Re: Whoa Nelly! GF4-MultiScreen kills machine with X

2003-07-10 Thread Ian Stephen
On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 13:58, Matthew Carpenter wrote:
> How are Maximized windows handled?  Do they maximize one screen or both?

Maximizing a window fits it to whichever physical display it is in.  

Impress presentations misbehave a bit though.  I have to set their
slideshow type to "window".  If the type is left as "default" they span
both monitors.

I can drag maximized windows from one monitor to the other.  Find it
annoying now when I'm on an MS Windows machine and have to un-maximize
before I can drag a window.
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Re: Home Network Connections

2003-07-10 Thread Tom Lombardo


David,

Thank you so much for your time!

The firewall feature on XP was already disabled.  Here are the settings:

DESKTOP
IP Address 192.168.2.2
Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway 192.168.2.1
DHCP Server 192.168.2.1
DNS Server 192.168.2.1
Router
IP Address 192.168.2.1
Subnet Mask - I couldn't find this listed anywhere
Thinking I understood where you are going with this, I tried re-setting 
everything on the laptop to match these numbers, but it still didn't 
work (although I don't know what I'm doing so I may have missed 
something).  I also tried leaving everything on "auto" so it would 
detect settings on its own, but that didn't work either.

I really appreciate your help!

David A. Bandel wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:35:51 -0700
Tom Lombardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I am trying to get my laptop, running RedHat Linux 8, to connect to my
desktop, running Windows XP, both of which are attached to my Dell
router.  The desktop is attached with a cable, and the laptop is 
connected with a wireless card.


Please tell us the IP/netmask of each interface (router and systems)


I can ping the router from my laptop just fine, and I can connect to
the Internet as well (thanks to Fourmun, who replied to an earlier
post to this excellent newsgroup). 


Note:  XP has a "firewall" "feature" you may need to disable.  Sometimes
XP outsmarts itself.

But I can't get the laptop to connect to the desktop so I can back up
files and use the printer.  I am using KDE and Konqueror, and I've
gone through the LISa set-up.  The network's name is "earthfirst" and
the router's name is "my.router" and the desktop's name is "DESKTOP". 
When I type in "lan://earthfirst" or "lan://my.router" or
"lan://DESKTOP" in Konqueror or in the terminal window command line,
the laptop can't connect.  I mention all of this becuase I think it is
relevant.


Let's get TCP working first.  NetBEUI is braindead and needs help, but
won't work at all if the TCP/IP stack/routing is hosed.

Also, the "route" command does not work in my Linux terminal window,
so I can't check to see what the laptop sees. When I type "route man"
in the terminal I get the manual page for "route", but when I try to
run the "route" command I get a "bash: route: command not found"
error.  This has happened to me before, where a command will show up
in the manual but it won't run when I try to use it.  That seems weird
to me.


Try running it as root or using a full path /sbin/route -n


If you have any suggestions as to how I can get my laptop to write
files on the desktop and use the printer, I would be very grateful.
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Re: Home Network Connections

2003-07-10 Thread Tom Lombardo
David,

Thank you so much for your time!

The firewall feature on XP was already disabled.  Here are the settings:

DESKTOP
IP Address 192.168.2.2
Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway 192.168.2.1
DHCP Server 192.168.2.1
DNS Server 192.168.2.1
Router
IP Address 192.168.2.1
Subnet Mask - I couldn't find this listed anywhere
Thinking I understood where you are going with this, I tried re-setting 
everything on the laptop to match these numbers, but it still didn't 
work (although I don't know what I'm doing so I may have missed 
something).  I also tried leaving everything on "auto" so it would 
detect settings on its own, but that didn't work either.

I really appreciate your help!

David A. Bandel wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:35:51 -0700
Tom Lombardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I am trying to get my laptop, running RedHat Linux 8, to connect to my
desktop, running Windows XP, both of which are attached to my Dell
router.  The desktop is attached with a cable, and the laptop is 
connected with a wireless card.


Please tell us the IP/netmask of each interface (router and systems)


I can ping the router from my laptop just fine, and I can connect to
the Internet as well (thanks to Fourmun, who replied to an earlier
post to this excellent newsgroup). 


Note:  XP has a "firewall" "feature" you may need to disable.  Sometimes
XP outsmarts itself.

But I can't get the laptop to connect to the desktop so I can back up
files and use the printer.  I am using KDE and Konqueror, and I've
gone through the LISa set-up.  The network's name is "earthfirst" and
the router's name is "my.router" and the desktop's name is "DESKTOP". 
When I type in "lan://earthfirst" or "lan://my.router" or
"lan://DESKTOP" in Konqueror or in the terminal window command line,
the laptop can't connect.  I mention all of this becuase I think it is
relevant.


Let's get TCP working first.  NetBEUI is braindead and needs help, but
won't work at all if the TCP/IP stack/routing is hosed.

Also, the "route" command does not work in my Linux terminal window,
so I can't check to see what the laptop sees. When I type "route man"
in the terminal I get the manual page for "route", but when I try to
run the "route" command I get a "bash: route: command not found"
error.  This has happened to me before, where a command will show up
in the manual but it won't run when I try to use it.  That seems weird
to me.


Try running it as root or using a full path /sbin/route -n


If you have any suggestions as to how I can get my laptop to write
files on the desktop and use the printer, I would be very grateful.
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Re: Wierd sound error message (was: Re: Freeze while CD burning onRH 8.0 (2.4.20-18.8)

2003-07-10 Thread ronnie gauthier
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:03:27 -0700 (PDT) - Susan Macchia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote the following
Re: Re: Wierd sound error message (was: Re: Freeze while CD burning on RH 8.0
(2.4.20-18.8)

You turn it on/off in the bios settings. When I had my problems all awas fine
but when using the CD the mouse conflicted. I would do the modprobe crap and it
would work until the next reboot then I would have to go through the crap
again. I (in my newbie ignorance) had many reboots until I figured out that PNP
and ISA cards dont work worth a darn.


>Ok, so now a *really* dump question (remember I am a software geek - not
>hardware!): how do I know if I have pnp enabled?  And, if I can find that facet
>out, should I (and how/should I) disable it ?
>
>Really! TIA bigtime here - I am out of my element.
> 
> rRonnie gauthie wrote:
>> Thats why I asked if you had PNP enabled. If you do then on a reboot it is
>> possible that the IRQ would change and maybe a conflict could develop that
>was
>> not present before. Only reason I mention it is that I have a linux box that
>is
>> old, been through many died and swapped out parts. One thing that has stayed
>> constant with the box is a SB 32AWE. Every time I have installed a new
>distro,
>> and at times some upgrades, have played hell getting the card to work
>
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Re: [OT] Drive geometry question

2003-07-10 Thread Norbert Augenstein
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 06:26:04PM -0400, Bill Davidson wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:36:22 -0400 (EDT)
> Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Bill Davidson wrote:
> > > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:37:44 -0400 (EDT)
> > > Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Bill Davidson wrote:
> > > > > I decided to install FreeBSD and give it a try. My drive
> > > > > geometry is set to 193821 cyls/63 sectors/16 heads. FreeBSD's
> > > > > fdisk says that's
> > > >
> > > > Where are you reading that geometry?
> > >
> > > That's what FreeBSD reports to find. I also get that from linux
> > > fdisk. I just don't understand what will happen if I partition the
> > > drive using a different geometry, or if it even matters.
> > 
> > No, i meant the geometry that you think it should be compared to the
> > gemoetry that FreeBSD thinks it should be.
> 
> Here are the recommended settings from the western digital website for
> this drive model:
> 16383 cyls/63 sectors/16 heads
> 
This is the 8GB limit
16383*16*63*512/2^20=8063MB 
all drives lager 8GB are labled with these values.

your disk has a physical capacity of
193821*16*63*512/2^20=95396MB

and FreeBSD uses 
12161*255*63*512/2^20=95393MB

you will see this 3MB marked as "unused" in the FreeBSD fdisk.

