Re: Bank Leumi site lack of adherence to web standards
Matan Ziv-Av wrote: > I find it extremely hard to believe that CrossOver Office does > anything easier than winetools. It's a difficult statement. When winetools works, it works great. If you got winetools to install IE for you, don't expect CXOffice to be any better. The problem is that it doesn't always work. It tends to recommend certain versions of Wine, and those are not always easy to get (unless you're prepared to pull them from CVS). On the other hand, CXOffice is compiled without BiDi support. This is due, in large part, to the fact that crucial cleanup work on the Wine Bidi was not done, which resulted in Bidi carrying dependencies that Codeweavers simply would not pay for their product. Many distribution wine packages do carry Bidi enabled wine, and if you compile your own you can, naturally, also make sure Bidi is compiled. In any case, this doesn't matter as much for Hebrew in IE, as IE does most of it's own Bidi anyways. As for payment for CXOffice: First, a bit of full disclosure. Lingnu, my company, is the Israeli distributer of the software. I don't think it changes the validity of what I say much, because, unless you're getting your VAT back, it will be cheaper to buy CXOffice from the codeweavers web site (and, yes, we do give a 10% discount to "hamakor" members). As for the actual facts. While CXOffice does contain fixes not available inside Wine itself (typically because they are ugly hacks and Alexandre won't have them in the Wine tree), it is my experience that this is not the reason that CXOffice works where Wine sometimes fails. This has more to do with picking the right version. What I suggest is this. Allocate the amount of money you want to spend on this issue. Try winetools first. If it works for you, do donate the equivalent amount by going to http://winehq.org and clicking the "donate" button. If winetools doesn't do the job for you, either buy CXOffice (from Lingnu or directly from the codeweavers site), or hack it until it does. I hope I've helped. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bank Leumi site lack of adherence to web standards
MZ>> Installing wine and winetools on Fedora core is simple with apt, yum MZ>> or synaptic. Installing internet explorer is then just five button MZ>> clicks on winetools GUI. I tried today to install IE on Wine on FC4. For starters, there are about 5 ways to install it. I tried winetools way, and it didn't work. I tried various hacky ways which were described on the sites posted recently - it didn't work either. I tried ies4linux way - it worked, but IE didn't show hebrew in normal way (and since most of the sites that I need and are IE-only are Israeli sites this makes it close to useless for me) - it shows in reverse and in some weird fonts. I tried all ways of installing fonts I could find - copied them in .wine/c/windows/fonts, in /usr/share/wine/fonts and where not - nothing changed, hebrew broken. Anybody knows how to fix it? I tried looking up but none of the advices I found - like copying fonts, etc. - helped much. Anybody knows a fix for it? MZ>> How much simpler can CXOffice be? I didn't use it, but I tried installing wine, so I can say there's definitely some space for improvement. You know, like I install it and it works - some apps do that :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev /\ Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-54-6524945 /\ JRRT LotR. whois:!SM8333 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bank Leumi site lack of adherence to web standards
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Amos Shapira wrote: On 4/11/06, Matan Ziv-Av <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Aviram Jenik wrote: Dov - it's worth investing the 40$ or so in CrossOver Office (you can buy from Shachar if you want a local distributor) - I use it to access Bank Hamizrahi and the money funds development on Wine. Why spend the money to run IE? wine does that just fine. Because the code is free - your time isn't (*) I find it extremely hard to believe that CrossOver Office does anything easier than winetools. Start believing, then. CrossOver Ofice 4 Just Works(TM) for me with IE 6 since end of 2004 while trying to install latest Wine versions to test MSN massenger, Skype or Google Earth broke everything down, apparently including CXoffice. Now I'm stuck with a non-working CXoffice and a non-working Wine and no time to fix this. I hope when I get back home next week I'll be able to just remove everything, re-install CXoffice and get my hated IE6 back. Besides, again, I see my payment for CXoffice license as a partial donation which supports the Wine project. I started believing, and then stopped. Installing wine and winetools on Fedora core is simple with apt, yum or synaptic. Installing internet explorer is then just five button clicks on winetools GUI. How much simpler can CXOffice be? -- Matan Ziv-Av. [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bank Leumi site lack of adherence to web standards
On 4/11/06, Matan Ziv-Av <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Aviram Jenik wrote: > > >>> Dov - it's worth investing the 40$ or so in CrossOver Office (you can buy > >>> from Shachar if you want a local distributor) - I use it to access Bank > >>> Hamizrahi and the money funds development on Wine. > >> > >> Why spend the money to run IE? wine does that just fine. > > > > Because the code is free - your time isn't (*) > > I find it extremely hard to believe that CrossOver Office does anything > easier than winetools. Start believing, then. CrossOver Ofice 4 Just Works(TM) for me with IE 6 since end of 2004 while trying to install latest Wine versions to test MSN massenger, Skype or Google Earth broke everything down, apparently including CXoffice. Now I'm stuck with a non-working CXoffice and a non-working Wine and no time to fix this. I hope when I get back home next week I'll be able to just remove everything, re-install CXoffice and get my hated IE6 back. Besides, again, I see my payment for CXoffice license as a partial donation which supports the Wine project. (Hopefully the fact that I use Debian will help me in the cleanup) --Amos "Everybody should believe in something, I believe I'll have another drink". To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bank Leumi site lack of adherence to web standards
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Aviram Jenik wrote: Dov - it's worth investing the 40$ or so in CrossOver Office (you can buy from Shachar if you want a local distributor) - I use it to access Bank Hamizrahi and the money funds development on Wine. Why spend the money to run IE? wine does that just fine. Because the code is free - your time isn't (*) I find it extremely hard to believe that CrossOver Office does anything easier than winetools. -- Matan Ziv-Av. [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Bank Leumi site lack of adherence to web standards
Here are a few links I have. Didn't try them though: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_Internet_Explorer_6_SP1 http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.html http://www.whatsup.org.il/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=24123&highlight=iexplore&sid=db2f 2bd1b093f6a7f484da399dcd http://ieview.mozdev.org/ Enjoy, and don't waste time :) (And tell us how it went). Regards, tzahi. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aviram Jenik > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:28 AM > To: Matan Ziv-Av > Cc: Israel Linux Mailing list > Subject: Re: Bank Leumi site lack of adherence to web standards > > On Monday 10 April 2006 23:32, Matan Ziv-Av wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Amos Shapira wrote: > > > > > > Dov - it's worth investing the 40$ or so in CrossOver > Office (you can buy > > > from Shachar if you want a local distributor) - I use it > to access Bank > > > Hamizrahi and the money funds development on Wine. > > > > Why spend the money to run IE? wine does that just fine. > > Because the code is free - your time isn't (*) > > - Aviram > > > (*) http://www.codefidence.com/ I'm not affiliated with > Codefidence - I just > think the tag line is awesome. > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
