Re: Zope programmer STILL needed.
> Hey, > > Anything School Sucks builds, is and will be released to open > source. We're willing to pay 15$/hour to have our specific designs done > and at a certain speed. > But as soon as we're done we plan on uploading our take on Zope to the rest > of the world for free use. > Aren't you giving up the the open source community help/experience too quickly? I do not know what your plans are but what about having it run on other HW architectures? And assuming that zope works on other OSs (does it?), are you going to test that too? Is your proj that good that it will be kept inside zope by the core zope developers without someone to make sure it will stay there? Since you will not tell us all what is it about, can you reveal your estimation for the time the programmer will have to work on the proj? Will he be the only programmer working on this? > At 08:50 PM 4/20/01 +0300, Omer Zak wrote: > > >On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Nimrod Simba Carmi wrote: > > > > > Hey, > > > > > > On one hand you're holding the flag of open source and free code. > > > >The fact that I am subscribed to the Linux-IL mailing list does not > >automatically imply that I am advocate of open source and free code. And > >the fact that I advocate of open source and free code does not > >automatically imply that I (or any other self-respecting programmer) would > >agree to work for someone else at the rates offered by Nimrod. I would > >rather work half time for full rate and work on my own pet open source > >project the other half of time. > > > > > And on the other hand, you're saying that uithout300 shekels an hour, > > > you're not gonna get off your ass. > > > >Get off my ass for Nimrod and to do things his way for only $15/hour? No, > >thanks. > > > > > You sound alot more like a Microsoft developer than a Linux developer. > > > >I sound like someone who makes a living from programming and expects to > >get paid for whatever work he is doing for payment. > > > > > If anyone is interested inimproving Zope and getting paid for it, give me > > > a buzz or email back (NOT to the whole list) > > > >My advice to Nimrod: form a consortium of companies, who need the same > >improvements for Zope, and have each company pay the developer a share of > >the developer's fee. Given hourly rate of $60/hour (for a good > >programmer) and consortium of 5 interested companies, the cost for each > >company will be only $12/hour, and I am sure Nimrod would be happy with > >this kind of expense. Nimrod would also gain the good reputation of > >having organized a consortium of sponsors for Zope improvements. > > > > --- Omer > >There is no IGLU Cabal. There is no consortium of sponsors either. > >WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > > > >= > >To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > >the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > >echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > =--= > Nimrod S. Carmi > School Sucks > http://www.schoolsucks.com > http://www.schoolsucks.co.il > Tel: +972-5123-9910 > Fax: +972-4651-4404 > > "... Have you heard the news? The dogs are dead! > You better stay home and do as you're told > Get out of the road if you wanna grow old!" > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Shaul Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RH7.1 permissions on SWAP file
Hi list, If you've upgraded to RedHat 7.1 and told the installer to increase your swap space using a swap file (as opposed to swap partition): Check the permissions on your swap file (e.g., '/SWAP'). If it's world-readable, you really want to 'chmod 600 /SWAP' Please send me your results (off list), so I can add a report to the relevant Bugzilla bug (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=36992). Regards, Eran Tromer = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Zope programmer STILL needed.
Good programmers, no matter what the platform or language, cost a lot of money. This doesn't mean that the most expensive programmer is necessarily the best one, but it's probably safe to say that someone who charges $15/hour isn't as good as someone who charges $150/hour. Also: The more unusual or advanced the platform, the harder it will be to find people, and the more those people will charge. Finding good, experienced Zope programmers for $15/hour thus strikes me as laughably out of touch with reality. There isn't any reason to think that free software is incompatible with highly paid software engineers. The "free" refers to what happens after the software is written, not to the cost of producing the software itself. There are some open-source projects that run on good faith and volunteerism alone, but most do not. Who pays the bills? The folks who realize that programming is hard, and that good programmers are expensive. (And that bad programmers might seem cheap, but will cost you so much in maintenance and instruction that it's not worthwhile.) Finally, a company that publicly promises to pay programmers under the table doesn't strike me as one with whom I would want to do business. (And yes, I contacted Nimrod about working with him on this project when he originally wrote to linux-il.) Reuven = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SAMBA problem