(512 = bytes per sector and 2^20(=1MB) makes the result appear in MB)


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Re: resolving issue

2003-07-10 Thread ronnie gauthier
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:39:43 -0400 - Matthew Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
the following
Re: resolving issue

Thanks. Just had to make sure I was remembering it right, been about three
years since I did ISP stuff. The host has it hosed somewhere, I can access via
ftp with ftp.skylap.com and the user/pass so I am thinking that the user has
been set up properly but that the hosts DNS entry for surprisewinner.com is
typo'd or nonexistant. You'd think they would check that kinda stuff a bit
closer, especially after they typoed the original setup as "surprizewinner.com".

I keep telling him those cheap hosts are like two buck chuck. You get what
you pay for.

Thanks
Ronnie 

>That is correct
>
>
>mgc:/home/aiu1411 # dig surprisewinner.com
>
>; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> surprisewinner.com
>;; global options:  printcmd
>;; Got answer:
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Re: resolving issue

2003-07-10 Thread ronnie gauthier
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:41:37 -0400 (EDT) - Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote the following
Re: Re: resolving issue

>On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, ronnie gauthier wrote:
>> I'm trying to help a friend out on his web hoster.
>>
>> A domain is pointed from a registar to a hosting agents DNS servers, the DNS
>> servers are correct, I checked.
>> The host claims to have the proper entries in their DNS server.
>>
>> If I set the nslookup server to the hosts main DNS server then query the
>domain> name in question, I should get returned the IP from the hosters DNS, no
>matter> if the registar DNS has fully propagated or not. In other words, if the
>hoster> has DNS records correct I should never receive the following from
>nslookup>
>> > www.surprisewinner.com
>> Server: ns1.skylap.com
>> Address:207.44.216.141#53
>>
>> ** server can't find www.surprisewinner.com: SERVFAIL
>
>No, that error means that ns1.skylap.com isn't serving DNS information.
>Either its not a DNS server, or its broken.  www.surprisewinner.com also
>doesn't appear to be a valid domain, however.
>
>-- 
>
The server is returning the info.
: SERVFAIL means it cant find the domian
: NXDOMAIN means there is no domain

Upon query the ns1.skylap.com server returns correctly for other domains I know
are valid. Just not for a domain they host and claim is setup and working.

Thanks
Ronnie
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Re: Wierd sound error message (was: Re: Freeze while CD burning onRH 8.0 (2.4.20-18.8)

2003-07-10 Thread Susan Macchia
Ok, so now a *really* dump question (remember I am a software geek - not
hardware!): how do I know if I have pnp enabled?  And, if I can find that facet
out, should I (and how/should I) disable it ?

Really! TIA bigtime here - I am out of my element.
 
 rRonnie gauthie wrote:
> Thats why I asked if you had PNP enabled. If you do then on a reboot it is
> possible that the IRQ would change and maybe a conflict could develop that
was
> not present before. Only reason I mention it is that I have a linux box that
is
> old, been through many died and swapped out parts. One thing that has stayed
> constant with the box is a SB 32AWE. Every time I have installed a new
distro,
> and at times some upgrades, have played hell getting the card to work
correctly
> with lots of IRQ conflicts. And they lock it up tight.
> 
> Ronnie
> 
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:02:10 -0700 (PDT) - Susan Macchia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote the following
> Re: Wierd sound error message (was: Re: Freeze while CD burning on RH 8.0
> (2.4.20-18.8)
> 
> >But why would there be a conflict now, when there wasn't one before?  I've
> >changed no hardware other then memory and have been runing RH 8.0 since it
was
> >intially released.
> >
> > ronnie gauthier wrote:
> >
> >> Try unloading and reloading via82xxx_audio. I tried to help a friend in
our
> >user
> >> group a while back and they had that problem with a via chipset, a SB live
> >and
> >> RH7x maybe 7.2 IIRC. When I seached google a lot of people had the same
> >driver
> >> problem. We fixed it by installing W2000( not my idea!). You could also
try
> >> using the alsa drivers.
> >> 
> >



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Re: Wierd sound error message (was: Re: Freeze while CD burning onRH 8.0 (2.4.20-18.8)

2003-07-10 Thread ronnie gauthier
Thats why I asked if you had PNP enabled. If you do then on a reboot it is
possible that the IRQ would change and maybe a conflict could develop that was
not present before. Only reason I mention it is that I have a linux box that is
old, been through many died and swapped out parts. One thing that has stayed
constant with the box is a SB 32AWE. Every time I have installed a new distro,
and at times some upgrades, have played hell getting the card to work correctly
with lots of IRQ conflicts. And they lock it up tight.

Ronnie

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 18:02:10 -0700 (PDT) - Susan Macchia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote the following
Re: Wierd sound error message (was: Re: Freeze while CD burning on RH 8.0
(2.4.20-18.8)

>But why would there be a conflict now, when there wasn't one before?  I've
>changed no hardware other then memory and have been runing RH 8.0 since it was
>intially released.
>
> ronnie gauthier wrote:
>
>> Try unloading and reloading via82xxx_audio. I tried to help a friend in our
>user
>> group a while back and they had that problem with a via chipset, a SB live
>and
>> RH7x maybe 7.2 IIRC. When I seached google a lot of people had the same
>driver
>> problem. We fixed it by installing W2000( not my idea!). You could also try
>> using the alsa drivers.
>> 
>
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Re: Freeze while CD burning on RH 8.0 (2.4.20-18.8)

2003-07-10 Thread Tim Wunder
On Thursday 10 July 2003 8:56 pm, someone claiming to be Susan Macchia wrote:
> On 7/10/2003, Tim Wunder wrote:
> > On 7/10/2003 11:23 AM, someone claiming to be Susan Macchia wrote:

> > >
> > > I use gcombust (version 0.1.57).  cdrecord is version 1.10-14
> >
> > I haven't had any issues burning under RHL 8.0, but I don't believe I've
> > burned anything since the last kernel upgrade via RHN...
> > That said, my version of cdrecord is more current than yours.
> >
> > $ cdrecord --version
> > Cdrecord 1.11a39 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg
> > Schilling $ rpm -qf /usr/bin/cdrecord
> > cdrtools-cdrecord-1.11a39-1
>
> Well that's wierd, I've updated EVERYTHING except for mozilla & pilot-link
> (which I do myself, because I want the latest).  How could I have missed
> that? I searched RHN for cdrecord and it returned the same rpm that I
> already have. Did you upgrade cdrecord on your own?  When I went to the
> cdrecord website, there is only verson 1.10 and 2.* available for d/l...
>

I really can't remember. Coulda been rawhide SRPMs I rebuilt and installed 
because arson, or k3b, or cdbakeoven needed a more current version of 
cdrtools. Had I built them from scratch, I wouldn't have separate cdrtools-* 
RPMs, just one cdrtools RPM (made with chackinstall).

The date of the RPMs I have is November 12, 2002; which would explain my 
inability to remember details concerning them...

If I were to bet, I'd say I installed them from SRPM. Why I filed them in my 
up2date archive directory, I don't know...

Sorry I can't be of more help :-(

Tim

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Wierd sound error message (was: Re: Freeze while CD burning on RH8.0 (2.4.20-18.8)

2003-07-10 Thread Susan Macchia
But why would there be a conflict now, when there wasn't one before?  I've
changed no hardware other then memory and have been runing RH 8.0 since it was
intially released.

 ronnie gauthier wrote:

> Try unloading and reloading via82xxx_audio. I tried to help a friend in our
user
> group a while back and they had that problem with a via chipset, a SB live
and
> RH7x maybe 7.2 IIRC. When I seached google a lot of people had the same
driver
> problem. We fixed it by installing W2000( not my idea!). You could also try
> using the alsa drivers.
> 
> A lockup like that sounds like a possible IRQ conflict. Is PNP enabled?
> 
> Ronnie
> 
> [snip]
> >> > Do you think that the version of cdtools is incompatible?  I have done
> >stock
> >> > upgrades as I have no time for "roll your own".  I've had to boot into
an
> >> > earlier kernel (2.4.18-27.8.0), so that I can burn CDs but now I see the
> >> > following error at the console (and in /var/log/messages):
> >> >
> >> > Jul 10 00:59:45 gandalf kernel: via82cxxx: timeout while reading AC97
codec
> >> > (0x9A)
> >> 
> >> That looks like sound related stuff to me.
> >
> >Hmm, I am able to play sound with no problem (realplay, xmms, etc) - and
when I
> >probe /proc, I see that my sound card is a VIA82C686 AC97, so via82cxxx must
be
> >the module (its actually via82cxxx_audio).  I only started seeing this after
> >updating the kernal to 2.4.20 & running the old one because of the cd
burning
> >problems (of course I have't run long enough on the new kernel to really
see). 
> >When I have time, I'll have to try out the various combos to see...

