Re: SOLVED: going backwards in time

[Adam James Wilson]

It looks like I'm going down a road of rhythmic complexity that breaks
Lilypond rendering in the absence of arbitrary precision arithmetic.

Han-Wen: would it be possible for me to sponsor a move to arbitrary
precision arithmetic?  As you say, GUILE does support this option, and it
would be possible to select it with some sort of flag so that other users
wouldn't take the performance hit.  Such a fix would be necessary for me to
use Lilypond to fully render my scores (I can render only a few pages at the
moment).

My scores typically require things like the example below, which breaks with
an "unterminated beam" error, and I *think* it is exceeding 32-bit precision
(I'm assuming that Lily is using lowest common multiple of denominators to
deal with resolution):

\version "2.11.56"

\layout {
\context { \Score
\override NonMusicalPaperColumn #'line-break-permission = ##f
\override NonMusicalPaperColumn #'page-break-permission = ##f
\override SpacingSpanner #'uniform-stretching = ##t
\override SpacingSpanner #'strict-note-spacing = ##t
proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 20)
ragged-right = ##t
}
\context { \Voice
\remove Forbid_line_break_engraver
\override Beam #'breakable = ##t
}
}
\new Staff {
<<
\new Voice {

\time 4/1
c'2.*2351/3696
\scaleDurations #'(495 . 4336) {
d'8*11[ \bar "|" \break d'8*100 d'8*100]
}
e'1*827949/8012928
\bar "|"
\time 3/8
c'4.
 }
>>
}

%{
warning: unterminated beam d'8*11[ \bar "|" \break d'8*100 d'8*100]

[a=3696, b=34688 (denom. of 495/4366*211/8), c=8012928, d=8]
gcf(a,b,c,d) = 8
lcm(a,b,c,d) = 1027312242130944
32-bit precision maxes out at 4.3 billion (less than the lcm above)
64-bit is more like 18.4 quintillion
%}
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Re: Hidden rests without visible space

[Dominic Neumann]

I´m not sure what you exactly want, but maybe you can give us a short
.ly example?

You could try to use s followed by the value of the invisible rest.

Dominic

2008/9/4 Aaron Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Is it possible to create hidden rests that do not create visible space?  I
> have used skips to layout a series of variations but there is far too much
> white space around the barlines separating variations.  I am hoping to find
> a way to still use skip but greatly compress the space it generates.
>
> Thanks for your help!
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Re: Hidden rests without visible space

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Aaron,

Is it possible to create hidden rests that do not create visible  
space?


\override Rest #'X-extent = #'(0 . 0)

Hope this helps!
Kieren.


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Hidden rests without visible space

[Aaron Dalton]

Is it possible to create hidden rests that do not create visible space?  I 
have used skips to layout a series of variations but there is far too much 
white space around the barlines separating variations.  I am hoping to 
find a way to still use skip but greatly compress the space it generates.


Thanks for your help!
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Re: Stem Combining

[James E. Bailey]

Am 04.09.2008 um 18:17 schrieb Risto Vääräniemi:


2008/9/4 James E. Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

What were you looking for in terms of combining?


I was hoping to get results as presented in the attached image
(situation was staged).

I had one song that I wanted to cram into a smaller space. Since all
the rhythms were the same on both voices I decided to put the stems in
the same direction. Opposite stems would have taken too much space. To
get this result I had to use chords.


Yeah, from that image, I wouldn't think of anything but chords.

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Re: Stem Combining

[Risto Vääräniemi]

2008/9/4 James E. Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> What were you looking for in terms of combining?

I was hoping to get results as presented in the attached image
(situation was staged).

I had one song that I wanted to cram into a smaller space. Since all
the rhythms were the same on both voices I decided to put the stems in
the same direction. Opposite stems would have taken too much space. To
get this result I had to use chords.

