XFS, ReiserFS, Ext2FS, Fat32
Hi, In case you missed it on /. here is a link to a benchmark about the different filesystems described in the subject line. Note taht the benchmark is in Spanish, but you can use babelfish or systrans to translate it to English. The article can be found here http://bulma.lug.net/body.phtml?nIdNoticia=626 Cheers, Yosi _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vgames
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 10:24:28PM +0300, Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo wrote: > TC>> Actually the latest news is that the newest nightly builds of mozilla > TC>> /should/ contain bidi support compiled in (haven't tried it yet. just read > TC>> a message in a newgroup). > > Does this mean there's a chance 0.9.[12] will have BiDi in? Can I > already order wine and candies to celebrate? :) Yes, BiDi support is available in the latest Nightly, along with numerous other enhancements which didn't make it into 0.9 (a new cooler version of Modern theme, IE-like offer to "search for" in the autocomplete popup etc.) Unfortunately, BiDi support is horribly buggy and kept crashing on trivial sites, unlike Konqueror. Crashes were especially common on Hebrew sites. We can all try and elevate those issues for main attention by downloading a Talkback-enabled version and sending every crash event we experience. Redundant is not bad here -- it actually just increases the importance of the same bug! As to KHTML (used by Konq), it's much more forgiving than Mozilla. Heck, it implements a 'document.all' object (for IE compatibility)! -- Best regards, Ilya Konstantinov = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vgames
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 10:36:25PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > blush. It's standard compliance never existed. And it has tag. > What's wrong with the tag? Exactly. That is EXACTLY what is wrong with the tag. Some benighted soul has the temerity to use the tag and not understand the depravity of the mechanism. Oh tempora, oh mores! -- ---MAV Linguists Do It Cunningly Marc A. Volovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vgames
> Calling this pile of crap "problematic browser" is a great mercy to it. It > never was out of beta. It's stability would make Microsoft BSOD division > blush. It's standard compliance never existed. And it has tag. What's wrong with the tag? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vgames
MR>> Unfortunately their site is rendered wrong in konqueror, but I'm MR>> not sure which side is buggy. I fear it's Konq. I saw a number of sites rendered OK with Mozilla but bad with Konq. Or Mozilla is very forgiving (which rises aquestion why Konq isn't), or Konq is buggy. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev /\ Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-3-9316425/\ JRRT LotR. http://sharat.co.il/frodo/ whois:!SM8333 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bidi support for Linux
small question has anybody aksed our cousins about what they are thinking? What are they doing? Maybe all arabic speakers had come with a good solution. and if we want to change the world, thinking about how a user will act, we must remember that hebrew is not the only bidirectional lenguage. (btw: I think the scroll lock sulutions of one of the best, it should be a secondary way to change the direction of heberw text writing). - diego = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vgames
TC>> Actually the latest news is that the newest nightly builds of mozilla TC>> /should/ contain bidi support compiled in (haven't tried it yet. just read TC>> a message in a newgroup). Does this mean there's a chance 0.9.[12] will have BiDi in? Can I already order wine and candies to celebrate? :) TC>> Netscape 4.x is indeed a problematic browser, with hebrew and with other TC>> issues. It has been under-developed for a couple of years now... Calling this pile of crap "problematic browser" is a great mercy to it. It never was out of beta. It's stability would make Microsoft BSOD division blush. It's standard compliance never existed. And it has tag. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev /\ Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-3-9316425/\ JRRT LotR. http://sharat.co.il/frodo/ whois:!SM8333 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bidi support for Linux
