Re: minimum-length does not work for DynamicTextSpanner

2010-03-13 Thread Frédéric Bron
> Read this:
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Spanners#Spanners

Thank you! I found that adding the following line works:

\once \override DynamicTextSpanner #'springs-and-rods =
#ly:spanner::set-spacing-rods

I had guessed that I needed to use that property but from the
documentation I understood it needed a boolean value and I tested ##t
which did not work without any error message.

Frédéric


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music font scaling with \sacredHarpHeads

2010-03-13 Thread Steve Tarr

Hi,
I'm preparing some music for our local Sacred Harp singers and finding 
that the "blackness" of the Lilypond defaults and the Emmentaler font 
don't work well for shape-note (\sacredHarpHeads) music in small sizes. 
 If I scale a staff down to 14 points to keep an entire song on one 
sheet of paper, the half-note "mi" when printed on top of a staff line 
gets filled in so that it's almost indistinguishable from the 
quarter-note "mi".


To see the effect, compare the two staves generated by:

\version "2.13.15"
music = { \time 6/4 \sacredHarpHeads b'4 b'2 b'4 b'2 }
<<
\new Staff
{
\music
}

\new Staff
\with {
fontSize = #-5
\override StaffSymbol #'staff-space = #(magstep -5)
}
{
\music
}
>>

Other note shapes in the Sacred Harp 4-shape system don't have this 
problem, or don't exhibit it to the same degree.  The "mi", being 
smaller than the other shapes, is the first to be filled in.


I can mitigate the problem by reducing the staff line thickness, but 
that affects too many other things - note stem and bar line thickness,
for example.  And the note heads, in comparison to the staff lines, then 
look too heavy.


The best workaround I've found so far is to disable the loading of the 
Emmentaler fonts in design sizes smaller than the default 20 points by 
modifying the file scm/fonts.scm:


--- font.scm.orig   2010-03-12 17:47:07.771003400 -0800
+++ font.scm2010-03-13 21:31:55.175195200 -0800
@@ -161,15 +161,10 @@
 (caddr x
`((fetaDynamic ,(ly:pt 20.0) ,feta-alphabet-size-vector)
  (fetaNumber ,(ly:pt 20.0) ,feta-alphabet-size-vector)
  (fetaMusic ,(ly:pt 20.0)
#(
- ,(delay (ly:system-font-load (string-append name "-11")))
- ,(delay (ly:system-font-load (string-append name "-13")))
- ,(delay (ly:system-font-load (string-append name "-14")))
- ,(delay (ly:system-font-load (string-append name "-16")))
- ,(delay (ly:system-font-load (string-append name "-18")))
  ,(delay (ly:system-font-load (string-append name "-20")))
  ,(delay (ly:system-font-load (string-append name "-23")))
  ,(delay (ly:system-font-load (string-append name "-26")))
  ))
  (fetaBraces ,(ly:pt 20.0)


But of course, I'd rather find a way to do the same thing within my 
score rather than modifying a Lilypond system file.  I've found bits and 
pieces of information that suggest this can be done, but that it's not 
simple, and the only examples I have deal with text fonts and not the 
music fonts.


So is there a better way to control which fonts are loaded, or perhaps 
which of the loaded fonts in this series is actually selected for 
rendering note heads?


-Steve Tarr


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Re: Musica ficta

2010-03-13 Thread northofscotland

Thank you

I've just tried your fix and it seems to do just what I was after

The answer is always out there somewhere!



Neil Puttock wrote:
> 
> On 13 March 2010 15:35, northofscotland  wrote:
>>
>> I have been trying to force musica ficta accidentals into brackets, but
>> the
>> notation
>>
>> \set suggestAccidentals = ##t fs?
>>
>> seems to be ignored.  Is it me or Liliypond?
> 
> LilyPond, though it should support this automatically.
> 
> Until it's fixed, try this:
> 
> \override AccidentalSuggestion #'parenthesized = ##t
> 
> Regards,
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Re: Musica ficta

2010-03-13 Thread northofscotland

The accidentals work fine, what I wanted to do was to put some of them into
parenthesis.  In normal typesetting you can do this by appending '?' but
this is ignored for musica ficta.  '!' is needed to force the accidental

I was looking for a way to to this more or less automatically.