-Risto
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Re: Stem Combining

[James E. Bailey]

Am 04.09.2008 um 18:06 schrieb Neil Puttock:


2008/9/4 James E. Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Perhaps a better example would be

voiceone = \context Voice = "voice one" \relative { c'4 b a g f e  
f2 c1}

voicetwo = \relative {c'4 b a g f e \stemDown d_( b) \stemNeutral c1}


Have you noticed what happens if you remove \partcombine in your  
example? :)


Partcombining isn't designed to work with lyrics; once you explicitly
name one of the voices, and try to attach lyrics to it, the
partcombining stops working. Internally, the two voices are given the
names "one" and "two", but these only exist when the individual parts
have different durations. For example, if I change your snippet
slightly,


Well that makes sense. And is yet another reason why I've never even  
attempted to use partcombine with lyrics. Multiple voices always  
worked for me. -_-




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Re: Stem Combining

[Neil Puttock]

2008/9/4 James E. Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>  Perhaps a better example would be
>
> voiceone = \context Voice = "voice one" \relative { c'4 b a g f e f2 c1}
> voicetwo = \relative {c'4 b a g f e \stemDown d_( b) \stemNeutral c1}

Have you noticed what happens if you remove \partcombine in your example? :)

Partcombining isn't designed to work with lyrics; once you explicitly
name one of the voices, and try to attach lyrics to it, the
partcombining stops working. Internally, the two voices are given the
names "one" and "two", but these only exist when the individual parts
have different durations. For example, if I change your snippet
slightly,

voiceone = \context Voice = "one" \relative { c'4 b a g f e f2 c1}
voicetwo = \relative {c'4 b a g f e \stemDown d_( b) \stemNeutral c1}

words = \lyricmode {
  I vii vi V IV iii ii vii I
}

\score {
  <<
 \new Staff \with { printPartCombineTexts = ##f } << \partcombine
\voiceone \voicetwo >>
 \new Lyrics \lyricsto "one" \words
  >>
}

you can see that the lyrics only find voice one when the voices split.

Regards,
Neil
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Re: Stem Combining

[James E. Bailey]

What were you looking for in terms of combining? Typically, I found  
partcombine best when the parts are occasionally the same, but it can  
be adapted to normal multiple voice music, I guess. In the image that  
I see, the lower voice has stems down, the upper voice has stems up  
and the "lyrics" are attached to the voice? Did you want the stems  
pointing in the same direction? Just make the stem directions the same  
then. Lilypond will complain about overlapping note columns, though…

 Perhaps a better example would be

voiceone = \context Voice = "voice one" \relative { c'4 b a g f e f2 c1}
voicetwo = \relative {c'4 b a g f e \stemDown d_( b) \stemNeutral c1}

Am 04.09.2008 um 16:26 schrieb Risto Vääräniemi:

I am not able to make your example work. If I use it as is (except add
\version "2.11.56" and \include "deutsch.ly" or "suomi.ly") the stems
point in opposite directions. I have to remove the \context Voice =
"voice one" and reverse the voices inside partcombine to actually get
the voices combined. However then I can't use the lyrics. :-(

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Re: Stem Combining

[Risto Vääräniemi]

2008/9/4 Risto Vääräniemi:
> 2008/9/4 James E. Bailey:
>>
>> What's the problem?

> Thanks for the tip. I was trying to attach the lyrics to the combined
> voice and not to an original one. Based on the section "Automatic part
> combining" I thought that the original voices wouldn't exist after the
> partcombine. This would be a nice addition to the LSR if it was up
> (and if this isn't already there). :-(

Sorry for troubling you again.

I am not able to make your example work. If I use it as is (except add
\version "2.11.56" and \include "deutsch.ly" or "suomi.ly") the stems
point in opposite directions. I have to remove the \context Voice =
"voice one" and reverse the voices inside partcombine to actually get
the voices combined. However then I can't use the lyrics. :-(

Should I upgrade to 2.11.57?

-Risto

%
\version "2.11.56"

\include "deutsch.ly"

voiceone = \context Voice = "voice one" \relative {
  \stemDown
  c'4 h a g f e d2 c1
}

voicetwo = \relative {
  \stemUp
  e'4 d c h a g a^( h) c1
}
words = \lyricmode {
  I vii vi V IV iii ii vii I
}

\score {
  <<
\new Staff \with { printPartCombineTexts = ##f }
<< \partcombine \voiceone \voicetwo >>
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "voice one" \words
  >>
}
%
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Re: Stem Combining

[Risto Vääräniemi]

2008/9/4 James E. Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> What's the problem?

