Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
Net Llama! wrote: THe kernel image? If the kernel image was corrupted, the system wouldn't boot, period. It sounds like your partition table is getting hosed. Whoa, you have an IBM drive? You realize what a horrible track record those things have, right? Maybe your drive is bad afterall. Heh, it looks like I found my problem- Grub was not liking the partition table. I replaced it with Lilo, and I'm back with my beloved Linux. thanks for all the responses, Bob Raymond /me scurries off to count up what money is saved so far towards a tape drive ;-) ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:06:22 -0500 (EST) Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > I'm considering getting SCSI drives at some > point. My father's getting a new > > computer at work, and might be able to talk > the tech guys into letting him > > take the Adaptec 2930 card out of his current > system. Would that be a good > > solution until I got SCSI hard disks? > > Yea, that's well suited for a tape drive, or > any other device that has > slow IO. But don't plan to use it for > harddrives, or the performance will > suck (something like 20mb/s). I wasn't planning on it for hard disks - I would buy a fancy controller if I needed hard disks. But I don't know that I need any more at this point. > > > > Well, i kinda suspect your kernel is horked > if > > > the partition table is > > > getting hosed every time you boot off of > it. > > > Do you have a 2.4.x kernel > > > that you could boot the drive off of? > > > > Unfortunately, no. When I got the new > motherboard, I tried 2.4.19-xfs, and it > > never picked up the existence of my Highpoint > 374, so I switched to 2.5 > > kernels. For some reason 2.4.19-gentoo-r7 > works fine (the one on the rescue > > CD), but that's actually a patched 2.4.18 > kernel, and I'm not in the mood to > > tie up the internet for 3 hours downloading > the 2.4.18 sources. This kernel > > 3 hours for a good kernel, or how many hours > rebuilding? Can't you just > copy the kernel onto the HD, and boot off it > natively? It would be possible if I could find the kernel image for 2.4.19-gentoo-r7. It's just the download Gentoo 1.1a install CD, and I can't locate a kernel image on it. I don't mind tying up the phone line, but my parents mind when they can't get on the net on their computers, and I'd rather not have any yelling tonight. Maybe I could patch my 2.5.45 tree (I never built it) up to 2.5.47-ac2? Certainly a smaller download... > > used to work quite wonderfully before. Could > I have corrupted the image > > somehow? Is it time to replace the IBM > Deathstar 60GXP 20GB I use as a boot > > drive? > > THe kernel image? If the kernel image was > corrupted, the system wouldn't > boot, period. It sounds like your partition > table is getting hosed. > Whoa, you have an IBM drive? You realize what > a horrible track record > those things have, right? Maybe your drive is > bad afterall. That's just the boot disk tho. My normal Linux disk is a Maxtor 96147H6, and I've been using a different 96147H6 (the one I zapped a few weeks ago) since December 2000, and this one was made in December 2000, and I got it off Ebay, and it certainly seemed to be working up until yesterday. thanks Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm considering getting SCSI drives at some point. My father's getting a new > computer at work, and might be able to talk the tech guys into letting him > take the Adaptec 2930 card out of his current system. Would that be a good > solution until I got SCSI hard disks? Yea, that's well suited for a tape drive, or any other device that has slow IO. But don't plan to use it for harddrives, or the performance will suck (something like 20mb/s). Look here for details: http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/suppbyproduct.html?sess=no&cat=/Technology/SCSI+Host+Adapters&fromPage=supportindex > > Well, i kinda suspect your kernel is horked if > > the partition table is > > getting hosed every time you boot off of it. > > Do you have a 2.4.x kernel > > that you could boot the drive off of? > > Unfortunately, no. When I got the new motherboard, I tried 2.4.19-xfs, and it > never picked up the existence of my Highpoint 374, so I switched to 2.5 > kernels. For some reason 2.4.19-gentoo-r7 works fine (the one on the rescue > CD), but that's actually a patched 2.4.18 kernel, and I'm not in the mood to > tie up the internet for 3 hours downloading the 2.4.18 sources. This kernel 3 hours for a good kernel, or how many hours rebuilding? Can't you just copy the kernel onto the HD, and boot off it natively? > used to work quite wonderfully before. Could I have corrupted the image > somehow? Is it time to replace the IBM Deathstar 60GXP 20GB I use as a boot > drive? THe kernel image? If the kernel image was corrupted, the system wouldn't boot, period. It sounds like your partition table is getting hosed. Whoa, you have an IBM drive? You realize what a horrible track record those things have, right? Maybe your drive is bad afterall. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step & TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:34:10 -0500 (EST) Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > Will check. Is the Adaptec 29160N good? I > found it for $134, which seems > > reasonable. > > As someone else already remarked, that's > overkill for a tape drive taht > will never do any fast IO. If you plan to > purchase SCSI drives, then > sure, its a good investment, otherwise, its a > complete waste. Kinda like > putting a 2x CDROM drive on an IDE UDMA-133 > controller. I'm considering getting SCSI drives at some point. My father's getting a new computer at work, and might be able to talk the tech guys into letting him take the Adaptec 2930 card out of his current system. Would that be a good solution until I got SCSI hard disks? > > Maybe the SDT-9000? It seems to have > 12G/24G, which should be plenty big > > enough, and costs $359 at > componentsdirect.com > > That's a good model. OK, I'll start saving up. > Well, i kinda suspect your kernel is horked if > the partition table is > getting hosed every time you boot off of it. > Do you have a 2.4.x kernel > that you could boot the drive off of? Unfortunately, no. When I got the new motherboard, I tried 2.4.19-xfs, and it never picked up the existence of my Highpoint 374, so I switched to 2.5 kernels. For some reason 2.4.19-gentoo-r7 works fine (the one on the rescue CD), but that's actually a patched 2.4.18 kernel, and I'm not in the mood to tie up the internet for 3 hours downloading the 2.4.18 sources. This kernel used to work quite wonderfully before. Could I have corrupted the image somehow? Is it time to replace the IBM Deathstar 60GXP 20GB I use as a boot drive? thanks Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:14:13 -0500 (EST) Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > I didn't mean that- I'm sure I can figure out > > pluggin a card into the PCI slot > > > and adding drives. It's more I don't know > > what controllers are good, etc. > > > > Adaptec makes good SCSI controllers. Symbios > > are not bad either. Not > > sure about any of the others. > > Will check. Is the Adaptec 29160N good? I found it for $134, which seems > reasonable. As someone else already remarked, that's overkill for a tape drive taht will never do any fast IO. If you plan to purchase SCSI drives, then sure, its a good investment, otherwise, its a complete waste. Kinda like putting a 2x CDROM drive on an IDE UDMA-133 controller. > > I don't know anything about Seagate tape drives > > (they might be good, they > > might be bad). SONY are pretty good. > > Maybe the SDT-9000? It seems to have 12G/24G, which should be plenty big > enough, and costs $359 at componentsdirect.com That's a good model. > > > Should I trust the Bootit NG partition table > > readout? I find it kind of odd > > > that Bootit has a partition table for the > > drive, as does WindeXP, but Linux > > > doesn't. > > > > Right now, you've got nothing, so you don't > > have much of a choice but to > > trust this 'bootit NG' thing (i have no clue > > what that is). Take your > > chances, roll the dice, and hope for the best. > > OK, I created the partitions according to Bootit NG's information. I was able > to mount normally from my rescue CD, and everything was there. However, when > I booted normally (i.e. from the hard disk), the partition was no longer > there, and I had to reenter everything into fdisk again, and there again was > my data. What's next? Well, i kinda suspect your kernel is horked if the partition table is getting hosed every time you boot off of it. Do you have a 2.4.x kernel that you could boot the drive off of? -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step & TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On Thursday 14 November 2002 13:05 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:14:13 -0500 (EST) Net Llama! > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > wrote: > > > I didn't mean that- I'm sure I can figure out > > > > pluggin a card into the PCI slot > > > > > and adding drives. It's more I don't know > > > > what controllers are good, etc. > > > > Adaptec makes good SCSI controllers. Symbios > > are not bad either. Not > > sure about any of the others. > > Will check. Is the Adaptec 29160N good? I found it for $134, which > seems reasonable. > the 29160 is good but its wy overkill for just a tape drive. A tape drive wouldn't even make it breath hard. What you probably want is the Adaptec 2906 for about $50 new. > > I don't know anything about Seagate tape drives > > (they might be good, they > > might be bad). SONY are pretty good. > > Maybe the SDT-9000? It seems to have 12G/24G, which should be plenty > big enough, and costs $359 at componentsdirect.com > I have a Sony 5000 (DDS2) and a Sony 9000. Never had a lick of problems over the past 6 years or so. > > > Should I trust the Bootit NG partition table > > > > readout? I find it kind of odd > > > > > that Bootit has a partition table for the > > > > drive, as does WindeXP, but Linux > > > > > doesn't. > > Why don't you download the Acronis demo and see what it sees (even if it won't fix it for free)? > > Right now, you've got nothing, so you don't > > have much of a choice but to > > trust this 'bootit NG' thing (i have no clue > > what that is). Take your > > chances, roll the dice, and hope for the best. > > OK, I created the partitions according to Bootit NG's information. I > was able to mount normally from my rescue CD, and everything was > there. However, when I booted normally (i.e. from the hard disk), the > partition was no longer there, and I had to reenter everything into > fdisk again, and there again was my data. What's next? > >thanks > >Bob Raymond > > P.S. Bootit NG is sort of a ParitionMagic/BootMagic type program > that's a lot more powerful, about half the price, and a hell of a lot > more reliable. I've lost countless partitions (Winders luckily) to > Partition