Re: [IFWP] Re: [ICANN-EU] Re: You be the Jury (Polling the Lessig-Sondow exchange)
On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Joop Teernstra wrote: > > I went ahead and designed and commissioned the Polling Booth. I make its > use available for free. If it is going to be open source, I would like to > be paid what it is worth. Then it's not really open source
[IFWP] Re: [ICANN-EU] Re: You be the Jury (Polling the Lessig- Sondow exchange)
At 18:33 24/09/00 -0400, Gordon Cook wrote: >I certainly like an open source auditable election. Anyone notice >yet that with election.com running the ICANN at large we will get no >such thing!? > Gordon, I actually agree that open source voting software may be the best of options. But Where is it?? I went ahead and designed and commissioned the Polling Booth. I make its use available for free. If it is going to be open source, I would like to be paid what it is worth. Fair? It is quite complex with a lot of functionality. Any benefactors out there? Auditing is a different matter. Auditing votes is opening a can of worms at the best of times. Voters want results. Any auditing process, unless it is needed to determine the outcome of a power struggle, is a holdup for the voters. It puts those who are demanding audits in control, especially if there are no detailed rules for an auditing process. It also endangers the anonymity of a vote. This is the reason why so often members of associations vote by acclamation for destruction of the Ballot papers. In the meantime, cheap unsubstantiated slander against independent Polling resources, without ever providing an alternative is not helping democracy. If WXW sees a vote going against him in real time, perhaps he should consider the feedback effect that real time result publishing has. Real Time results is a feature that can be turned on or off, in accordance with the will of the voters. --Joop Teernstra LL.M.-- the Cyberspace Association and the constituency for Individual Domain Name Owners http://www.idno.org
[IFWP] BOUNCE list@ifwp.org: Non-member submission from ["Schueller, Winfried" ]
>From: "Schueller, Winfried" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: AW: [ICANN-EU] Re: [IFWP] You be the Jury (Polling the Lessig- S >Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:54:22 +0200 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Hi all, > >i really couldn`t agree more to the statement from Prof. Hoeren. > >That`s really not the way we should talk to each other. > >Esther personally deserves theh respesct of the community. > >One can debate all the decisions and statements made, but please in a = >serious and respectful manner. > >I would very much appreciate if such a personal and harmful style of = >discussion would never happen again. > >Regards=20 >Winfried Sch=FCller > >-Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht- >Von: Prof. Dr. Thomas Hoeren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Gesendet am: Sonntag, 24. September 2000 22:39 >An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Domain >Policy; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Betreff: Re: [ICANN-EU] Re: [IFWP] You be the Jury (Polling the Lessig- >S > >Dear colleagues, >this mail of Mr. Batista against Ester Dyson is the worst text I have=20 >ever read in the internet. I think we should discuss hard on ICANN.=20 >But we should never annoy or do harm to other people. Ester Dyson is=20 >a well known person with a high reputation; she is doing a hard job=20 >at ICANN. Even you don=B4t like all her decisions and statements, Ester = > >Dyson deserves all respect as a person.=20 >I have noticed that some colleagues tend to send very ugly comments=20 >on others using this email forum. We should really stop that. These=20 >hate mails are not helpful. > >Best regards >Thomas Hoeren >Prof. Dr. Thomas Hoeren >Institut fuer Informations-,=20 >Telekommunikations- und Medienrecht >Zivilrechtliche Abteilung >Bispinghof 24/25 >D- 48143 Muenster >Tel.: 0251/8329919 >Fax: 0251/8321177 >E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.uni-muenster.de/Jura.itm/Hoeren > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ph-1.613.473.1719 "The public-private partnership is the essence of fascist economics." --Dan Sullivan
[IFWP] BOUNCE list@ifwp.org: Non-member submission from ["Prof. Dr. Thomas Hoeren" ]
>From: "Prof. Dr. Thomas Hoeren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > Domain Policy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:38:42 +> >Dear colleagues, >this mail of Mr. Batista against Ester Dyson is the worst text I have >ever read in the internet. I think we should discuss hard on ICANN. >But we should never annoy or do harm to other people. Ester Dyson is >a well known person with a high reputation; she is doing a hard job >at ICANN. Even you don=B4t like all her decisions and statements, Ester >Dyson deserves all respect as a person. >I have noticed that some colleagues tend to send very ugly comments >on others using this email forum. We should really stop that. These >hate mails are not helpful. > >Best regards >Thomas Hoeren >Prof. Dr. Thomas Hoeren >Institut fuer Informations-, >Telekommunikations- und Medienrecht >Zivilrechtliche Abteilung >Bispinghof 24/25 >D- 48143 Muenster >Tel.: 0251/8329919 >Fax: 0251/8321177 >E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.uni-muenster.de/Jura.itm/Hoeren > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ph-1.613.473.1719 "The public-private partnership is the essence of fascist economics." --Dan Sullivan
[IFWP] Re: You be the Jury (Polling the Lessig- Sondow exchange)