Hi On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Eran Levy wrote: > I had 2.0.6 version of Samba. I have uninstalled the samba packages annd > compiled the samba 2.2.0 RPM binary package. I have re-copied all the > smb.conf, ssmbpasswd and smbusers files to /etc/. This is a major version upgrade. Isn't there any UPGRADE document or something in the README about upgrading? If not, then you can use the sample config files as a form of documentation (at least the ones from samba are well-commented). Actually you probably should somehow merge your old config into that sample config (lasttime I upgraded squid I used emacs's ediff to merge my config with the .rpmnew config) (see below more about .rpmnew) > Then, I killed -HUP the smbd and nmbd daemons and now I cant see the share > directories from the Network Neighborhood from my windows machines. > I have looked in my logs and found: /var/log/samba/log.nmbd says: > > [2001/04/21 14:11:45, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:sig_term(65) > Got SIGTERM: going down... > [2001/04/21 14:15:03, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(794) > standard input is not a socket, assuming -D option > [2001/04/21 14:16:23, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:sig_hup(92) > Got SIGHUP dumping debug info. Did you give it SIGHUP again, or is this the kill -HUP you mention in your post? > [2001/04/21 14:16:23, 0] nmbd/nmbd_workgroupdb.c:dump_workgroups(292) > dump_workgroups() > dump workgroup on subnet 192.117.0.1: netmask= 255.255.255.0: >MYGROUP(1) current master browser = UNKNOWN >LILOBOOT 40019a03 (Samba Server) > > ** That means he couldnt find my group name and put the MYGROUP(1) and cant > find the master browser. I have copied the smb.conf file so why it cant > identify my Group name? > > At 03:17 21/04/01 +0300, you wrote: > >On 20 Apr 2001 21:12:58 +0200, Eran Levy wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have tried to update my samba 2.0.6 in RH 6.2 to the samba 2.2 RPM > > > package and I have got the some of the packages conflicts with the 2.2 > > > packages. why? Do I have to upgrade to 2.0.7 first before I upgrade to > > 2..2? > > > > > >You downloaded the binary rpm from samba.org, right? > >This RPM contain all the samba parts. > >On RH6.2 and almost all others, it is seperated to 3 RPMS > >common,client and server. > >Backup all your samba config files smb.conf,smbpasswd etc... ( you do > >regular backups, right?) > >Then manuly remove rpm -e samba-server samba-client samba-common. > >Then install the new RPM and move your config files back. > > > >I did this and no user even noticed. This means that you have uninstalled all the packages, and then istalled them. Also, if you had any package that depended on samba, it had to go as well. But you can Upgrade rpm packages, and keep part of your config. rpm -Uv samba-*.rpm (or any other way. The thing is that you have to upgrade all the packages in one rpm command, because rpm must keep the all the system's dependencies after the command is excuted. If you have changed any files of the package then they won't be lost (unlike the case of rpm -e). If the files you have chaned was marked as a config file, then the file replacing it from the new package will have a rpmnew extention. If the file is not marked as a config file then then new file from the package will override your old copy. But your copy won't be lost: it will be saved with the extention .rpmsave . It is a good idea not to leave .rpmnew and .rpmsave files lying around in your system, but to handle them immeditely (delete them, merge them, whatever). It is also a good idea to run 'slocate rpmnew' and 'slocate rpmsave' once in a while to see if you left such files. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mandrake 8.0 is out
> Hetz (and everybody else too), > IIRC, Mandrake+KDE has been your preferred combination. > Now, that 8.0 comes with GNOME-1.4 + Nautilus + Evolution etc., is it > still true? huh?? I like KDE (and sometimes, depends how weak is the machine - Window Maker), but definately not Mandrake. Sorry, but I consider their RPM's to be the most unstable thing in the Linux history. Sorry, it's from past experience, so don't start flame wars please. I'll take Redhat 7.1 any day for both as a workstation or as a server. If I don't have Redhat, then I preffer SuSE. > > BTW, what is the "kernel secure" mode? > What are exactly its extra features? > Buffer overflow protection? OpenWall or StackGuard? > Is it 2.4.3 too or 2.2.19? (I know the standard kernel of 8.0 is 2.4.3; > This question is about the "kernel secure" option). > > Thanks in advance, Good questions, I don't use Mandrake, so I donno ;) Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
the 2001 Ottawwa Linux Symposium
the third ottawwa linux symporium will take place this summer, July 25th- 28th, in ottawwa, canada. the official website is at http://www.linuxsymposium.org/, and you can read accounts from people who were there in previous years at http://www.advogato.org/article/275.html it looks incredibly cool, from a linux geek's point of view. anyone who wants to go this summer, please drop me a note... -- mulix http://www.advogato.com/person/mulix linux/reboot.h: #define LINUX_REBOOT_MAGIC1 0xfee1dead = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Zope programmer STILL needed.