Magic over the years, but Bootit continues to amaze me. > ___ > Linux-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> > http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/14/02 13:31 + ++ Jana's Law of Love: "A dandelion from a lover means more than an orchid from a friend" ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:27:11 -0600 "R. Quenett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > " Actually, my main reason for not liking > CD-R's is the amount of data I'm > " working with. Sometimes I get 500-600mb wave > files, and I end up using an > " inordinate number of CDR's on a single > recording project. Once I get them > > When (not often) I have something I care about > and I don't trust the > hdds, I master the raw file (the program I use > will split a file on > the rare occasion it's that humungous), and/or > at various mileposts, > then at the worst I have some work to do over. I'll consider it, but since I really don't enjoy the audio editing work too much- I love it when it's done- I'd rather not have to do any of it over. > " edited up they're smaller, but I don't always > get the chance to do that. It's > " looking like tape drive, or what about DVD > burners? 4.7GB seems like a good > " size, and I wouldn't mind making movies in > the future ;-) > > Media only come in one size (too small:) and > dvd blanks were too > expensive last I looked, some time ago. But, > eventually... > The drives are getting cheaper quickly, tho, > but the format wars > aren't over yet. I think a blank is about $2 now, quite a bit more for the RW's. I was looking at a DVD burner from Sony though that supports all of the current formats. PC Magazine liked it, but didn't like that it had no packet-writing software. I don't really care, because Linux has that stuff anyway. Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:14:13 -0500 (EST) Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > I didn't mean that- I'm sure I can figure out > pluggin a card into the PCI slot > > and adding drives. It's more I don't know > what controllers are good, etc. > > Adaptec makes good SCSI controllers. Symbios > are not bad either. Not > sure about any of the others. Will check. Is the Adaptec 29160N good? I found it for $134, which seems reasonable. > I don't know anything about Seagate tape drives > (they might be good, they > might be bad). SONY are pretty good. Maybe the SDT-9000? It seems to have 12G/24G, which should be plenty big enough, and costs $359 at componentsdirect.com > > Should I trust the Bootit NG partition table > readout? I find it kind of odd > > that Bootit has a partition table for the > drive, as does WindeXP, but Linux > > doesn't. > > Right now, you've got nothing, so you don't > have much of a choice but to > trust this 'bootit NG' thing (i have no clue > what that is). Take your > chances, roll the dice, and hope for the best. OK, I created the partitions according to Bootit NG's information. I was able to mount normally from my rescue CD, and everything was there. However, when I booted normally (i.e. from the hard disk), the partition was no longer there, and I had to reenter everything into fdisk again, and there again was my data. What's next? thanks Bob Raymond P.S. Bootit NG is sort of a ParitionMagic/BootMagic type program that's a lot more powerful, about half the price, and a hell of a lot more reliable. I've lost countless partitions (Winders luckily) to Partition Magic over the years, but Bootit continues to amaze me. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, my main reason for not liking CD-R's is the amount of data I'm working with. Sometimes I get 500-600mb wave files, and I end up using an inordinate number of CDR's on a single recording project. Once I get them edited up they're smaller, but I don't always get the chance to do that. It's looking like tape drive, or what about DVD burners? 4.7GB seems like a good size, and I wouldn't mind making movies in the future ;-) ___ I'll chime in because I'm a pretty strong proponent of tape backups first and foremost. Disk to disk backup is good unless you only want to have one current copy, or have 7 times your current disk space for a weeks worth of backups. It's pretty difficult to recover a custom file from a week ago, or yesterday if it's been overwritten. Buy a good HP DAT drive (DDS3, 12/24gb or DDS4 20/40gb if you can afford it) or get a DDS2 drive and split your full backups across multiple tapes. Use xfsdump to back up, and xfsrestore to recover from. It's capable of backing up extended file attributes, and xfsrestore will put it back to the exact inode it was backed up from. Tapes are cheap. Your time and effort isn't. Backup, backup, backup! It's that important. -- Andrew Mathews - 10:40am up 1 day, 23:07, 2 users, load average: 1.05, 1.08, 1.06 - Whatever you may be sure of, be sure of this: that you are dreadfully like other people. -- James Russell Lowell, "My Study Windows" ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: " Actually, my main reason for not liking CD-R's is the amount of data I'm " working with. Sometimes I get 500-600mb wave files, and I end up using an " inordinate number of CDR's on a single recording project. Once I get them When (not often) I have something I care about and I don't trust the hdds, I master the raw file (the program I use will split a file on the rare occasion it's that humungous), and/or at various mileposts, then at the worst I have some work to do over. " edited up they're smaller, but I don't always get the chance to do that. It's " looking like tape drive, or what about DVD burners? 