> \score {
>   <<
>  \new Staff \with { printPartCombineTexts = ##f } << \partcombine
> \voiceone \voicetwo >>
>  \new Lyrics \lyricsto "voice one" \words
>   >>
> }

Thanks for the tip. I was trying to attach the lyrics to the combined
voice and not to an original one. Based on the section "Automatic part
combining" I thought that the original voices wouldn't exist after the
partcombine. This would be a nice addition to the LSR if it was up
(and if this isn't already there). :-(

-Risto


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Re: Stem Combining

[James E. Bailey]

Am 04.09.2008 um 12:00 schrieb Risto Vääräniemi:


2008/9/4 Mats Bengtsson :
I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned \partcombine, so far. It's  
probably

the closest you can
get to your wishes, with the built-in support in LilyPond. See  
Section

"Automatic part combining"
in the manual for more information. Note that the current part  
combiner has

a number of issues, though.


Yes, it has. I tried once to combine soprano and alto voices and
although it produced fine looking music the biggest obstacle was
attaching lyrics to the combined "voice". It might be possible to use
it by using associatedVoice but that was too complex and I decided to
create the voice by hand with chords .

If someone has found out  a solution that will allow attaching lyrics
to "partcombined" voice I'd be very happy to hear of it. :-)

-Risto

What's the problem?

voiceone = \context Voice = "voice one" \relative {
   \stemDown
   c'4 h a g f e d2 c1
}

voicetwo = \relative {
   \stemUp
   e'4 d c h a g a^( h) c1
}
words = \lyricmode {
   I vii vi V IV iii ii vii I
}

\score {
   <<
  \new Staff \with { printPartCombineTexts = ##f } <<  
\partcombine \voiceone \voicetwo >>

  \new Lyrics \lyricsto "voice one" \words
   >>
}

It works fine for me.

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Re: Re: LilyPondTool on Linux

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Bertalan wrote:
> What if you set the gs command to the full path of gs, and the python
respectively?

This does not help.

Mats wrote:
> I guess this should rather be: /usr/local/bin/
This did help for lilypond. For convert-ly I now get an "Error running
external command".
But it works from console, so it's not a real problem.

Thomas






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Re: LilyPondTool on XP

[Valentin Villenave]

2008/9/4 Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> In the plugin options for SideKick plugin options you can set the
> autocompletion characters.

Yeah, more specifically:
Plugins menu > Plugin Options... > Sidekick/General

> "Accept characters for completion popup" :
delete the first backslash.

Cheers,
Valentin


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Re: LilyPondTool on XP

[Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)]

In the plugin options for SideKick plugin options you can set the 
autocompletion characters.


Ralph Palmer wrote:

Hi, Bertalan and other Ponders -

I'm using jEdit and LilyPondTool on XP SP3. I've tried the help 
function, but I can't figure out how to disable/turn off the 
autocomplete function. It's irritating because I'll type a command and 
hit the space bar and sometimes LilyPondTool autocompletes a longer 
command which I then have to completely backspace over because the 
first letter of the command is changed to upper case. Can you please 
tell me how to disable the autocomplete function?


Otherwise, I'm finding LilyPondTool a help in many ways.

Thanks for your time and help,

Ralph

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LilyPondTool on XP

[Ralph Palmer]

Hi, Bertalan and other Ponders -

I'm using jEdit and LilyPondTool on XP SP3. I've tried the help function,
but I can't figure out how to disable/turn off the autocomplete function.
It's irritating because I'll type a command and hit the space bar and
sometimes LilyPondTool autocompletes a longer command which I then have to
completely backspace over because the first letter of the command is changed
to upper case. Can you please tell me how to disable the autocomplete
function?

Otherwise, I'm finding LilyPondTool a help in many ways.