OK. I want to give a short summary of things the way I understand them: We need two sets of key bindings: 1. switch keymap This one is handled by the X server. This is because the server sends keysyms to programs, and thus the server has to translate keyboard clicks to symbols. Currently the control can be done either by telling the X server to capture certain key combinations (through key mapping) or by a program runing in the background that captures those bindings (as do kde2 and windowmaker). My view is thhat this one should be set to a relatively resonable default, and be made easily-modifiable by the user. At the moment there aren't any special problems in implementing this. This is the equivalent of Alt-shift in windows. 2. switch widget direction For some GUI widgets (mostly: input widgets) it is good if the user will have a convinient control over the base direction of the widget. This is like the control-shift combination in windows. Note that this must be handled by the widget, that is: the graphical toolkit. So in this case we would like that the various bidi-supporting toolkits (currently: qt, gtk, mozilla, java) will have a relatively consistent behaviour. It is expected that this one will be less configurable (I don't expect to be able to configure qt, gtk and mozilla easily. I don't even think about java), so here it is more important for the standard to be consistent. Bu note that this key-combination is less problematic, because emacs and other apps won't be affected by it (at elat not until we have a bidi-enbled emacs, and we want to use that combination in it too ;-) ) This will only interact with key combinations used by window managers etc. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bandwith sniffer
Try iptraf . Dani On Wed, 9 May 2001, Ronen Engler wrote: > > Hi, I'm interesting in a tool so i would be able to put on the linux firewall >internal ethernet segment, machine, which will be able to show me how much bandwith >is taken by each ip address, to where and the protocol type, so i would be able to >know who's killing my bandwith. > know any? using any? > thanks. > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vgames
On Thu, 10 May 2001, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > I also saw another site, http://www.mcc.co.il/, which insists to not work > > with Netscape (not just provide you a worse experience - it doesn't work at > > all giving you a message about). It tells you something like the following, > > in Hebrew (look at the actual site with Netscape for the original text): > > ( how do I chenge the browser ID in netscape 4.x? I had no problem > browsing it using lynx, so it probably looks in the browser-ID for > netscape) It gives the same error message when I try to view the site using Konqueror. worse - on my Mandrake 8.0, KDE 2.1.1, Konqueror crashes imidietly after rendering the message. Oded = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Vgames
> > I doubt it. I got Minibank from Mizrachi. It's got some > security stuff which is strict MS, and it is touted for Win 98 . > > (It screwed up something in my Win 2000 partition that > badly that I had to re-install, but that's another sad story.) > > Linux? I wonder if the folks at Mizrachi know what it is. > > I use Bank Hapoalim's, beside some Hebrew problem it works On > Netscape 4.76 > On RedHat 6.2 ( Whatever that means ) That's what community is for! Now Daniel can ask his bank for a decent service, because he can tell them that he has other options... = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vgames
Daniel Feiglin wrote: > Matan Ziv-Av wrote: > > > > > On the same subject - is there a bank in israel that's it's online > > banking (internet or direct modem connection) is usefull within linux? > > Matan Ziv-Av. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I doubt it. I got Minibank from Mizrachi. It's got some security stuff which is >strict MS, and it is touted for Win 98 . > (It screwed up something in my Win 2000 partition that badly that I had to >re-install, but that's another sad story.) > Linux? I wonder if the folks at Mizrachi know what it is. I use Bank Hapoalim's, beside some Hebrew problem it works On Netscape 4.76 On RedHat 6.2 ( Whatever that means ) --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vgames
Matan Ziv-Av wrote:
> On Thu, 10 May 2001, Chen Shapira wrote:
>
> > > (Added note for IGLU: I presume that I'm not the only who has
> > > to put up with this sort of crap ...)
> >
> > And Isracard requires IE 5.0 *and* 800x600 screen resolution to view credit
> > info through the net.
> >
> > Guys, I think we are a minority being ignored and harassed by companies.
> >
> > Should we start an awareness campaign?
>
> How about Cancelling your Isracard, ordering a Visa-cal instead, and
> telling isracard what you did and why?
> It should be more effective than an "awareness campaign".
>
> Visa-cal's site works OK with netscape, but unfortunately does not work
> with konqueror. I am not sure if it is a konqueror bug or site design
> bug yet.
>
> On the same subject - is there a bank in israel that's it's online
> banking (internet or direct modem connection) is usefull within linux?
>
> --
> Matan Ziv-Av. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I doubt it. I got Minibank from Mizrachi. It's got some security stuff which is strict
MS, and it is touted for Win 98 .
(It screwed up something in my Win 2000 partition that badly that I had to re-install,
but that's another sad story.)
Linux? I wonder if the folks at Mizrachi know what it is.