4.7GB seems like a good " size, and I wouldn't mind making movies in the future ;-) Media only come in one size (too small:) and dvd blanks were too expensive last I looked, some time ago. But, eventually... The drives are getting cheaper quickly, tho, but the format wars aren't over yet. R -- http://www.quen.net "Fix reason firmly in her seat and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there is one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." --Thomas Jefferson ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:47:25 -0600 "R. Quenett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I've never used this, or heard of anyone who > > has either, but you > > might want to take a glance at > > > > http://www.acronis.com/products/recoveryexpert/ > > > > If you try it, let us know how it goes, please. > > > > R > > I'll try it, but I don't see how it would do me any good without buying it- > the demo version only detects partitions. And it doesn't appear to have XFS > support. Does it really need XFS support? Can't you just use xfsdump? -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step & TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:38:22 -0500 (EST) Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Using SCSI hardware isnt' brain surgery. I'm > > sure that there are IDE tape > > drives out there, but i've never used them, and > > can't vouch for their > > performance or reliability. > > I didn't mean that- I'm sure I can figure out pluggin a card into the PCI slot > and adding drives. It's more I don't know what controllers are good, etc. Adaptec makes good SCSI controllers. Symbios are not bad either. Not sure about any of the others. > > > OK, I'll look into that. Do you know of any > > good retailers (pref. online)? > > > > Not really. I usually go with whoever sells > > what i'm looking for the > > least amount of money. Ecrix tape drives are > > expensive, i'm not going to > > mince words, and they're definitely outside of > > your budget range. > > I've noticed the Seagates are about $20 cheaper than anything else (Sonys are > the next step up) on Pricewatch. Are they any good? I don't know anything about Seagate tape drives (they might be good, they might be bad). SONY are pretty good. > > > And back to the original question. Is there > > any chance of recovering the > > > partition table? If I don't have the data to > > back up, there's not too much > > > sense having something to back it up to. > > > > Like i already said, if you're certain of the > > partition sizes & > > boundaries, you could always recreate them from > > scratch, and your data > > will be safe. If linux fdisk can't see > > partitions, then i dont know what > > there is to recover. > > Should I trust the Bootit NG partition table readout? I find it kind of odd > that Bootit has a partition table for the drive, as does WindeXP, but Linux > doesn't. Right now, you've got nothing, so you don't have much of a choice but to trust this 'bootit NG' thing (i have no clue what that is). Take your chances, roll the dice, and hope for the best. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step & TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:26:47 -0600 "R. Quenett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > " On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:34:22 -0800 Net Llama! > wrote: > > " > How do you lose data on a CDRW?? Anyway, > you > > " CDRW's have a habit of getting left out > around here. Then the cats walk over > > hehe... (leave the keyboard handy; get > Shakespeare;) > > Fwiw, I have seen complaints that the cdrw > alloy phase change is, um, > unreliable and that the packet writing > technology is fragile. The > recommendation I've adopted is to master to > write once blanks. > They're cheap, cheap, cheap. Data is > expensive. > > R Actually, my main reason for not liking CD-R's is the amount of data I'm working with. Sometimes I get 500-600mb wave files, and I end up using an inordinate number of CDR's on a single recording project. Once I get them edited up they're smaller, but I don't always get the chance to do that. It's looking like tape drive, or what about DVD burners? 4.7GB seems like a good size, and I wouldn't mind making movies in the future ;-) ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:47:25 -0600 "R. Quenett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've never used this, or heard of anyone who > has either, but you > might want to take a glance at > > http://www.acronis.com/products/recoveryexpert/ > > If you try it, let us know how it goes, please. > > R I'll try it, but I don't see how it would do me any good without buying it- the demo version only detects partitions. And it doesn't appear to have XFS support. Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:38:22 -0500 (EST) Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Using SCSI hardware isnt' brain surgery. I'm > sure that there are IDE tape > drives out there, but i've never used them, and > can't vouch for their > performance or reliability. I didn't mean that- I'm sure I can figure out pluggin a card into the PCI slot and adding drives. It's more I don't know what controllers are good, etc. > > OK, I'll look into that. Do you know of any > good retailers (pref. online)? > > Not really. I usually go with whoever sells > what i'm looking for the > least amount of money. Ecrix tape drives are > expensive, i'm not going to > mince words, and they're definitely outside of > your budget range. I've noticed the Seagates are about $20 cheaper than anything else (Sonys are the next step up) on Pricewatch. Are they any good? > > And back to the original question. Is there > any chance of recovering the > > partition table? If I don't have the data to > back up, there's not too much > > sense having something to back it up to. > > Like i already said, if you're certain of the > partition sizes & > boundaries, you could always recreate them from > scratch, and your data > will be safe. If linux fdisk can't see > partitions, then i dont know what > there is to recover. Should I trust the Bootit NG partition table readout? I find it kind of odd that Bootit has a partition table for the drive, as does WindeXP, but Linux doesn't. Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
I've never used this, or heard of anyone who has either, but you might want to take a glance at http://www.acronis.com/products/recoveryexpert/ If you try it, let us know how it goes, please. R -- http://www.quen.net "Fix reason firmly in her seat and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there is one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." --Thomas Jefferson ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:55:51 -0800 Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 11/13/2002 08:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > CDRW's have a habit of getting left out > > around here. Then the cats walk over > > > them, they get really dusty, etc., and I lose > > data. Can you recommend a tape > > > drive? Oh, and is that for IDE or SCSI? If > > IDE, might a tape drive work on a > > > RAID controller? I'm out of spots on the > > standard, non-RAID IDE, but have > > > room for another 5 devices on the Highpoint > > 374. > > > > Tape drives don't care what kind of device is > > feeding them the data, so > > IDE or SCSI is irrelevant. Or were you asking > > if the tape drive was IDE > > or SCSI? If so, then i'd put my money on a > > SCSI tape drive. > > That's what I meant, but I guess I'd need a SCSI controller, and I'm clueless > there as well. Using SCSI hardware isnt' brain surgery. I'm sure that there are IDE tape drives out there, but i've never used them, and can't vouch for their performance or reliability. > > You can't plug a tape drive into a RAID > > controller, unless you want the > > slowest RAID array in creation. As for good > > tape drives, HP makes some > > nice ones, so does SONY. DDS3 or DDS4 drives > > should be in your budget. > > There's also AIT, but i think they're a bit > > more expensive. And if > > you really want to splurge (like $600 and up) > > there's Ecrix, who make > > some of the best, most dependable tapes & > > drives in the undustry (and > > they offer excellent Linux support too). > > OK, I'll look into that. Do you know of any good retailers (pref. online)? Not really. I usually go with whoever sells what i'm looking for the least amount of money. Ecrix tape drives are expensive, i'm not going to mince words, and they're definitely outside of your budget range. > And back to the original question. Is there any chance of recovering the > partition table? If I don't have the data to back up, there's not too much > sense having something to back it up to. Like i already said, if you're certain of the partition sizes & boundaries, you could always recreate them from scratch, and your data will be safe. If linux fdisk can't see partitions, then i dont know what there is to recover. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step & TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: " On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:34:22 -0800 Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: " > How do you lose data on a CDRW?? Anyway, you " CDRW's have a habit of getting left out around here. Then the cats walk over hehe... (leave the keyboard handy; get Shakespeare;) Fwiw, I have seen complaints that the cdrw alloy phase change is, um, unreliable and that the packet writing technology is fragile. The recommendation I've adopted is to master to write once blanks. They're cheap, cheap, cheap. Data is expensive. R -- http://www.quen.net "Fix reason firmly in her seat and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there is one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." --Thomas Jefferson ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:55:51 -0800 Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/13/2002 08:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > CDRW's have a habit of getting left out > around here. Then the cats walk over > > them, they get really dusty, etc., and I lose > data. Can you recommend a tape > > drive? Oh, and is that for IDE or SCSI? If > IDE, might a tape drive work on a > > RAID controller? I'm out of spots on the > standard, non-RAID IDE, but have > > room for another 5 devices on the Highpoint > 374. > > Tape drives don't care what kind of device is > feeding them the data, so > IDE or SCSI is irrelevant. Or were you asking > if the tape drive was IDE > or SCSI? If so, then i'd put my money on a > SCSI tape drive. That's what I meant, but I guess I'd need a SCSI controller, and I'm clueless there as well. > You can't plug a tape drive into a RAID > controller, unless you want the > slowest RAID array in creation. As for good > tape drives, HP makes some > nice ones, so does SONY. DDS3 or DDS4 drives > should be in your