Aaron Dalton wrote:
> 
> On 13/03/2010 8:35 AM, northofscotland wrote:
>> 
>> I have been trying to force musica ficta accidentals into brackets, but
>> the
>> notation 
>> 
>> \set suggestAccidentals = ##t fs? 
>> 
>> seems to be ignored.  Is it me or Liliypond?
>> 
> 
> I have 29 16th-century madrigals in which "\set suggestAccidentals =##t"
> works just fine.  What do you mean when you say "seems to be ignored"?
> Depending on your accidental style, you may need to add ! after the note
> name:
> 
> GNU LilyPond 2.12.3
> \set suggestAccidentals = ##t fis!4 \set suggestAccidentals = ##f
> 
> Cheers!
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Re: lilypond-glyphs in other programs

2010-03-13 Thread Michael J. O'Donnell
If you only need fairly conventional symbols, such as flats and sharps,
then finding the native LaTeX forms is your best bet. They are often
guessable (e.g., \flat), but they are often available only in math mode
(which is the case for \flat), so you have to write $\flat$ in regular
text, and you may need to fiddle with spacing (I'm going from an old
LaTeX manual, so it might have changed).

If you really want to use lots of symbols from the Feta font, or even a
few that you just can't find elsewhere, then you have 3 approaches that
I know of:

1. Discover that someone has already done this, and provided a *.sty
package to give decent access. This seems reasonably likely, given
lily-book (which I haven't used).

2. Configure the font for TeX yourself.

3. Use XeTeX (which has a xelatex variant) to get a fairly clean
interface with the font management used by the rest of your system.

I recently decided to play with the VSMeta-PUA font of the Revised
Organic Alphabet (by Sweet) for visible speech (by Alexander Melville
Bell). It's sorta like International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA), but less
chaotic. I started on 2, and decided it was way too much work, and
wasteful in the long run, since any intelligent future for TeX/LaTeX
should involve reconciliation with other font management methods. I
found 3 pretty easy. I can give you more guidance if you decide to go
that way, but I'll have to organize my thoughts a bit (this is something
that I did 2 days ago). So far, I haven't noticed any incompatibility
between xelatex and the usual latex, but I've only compiled one test
article about visible speech. I even managed to get LyX to use xelatex
in a fairly convenient way.

Cheers,

Mike O'Donnell

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> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:03:11 +0100
> From: Valentin Villenave 
> Subject: Re: Divisi and unison staves, how to hide?
> To: ??? - Hu Haipeng 
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> 2010/3/13 胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng :
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>> Â  At the beginning of the music, the 1st violin is divided into bracketed
>> two parts to generate different harmonics. However, it becomes unis in the
>> future, so I must prepare a separate violin I part. If I need to show all
>> instruments at the beginning, then both violin I and the divided two parts
>> are shown. If I use remove-empty = #f in all staves except violin I, then
>> the result is ok. But all the other staves will never be hidden. I think
>> Finale and Sibelius will not have this issue. How to solve this problem?
>> 
>
> Greetings Haipeng,
>
> You can just start your additional violin staff with
>
> \new Staff \with { \override VerticalAxisGroup #'remove-first = ##t }
>
> This way you should obtain what you want (I think).
>
> Cheers,
> Valentin
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> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:05:02 -0800 (PST)
> From: northofscotland 
> Subject: Re: Musica ficta
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>
> Thanks, but whilst the markup option will give a visual impression it won't
> translate into a midi and in a piece such as I am transcribing, there are
> roughly equal numbers of 'normal' ficta accidentals and bracketed
> accidentals, which makes for fairly tedious editing.
>
>
>
> Jonathan Kulp-2 wrote:
>   
>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 9:35 AM, northofscotland
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> I have been trying to force musica ficta accidentals into brackets, but
>>> the
>>> notation
>>>
>>> \set suggestAccidentals = ##t fs?
>>>
>>> seems to be ignored.  Is it me or Liliypond?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>> You can do it with a \markup, but you will probably have to adjust the
>> alignment and fontsize and whatnot:
>>
>> \relative c' {
>>   d e fis^\markup {[\sharp]} g
>> }
>>
>> Jon
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Re:Re: Divisi and unison staves, how to hide?