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Re: Freeze while CD burning on RH 8.0 (2.4.20-18.8)

2003-07-10 Thread Susan Macchia
On 7/10/2003, Tim Wunder wrote:
> On 7/10/2003 11:23 AM, someone claiming to be Susan Macchia wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Net Llama wrote:
> > 
> >>On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Susan Macchia wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi all,
> >>>
> >>>I have been keeping my RH 8.0 system up to date using the RHN services.  I
> >>>recently upgraded the kernel to 2.4.20-18.8, but when I try and burn a cd
> > 
> > under
> > 
> >>>that kernel, the system locks up - I mean freeze, no rsh, telnet, nada.
> >>>/var/log/messages tells me nothing.
> >>
> >>What command are you using to burn cds?
> > 
> > 
> > I use gcombust (version 0.1.57).  cdrecord is version 1.10-14
> > 
> 
> I haven't had any issues burning under RHL 8.0, but I don't believe I've 
> burned anything since the last kernel upgrade via RHN...
> That said, my version of cdrecord is more current than yours.
> 
> $ cdrecord --version
> Cdrecord 1.11a39 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling
> $ rpm -qf /usr/bin/cdrecord
> cdrtools-cdrecord-1.11a39-1


Well that's wierd, I've updated EVERYTHING except for mozilla & pilot-link
(which I do myself, because I want the latest).  How could I have missed that? 
I searched RHN for cdrecord and it returned the same rpm that I already have. 
Did you upgrade cdrecord on your own?  When I went to the cdrecord website,
there is only verson 1.10 and 2.* available for d/l...


> 
> I believe it was part of an update via RHN (it's in my archive of 
> up2date RPMs...). I can make it available to you if you're interested.
> 
> Regards,
> Tim

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Re: Home Network Connections

2003-07-10 Thread David A. Bandel
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:35:51 -0700
Tom Lombardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I am trying to get my laptop, running RedHat Linux 8, to connect to my
> desktop, running Windows XP, both of which are attached to my Dell
> router.  The desktop is attached with a cable, and the laptop is 
> connected with a wireless card.

Please tell us the IP/netmask of each interface (router and systems)

> 
> I can ping the router from my laptop just fine, and I can connect to
> the Internet as well (thanks to Fourmun, who replied to an earlier
> post to this excellent newsgroup). 

Note:  XP has a "firewall" "feature" you may need to disable.  Sometimes
XP outsmarts itself.

> 
> But I can't get the laptop to connect to the desktop so I can back up
> files and use the printer.  I am using KDE and Konqueror, and I've
> gone through the LISa set-up.  The network's name is "earthfirst" and
> the router's name is "my.router" and the desktop's name is "DESKTOP". 
> When I type in "lan://earthfirst" or "lan://my.router" or
> "lan://DESKTOP" in Konqueror or in the terminal window command line,
> the laptop can't connect.  I mention all of this becuase I think it is
> relevant.

Let's get TCP working first.  NetBEUI is braindead and needs help, but
won't work at all if the TCP/IP stack/routing is hosed.

> 
> Also, the "route" command does not work in my Linux terminal window,
> so I can't check to see what the laptop sees. When I type "route man"
> in the terminal I get the manual page for "route", but when I try to
> run the "route" command I get a "bash: route: command not found"
> error.  This has happened to me before, where a command will show up
> in the manual but it won't run when I try to use it.  That seems weird
> to me.

Try running it as root or using a full path /sbin/route -n

> 
> If you have any suggestions as to how I can get my laptop to write
> files on the desktop and use the printer, I would be very grateful.
> 
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Re: Home Network Connections

2003-07-10 Thread Net Llama!
On 07/10/03 16:35, Tom Lombardo wrote:
Also, the "route" command does not work in my Linux terminal window, so 
I can't check to see what the laptop sees. When I type "route man" in 
the terminal I get the manual page for "route", but when I try to run 
the "route" command I get a "bash: route: command not found" error.  
This has happened to me before, where a command will show up in the 
manual but it won't run when I try to use it.  That seems weird to me.
That's most likely because its not in your $PATH.  try /sbin/route

If you have any suggestions as to how I can get my laptop to write files
on the desktop and use the printer, I would be very grateful.
You most likely need to get samba running for this stuff.

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Home Network Connections

2003-07-10 Thread Tom Lombardo
I am trying to get my laptop, running RedHat Linux 8, to connect to my
desktop, running Windows XP, both of which are attached to my Dell
router.  The desktop is attached with a cable, and the laptop is 
connected with a wireless card.

I can ping the router from my laptop just fine, and I can connect to the 
Internet as well (thanks to Fourmun, who replied to an earlier post to 
this excellent newsgroup). 

But I can't get the laptop to connect to the desktop so I can back up
files and use the printer.  I am using KDE and Konqueror, and I've gone
through the LISa set-up.  The network's name is "earthfirst" and the 
router's name is "my.router" and the desktop's name is "DESKTOP".  When 
I type in "lan://earthfirst" or "lan://my.router" or "lan://DESKTOP" in 
Konqueror or in the terminal window command line, the laptop can't 
connect.  I mention all of this becuase I think it is relevant.

Also, the "route" command does not work in my Linux terminal window, so 
I can't check to see what the laptop sees. When I type "route man" in 
the terminal I get the manual page for "route", but when I try to run 
the "route" command I get a "bash: route: command not found" error.  
This has happened to me before, where a command will show up in the 
manual but it won't run when I try to use it.  That seems weird to me.

If you have any suggestions as to how I can get my laptop to write files
on the desktop and use the printer, I would be very grateful.
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Re: Linux vs. xxxBSD

2003-07-10 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 05:50:52PM -0500, Shawn L Johnston wrote:
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Michael Hipp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Linux Users" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 5:18 PM
>Subject: Linux vs. xxxBSD
>

>>I have an upcoming web application that will be pretty intense and based
>>around apache with a database backend. The server(s) will be headless,
>>tuned for the job, and no desktop apps.
>>
>> Is xxxBSD really more stable than Linux?
>> Is xxxBSD really a better performer than Linux?
>>

>>I'm asking because that is the contention of some ISPers I interact with.
>>Don't particularly want to learn xxxBSD, but would if the gains were
>>worthwhile - I'm a Red Hat guy at heart.
>>
>> Any thoughts appreciated,

I've been using Linux a lot longer than I have FreeBSD, but have been doing
quite a bit on FreeBSD recently (4.8 STABLE).

>I'm not real familiar with BSD's, so these generalities might be
>wrong... I'd think that performence is going to depend greatly on your
>hardware. In general I think Linux will perform better then BSD if
>your using a SMP machine. If your going to be using +1GB of RAM, I'd
>also suspect that Linux will perform better. If your using hardware
>RAID, Linux is probably going to perform better. If you have a large
>filesystem(s), I'd anticipate Linux performing better. If your using a
>vanilla white box, BSD may perform better.

I don't have any serious comparison numbers on the SMB capabilities.  We're
running a dual PIII 1GHz box here with SuSE 8.2 and a dual Xeon 550 with
FreeBSD.  Most of the work is program development and compiles.  Both work
well, but I don't have meaningful benchmarks.  The FreeBSD box feels
faster, but that may well be because I'm not running the XFRee86 server on
it, just X clients from the Linux desktop.