> >And open sourced, auditable solution is much preferable over Joop's >version of "democracy." > >-- >Best regards, > Williammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I certainly like an open source auditable election. Anyone notice yet that with election.com running the ICANN at large we will get no such thing!? -- The COOK Report on Internet Index to 8 years of the COOK Report 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA at http://cookreport.com (609) 882-2572 (phone & fax)Have you done your part to keep [EMAIL PROTECTED] the Internet free from ICANN's control? Replace your machine's DNS numbers from http://dnsroot.org/ today
[IFWP] Shadow Polling and "the Truth"
At 07:39 24/09/00 -0400, Esther Dyson wrote: >This is a nice idea. But how can you test for honesty if you have no way of >comparing your results with "the truth"? > Hello Esther, I think it is better to trust your voters first and then see what actually happens. This is better than excluding people, who *might* cheat. The system can check for double votes, but will allow dishonest voters to vote several times in different regions. (this is the vote for ICANN at large directors) The experimental part is to see how many voters actually would do this, as a percentage of the total. It is also possible to re-run the vote with registered voters and compare the results with the "open" poll . There is now the opportunity to sign up as a registered voter via the Polling Booth. It looks like an ordinary Polling Topic, sorry. Probably it is a bit late to get significant numbers prior to the official election, but the composition of the voters should be roughly the same as the official roll. REGISTER AT www.democracy.org.nz/vote1/ (kindly forward this message to other lists) --Joop--
Re: [IFWP] You be the Jury (Polling the Lessig- Sondow exchange)
Ester - your a two faced little whore arn't ya. Honesty is not something that becomes you. You ester and you little pack of icann fluffers have lied to us, you have manipulated and committed electoral fraud, but more important the internet has become a mess and we owe it all to your bottom up honest. Ester - get real - when you talk honesty - we laught. -- J. Baptista Planet Communications & Computing Facility http://www.pccf.net/ On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, Esther Dyson wrote: > This is a nice idea. But how can you test for honesty if you have no way of > comparing your results with "the truth"? > > Esther > > At 02:58 PM 9/24/00 +1200, Joop Teernstra wrote: > >Dear all, > > > >The Polling Booth has currently an option to vote your opinion on who wins > >the Sondow/Lessig debate on points. > > > >I know that it won't make any difference, but it is good for the debaters > >themselves to get some feedback from the audience. > >This is perhaps better done off the list and in the polls. > > > >You will also find an option to vote for your preferred ICANN director in > >a pre-election/shadow poll. > > > >This is not an IDNO initiative. The IDNO still has to elect its Executive > >Committee and it's Names Council representatives. > > > >The Booth lives at www.democracy.org.nz/vote1/Voting this time is > >anonymous and does not require a password. This is a rough experimental > >poll, without security. It is therefore also a test of general voter honesty. > > > >Whoever wants to utilize the Booth for organizing the @large membership is > >welcome. > >The Booth has secure voting for those who sign up as voters with an email > >address. > > > > > >Joop Teernstra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes! > chairman, EDventure Holdings > chairman, Internet Corp. for Assigned Names & Numbers > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 1 (212) 924-8800-- 1 (212) 924-0240 fax > 104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor) > New York, NY 10011 USA > http://www.edventure.comhttp://www.icann.org > > PC Forum: 25 to 28 March 2001, Scottsdale (Phoenix), Arizona > Book: "Release 2.1: A design for living in the digital age" > High-Tech Forum in Europe: November 1 to 3 - Barcelona > > >
Re: [IFWP] You be the Jury (Polling the Lessig- Sondow exchange)
This is a nice idea. But how can you test for honesty if you have no way of comparing your results with "the truth"? Esther At 02:58 PM 9/24/00 +1200, Joop Teernstra wrote: >Dear all, > >The Polling Booth has currently an option to vote your opinion on who wins >the Sondow/Lessig debate on points. > >I know that it won't make any difference, but it is good for the debaters >themselves to get some feedback from the audience. >This is perhaps better done off the list and in the polls. > >You will also find an option to vote for your preferred ICANN director in >a pre-election/shadow poll. > >This is not an IDNO initiative. The IDNO still has to elect its Executive >Committee and it's Names Council representatives. > >The Booth lives at www.democracy.org.nz/vote1/Voting this time is >anonymous and does not require a password. This is a rough experimental >poll, without security. It is therefore also a test of general voter honesty. > >Whoever wants to utilize the Booth for organizing the @large membership is >welcome. >The Booth has secure voting for those who sign up as voters with an email >address. > > >Joop Teernstra > > > > > > > Esther DysonAlways make new mistakes! chairman, EDventure Holdings chairman, Internet Corp. for Assigned Names & Numbers [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1 (212) 924-8800-- 1 (212) 924-0240 fax 104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor) New York, NY 10011 USA http://www.edventure.comhttp://www.icann.org PC Forum: 25 to 28 March 2001, Scottsdale (Phoenix), Arizona Book: "Release 2.1: A design for living in the digital age" High-Tech Forum in Europe: November 1 to 3 - Barcelona
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