2010-03-13 Thread 胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng
Thank you very much. I ever thought about it, but all examples in NR I know are 
using this override in layout block. So I didn't know whether it can be used as 
this.
  So I suggest it should be added in the documentation.

Regards
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Re: Musica ficta

2010-03-13 Thread Aaron Dalton
On 13/03/2010 8:35 AM, northofscotland wrote:
> 
> I have been trying to force musica ficta accidentals into brackets, but the
> notation 
> 
> \set suggestAccidentals = ##t fs? 
> 
> seems to be ignored.  Is it me or Liliypond?
> 

I have 29 16th-century madrigals in which "\set suggestAccidentals =##t"
works just fine.  What do you mean when you say "seems to be ignored"?
Depending on your accidental style, you may need to add ! after the note
name:

GNU LilyPond 2.12.3
\set suggestAccidentals = ##t fis!4 \set suggestAccidentals = ##f

Cheers!
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Re: Musica ficta

2010-03-13 Thread Neil Puttock
On 13 March 2010 15:35, northofscotland  wrote:
>
> I have been trying to force musica ficta accidentals into brackets, but the
> notation
>
> \set suggestAccidentals = ##t fs?
>
> seems to be ignored.  Is it me or Liliypond?

LilyPond, though it should support this automatically.

Until it's fixed, try this:

\override AccidentalSuggestion #'parenthesized = ##t

Regards,
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Re: minimum-length does not work for DynamicTextSpanner

2010-03-13 Thread Neil Puttock
2010/3/13 Frédéric Bron :

> What can I do?

Read this:

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Spanners#Spanners

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Re: lilypond-glyphs in other programs

2010-03-13 Thread CJ Bell
> Example:
> The signs \natural \flat \sharp ...

Example:
The signs $\natural$ $\flat$ $\sharp$ ...

(whoops)


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Re: lilypond-glyphs in other programs

2010-03-13 Thread CJ Bell
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Stefan Thomas
 wrote:
> Dear community,
> I would like to use single signs  of the lilypond-font (e.g. the sharp-sign)
> in a text-programm, for example in open-office or in LaTex. I don't want to
> make musical examples, but single signs in text, I need it for the
> explanation of special symbols, like this way:
>>
>> The sign   % here I would like to input
>> lilypond's symbol for the quartertone-sharp
>>  a quarter-tone higher than the written note.
>
> Does someone know, how this can be done?

Latex already has some musical symbols defined.

Example:
The signs \natural \flat \sharp ...

You can find more symbols here:
http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathit/symbols-letter.pdf

Some symbols do seem to be lacking, like the treble clef.


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Re: Musica ficta

2010-03-13 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:22 AM, northofscotland
 wrote:
>
> Yes, I thought that may be the only way to do it since the 'obvious' Lilypond
> syntax seemed to stall.   I have tried to get into Scheme but I have always
> found it rather opaque, despite having some programming experience, and the
> information in the manuals doesn't seem to help (me) much.
>  Is there an 'idiot's' guide out there somewhere?

The "Scheme tutorial" from the 2.13 documentation might be helpful:

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/extending/scheme-tutorial

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Re: Musica ficta

2010-03-13 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi,

> Yes, I thought that may be the only way to do it since the 'obvious' Lilypond
> syntax seemed to stall.   I have tried to get into Scheme but I have always
> found it rather opaque, despite having some programming experience, and the
> information in the manuals doesn't seem to help (me) much. 
> Is there an 'idiot's' guide out there somewhere?

Probably -- someone else on the list would know better than I...

Cheers,
Kieren.

p.s. Here's what I got with a couple of seconds of [non-Scheme] hacking -- 
maybe it will give you some hints:

\version "2.13.13"

musicaFicta = {
  \once \override Voice.AccidentalCautionary #'extra-spacing-width = #'(+inf.0 
. -inf.0)
  \once \override Voice.AccidentalCautionary #'extra-offset = #'(1.8 . 2)
  \once \override Voice.AccidentalCautionary #'font-size = #-3
  \once \override Voice.AccidentalCautionary #'staff-padding = #3
}