Thanks for your time and help,

Ralph

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Greenfield, MA
USA
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Re: Stem Combining

[Risto Vääräniemi]

2008/9/4 Mats Bengtsson :
> I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned \partcombine, so far. It's probably
> the closest you can
> get to your wishes, with the built-in support in LilyPond. See Section
> "Automatic part combining"
> in the manual for more information. Note that the current part combiner has
> a number of issues, though.

Yes, it has. I tried once to combine soprano and alto voices and
although it produced fine looking music the biggest obstacle was
attaching lyrics to the combined "voice". It might be possible to use
it by using associatedVoice but that was too complex and I decided to
create the voice by hand with chords .

If someone has found out  a solution that will allow attaching lyrics
to "partcombined" voice I'd be very happy to hear of it. :-)

-Risto


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Re: LilyPondTool on Linux

[Mats Bengtsson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Maybe my jEdit plugin configuration is incorrect?
I have:

Path to LilyPond binary: /usr/local/lilypond/usr/bin
  

I guess this should rather be: /usr/local/bin/
If you check what path is used to the lilypond program on your command 
line, I bet

that this is what's used.


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Re: LilyPondTool on Linux

[Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)]

What if you set the gs command to the full path of gs, and the python 
respectively?


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kubuntu 8.04 
LilyPond 2.11.57

jEdit 4.3pre15
LilyPondTool 2.10.5 
--


Hello list,

1)
When I use LilyPondTool for running LilyPond, I get an error message, no
pdf is produced (ps is there!).
Running LilyPond directly works as expected.
2)
Running convert-ly from inside LilyPondTool does not work either; again,
running directly is o.k..

Maybe my jEdit plugin configuration is incorrect?
I have:

Path to LilyPond binary: /usr/local/lilypond/usr/bin
LilyPond command: lilypond
convert-ly command: convert-ly
Python executable: python
GhostrScript command: gs

Thank you,
Thomas

--
Error messages:
1)
Parsing...
Interpreting music... 
Interpreting music... [8][16][16]

Preprocessing graphical objects...
MIDI output to `sonata6.midi'...
Finding the ideal number of pages...
Fitting music on 1 page...
Drawing systems...
Layout output to `sonata6.ps'...
Converting to `./sonata6.pdf'...
`gs -q  -dSAFER  -dDEVICEWIDTHPOINTS=595.28 -dDEVICEHEIGHTPOINTS=841.89 
-dCompatibilityLevel=1.4  -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -r1200  -sDEVICE=pdfwrite

-sOutputFile="./sonata6.pdf" -c .setpdfwrite -f "sonata6.ps"' failed
(32512)
error: failed files: "/home/thomas/Dokumente/lilypondfiles/sonata6.ly"

2)
convert-ly --edit "/home/thomas/Dokumente/lilypondfiles/sonata6.ly"
/usr/local/lilypond/usr/bin/python: error while loading shared
libraries: libpython2.4.so.1.0: cannot open shared object file: No such
file or directory




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[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Kubuntu 8.04 
LilyPond 2.11.57
jEdit 4.3pre15
LilyPondTool 2.10.5 
--

Hello list,

1)
When I use LilyPondTool for running LilyPond, I get an error message, no
pdf is produced (ps is there!).
Running LilyPond directly works as expected.
2)
Running convert-ly from inside LilyPondTool does not work either; again,
running directly is o.k..

Maybe my jEdit plugin configuration is incorrect?
I have:

Path to LilyPond binary: /usr/local/lilypond/usr/bin
LilyPond command: lilypond
convert-ly command: convert-ly
Python executable: python
GhostrScript command: gs

Thank you,
Thomas

--
Error messages:
1)
Parsing...
Interpreting music... 
Interpreting music... [8][16][16]
Preprocessing graphical objects...
MIDI output to `sonata6.midi'...
Finding the ideal number of pages...
Fitting music on 1 page...
Drawing systems...
Layout output to `sonata6.ps'...
Converting to `./sonata6.pdf'...
`gs -q  -dSAFER  -dDEVICEWIDTHPOINTS=595.28 -dDEVICEHEIGHTPOINTS=841.89 
-dCompatibilityLevel=1.4  -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -r1200  -sDEVICE=pdfwrite
-sOutputFile="./sonata6.pdf" -c .setpdfwrite -f "sonata6.ps"' failed
(32512)
error: failed files: "/home/thomas/Dokumente/lilypondfiles/sonata6.ly"