budget. > There's also AIT, but i think they're a bit > more expensive. And if > you really want to splurge (like $600 and up) > there's Ecrix, who make > some of the best, most dependable tapes & > drives in the undustry (and > they offer excellent Linux support too). OK, I'll look into that. Do you know of any good retailers (pref. online)? And back to the original question. Is there any chance of recovering the partition table? If I don't have the data to back up, there's not too much sense having something to back it up to. thanks Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:55:51 -0800 Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/13/2002 08:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > CDRW's have a habit of getting left out > around here. Then the cats walk over > > them, they get really dusty, etc., and I lose > data. Can you recommend a tape > > drive? Oh, and is that for IDE or SCSI? If > IDE, might a tape drive work on a > > RAID controller? I'm out of spots on the > standard, non-RAID IDE, but have > > room for another 5 devices on the Highpoint > 374. > > Tape drives don't care what kind of device is > feeding them the data, so > IDE or SCSI is irrelevant. Or were you asking > if the tape drive was IDE > or SCSI? If so, then i'd put my money on a > SCSI tape drive. That's what I meant, but I guess I'd need a SCSI controller, and I'm clueless there as well. > You can't plug a tape drive into a RAID > controller, unless you want the > slowest RAID array in creation. As for good > tape drives, HP makes some > nice ones, so does SONY. DDS3 or DDS4 drives > should be in your budget. > There's also AIT, but i think they're a bit > more expensive. And if > you really want to splurge (like $600 and up) > there's Ecrix, who make > some of the best, most dependable tapes & > drives in the undustry (and > they offer excellent Linux support too). OK, I'll look into that. Do you know of any good retailers (pref. online)? And back to the original question. Is there any chance of recovering the partition table? If I don't have the data to back up, there's not too much sense having something to back it up to. thanks Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On 11/13/2002 08:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CDRW's have a habit of getting left out around here. Then the cats walk over them, they get really dusty, etc., and I lose data. Can you recommend a tape drive? Oh, and is that for IDE or SCSI? If IDE, might a tape drive work on a RAID controller? I'm out of spots on the standard, non-RAID IDE, but have room for another 5 devices on the Highpoint 374. Tape drives don't care what kind of device is feeding them the data, so IDE or SCSI is irrelevant. Or were you asking if the tape drive was IDE or SCSI? If so, then i'd put my money on a SCSI tape drive. You can't plug a tape drive into a RAID controller, unless you want the slowest RAID array in creation. As for good tape drives, HP makes some nice ones, so does SONY. DDS3 or DDS4 drives should be in your budget. There's also AIT, but i think they're a bit more expensive. And if you really want to splurge (like $600 and up) there's Ecrix, who make some of the best, most dependable tapes & drives in the undustry (and they offer excellent Linux support too). -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step & TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:50pm up 32 days, 10:05, 2 users, load average: 0.27, 0.61, 0.83 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:34:22 -0800 Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/13/2002 08:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > Audio edits take huge amounts of space, and I > haven't found a Goldwave clone > > for Linux yet. I'm doing fine with my 2 40GB > drives operating as an 80GB. If > > it makes you feel any better, they are IBM > Deathstars- a 60GXP and a 120GXP. > > Audacity? It seems to crash all the time for me, and it doesn't have nearly the features (and I use them). I really haven't gotten the hang of its noise reduction system. I guess it's the difference of turning a profit by working efficiently with a $40 program, as opposed to doing a hack job that takes ten times as long with a free program and not being able to feel good about charging for a lousy recording. > > I usually keep around 10-20GB per OS around > (and no, I can't lose the audio > > files under WindeXP). You'd recommend > CDRW's? I've lost more data from them > > than from these two hard disks. What sort of > prices would I be looking at > > with tape? Anything above, say, $300-$350 is > just way too much. > > How do you lose data on a CDRW?? Anyway, you > should be able to find a > decent tape drive for under $350. CDRW's have a habit of getting left out around here. Then the cats walk over them, they get really dusty, etc., and I lose data. Can you recommend a tape drive? Oh, and is that for IDE or SCSI? If IDE, might a tape drive work on a RAID controller? I'm out of spots on the standard, non-RAID IDE, but have room for another 5 devices on the Highpoint 374. thanks, Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On 11/13/2002 08:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Audio edits take huge amounts of space, and I haven't found a Goldwave clone for Linux yet. I'm doing fine with my 2 40GB drives operating as an 80GB. If it makes you feel any better, they are IBM Deathstars- a 60GXP and a 120GXP. Audacity? Anyway, i'd recommend against using volitile media as backup storage. All