\score {
  \relative { c' d e \musicaFicta fis? g c, cis \musicaFicta dis? e }
}

> 
> 
> 
> Kieren MacMillan wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>> Thanks, but whilst the markup option will give a visual impression it
>>> won't
>>> translate into a midi and in a piece such as I am transcribing, there are
>>> roughly equal numbers of 'normal' ficta accidentals and bracketed
>>> accidentals, which makes for fairly tedious editing.
>> 
>> Write a Scheme macro to take the "real" accidental and change the position
>> (from "beside-on-the-left" to "centred-above"), size, and
>> bracketification.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Kieren.
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Kulp-2 wrote:
 
 On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 9:35 AM, northofscotland
 wrote:
 
> 
> I have been trying to force musica ficta accidentals into brackets, but
> the
> notation
> 
> \set suggestAccidentals = ##t fs?
> 
> seems to be ignored.  Is it me or Liliypond?
> 
> 
> 
 You can do it with a \markup, but you will probably have to adjust the
 alignment and fontsize and whatnot:
 
 \relative c' {
 d e fis^\markup {[\sharp]} g
 }
 
 Jon
 -- 
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Re: Musica ficta

2010-03-13 Thread northofscotland

Yes, I thought that may be the only way to do it since the 'obvious' Lilypond
syntax seemed to stall.   I have tried to get into Scheme but I have always
found it rather opaque, despite having some programming experience, and the
information in the manuals doesn't seem to help (me) much. 
 Is there an 'idiot's' guide out there somewhere?



Kieren MacMillan wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> Thanks, but whilst the markup option will give a visual impression it
>> won't
>> translate into a midi and in a piece such as I am transcribing, there are
>> roughly equal numbers of 'normal' ficta accidentals and bracketed
>> accidentals, which makes for fairly tedious editing.
> 
> Write a Scheme macro to take the "real" accidental and change the position
> (from "beside-on-the-left" to "centred-above"), size, and
> bracketification.
> 
> Cheers,
> Kieren.
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jonathan Kulp-2 wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 9:35 AM, northofscotland
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 
 I have been trying to force musica ficta accidentals into brackets, but
 the
 notation
 
 \set suggestAccidentals = ##t fs?
 
 seems to be ignored.  Is it me or Liliypond?
 
 
 
>>> You can do it with a \markup, but you will probably have to adjust the
>>> alignment and fontsize and whatnot:
>>> 
>>> \relative c' {
>>>  d e fis^\markup {[\sharp]} g
>>> }
>>> 
>>> Jon
>>> -- 
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Re: Musica ficta

2010-03-13 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi,

> Thanks, but whilst the markup option will give a visual impression it won't
> translate into a midi and in a piece such as I am transcribing, there are
> roughly equal numbers of 'normal' ficta accidentals and bracketed
> accidentals, which makes for fairly tedious editing.

Write a Scheme macro to take the "real" accidental and change the position 
(from "beside-on-the-left" to "centred-above"), size, and bracketification.

Cheers,
Kieren.

> 
> 
> 
> Jonathan Kulp-2 wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 9:35 AM, northofscotland
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I have been trying to force musica ficta accidentals into brackets, but
>>> the
>>> notation
>>> 
>>> \set suggestAccidentals = ##t fs?
>>> 
>>> seems to be ignored.  Is it me or Liliypond?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> You can do it with a \markup, but you will probably have to adjust the
>> alignment and fontsize and whatnot:
>> 
>> \relative c' {
>>  d e fis^\markup {[\sharp]} g
>> }
>> 
>> Jon
>> -- 
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>> http://www.jonathankulp.com
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Re: Musica ficta

2010-03-13 Thread northofscotland

Thanks, but whilst the markup option will give a visual impression it won't
translate into a midi and in a piece such as I am transcribing, there are
roughly equal numbers of 'normal' ficta accidentals and bracketed
accidentals, which makes for fairly tedious editing.



Jonathan Kulp-2 wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 9:35 AM, northofscotland
> wrote:
> 
>>
>> I have been trying to force musica ficta accidentals into brackets, but
>> the
>> notation
>>
>> \set suggestAccidentals = ##t fs?
>>
>> seems to be ignored.  Is it me or Liliypond?
>>
>>
>>
> You can do it with a \markup, but you will probably have to adjust the
> alignment and fontsize and whatnot:
> 
> \relative c' {
>   d e fis^\markup {[\sharp]} g
> }
> 
> Jon
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Re: Divisi and unison staves, how to hide?