2)
convert-ly --edit "/home/thomas/Dokumente/lilypondfiles/sonata6.ly"
/usr/local/lilypond/usr/bin/python: error while loading shared
libraries: libpython2.4.so.1.0: cannot open shared object file: No such
file or directory




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Re: Stem Combining

[Mats Bengtsson]

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned \partcombine, so far. It's 
probably the closest you can
get to your wishes, with the built-in support in LilyPond. See Section 
"Automatic part combining"
in the manual for more information. Note that the current part combiner 
has a number of issues,

though.

  /Mats

James E. Bailey wrote:


Am 04.09.2008 um 03:57 schrieb Daniel Cheramie:


Hi All,

I am typesetting a number of SATB hymns and noticed that mine look 
quite ugly
because of not combining stems in the desired manner. The hymnals I 
have seen

combine most stems on the SA and TB parts except for:

* Notes less than 2 steps apart
* Notes of different durations
* Eighth or sixteenth notes that are beamed ar enot combined if the 
other beamed

note isn't.

I would like to be able to specify each part individually and have 
them combined
automatically. Is there some simple way to achieve this with 
Lilypond? I can

provide an example if needed of one I have done by hand.

Thanks,
Daniel


Automatically? That would be kind of difficult. (Except with Scheme, I 
don't know a thing about it, but I'm convinced now that anything 
that's difficult or cumbersome in lilypond becomes infinitely easier 
if you know Scheme.) The problems, as I see them are this:
1) Part combine would combine the notes that are the same into one 
stem, but also all notes that are the same rhythmic value and only has 
stems in opposite directions when they are different rhythmic values.
2) Multiple voices (which is probably what you're using) has all stems 
opposite on all notes (and has the problem of two rests which looks 
reeally ugly)


The best solution I can think of would be to do it yourself, and code 
it like piano music with lyrics. Because, if you're looking at two 
stave-hymnals, while it's good for a choir, the stems as they are are 
an aid to an accompanist, as a singer, I hate not having my stems 
clearly show me which part I'm looking at.



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Re: Stem Combining

[James E. Bailey]

Am 04.09.2008 um 03:57 schrieb Daniel Cheramie:


Hi All,

I am typesetting a number of SATB hymns and noticed that mine look  
quite ugly
because of not combining stems in the desired manner. The hymnals I  
have seen

combine most stems on the SA and TB parts except for:

* Notes less than 2 steps apart
* Notes of different durations
* Eighth or sixteenth notes that are beamed ar enot combined if the  
other beamed

note isn't.

I would like to be able to specify each part individually and have  
them combined
automatically. Is there some simple way to achieve this with  
Lilypond? I can

provide an example if needed of one I have done by hand.

Thanks,
Daniel


Automatically? That would be kind of difficult. (Except with Scheme, I  
don't know a thing about it, but I'm convinced now that anything  
that's difficult or cumbersome in lilypond becomes infinitely easier  
if you know Scheme.) The problems, as I see them are this:
1) Part combine would combine the notes that are the same into one  
stem, but also all notes that are the same rhythmic value and only has  
stems in opposite directions when they are different rhythmic values.
2) Multiple voices (which is probably what you're using) has all stems  
opposite on all notes (and has the problem of two rests which looks  
reeally ugly)


The best solution I can think of would be to do it yourself, and code  
it like piano music with lyrics. Because, if you're looking at two  
stave-hymnals, while it's good for a choir, the stems as they are are  
an aid to an accompanist, as a singer, I hate not having my stems  
clearly show me which part I'm looking at.



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Re: Stem Combining

[Arno Rog]

Daniel Cheramie  chosenones.dyndns.org> writes:

> 
> I would like to be able to specify each part individually and
> have them combined automatically. Is there some simple way to achieve
> this with Lilypond? I can provide an example if needed of one
> I have done by hand.
> 
> Thanks,
> Daniel
> 

Daniel,

An example would help.

Arno Rog



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