Hardware RAID is probably a push on given hardware since the hardware's
going to be the limiting factor.  When I did a google search on ``vinum
stability'' (vinum is the FreeBSD virtual storage manager) there were some
articles citing benchmarks that said that vinum was significantly faster
than hardware RAID solutions.  I've been running software RAID5 on an
internal server here for several years, but given that it's running on
Caldera OpenLinux 2.3 on a Cyrix 166, performance isn't anything to brag
about.

The FreeBSD networking is supposed to be the standard to which all others
are compared, and is probably better for things like IPSec, and IPV6
support.

>As for stability... This is probably a bit of a toss up. I'd give the
>edge to BSD, but if you have good hardware and a good install of Linux
>with well tunned applications the difference here may be non existant.
>I'd also give BSD an edge in out of the box security over Linux.

I can't speak to OpenBSD or NetBSD, but FreeBSD is noted for its stability,
and consistency.  Unlike Linux, there's one standard for file hierarchy,
and the FreeBSD ``ports'' distribution is quite well thought out and easy
to use.  One of my gripes with Linux over the years has always been the
lack of concern for backwards compatibility, and the multiplicity of
``standards'' for file system layout.

We're doing all our localization using the openpkg.org package management
system which allows us to use identical SRPMS on Linux, FreeBSD, and SCO
OpenServer, the main platforms we support.  There's a large set of packages
available on openpkg.org so this has made my life a lot simpler when it
comes to building new machines whether they're Linux or FreeBSD.

As for stability of the running systems, I haven't had any serious
stability problems with the Caldera Linux systems we used from 1996 through
the end of 2002 or the SuSE 8.x systems we've been deploying since the
first of 2003.  The systems we install are not out-of-the-box stock, but we
have always gone through them tightening security, and adding our own
maintenance and support software.  On the other hand, FreeBSD systems are
noted for their performance and stability, and are used by many very busy
ISPs for e-mail, web, and other services.

The bottom line is that I would rate Linux better for desktop, games and
office work.  As for servers, FreeBSD may be more efficient in terms of
network performance, and somewhat less prone to security attacks because
there are fewer crackers who're familiar with it.  The main factor is
probably your familiarity with the systems.  As an long-time Linux and Unix
geek, I can set up a new SuSE 8.2 system faster than I can an equivalent
FreeBSD server.  This may change after I've installed a few more FreeBSD
systems.

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Re: [OT] Drive geometry question

2003-07-10 Thread Net Llama!
On 07/10/03 15:26, Bill Davidson wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:36:22 -0400 (EDT)
Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Bill Davidson wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:37:44 -0400 (EDT)
Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Bill Davidson wrote:

I decided to install FreeBSD and give it a try. My drive
geometry is set to 193821 cyls/63 sectors/16 heads. FreeBSD's
fdisk says that's
Where are you reading that geometry?
That's what FreeBSD reports to find. I also get that from linux
fdisk. I just don't understand what will happen if I partition the
drive using a different geometry, or if it even matters.
No, i meant the geometry that you think it should be compared to the
gemoetry that FreeBSD thinks it should be.


Here are the recommended settings from the western digital website for
this drive model:
16383 cyls/63 sectors/16 heads
Hmm... That's odd. Only the cylinders are different from what I've got.
If only the cylinders differ, then its most likely an lba32 scheme of some 
sort.  If i were a betting man, i'd say that you're safe to let freebsd 
muck around.

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Re: Linux vs. xxxBSD

2003-07-10 Thread Shawn L Johnston

- Original Message -
From: "Michael Hipp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Linux Users" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 5:18 PM
Subject: Linux vs. xxxBSD

> I have an upcoming web application that will be pretty intense and
based
> around apache with a database backend. The server(s) will be
headless,
> tuned for the job, and no desktop apps.
>
> Is xxxBSD really more stable than Linux?
> Is xxxBSD really a better performer than Linux?
>
> I'm asking because that is the contention of some ISPers I interact
> with. Don't particularly want to learn xxxBSD, but would if the
gains
> were worthwhile - I'm a Red Hat guy at heart.
>
> Any thoughts appreciated,

I'm not real familiar with BSD's, so these generalities might be
wrong... I'd think that performence is going to depend greatly on your
hardware. In general I think Linux will perform better then BSD if
your using a SMP machine. If your going to be using +1GB of RAM, I'd
also suspect that Linux will perform better. If your using hardware
RAID, Linux is probably going to perform better. If you have a large
filesystem(s), I'd anticipate Linux performing better. If your using a
vanilla white box, BSD may perform better.

As for stability... This is probably a bit of a toss up. I'd give the
edge to BSD, but if you have good hardware and a good install of Linux
with well tunned applications the difference here may be non existant.
I'd also give BSD an edge in out of the box security over Linux.

There are some recent articles on FreeBSD and OpenBSD at eweek.com as
well:
FreeBSD 5.1: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1184899,00.asp
OpenBSD Gets Harder to Crack:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,894,00.asp

Shawn

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Re: Can't read CD in linux, can in xp:Solved

2003-07-10 Thread Joel Hammer
Well, solved this problem.
I reburned the CD.  I limited the burn speed to 8x, not 40x as was the
default. Then I could read it in linux.
Dunno why windows could read it and not linux, but all I care is: It works.
Joel

On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 08:37:48PM -0400, Joel Hammer wrote:
> At work I created a data cd with images, large and small (300kb up to
> 33 megs), with easy CD creator or some such.  I ran the option to make
> the cd readable by all cd readers. This was on windows 2000.
> 
> At home, this disk refuses to load properly with caldera 2.4 on one box
> and lindows on a second box. The transfer just sorta gives up, with the
> few images that got transferred having file errors. I double boot xp on
> the second machine, so I booted into xp, and the images transferred OK
> to the hard drive. And, they are readible when I boot back into lindows
> and read them off the windows hard drive. So, it's not the cdrom rom, and
> the images appear to be intact after being transferred up with xp. 
> 
> So, the question is, what happened? Why can't linux read this cd?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joel
> 
> 
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Re: [OT] Drive geometry question

2003-07-10 Thread Bill Davidson
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:36:22 -0400 (EDT)
Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Bill Davidson wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:37:44 -0400 (EDT)
> > Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Bill Davidson wrote:
> > > > I decided to install FreeBSD and give it a try. My drive
> > > > geometry is set to 193821 cyls/63 sectors/16 heads. FreeBSD's
> > > > fdisk says that's
> > >
> > > Where are you reading that geometry?
> >
> > That's what FreeBSD reports to find. I also get that from linux
> > fdisk. I just don't understand what will happen if I partition the
> > drive using a different geometry, or if it even matters.
> 
> No, i meant the geometry that you think it should be compared to the
> gemoetry that FreeBSD thinks it should be.

Here are the recommended settings from the western digital website for
this drive model:
16383 cyls/63 sectors/16 heads

Hmm... That's odd. Only the cylinders are different from what I've got.

> > > > incorrect and wants to use 12161 cyls/63 sectors/ 255 heads. Is
> > > > it safe to go ahead and create a FreeBSD partition with this
> > > > drive geometry? I would prefer not to hose everything installing
> > > > this ;)
> > >
> > > Could be that FreeBSD is doing some kind of LBA32 equivalent.
> >
> > So this is harmless?
> 
> maybe.  i've never used *BSD, so i don't know how it determines the
> CSH numbers.  If no one else pipes up here, you'd be safest to ask on
> a FreeBSD list.

Alright. I thought this might be more of a generic pc question. I guess
not. 

Bill

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Linux vs. xxxBSD

2003-07-10 Thread Michael Hipp
This is not intended to start a flame war, honest, just wanting some 
informed opinions...

I have an upcoming web application that will be pretty intense and based 
around apache with a database backend. The server(s) will be headless, 
tuned for the job, and no desktop apps.

Is xxxBSD really more stable than Linux?
Is xxxBSD really a better performer than Linux?
I'm asking because that is the contention of some ISPers I interact 
with. Don't particularly want to learn xxxBSD, but would if the gains 
were worthwhile - I'm a Red Hat guy at heart.