2010-03-13 Thread Valentin Villenave
2010/3/13 胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng :
>   At the beginning of the music, the 1st violin is divided into bracketed
> two parts to generate different harmonics. However, it becomes unis in the
> future, so I must prepare a separate violin I part. If I need to show all
> instruments at the beginning, then both violin I and the divided two parts
> are shown. If I use remove-empty = #f in all staves except violin I, then
> the result is ok. But all the other staves will never be hidden. I think
> Finale and Sibelius will not have this issue. How to solve this problem?

Greetings Haipeng,

You can just start your additional violin staff with

\new Staff \with { \override VerticalAxisGroup #'remove-first = ##t }

This way you should obtain what you want (I think).

Cheers,
Valentin


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Re: Musica ficta

2010-03-13 Thread Jonathan Kulp
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 9:35 AM, northofscotland
wrote:

>
> I have been trying to force musica ficta accidentals into brackets, but the
> notation
>
> \set suggestAccidentals = ##t fs?
>
> seems to be ignored.  Is it me or Liliypond?
>
>
>
You can do it with a \markup, but you will probably have to adjust the
alignment and fontsize and whatnot:

\relative c' {
  d e fis^\markup {[\sharp]} g
}

Jon
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Musica ficta

2010-03-13 Thread northofscotland

I have been trying to force musica ficta accidentals into brackets, but the
notation 

\set suggestAccidentals = ##t fs? 

seems to be ignored.  Is it me or Liliypond?

Thanks
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minimum-length does not work for DynamicTextSpanner

2010-03-13 Thread Frédéric Bron
I the following snippet, I would like the second c to be shifted to
the right so that there is enough space for the text crescendo.
minimum-length works fine with hairpin crescendo but not with dynamic
text spanner.
What can I do?
Frédéric

\version "2.12.2"
\relative c' {
\once \set crescendoText = \markup { \italic "cresc." }
\once \set crescendoSpanner = #'text
\once \override DynamicTextSpanner #'style = #'dashed-line
%I tried to add the following line but without success
%\once \override DynamicTextSpanner #'springs-and-rods = ##t
\once \override DynamicTextSpanner #'minimum-length = #20
%I tried also the following without success
%\once \override DynamicTextSpanner #'extra-X-extent = #'(0 . 20)
%I tried also the following without success
%\once \override DynamicTextSpanner #'minimum-X-extent = #'(0 . 20)
c4\< c\f c c
}


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Divisi and unison staves, how to hide?

2010-03-13 Thread 胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng
Hello,
  I have a problem with temporarily divisi desks (pult).
  At the beginning of the music, the 1st violin is divided into bracketed two 
parts to generate different harmonics. However, it becomes unis in the future, 
so I must prepare a separate violin I part. If I need to show all instruments 
at the beginning, then both violin I and the divided two parts are shown. If I 
use remove-empty = #f in all staves except violin I, then the result is ok. But 
all the other staves will never be hidden. I think Finale and Sibelius will not 
have this issue. How to solve this problem?

Regards
Haipeng

 



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Re: Tuplets with different note lenghts in bagpipe music

2010-03-13 Thread Marc Hohl

Erden Oguz schrieb:

Am 12.03.2010 um 20:36 schrieb Marc Hohl:

  

Erden Oguz schrieb:


Hello,

due to the real rhythmic expression of tuplets as played in Strathspeys in 
bagpipe music, I am trying to write down tuplets with different note lengths:

\times 2/3 { f16 [e16 c4] }
  


Hello Marc,

thank you for your reply. In fact, I described my problem in the wrong way. I'd 
like to have the Midi Output playing the above stated example, but the music 
score should be written in three even notes as a tuplet. My goal is to have the 
tuplets written evenly in the music sheet, but played more rhythmically as in 
the example above in Midi output.
  
Ah, I see. I had a similar problem (not with bagpipe music, but from the 
rhythmic point of view), and as far

as I can see, there are two possibilities:

either you provide a separate input file for midi output only and change 
the tuplets accordingly,
or you edit the midi file with a separate midi editor (rosegarden, for 
example) - this is what I did.


HTH,

Marc



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