it takes is a mechanical failure to lose your backups. Depending on how much data you need to backup, you could go with something as simple as CDRW's, or a tapes. Sure, you'll need to purchase a tape drive if you've got a very significant amount of data, but its still the most dependable, scalable backups methods around. I usually keep around 10-20GB per OS around (and no, I can't lose the audio files under WindeXP). You'd recommend CDRW's? I've lost more data from them than from these two hard disks. What sort of prices would I be looking at with tape? Anything above, say, $300-$350 is just way too much. How do you lose data on a CDRW?? Anyway, you should be able to find a decent tape drive for under $350. -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step & TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:30pm up 32 days, 9:45, 2 users, load average: 1.16, 1.10, 0.85 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:12:19 -0800 Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, if you've got a different bootable box, > you could always attach > the drive, and attempt to mount the partition, > and read the data. Unfortunately, the only Linux box in the house is mine. I just checked the Windoze "Disk Management" thingie, and it reports three "unknown partitions" of the right sizes. The only thing that doesn't work is the 2.5.44-ac2 kernel and the 2.4.19-gentoo-r7 kernel on the rescue CD. > >>>Anyone know how I might restore my table, > >> > >>with data? > >> > >>This sounds like hardware failure. At this > >>point, restoring anything > >>without verifying the sanity of your hardare > is > >>an exercise in futility. > > > > > > Darn. I already lost one hard disk, and this > was to be its replacement. It > > seemed to work fine. > > Well, since you were using a 2.5.x kernel, i > suppose it could be some > crazy kernel bug that made your drive into > swiss cheese. Is the > replacement drive identical to the original? I > wonder if its a bad > batch of drives. At any rate, if you're > certain of the exact partition > sizes & boundaries, then you could always > recreate them, and your data, > if its still there at all, should be intact. The replacement drive is three months newer, and pulled from a working system and sold on Ebay. It's an identical model. The first time around, I hotplugged the power switch, fried the logic board, so I swapped logic boards, copied the data onto a 40GB drive (now with Windoze), reswapped the logic boards, and copied back to the Ebay 60GB. The kernel has been relatively stable, but I was rebooting mainly because for some reason the thing wasn't printing, and I couldn't think of anything else to do (plus I had an aching desire to game a bit). > > I'd like a separate physical form of media. > Might a USB hard disk be what I'm > > looking for? All four hard disks are > currently being used for different > > things, one is my boot disk, and I don't > trust it for anything but that (it > > generally works, but if I were to do anything > really intensive-), then the > > Linux disk, and then the two Windows disks > are in a JBOD array. > > A JBOD for windoze? That's the most unique > usage i've ever heard for a > JBOD. Audio edits take huge amounts of space, and I haven't found a Goldwave clone for Linux yet. I'm doing fine with my 2 40GB drives operating as an 80GB. If it makes you feel any better, they are IBM Deathstars- a 60GXP and a 120GXP. > Anyway, i'd recommend against using > volitile media as backup > storage. All it takes is a mechanical failure > to lose your backups. > Depending on how much data you need to backup, > you could go with > something as simple as CDRW's, or a tapes. > Sure, you'll need to > purchase a tape drive if you've got a very > significant amount of data, > but its still the most dependable, scalable > backups methods around. I usually keep around 10-20GB per OS around (and no, I can't lose the audio files under WindeXP). You'd recommend CDRW's? I've lost more data from them than from these two hard disks. What sort of prices would I be looking at with tape? Anything above, say, $300-$350 is just way too much. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On 11/13/2002 06:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:38:27 -0800 Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11/13/2002 06:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, it all started with a strange oops on reboot, and finally, as rebooting Strange oops? Don't suppose you've got a copy of it, do you? Unfortunately, no, and since I can't get it to boot, I can't reproduce it. Well, if you've got a different bootable box, you could always attach the drive, and attempt to mount the partition, and read the data. Anyone know how I might restore my table, with data? This sounds like hardware failure. At this point, restoring anything without verifying the sanity of your hardare is an exercise in futility. Darn. I already lost one hard disk, and this was to be its replacement. It seemed to work fine. Well, since you were using a 2.5.x kernel, i suppose it could be some crazy kernel bug that made your drive into swiss cheese. Is the replacement drive identical to the original? I wonder if its a bad batch of drives. At any rate, if you're certain of the exact partition sizes & boundaries, then you could always recreate them, and your data, if its still there at all, should be intact. And, slightly related, what's a relatively cheap, reliable backup solution? This is the second time I've been