Any thoughts appreciated,

Michael

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Re: Freeze while CD burning on RH 8.0 (2.4.20-18.8)

2003-07-10 Thread Tim Wunder
On 7/10/2003 11:23 AM, someone claiming to be Susan Macchia wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Net Llama wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Susan Macchia wrote:

Hi all,

I have been keeping my RH 8.0 system up to date using the RHN services.  I
recently upgraded the kernel to 2.4.20-18.8, but when I try and burn a cd
under

that kernel, the system locks up - I mean freeze, no rsh, telnet, nada.
/var/log/messages tells me nothing.
What command are you using to burn cds?


I use gcombust (version 0.1.57).  cdrecord is version 1.10-14

I haven't had any issues burning under RHL 8.0, but I don't believe I've 
burned anything since the last kernel upgrade via RHN...
That said, my version of cdrecord is more current than yours.

$ cdrecord --version
Cdrecord 1.11a39 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling
$ rpm -qf /usr/bin/cdrecord
cdrtools-cdrecord-1.11a39-1
I believe it was part of an update via RHN (it's in my archive of 
up2date RPMs...). I can make it available to you if you're interested.

Regards,
Tim
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Re: [OT] Drive geometry question

2003-07-10 Thread Net Llama!
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Bill Davidson wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:37:44 -0400 (EDT)
> Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Bill Davidson wrote:
> > > I decided to install FreeBSD and give it a try. My drive geometry is
> > > set to 193821 cyls/63 sectors/16 heads. FreeBSD's fdisk says that's
> >
> > Where are you reading that geometry?
>
> That's what FreeBSD reports to find. I also get that from linux fdisk. I
> just don't understand what will happen if I partition the drive using a
> different geometry, or if it even matters.

No, i meant the geometry that you think it should be compared to the
gemoetry that FreeBSD thinks it should be.

>
> > > incorrect and wants to use 12161 cyls/63 sectors/ 255 heads. Is it
> > > safe to go ahead and create a FreeBSD partition with this drive
> > > geometry? I would prefer not to hose everything installing this ;)
> >
> > Could be that FreeBSD is doing some kind of LBA32 equivalent.
>
> So this is harmless?

maybe.  i've never used *BSD, so i don't know how it determines the CSH
numbers.  If no one else pipes up here, you'd be safest to ask on a
FreeBSD list.

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Re: [OT] Drive geometry question

2003-07-10 Thread Bill Davidson
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:37:44 -0400 (EDT)
Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Bill Davidson wrote:
> > I decided to install FreeBSD and give it a try. My drive geometry is
> > set to 193821 cyls/63 sectors/16 heads. FreeBSD's fdisk says that's
> 
> Where are you reading that geometry?

That's what FreeBSD reports to find. I also get that from linux fdisk. I
just don't understand what will happen if I partition the drive using a
different geometry, or if it even matters. 

> > incorrect and wants to use 12161 cyls/63 sectors/ 255 heads. Is it
> > safe to go ahead and create a FreeBSD partition with this drive
> > geometry? I would prefer not to hose everything installing this ;)
> 
> Could be that FreeBSD is doing some kind of LBA32 equivalent.

So this is harmless?

Bill
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Re: GForce 4 Video Out and In help?

2003-07-10 Thread Matthew Carpenter
Update on this:

rivatv 0.8.2 (latest as of last writing) didn't recognize my card.  It turns
out that 0.8.3 is required for AGP8x, so I'll be trying that one next.



On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 17:01:49 -0400
Matthew Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks, Frederico and Roger.
> 
> I'll check out rivatv (which appears to be a V4L driver module)
> I'll also try the 1024/768 V-OUT.  
> Along the same lines:  RDesktop was recently giving me fits about not
> operating below 8bpp, when I was at 1280x1024x15bit.  Taking it to
> 1024x768x16bit worked, so I tried 1280x1024x16bit and it works.  Perhaps
> their algorithm for bpp calculation or testing is buggy.
> 
> 
> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 11:33:17 -0300
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> > >I just purchased the GF4Ti4200 with my new machine (which I'm most
> > >pleased with)
> > >
> > >I'd like some input on tricks to get this sucker working the best.  I
> > >knew it had video out.  Video In was a bonus I didn't expect (if only it
> > >works).
> > >
> > >Video Out shows up my boot to the TV...  But as soon as X starts, the TV
> > >becomes an Orange mess of lines.  I've tried changing modes (CTRL-ALT-+)
> > >but all that I see is some rearranging of what little black is left on
> > >the TV.  This is inconvenient.  Obviously it'd make me the happiest if
> > >this would be viewable even when I'm at 1280x1024 (I like to live there
> > >most the time) but I'd settle for 640x480.  (Note:  SuSE includes this
> > >great little tool which lets you set your resolution on the fly... very
> > >nice indeed)  I also wouldn't complain if the TV could be set up as an
> > >extension of my desktop, not a clone.  I've seen the nvtv utility and
> > >plays just a little. No luck other than killing the feed to my CRT. Yes,
> > >I'm using GLX and the NVidia accelerated driver.  DRI is another question
> > >I'm not sure of.
> > >
> > Just read de README for the nvidia GLX driver. You should have it
> > somewhere in your disk (something like /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/),
> > or you can download the tar.gz from nVidia's site (ie:
> > NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-4363.tar.gz). You'll find all the info you need there. 
> > 
> > The chipset supports TV out up to 1024x768.
> > 
> > >Video In I haven't tried much with yet.  All I know is that SuSE didn't
> > >detect it so it's probably not one of the BTTV chipset.  The manual calls
> > >is WDM or something or other.  Anyone have any luck with this one?   I
> > >remember reading recently on this list that someone said they'd stick
> > >with NVidia for all of their video capture needs.  I'd love to as well,
> > >since my other option is to migrate my ATI TVWonder VE card (Walmart:
> > >$45) from my old machine to this one.  Not elegant, but doable, and it's
> > >a BTTV chipset.
> > >
> > 
> > My vid card doesn't have TV-in, but a quick search in Gentoo Forums
> > revealed that you need RivaTV (http://rivatv.sourceforge.net):
> > 
> > http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=29290&highlight=gf4+tvin
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Re: Whoa Nelly! GF4-MultiScreen kills machine with X

2003-07-10 Thread Matthew Carpenter
How are Maximized windows handled?  Do they maximize one screen or both?
Seems like a minimal issue, but when you do it as often as I do, it's
important.

On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 20:26:51 -0700
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> TwinView as you describe it is how my X works, using my PC's onboard agp
> video for one monitor and a pci card (old ATI Rage) for the second. 
> Works as one 2048x768 desktop.
> 
> Pretty handy most of the time, with minor annoyance when windows open
> half in one and half in the other.  I'll keep that over not being able
> to drag parts of apps where I want though.


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Re: Whoa Nelly! GF4-MultiScreen kills machine with X

2003-07-10 Thread Matthew Carpenter
Anyone have any further thoughts on this one?
I've also noticed that attempting to switch VC's also causes this behavior. 
I'm at a loss, and a bit afraid to test too much since I don't like
hard-booting the machine much :(

Thanks in advance!
Matt



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> 
> Reading the README for the 3D driver from NVIDIA, I have figured out that
> there are two ways to configure X to utilize the TV-out from my new
> GF4Ti4200: MultiScreen, of CombinedScreen (TwinView). After a little
> tinkering and decisionmaking, I got my machine working (apparently)
> correctly in a Multi-Screen setup.  It's sweet.  I have two desktops, one on
> my CRT and one on my TV.  But one gotcha has creeped into my "dream".  If I
> kill X () it doesn't return


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Re: resolving issue

2003-07-10 Thread Matthew Carpenter
That is correct


mgc:/home/aiu1411 # dig surprisewinner.com

; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> surprisewinner.com
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 18557
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;surprisewinner.com.IN  A

;; Query time: 10 msec
;; SERVER: 172.30.16.19#53(172.30.16.19)
;; WHEN: Thu Jul 10 16:36:08 2003
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 36

This means that surprisewinner.com doesn't exist on the TLD servers (the ones
that host the com domain).

and..

mgc:/home/aiu1411 # dig surprisewinner.com @ns1.skylap.com

; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> surprisewinner.com @ns1.skylap.com
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 35784
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;surprisewinner.com.IN  A

;; Query time: 70 msec
;; SERVER: 207.44.216.141#53(ns1.skylap.com)
;; WHEN: Thu Jul 10 16:37:24 2003
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 36

This means that ns1.skylap.com doesn't know anything about surprisewinner.com.

