Re: [License-discuss] Illumina Open Source License
Hi Albert, Gervase, Thanks for your continuing thoughts on the Illumina license issue. I don't have much to add to the discussion at this point, but I did want to let you know I was reading the posts, and will try to make use of the feedback to help us get illumina code out into the OSI community. Thanks, Tamsen On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Albert Vilella wrote: > Hi, > > I have been trying to wrap my head around the following license, and > discussed the contents of it with colleagues. There seems to be two > markedly opposed opinions around the license. This is, people that > think it's OSI-compliant, and people that think it's nothing close to > being OSI-compliant: > > > http://github.com/sequencing/isaac_aligner/blob/master/General_Illumina_Open_Source_License_Template_1_Final.pdf?raw=true > > Although I don't have anything against the license itself, I am > personally curious to see how it does when reviewed in this mailing > list. Specifically, I would like to see if there are any impediments > for software under this license to be packaged for Debian. > > Thanks in advance, > > Albert. > > Disclaimer: these thoughts and opinions are my own, and not that of my > employer. > ___ > License-discuss mailing list > License-discuss@opensource.org > http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss > ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
Re: [License-discuss] Illumina Open Source License
Thanks for the question. I agree with the other comments here and have submitted an issue to the project on Github. S. On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Albert Vilella wrote: > Hi, > > I have been trying to wrap my head around the following license, and > discussed the contents of it with colleagues. There seems to be two > markedly opposed opinions around the license. This is, people that > think it's OSI-compliant, and people that think it's nothing close to > being OSI-compliant: > > > http://github.com/sequencing/isaac_aligner/blob/master/General_Illumina_Open_Source_License_Template_1_Final.pdf?raw=true > > Although I don't have anything against the license itself, I am > personally curious to see how it does when reviewed in this mailing > list. Specifically, I would like to see if there are any impediments > for software under this license to be packaged for Debian. > > Thanks in advance, > > Albert. > > Disclaimer: these thoughts and opinions are my own, and not that of my > employer. > ___ > License-discuss mailing list > License-discuss@opensource.org > http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss > -- Simon Phipps*, OSI President* +44 238 098 7027 or +1 415 683 7660 : www.opensource.org ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
Re: [License-discuss] Illumina Open Source License
I agree with Ben. The part requiring a license from llumina for commercial use in non-illumina branded equipment in (1)(d) and (4)(b) step over the line. Ditto the part where you cannot use it for SaaS (4)(c). (2)(d) which requires commercial entity to inform Illumina about their modification is also problematic, but perhaps not show stopper. I will join Ben in the nothing close to being OSI camp. Best Regards, Cinly * Don't bother with footer please. I don't read them and will not be bounded by them. It cannot be enforced legally anyway. If it can, then remember this: This footer always triumph yours. On 13 March 2014 15:45, Ben Tilly wrote: > Put me in the nothing close to being OSI camp. > > It discriminates against anyone other than Illumina, Inc who would > like to use it in gene sequencing software. I would therefore fail it > under item 5. A major intent of open source software is exactly that > you not discriminate in this way. > > But I'm a private citizen and my interpretation is only my > interpretation. If you're specifically interested in Debian, then go > to https://www.debian.org/legal/ and get on their mailing lists to get > their opinions. Because that is the only one that matters. > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Albert Vilella > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have been trying to wrap my head around the following license, and > > discussed the contents of it with colleagues. There seems to be two > > markedly opposed opinions around the license. This is, people that > > think it's OSI-compliant, and people that think it's nothing close to > > being OSI-compliant: > > > > > http://github.com/sequencing/isaac_aligner/blob/master/General_Illumina_Open_Source_License_Template_1_Final.pdf?raw=true > > > > Although I don't have anything against the license itself, I am > > personally curious to see how it does when reviewed in this mailing > > list. Specifically, I would like to see if there are any impediments > > for software under this license to be packaged for Debian. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Albert. > > > > Disclaimer: these thoughts and opinions are my own, and not that of my > employer. > > ___ > > License-discuss mailing list > > License-discuss@opensource.org > > http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss > ___ > License-discuss mailing list > License-discuss@opensource.org > http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss > ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
Re: [License-discuss] Illumina Open Source License
On 13/03/14 10:26, Albert Vilella wrote: > markedly opposed opinions around the license. This is, people that > think it's OSI-compliant, and people that think it's nothing close to > being OSI-compliant: How could anyone think that a license which says "use or sale of the Software as part of a SaaS Bundle ... is prohibited" could be OSI-compliant? Having to get permission for commercial use is also clearly non-OSI. Gerv ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
Re: [License-discuss] Illumina Open Source License
Put me in the nothing close to being OSI camp. It discriminates against anyone other than Illumina, Inc who would like to use it in gene sequencing software. I would therefore fail it under item 5. A major intent of open source software is exactly that you not discriminate in this way. But I'm a private citizen and my interpretation is only my interpretation. If you're specifically interested in Debian, then go to https://www.debian.org/legal/ and get on their mailing lists to get their opinions. Because that is the only one that matters. On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Albert Vilella wrote: > Hi, > > I have been trying to wrap my head around the following license, and > discussed the contents of it with colleagues. There seems to be two > markedly opposed opinions around the license. This is, people that > think it's OSI-compliant, and people that think it's nothing close to > being OSI-compliant: > > http://github.com/sequencing/isaac_aligner/blob/master/General_Illumina_Open_Source_License_Template_1_Final.pdf?raw=true > > Although I don't have anything against the license itself, I am > personally curious to see how it does when reviewed in this mailing > list. Specifically, I would like to see if there are any impediments > for software under this license to be packaged for Debian. > > Thanks in advance, > > Albert. > > Disclaimer: these thoughts and opinions are my own, and not that of my > employer. > ___ > License-discuss mailing list > License-discuss@opensource.org > http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
[License-discuss] Illumina Open Source License
Hi, I have been trying to wrap my head around the following license, and discussed the contents of it with colleagues. There seems to be two markedly opposed opinions around the license. This is, people that think it's OSI-compliant, and people that think it's nothing close to being OSI-compliant: http://github.com/sequencing/isaac_aligner/blob/master/General_Illumina_Open_Source_License_Template_1_Final.pdf?raw=true Although I don't have anything against the license itself, I am personally curious to see how it does when reviewed in this mailing list. Specifically, I would like to see if there are any impediments for software under this license to be packaged for Debian. Thanks in advance, Albert. Disclaimer: these thoughts and opinions are my own, and not that of my employer. ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
[License-discuss] Illumina Open Source License
Hi, I have been trying to wrap my head around the following license, and discussed the contents of it with colleagues. There seems to be two markedly opposed opinions around the license. This is, people that think it's OSI-compliant, and people that think it's nothing close to being OSI-compliant: http://github.com/sequencing/isaac_aligner/blob/master/General_Illumina_Open_Source_License_Template_1_Final.pdf?raw=true Although I don't have anything against the license itself, I am personally curious to see how it does when reviewed in this mailing list. Specifically, I would like to see if there are any impediments for software under this license to be packaged for Debian. Thanks in advance, Albert. Disclaimer: these thoughts and opinions are my own, and not that of my employer. ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