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Re: Vgames
Hi, On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 01:22:18PM +0300, Matan Ziv-Av wrote: [snip] > On the same subject - is there a bank in israel that's it's online > banking (internet or direct modem connection) is usefull within linux? I can connect to Bank Leumi with netscape on linux. The interface is English, but the content of the site is a 40% of Hebrew one. But in any case it is much better that Isracard :) Unfortunately their site is rendered wrong in konqueror, but I'm not sure which side is buggy. > > -- > Matan Ziv-Av. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Michael Rozhavsky Optical Access Senior Software Engineer Tel:+972-4-9936248 Fax:+972-4-9890564 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:www.opticalaccess.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vgames
On Thu, 10 May 2001, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Thu, May 10, 2001, Chen Shapira wrote about "RE: Vgames": > > > > > (Added note for IGLU: I presume that I'm not the only who has > > > to put up with this sort of crap ...) > > > > And Isracard requires IE 5.0 *and* 800x600 screen resolution to view credit > > info through the net. > > > > Guys, I think we are a minority being ignored and harassed by companies. > > > > Should we start an awareness campaign? > > I also saw another site, http://www.mcc.co.il/, which insists to not work > with Netscape (not just provide you a worse experience - it doesn't work at > all giving you a message about). It tells you something like the following, > in Hebrew (look at the actual site with Netscape for the original text): ( how do I chenge the browser ID in netscape 4.x? I had no problem browsing it using lynx, so it probably looks in the browser-ID for netscape) > > "Dear user, the new site of "chever" consumer club ltd. is an advanced content > site, which uses standard Hebrew representation only, and uses advanced > features of the broser. Since Netscape's products do not support standard > Hebrew and cannot perform certain advanced actions, and since Microsoft's > IE5.0 can be downloaded for free, and according to a survey this software > is used by most of the public (over 80%), this site can be viewed and used > using [only] IE5.x which you are invited to download and install on your > comuter. For your conveniencewe include a reference to a download site." Actually, their standard-compliance assumtion is a bit wrong: http://www.isoc.org.il/hebrew (that page used to also contain a link to the bdns461i: IBM's bidi-ed netscape 4.61) Actually the latest news is that the newest nightly builds of mozilla /should/ contain bidi support compiled in (haven't tried it yet. just read a message in a newgroup). Netscape 4.x is indeed a problematic browser, with hebrew and with other issues. It has been under-developed for a couple of years now... The question is whether all of their "advanced" content uses w3c standards, or MS-spesific standards. > > I was infuriated (actually, I think that was the intention of the guy that > sent it to me ;)). This kind of thinking is similar to the thinking of > companies who don't bother to be accessible to handicapped people, because > (let's face it) most people are not handicapped. I wrote a similar sign > which I suggest they should put on their building: > > "Dear user, the new building of Chever consumer club is an advanced building, > which uses a three dimensional structure to offer you more content. Because > certain wheelchairs do not support making use of the third dimension in > the _standard_ way (i.e., walking up a staircase), and because people in > weelchairs have relatives who can be sent instead (for free!) and because > our survey shows that legs are in use for most of the public (over 80%), > our building is usable for leg-users only. You are invited to install > mechanic legs - for your convenience we include a reference to a good > orthopedist". Not exactly a good analogy, because of the difficulty in obtaining and installing MSIE5 comparing to a mechanical leg (and now you should try explaining them why it is not availble for your spesific platform...) -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bidi support for Linux
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 01:04:35PM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: > It depends what you mean by #1: if you mean "switch language and the local > direction that goes with it", than you are not missing anything. But Ehud > wrote "Direction unchanged, Hebrew", etc., and in that case something was > missing (I thought your #2 was missing from his suggestion and he split > your #1 into two different bindings, but maybe I misunderstood). Hebrew cannot be inputted "direction-unchanged". As to the cursor marker being swapped, it's a purely cosmetic feature. In current GTK 1.3, it's swapped after you enter a single letter of an RTL language and swapped back with a single letter of an LTR language. I suggested Owen Taylor to make it detect the group changes, but it doesn't seem to be a high priority for now ... So I assume he meant the widget directionality. -- Best regards, Ilya Konstantinov = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Vgames
On Thu, 10 May 2001, Chen Shapira wrote: > > (Added note for IGLU: I presume that I'm not the only who has > > to put up with this sort of crap ...) > > And Isracard requires IE 5.0 *and* 800x600 screen resolution to view credit > info through the net. > > Guys, I think we are a minority being ignored and harassed by companies. > > Should we start an awareness campaign? How about Cancelling your Isracard, ordering a Visa-cal instead, and telling isracard what you did and why? It should be more effective than an "awareness campaign". Visa-cal's site works OK with netscape, but unfortunately does not work with konqueror. I am not sure if it is a konqueror bug or site design bug yet. On the same subject - is there a bank in israel that's it's online banking (internet or direct modem connection) is usefull within linux? -- Matan Ziv-Av. [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vgames
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 01:00:03PM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: > Ooof!!! I do understand them in preferring to work with Logical Hebrew only. In fact, what they're doing is more analogous putting a guard at the entrance, preventing handicapped people from entering. Not to imply Linux users are handicapped :) Actually, we don't have to go and search for small Hebrew sites. Try http://www.harrypotter.com, owned by no other than Warner Brothers. Especially try it from Mozilla or Konqueror. Notice the page offers you no way to proceed further. I have no problem with using advanced features. I do have a problem with sites thinking (rather close-minded) they know what's good for me. -- Best regards, Ilya Konstantinov = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bidi support for Linux