Looks like neither the registrar nor skylap have done anything with this
domain.  






On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:14:50 -0500
ronnie gauthier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm trying to help a friend out on his web hoster.
> 
> A domain is pointed from a registar to a hosting agents DNS servers, the DNS
> servers are correct, I checked.
> The host claims to have the proper entries in their DNS server.
> 
> If I set the nslookup server to the hosts main DNS server then query the
> domain name in question, I should get returned the IP from the hosters DNS,
> no matter if the registar DNS has fully propagated or not. In other words,
> if the hoster has DNS records correct I should never receive the following
> from nslookup
> 
> > www.surprisewinner.com
> Server: ns1.skylap.com
> Address:207.44.216.141#53
> 
> ** server can't find www.surprisewinner.com: SERVFAIL
> 
> 
> Correct?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Ronnie
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Re: ftp server behind firewall

2003-07-10 Thread Matthew Carpenter
Hey Joel-

On a 2.4 kernelled firewall, you will want to do the following:

* insmod ip_nat_ftp  (this will load a couple others like ip_conntrack_ftp)
* iptables -I FORWARD 1 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT


The first one loads a special module designed to handle the intricacies of
FTP.  The second line allows established and related traffic.  While this is a
big design step, it uses connection-tracking instead of blunt "reply" rules to
create a tighter and cleaner ruleset.

Active FTP doesn't just use port 20 and port 21.  It uses 21 as the
destination port on the FTP server, then the server originates the data
connection back to the client using the SOURCE port of 20 and an undefined
destination port on the client (which is agreed upon by the client and server
using the control channel on port 21).

I believe the RELATED state also catches the "TCP High Port" connection used
in Passive mode, so long as you have loaded the ip_nat_ftp module.

Matt


On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:40:37 -0400
Joel Hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I want to be able to ftp to a linux box behind a firewall linux box from
> the outside. I need to configure the ftp server and the firewall.
> 
> I assume, since the "outside" client is also behind a firewall, I may be
> using passive mode for the transfer. I am using ipchains and ipmasqadm. I
> am running an ftp server on the firewall linux box, too. This ftp server
> on the firewall box is using ports 20 and 21.
> 
> In the active transfer mode, it seems straightforward to have the
> outside client ftp to a special command port, say port 27 instead of
> 21. I can set up the firewall linux box to send all requests on port 27
> to my ftp server behind the firewall to the usual command port.  But,
> here is where where I need help. How do I tell the client what the data
> port is on the server? Does the ftp server send the data port back as a
> data packet, or does the ftp client assume the data port number is the
> port on the server making the connection to the client's data port? Could
> ipmasqadm simply switch outgoing port numbers?
> 
> 
> The second question is for passive mode. Here, the ftp server sends back the
> temporary port to use for data transfers. There is supposed to be a way to
> restrict which ports are sent back by the server. However, the method
> suggested is changing an include file and, I suppose, recompiling the ftp
> daemon. Is there a configuration file which would do this?
> Could I just edit the binary file, assuming I could find the current port
> ranges in the binary file? Sounds hard, since it will be numbers, not
> strings. 
> 
> Any insights appreciated,
> 
> Joel
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reforwarded from OOo list: OpenGroupware.org: SKYRiX OPEN SOURCESITS GROUPWARE SERVER

2003-07-10 Thread Matthew Carpenter

MEDIA RELEASE

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

NEW PROJECT FORMED: OpenGroupware.org,
AS SKYRiX OPEN SOURCES ITS GROUPWARE SERVER

July 10, 2003 - OpenGroupware.org ('OGo') project announces its formation 
and the release today to the worldwide open source development community of 
its groupware server software. The software provides the server components 
necessary for full office collaboration with the OpenOffice.org suite and 
various other Linux and Windows groupware clients. OGo software runs on 
Linux and Solaris (www.OpenGroupware.org)

The OGo project is a fully independent open-source project, but will 
inter-operate with the OpenOffice.org software and other similarly open 
clients via open standards.

The OGo software is based initially on the contribution of the code of 
SKYRiX 4.1 Groupware Server, a mature product that has been in development 
for 7 years, and one of the earliest groupware products for the Linux 
operating system. The contributor, SKYRIX Software AG, is well known in 
Germany as a leader in Linux groupware (www.SKYRiX.com).

"We are extremely excited to form OpenGroupware.org and to collaborate with 
OpenOffice.org to serve the open source community worldwide," said Jens 
Enders, president and CEO of SKYRIX Software AG. "By configuring the 
OpenGroupware.org server together [after install] with the OpenOffice.org 
office suite and other leading groupware clients, our customers will be 
able to implement a comprehensive and integrated collaboration environment 
wholly composed of free software."

The OGo software provides document sharing capabilities for OpenOffice.org 
documents and will enable users of MS Outlook (97/2000/XP), Ximian 
Evolution, Mozilla Calendar, OOo Glow (OpenOffice.org Groupware Project's 
client product), Apple's iCal and other standards-based groupware clients 
to collaborate.

OGo software will enable users to share calendar, address book and e-mail 
information; they can communicate via instant messaging, share folders, 
exchange documents, track changes, share a whiteboard, and browse the Web 
all at the same time -- all upon open Internet standards and without paying 
or managing cumbersome licensing fees.

Says Gary Frederick, Leader of the OpenOffice.org Groupware Project: "Just 
to be perfectly clear, this is an MS Exchange replacement. OGo is important 
because it's the missing link in the open source software stack. It's the 
end of a decade-long effort to 'map' all the key infrastructure and 
standard desktop applications to free software. OGo offers users a free 
solution for collaboration and document management that, despite being free 
of charge, will far surpass the quality and level of collaboration found on 
Windows (through integration of MS Office, Exchange Server and SharePoint). 
Today marks the completion of 'OpenStack'."

Adds Stu Green, Managing Director of Open Source Professional Services, 
"The release of OGo means the OpenOffice.org suite is ready for the 
enterprise complete with full-featured and mature groupware solutions. 
These capabilities once and for all show how free software betters 
proprietary solutions that require licensing payments on both the client 
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creating, storing and sharing data in an open and flexible fashion. It's 
possible now to completely avoid proprietary file formats and non-standard 
XML throughout the desktop stack and infrastructure. Licensing fees and 
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OGo has extensive and broad support for XML based APIs:an XML-RPC 
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HTTPMail/MS Exchange-based WebDAV, and finally for iCalendar files in XML 
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storage accessible from the OpenOffice.org office suite.

OGo is licensed under the open source dual licenses, Lesser General Public 
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licensed under the GPL. For users, this means in part that the OGo software 
can be used, improved and redistributed at no cost. For developers, the 
licensing implications vary depending on the type of code contribution that 
is contemplated.

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Re: [OT] Drive geometry question

2003-07-10 Thread Net Llama!
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Bill Davidson wrote:
> I decided to install FreeBSD and give it a try. My drive geometry is set
> to 193821 cyls/63 sectors/16 heads. FreeBSD's fdisk says that's

Where are you reading that geometry?

> incorrect and wants to use 12161 cyls/63 sectors/ 255 heads. Is it safe
> to go ahead and create a FreeBSD partition with this drive geometry? I
> would prefer not to hose everything installing this ;)

Could be that FreeBSD is doing some kind of LBA32 equivalent.

