUY the product, but not manufacturer's websites, or manual pages,
etc...

I now use "Startpage" <[17]https://www.startpage.com> which is based in the EU,
so
under the GDPR for whatever good that does...  They claim that they don't log,
monitor, or track searches or users.  Supposedly what they do is pay Google to
use their engine / database on an anonymous basis (all the requests to Google
are marked as coming from Startpage, not you) and make their money by doing
adds (that are clearly marked as adds) based strictly on the search terms used,
which seems reasonable.  I believe they also have some 'premium' extra cost
services like VPN's, etc.

They do have some sort of javascript that is reported by NoScript, but I'm not
sure if it's proprietary or free...  (I haven't checked)

ART

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 From: Abe Indoria
 Subject: Re: What search engine best at "Freedom-Respecting"?
 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 09:13:52 -0700
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   (Oops, originally replied to author only, my bad)
   I was under the impression that SearX-ng (use the ng) can still be used
   to build an ad-profile of you. A major advantage of searX is that the
   more people use it, the more anonymous it gets. Otherwise, it's just an
   aggregator, and thus, Google/bing/Brave/DDG etc will still be tracking
   you if you're the only person to use it. Potentially anyhow.
   On the other hand, the benefits of searx-ng are good enough for me to
   self-host and use it everyday.
   --
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 Subject: Re: What search engine best at "Freedom-Respecting"?
 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 15:12:37 +
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   I would guess Duckduckgo is much better than the main search
   engines such as Google and Bing. There are several such as SearX which
   are more decentralised, but can also be self hosted, which that comes
   with the price tag of time, resources, cost and effort to set up and
   maintain.
It probably depends what you want or are looking for.

Paul
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 From: Don Saklad
 Subject: What search engine best at "Freedom-Respecting"?
 Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2022 11:50:41 -0500
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What search engine best at "Freedom-Respecting"?


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References

   1. https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:Apache2.0
   2. https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#apache2
   3. https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html
   4. https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html
   5. https://github.com/duckduckgo
   6. https://github.com/searx/searx
   7. https://searx.space/
   8. https://github.com/searxng
   9. https://searx.tiekoetter.com/
  10. https://github.com/alexandria-org/alexandria/blob/main/LICENSE
  11. https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:Expat
  12. https://github.com/alexandria-org/alexandria
  13. https://librandet.de/profile/fu
  14. https://friendi.ca/
  15. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse
  16. https://www.fsf.org/
  17. https://www.startpage.com/
  18. mailto:arthur_tor...@comcast.net
  19. https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/
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Re: What search engine best at "Freedom-Respecting"?

[Abe Indoria]

   (Oops, originally replied to author only, my bad)
   I was under the impression that SearX-ng (use the ng) can still be used
   to build an ad-profile of you. A major advantage of searX is that the
   more people use it, the more anonymous it gets. Otherwise, it's just an
   aggregator, and thus, Google/bing/Brave/DDG etc will still be tracking
   you if you're the only person to use it. Potentially anyhow.
   On the other hand, the benefits of searx-ng are good enough for me to
   self-host and use it everyday.
   --
   Abe
   On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 8:42 AM Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss
   <[1]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org> wrote:

 I would guess Duckduckgo is much better than the main search engines
 such as Google and Bing.  There are several such as SearX which are
 more
 decentralised, but can also be self hosted, which that comes with
 the
 price tag of time, resources, cost and effort to set up and
 maintain.
 It probably depends what you want or are looking for.
 Paul
 On 02/12/2022 16:50, Don Saklad wrote:
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re: What search engine best at "Freedom-Respecting"?

[Arthur Torrey]

I found Duck Duck's results to be underwhelming, especially when doing things 
like looking for technical documents on a product - DDG would return umpteen 
places to BUY the product, but not manufacturer's websites, or manual pages, 
etc...

I now use "Startpage"  which is based in the EU, so 
under the GDPR for whatever good that does...  They claim that they don't log, 
monitor, or track searches or users.  Supposedly what they do is pay Google to 
use their engine / database on an anonymous basis (all the requests to Google 
are marked as coming from Startpage, not you) and make their money by doing 
adds (that are clearly marked as adds) based strictly on the search terms used, 
which seems reasonable.  I believe they also have some 'premium' extra cost 
services like VPN's, etc.

They do have some sort of javascript that is reported by NoScript, but I'm not 
sure if it's proprietary or free...  (I haven't checked)

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Re: What search engine best at "Freedom-Respecting"?

[Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss]

I would guess Duckduckgo is much better than the main search engines 
such as Google and Bing.  There are several such as SearX which are more 
decentralised, but can also be self hosted, which that comes with the 
price tag of time, resources, cost and effort to set up and maintain.


It probably depends what you want or are looking for.

Paul

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What search engine best at "Freedom-Respecting"?

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What search engine best at "Freedom-Respecting"?

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