On Thu, May 10, 2001, Ilya Konstantinov wrote about "Re: Bidi support for Linux": > On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 11:36:53PM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: > > By the way, I think there is another that some key combination we need > > to do: switch the main direction of the current widget. > > Isn't this what we're talking about all the time, discussing the > LeftCtrl-Shift combo? > > There should be two keybindings: > 1. Switch languages. > 2. Switch widget BiDi directionality (left-aligned or right-aligned). > > Is there anything I'm missing? It depends what you mean by #1: if you mean "switch language and the local direction that goes with it", than you are not missing anything. But Ehud wrote "Direction unchanged, Hebrew", etc., and in that case something was missing (I thought your #2 was missing from his suggestion and he split your #1 into two different bindings, but maybe I misunderstood). -- Nadav Har'El| Thursday, May 10 2001, 17 Iyyar 5761 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Just remember that if the world didn't http://nadav.harel.org.il |suck, we would all fall off. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 2.1.2 and RedHat 6.2
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 06:06:45AM -, Yosi wrote: > Hi, > > I noticed that the Iglu ftp site carries rpm for RedHat 7.1 . Are there any > plans to release a version of this RPMS for RedHat 6.2? Currently, we simply mirror ftp.kde.org, and it seems to carry 7.1 only. We might go into the effort to mirror 6.2 RPMs too, if you could atleast point us to some place which reliably hosts and provides them. -- Best regards, Ilya Konstantinov = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vgames
On Thu, May 10, 2001, Chen Shapira wrote about "RE: Vgames": > > > (Added note for IGLU: I presume that I'm not the only who has > > to put up with this sort of crap ...) > > And Isracard requires IE 5.0 *and* 800x600 screen resolution to view credit > info through the net. > > Guys, I think we are a minority being ignored and harassed by companies. > > Should we start an awareness campaign? I also saw another site, http://www.mcc.co.il/, which insists to not work with Netscape (not just provide you a worse experience - it doesn't work at all giving you a message about). It tells you something like the following, in Hebrew (look at the actual site with Netscape for the original text): "Dear user, the new site of "chever" consumer club ltd. is an advanced content site, which uses standard Hebrew representation only, and uses advanced features of the broser. Since Netscape's products do not support standard Hebrew and cannot perform certain advanced actions, and since Microsoft's IE5.0 can be downloaded for free, and according to a survey this software is used by most of the public (over 80%), this site can be viewed and used using [only] IE5.x which you are invited to download and install on your comuter. For your convenience we include a reference to a download site." I was infuriated (actually, I think that was the intention of the guy that sent it to me ;)). This kind of thinking is similar to the thinking of companies who don't bother to be accessible to handicapped people, because (let's face it) most people are not handicapped. I wrote a similar sign which I suggest they should put on their building: "Dear user, the new building of Chever consumer club is an advanced building, which uses a three dimensional structure to offer you more content. Because certain wheelchairs do not support making use of the third dimension in the _standard_ way (i.e., walking up a staircase), and because people in weelchairs have relatives who can be sent instead (for free!) and because our survey shows that legs are in use for most of the public (over 80%), our building is usable for leg-users only. You are invited to install mechanic legs - for your convenience we include a reference to a good orthopedist". Ooof!!! -- Nadav Har'El| Thursday, May 10 2001, 17 Iyyar 5761 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |"How could we possibly use sex to get http://nadav.harel.org.il |what we want? Sex IS what we want!" Fraser = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bidi support for Linux
On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 11:36:53PM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: > By the way, I think there is another that some key combination we need > to do: switch the main direction of the current widget. Isn't this what we're talking about all the time, discussing the LeftCtrl-Shift combo? There should be two keybindings: 1. Switch languages. 2. Switch widget BiDi directionality (left-aligned or right-aligned). Is there anything I'm missing? -- Best regards, Ilya Konstantinov = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Vgames
> (Added note for IGLU: I presume that I'm not the only who has > to put up with this sort of crap ...) And Isracard requires IE 5.0 *and* 800x600 screen resolution to view credit info through the net. Guys, I think we are a minority being ignored and harassed by companies. Should we start an awareness campaign? Thanks, Chen Shapira. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vgames
Internet-Gold Service wrote: > Dear Surfer, Please click on the attached file to view this message. Internet Gold >Team (Attached file, index.html contains gobbeldygook.) Dear Sir, My workstation runs under Linux using a Netscape browser without Hebrew support. Please send clear text messages in English only! (Yes, I know that you don't "support" Linux, but let me remind you, that English is not a specifically Linux product, and you may use it without unduly upsetting Microsoft.) Regards, Daniel Feiglin (Added note for IGLU: I presume that I'm not the only who has to put up with this sort of crap ...) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux certifications in israel
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > which linux certification test can you take in israel? > > is RHCE one of them? Don't IBM run RHCE or other certification programs? With all their Linux drive, I'd suggest asking them. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I'd rather write programs to write programs than write programs." = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