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[OT] Drive geometry question

2003-07-10 Thread Bill Davidson
I decided to install FreeBSD and give it a try. My drive geometry is set
to 193821 cyls/63 sectors/16 heads. FreeBSD's fdisk says that's
incorrect and wants to use 12161 cyls/63 sectors/ 255 heads. Is it safe
to go ahead and create a FreeBSD partition with this drive geometry? I
would prefer not to hose everything installing this ;)

TIA,
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Re: resolving issue

2003-07-10 Thread Net Llama!
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, ronnie gauthier wrote:
> I'm trying to help a friend out on his web hoster.
>
> A domain is pointed from a registar to a hosting agents DNS servers, the DNS
> servers are correct, I checked.
> The host claims to have the proper entries in their DNS server.
>
> If I set the nslookup server to the hosts main DNS server then query the domain
> name in question, I should get returned the IP from the hosters DNS, no matter
> if the registar DNS has fully propagated or not. In other words, if the hoster
> has DNS records correct I should never receive the following from nslookup
>
> > www.surprisewinner.com
> Server: ns1.skylap.com
> Address:207.44.216.141#53
>
> ** server can't find www.surprisewinner.com: SERVFAIL

No, that error means that ns1.skylap.com isn't serving DNS information.
Either its not a DNS server, or its broken.  www.surprisewinner.com also
doesn't appear to be a valid domain, however.

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Re: Freeze while CD burning on RH 8.0 (2.4.20-18.8)

2003-07-10 Thread ronnie gauthier
Try unloading and reloading via82xxx_audio. I tried to help a friend in our user
group a while back and they had that problem with a via chipset, a SB live and
RH7x maybe 7.2 IIRC. When I seached google a lot of people had the same driver
problem. We fixed it by installing W2000( not my idea!). You could also try
using the alsa drivers.

A lockup like that sounds like a possible IRQ conflict. Is PNP enabled?

Ronnie

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:23:07 -0700 (PDT) - Susan Macchia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote the following
Re: Re: Freeze while CD burning on RH 8.0 (2.4.20-18.8)

>On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Net Llama wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Susan Macchia wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I have been keeping my RH 8.0 system up to date using the RHN services.  I
>> > recently upgraded the kernel to 2.4.20-18.8, but when I try and burn a cd
>under
>> > that kernel, the system locks up - I mean freeze, no rsh, telnet, nada.
>> > /var/log/messages tells me nothing.
>> 
>> What command are you using to burn cds?
>
>I use gcombust (version 0.1.57).  cdrecord is version 1.10-14
>
>It happens at different points in the burn process (I am using re-writable cds
>for backup); sometimes when doing a fast blank, sometimes the blank works fine
>and it happens during the actual burn.  Tried different CD-RW with same result.
>
>I didn't really pay attention to which commands gcombust was executing (prolly
>should've...). 
>
>> 
>> >
>> > Do you think that the version of cdtools is incompatible?  I have done
>stock
>> > upgrades as I have no time for "roll your own".  I've had to boot into an
>> > earlier kernel (2.4.18-27.8.0), so that I can burn CDs but now I see the
>> > following error at the console (and in /var/log/messages):
>> >
>> > Jul 10 00:59:45 gandalf kernel: via82cxxx: timeout while reading AC97 codec
>> > (0x9A)
>> 
>> That looks like sound related stuff to me.
>
>Hmm, I am able to play sound with no problem (realplay, xmms, etc) - and when I
>probe /proc, I see that my sound card is a VIA82C686 AC97, so via82cxxx must be
>the module (its actually via82cxxx_audio).  I only started seeing this after
>updating the kernal to 2.4.20 & running the old one because of the cd burning
>problems (of course I have't run long enough on the new kernel to really see). 
>When I have time, I'll have to try out the various combos to see...
>
>=
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resolving issue

2003-07-10 Thread ronnie gauthier
I'm trying to help a friend out on his web hoster.

A domain is pointed from a registar to a hosting agents DNS servers, the DNS
servers are correct, I checked.
The host claims to have the proper entries in their DNS server.

If I set the nslookup server to the hosts main DNS server then query the domain
name in question, I should get returned the IP from the hosters DNS, no matter
if the registar DNS has fully propagated or not. In other words, if the hoster
has DNS records correct I should never receive the following from nslookup

> www.surprisewinner.com
Server: ns1.skylap.com
Address:207.44.216.141#53

** server can't find www.surprisewinner.com: SERVFAIL


Correct?


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Re: Freeze while CD burning on RH 8.0 (2.4.20-18.8)

2003-07-10 Thread Net Llama!
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Susan Macchia wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Net Llama wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Susan Macchia wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I have been keeping my RH 8.0 system up to date using the RHN services.  I
> > > recently upgraded the kernel to 2.4.20-18.8, but when I try and burn a cd
> under
> > > that kernel, the system locks up - I mean freeze, no rsh, telnet, nada.
> > > /var/log/messages tells me nothing.
> >
> > What command are you using to burn cds?
>
> I use gcombust (version 0.1.57).  cdrecord is version 1.10-14
>
> It happens at different points in the burn process (I am using re-writable cds
> for backup); sometimes when doing a fast blank, sometimes the blank works fine
> and it happens during the actual burn.  Tried different CD-RW with same result.
>
> I didn't really pay attention to which commands gcombust was executing (prolly
> should've...).

I'd suggest doing it from the command line to remove alot of variables.
You can blank a CDRW like this:
cdrecord -v blank=fast

You can burn an ISO to a CD like this:
cdrecord -v f00.iso


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Re: Freeze while CD burning on RH 8.0 (2.4.20-18.8)

2003-07-10 Thread Susan Macchia
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Net Llama wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Susan Macchia wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have been keeping my RH 8.0 system up to date using the RHN services.  I
> > recently upgraded the kernel to 2.4.20-18.8, but when I try and burn a cd
under
> > that kernel, the system locks up - I mean freeze, no rsh, telnet, nada.
> > /var/log/messages tells me nothing.
> 
> What command are you using to burn cds?

I use gcombust (version 0.1.57).  cdrecord is version 1.10-14

It happens at different points in the burn process (I am using re-writable cds
for backup); sometimes when doing a fast blank, sometimes the blank works fine
and it happens during the actual burn.  Tried different CD-RW with same result.

I didn't really pay attention to which commands gcombust was executing (prolly
should've...). 

> 
> >
> > Do you think that the version of cdtools is incompatible?  I have done
stock
> > upgrades as I have no time for "roll your own".  I've had to boot into an
> > earlier kernel (2.4.18-27.8.0), so that I can burn CDs but now I see the
> > following error at the console (and in /var/log/messages):
> >
> > Jul 10 00:59:45 gandalf kernel: via82cxxx: timeout while reading AC97 codec
> > (0x9A)
> 
> That looks like sound related stuff to me.

Hmm, I am able to play sound with no problem (realplay, xmms, etc) - and when I
probe /proc, I see that my sound card is a VIA82C686 AC97, so via82cxxx must be
the module (its actually via82cxxx_audio).  I only started seeing this after
updating the kernal to 2.4.20 & running the old one because of the cd burning
problems (of course I have't run long enough on the new kernel to really see). 
When I have time, I'll have to try out the various combos to see...

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Re: Freeze while CD burning on RH 8.0 (2.4.20-18.8)

2003-07-10 Thread Net Llama!
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Susan Macchia wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have been keeping my RH 8.0 system up to date using the RHN services.  I
> recently upgraded the kernel to 2.4.20-18.8, but when I try and burn a cd under
> that kernel, the system locks up - I mean freeze, no rsh, telnet, nada.
> /var/log/messages tells me nothing.

What command are you using to burn cds?

>
> Do you think that the version of cdtools is incompatible?  I have done stock
> upgrades as I have no time for "roll your own".  I've had to boot into an
> earlier kernel (2.4.18-27.8.0), so that I can burn CDs but now I see the
> following error at the console (and in /var/log/messages):
>
> Jul 10 00:59:45 gandalf kernel: via82cxxx: timeout while reading AC97 codec
> (0x9A)

That looks like sound related stuff to me.

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Re: Renew ip address with cable modem !! thx for help !!

2003-07-10 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Linux Novice:
> I've tried ifconfig eth0 up and ifconfig eth0 down, the ip address remain
> same as before, How can I do can renew my computer ip address ?

If you're using DHCP, the lease is automatically renewed. Why do you
want a new IP address?

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question

2003-07-10 Thread Rick Sivernell


   I am build a new project & have moved it to a new distro. It has the latest
buils of system components like gcc 3.3 & etc. My problem is after building
shared libraries I get the following

-- Unable to install "registry/libregistryD.so" as
"/usr/local/silverware/lib/debug/libregistryD.so"[Errno 18] Invalid cross-device
link scons: *** [/usr/local/silverware/lib/debug/libregistryD.so] Error -1
scons: done building targets.