without my data this month (the first time the disk blew on me), so I guess I'm not really learning my lesson :0 Is tar cheap enough for you? ;) It depends on what you want to spend, how much data you need to back up, and how often you want to back it up. I'd like a separate physical form of media. Might a USB hard disk be what I'm looking for? All four hard disks are currently being used for different things, one is my boot disk, and I don't trust it for anything but that (it generally works, but if I were to do anything really intensive-), then the Linux disk, and then the two Windows disks are in a JBOD array. A JBOD for windoze? That's the most unique usage i've ever heard for a JBOD. Anyway, i'd recommend against using volitile media as backup storage. All it takes is a mechanical failure to lose your backups. Depending on how much data you need to backup, you could go with something as simple as CDRW's, or a tapes. Sure, you'll need to purchase a tape drive if you've got a very significant amount of data, but its still the most dependable, scalable backups methods around. -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step & TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:05pm up 32 days, 9:20, 2 users, load average: 1.00, 0.99, 0.83 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:38:27 -0800 Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/13/2002 06:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > it all started with a strange oops on reboot, > and finally, as rebooting > > Strange oops? Don't suppose you've got a copy > of it, do you? Unfortunately, no, and since I can't get it to boot, I can't reproduce it. > > Anyone know how I might restore my table, > with data? > > This sounds like hardware failure. At this > point, restoring anything > without verifying the sanity of your hardare is > an exercise in futility. Darn. I already lost one hard disk, and this was to be its replacement. It seemed to work fine. > > > > And, slightly related, what's a relatively > cheap, reliable backup solution? > > This is the second time I've been without my > data this month (the first time > > the disk blew on me), so I guess I'm not > really learning my lesson :0 > > Is tar cheap enough for you? ;) > > It depends on what you want to spend, how much > data you need to back up, > and how often you want to back it up. I'd like a separate physical form of media. Might a USB hard disk be what I'm looking for? All four hard disks are currently being used for different things, one is my boot disk, and I don't trust it for anything but that (it generally works, but if I were to do anything really intensive-), then the Linux disk, and then the two Windows disks are in a JBOD array. Thanks Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP!! Partition table issue
On 11/13/2002 06:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, it all started with a strange oops on reboot, and finally, as rebooting Strange oops? Don't suppose you've got a copy of it, do you? wouldn't work, I did a hard reboot. I did a little bit of stuff in a fresh Windows install. Then I rebooted, and I got the message that the root filesystem can't be mounted on /dev/hde2 (where it's been just fine for ages). I tried my Gentoo CD, and it didn't pick up a single partition (hde1-3) on the disk, just /dev/hde. Linux fdisk doesn't pick up a partition table either. HOWEVER- I think there might be hope- Bootit NG reports all three partitions, safely, as Linux partitions (it doesn't understand ext3, XFS, and swap), in their normal sizes. Anyone know how I might restore my table, with data? This sounds like hardware failure. At this point, restoring anything without verifying the sanity of your hardare is an exercise in futility. And, slightly related, what's a relatively cheap, reliable backup solution? This is the second time I've been without my data this month (the first time the disk blew on me), so I guess I'm not really learning my lesson :0 Is tar cheap enough for you? ;) It depends on what you want to spend, how much data you need to back up, and how often you want to back it up. -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step & TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 6:35pm up 32 days, 7:50, 2 users, load average: 0.11, 0.14, 0.25 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
HELP!! Partition table issue
Hi, it all started with a strange oops on reboot, and finally, as rebooting wouldn't work, I did a hard reboot. I did a little bit of stuff in a fresh Windows install. Then I rebooted, and I got the message that the root filesystem can't be mounted on /dev/hde2 (where it's been just fine for ages). I tried my Gentoo CD, and it didn't pick up a single partition (hde1-3) on the disk, just /dev/hde. Linux fdisk doesn't pick up a partition table either. HOWEVER- I think there might be hope- Bootit NG reports all three partitions, safely, as Linux partitions (it doesn't understand ext3, XFS, and swap), in their normal sizes. Anyone know how I might restore my table, with data? And, slightly related, what's a relatively cheap, reliable backup solution? This is the second time I've been without my data this month (the first time the disk blew on me), so I guess I'm not really learning my lesson :0 Oh- specs- kernel is 2.5.44-ac2 (I couldn't find much else but the 2.5 series that liked my Highpoint 374 controller), EPoX 8K5A3+, and hd in question is a Maxtor 96147H6 5400RPM 60GB. TIA Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