NSC>> On one hand you're holding the flag of open source and free NSC>> code. And on the other hand, you're saying that uithout 300 NSC>> shekels an hour, you're not gonna get off your ass. You sound NSC>> alot more like a Microsoft developer than a Linux developer. That's bull. If you ask somebody to participate in OSS initiative, that's one thing. If you ask somebody to be a paid employee, that's another thing. I can donate some of my valuable time to worthy cause, like writing OSS software, on the terms that I can do it whenever I want and whatever I want and leave any moment. But that in no way means I want to work (be employed) for free or will work on the wage that I consider not enough compensation for my efforts. When I'm employed, I enter contractual relationship and take on myself some responsibilities. It has nothing to do with the fact that my employer gives away the product. Microsoft gives away MSIE too, so do you expect MSIE team to have their wages halved because of that? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev /\ Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-3-9316425/\ JRRT LotR. http://sharat.co.il/frodo/ whois:!SM8333 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SAMBA problem
Hi, I had 2.0.6 version of Samba. I have uninstalled the samba packages annd compiled the samba 2.2.0 RPM binary package. I have re-copied all the smb.conf, ssmbpasswd and smbusers files to /etc/. Then, I killed -HUP the smbd and nmbd daemons and now I cant see the share directories from the Network Neighborhood from my windows machines. I have looked in my logs and found: /var/log/samba/log.nmbd says: [2001/04/21 14:11:45, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:sig_term(65) Got SIGTERM: going down... [2001/04/21 14:15:03, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:main(794) standard input is not a socket, assuming -D option [2001/04/21 14:16:23, 0] nmbd/nmbd.c:sig_hup(92) Got SIGHUP dumping debug info. [2001/04/21 14:16:23, 0] nmbd/nmbd_workgroupdb.c:dump_workgroups(292) dump_workgroups() dump workgroup on subnet 192.117.0.1: netmask= 255.255.255.0: MYGROUP(1) current master browser = UNKNOWN LILOBOOT 40019a03 (Samba Server) ** That means he couldnt find my group name and put the MYGROUP(1) and cant find the master browser. I have copied the smb.conf file so why it cant identify my Group name? At 03:17 21/04/01 +0300, you wrote: >On 20 Apr 2001 21:12:58 +0200, Eran Levy wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have tried to update my samba 2.0.6 in RH 6.2 to the samba 2.2 RPM > > package and I have got the some of the packages conflicts with the 2.2 > > packages. why? Do I have to upgrade to 2.0.7 first before I upgrade to > 2..2? > > >You downloaded the binary rpm from samba.org, right? >This RPM contain all the samba parts. >On RH6.2 and almost all others, it is seperated to 3 RPMS >common,client and server. >Backup all your samba config files smb.conf,smbpasswd etc... ( you do >regular backups, right?) >Then manuly remove rpm -e samba-server samba-client samba-common. >Then install the new RPM and move your config files back. > >I did this and no user even noticed. > > > > > > > > >-- Regards, Eran Levy. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WebSite: http://come.to/liloboot = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Zope programmer STILL needed.
Hey Nadav and everyone, At 06:23 PM 4/20/01 +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: >:) >Free software developers like to program without getting paid because they >know they, and the entire world (hopefully), will benefit from what they are >doing. When you program *for* someone (i.e., somebody else is telling you what School Sucks will release everything when we're done -- the only reason we would like to pay is to get it done in our way, but t he whole world is gonna benefit for these things. On another note, the tax issue is irrelevant because we're offering to pay that under the table even if the programmer is interested in that. How many companies offer that? =--= Nimrod S. Carmi School Sucks http://www.schoolsucks.com http://www.schoolsucks.co.il Tel: +972-5123-9910 Fax: +972-4651-4404 "... Have you heard the news? The dogs are dead! You better stay home and do as you're told Get out of the road if you wanna grow old!" = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Zope programmer STILL needed.
Hey, Anything School Sucks builds, is and will be released to open source. We're willing to pay 15$/hour to have our specific designs done and at a certain speed. But as soon as we're done we plan on uploading our take on Zope to the rest of the world for free use. At 08:50 PM 4/20/01 +0300, Omer Zak wrote: >On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Nimrod Simba Carmi wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > On one hand you're holding the flag of open source and free code. > >The fact that I am subscribed to the Linux-IL mailing list does not >automatically imply that I am advocate of open source and free code. And >the fact that I advocate of open source and free code does not >automatically imply that I (or any other self-respecting programmer) would >agree to work for someone else at the rates offered by Nimrod. I would >rather work half time for full rate and work on my own pet open source >project the other half of time. > > > And on the other hand, you're saying that uithout300 shekels an hour, > > you're not gonna get off your ass. > >Get off my ass for Nimrod and to do things his way for only $15/hour? No, >thanks. > > > You sound alot more like a Microsoft developer than a Linux developer. > >I sound like someone who makes a living from programming and expects to >get paid for whatever work he is doing for payment. > > > If anyone is interested inimproving Zope and getting paid for it, give me > > a buzz or email back (NOT to the whole list) > >My advice to Nimrod: form a consortium of companies, who need the same >improvements for Zope, and have each company pay the developer a share of >the developer's fee. Given hourly rate of $60/hour (for a good >programmer) and consortium of 5 interested companies, the cost for each >company will be only $12/hour, and I am sure Nimrod would be happy with >this kind of expense. Nimrod would also gain the good reputation of >having organized a consortium of sponsors for Zope improvements. > > --- Omer >There is no IGLU Cabal. There is no consortium of sponsors either. >WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > >= >To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with >the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command >echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] =--= Nimrod S. Carmi School Sucks http://www.schoolsucks.com http://www.schoolsucks.co.il Tel: +972-5123-9910 Fax: +972-4651-4404 "... Have you heard the news? The dogs are dead! You better stay home and do as you're told Get out of the road if you wanna grow old!" = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