  Now on my Caldera boxex I have no problem with the same code. Is this a inode
problem, I am using reiserfs?
any ideas will be appreciated.

cheers

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Re: Renew ip address with cable modem !! thx for help !!

2003-07-10 Thread Net Llama!
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Linux Novice wrote:
> I've tried ifconfig eth0 up and ifconfig eth0 down, the ip address remain
> same as before, How can I do can renew my computer ip address ?

The dhcp server would need to renew the lease.  There might be a way of
forcing it, depending on which dhcp client you're using.

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Freeze while CD burning on RH 8.0 (2.4.20-18.8)

2003-07-10 Thread Susan Macchia
Hi all,

I have been keeping my RH 8.0 system up to date using the RHN services.  I
recently upgraded the kernel to 2.4.20-18.8, but when I try and burn a cd under
that kernel, the system locks up - I mean freeze, no rsh, telnet, nada. 
/var/log/messages tells me nothing.

Do you think that the version of cdtools is incompatible?  I have done stock
upgrades as I have no time for "roll your own".  I've had to boot into an
earlier kernel (2.4.18-27.8.0), so that I can burn CDs but now I see the
following error at the console (and in /var/log/messages):

Jul 10 00:59:45 gandalf kernel: via82cxxx: timeout while reading AC97 codec
(0x9A)

I have NO clue what this is about at all (what is via82cxxx ?).  I am running
vmware 4.0 regularly to tunnel into work.  I did upgrade the memory recently
(within the last week or so) from 3 128 sticks to 3 256 sticks (because of
vmware).  These are the only changes other than stock upgrades from RHN.  I am
assuming there may be an incompatibility with the kernel version I am running
(which is older) and some software upgrades from RHN.

Any help is greatly appreciated

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Re: Renew ip address with cable modem !! thx for help !!

2003-07-10 Thread James McDonald
Linux Novice wrote:
I've tried ifconfig eth0 up and ifconfig eth0 down, the ip address remain
same as before, How can I do can renew my computer ip address ?
Thanks for help !!
If you are using redhat or mandrake then '/etc/rc.d/init.d/network 
restart' will get your interfaces to refresh their ip addresses but you 
may just be receiving the same IP address from the dhcp server each time.

Why do you want a new ip address?

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Re: ftp server behind firewall

2003-07-10 Thread James McDonald
if you are using a 2.2.x kernel and ipchains there is a helper module 
for ftp so that the server sends the client the data port and then the 
firewall is aware of which data port to allow the client to connect back 
to...

I can't remember the firewall module from memory but it's got "ftp" 
in it...



Joel Hammer wrote:
I want to be able to ftp to a linux box behind a firewall linux box from
the outside. I need to configure the ftp server and the firewall.
I assume, since the "outside" client is also behind a firewall, I may be
using passive mode for the transfer. I am using ipchains and ipmasqadm. I
am running an ftp server on the firewall linux box, too. This ftp server
on the firewall box is using ports 20 and 21.
In the active transfer mode, it seems straightforward to have the
outside client ftp to a special command port, say port 27 instead of
21. I can set up the firewall linux box to send all requests on port 27
to my ftp server behind the firewall to the usual command port.  But,
here is where where I need help. How do I tell the client what the data
port is on the server? Does the ftp server send the data port back as a
data packet, or does the ftp client assume the data port number is the
port on the server making the connection to the client's data port? Could
ipmasqadm simply switch outgoing port numbers?
The second question is for passive mode. Here, the ftp server sends back the
temporary port to use for data transfers. There is supposed to be a way to
restrict which ports are sent back by the server. However, the method
suggested is changing an include file and, I suppose, recompiling the ftp
daemon. Is there a configuration file which would do this?
Could I just edit the binary file, assuming I could find the current port
ranges in the binary file? Sounds hard, since it will be numbers, not
strings. 

Any insights appreciated,

Joel

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Re: Moving Domain Registration

2003-07-10 Thread Tim Wunder
On Wednesday 09 July 2003 11:06 pm, someone claiming to be Kurt Wall wrote:
> Quoth Ken Moffat:
> > Kurt Wall wrote:
> > >The challenge, though, it to keep KurtWerks accessible through the
> > >transition, and I'm not quite sure how to handle that, or even if
> > >it possible. I'm open to suggestions
> >
> > I thought dyndns clients would do this automatically. (shows what I
> > know.) Are you running a client that has been notifying dyndns of
> > changes?
>
> The last time my IP address changed was July 2002. :-)
>

The last time my IP address changed (about 4 months ago, when I replaced my 
home-made freesco router with a store-bought linksys router), it took about 5 
minutes for the dyndns records to catch up. YMMV, but I'd just give dyndns 
the new IP address and be done with it.

Regards, 
Tim

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Re: [Hardware] RAM question

2003-07-10 Thread Javier Hernandez
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Net Llama! wrote:
> My personal experience, and that of others who work in the PC hardware
> industry indicates that Kingston & Crucial are garbage memory, as is PNY.
> If you're looking for high quality memory, Corsair & Samsung are highly
> recommended.

I used to look at Kingston like a good and reputable memory manufacturer
but based on my particular experience with Kingston Tech Support and
replacement/return policy, I would never recommend them.

It is not only the product what have to be good, also Tech Support is
quite important.

Thanks for the reference to Corsair and Samsung, it is good to have
some other memory manufacturers references.

> On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Michael Hipp wrote:
> > Those who specialize in PC hardware definitely recommend being brand
> > selective on memory. Kingston and Crucial are good quality brands. Most
> > others are commodity providers. Lots of PC problems are hardware
> > problems and lots of hardware problems are memory problems.
> > I only spec Kingston or Crucial on business-quality systems.
> > > I've heard of PNY.  Just another mass-market memory vendor.  Quality is no
> > > better or worse than Kingston, or Crucial,or any of the other commodity
> > > memory vendors.  Unless you're looking for quality memory (ECC etc), it
> > > really doesn't make much of a difference.

Best regards,

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Renew ip address with cable modem !! thx for help !!

2003-07-10 Thread Linux Novice
I've tried ifconfig eth0 up and ifconfig eth0 down, the ip address remain
same as before, How can I do can renew my computer ip address ?

Thanks for help !!

Linux Newbies


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Re: Moving Domain Registration

2003-07-10 Thread Joel Hammer
I have found comcast stable for a long time, too. It used to change quite
a bit. I am not sure if that was them or me, since I was using the wrong
command to start my dhcp client, using an option which basically asked
to be assigned a new ip number. Dumb.


Joel

 On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 08:28:55PM -0700, Ken Moffat wrote:
> Kurt Wall wrote:
> 
> >Quoth Ken Moffat:
> >  
> >
> >>Kurt Wall wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>The challenge, though, it to keep KurtWerks accessible through the
> >>>transition, and I'm not quite sure how to handle that, or even if
> >>>it possible. I'm open to suggestions
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>I thought dyndns clients would do this automatically. (shows what I know.)
> >>Are you running a client that has been notifying dyndns of changes?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >The last time my IP address changed was July 2002. :-)
> >
> >K
> >  
> >
> I didn't know comcast was so stable. I was talking to someone yesterday 
> who was told by comcast that the ip might change without notice on his 
> next reboot. (He wanted to set up a web server)
> 
> I searched for DynDNS and found a page of clients that you can run to 
> notify them of changes.
> 
> -- 
> Ken
> 
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Re: Moving Domain Registration

2003-07-10 Thread Joel Hammer
I am not sure why there should be any problem. Can't your machine handle
input from both the cable and the DSL line?

You have a domain name server on the net that directs Kurtwerks traffic
to your comcast.net ip. Just set up everything in your DSL account, then
tell the server to direct your new traffic to the DSL account. After a
couple of days, the new ip for kurtwerks will be known worldwide.

BTW, I got around the @#$% email problem by leaving the email on my
domain name server and just pop'ing it off.

Joel

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