PRIVATE Re: [IFWP] "working within ICANN"
Given your attitude toward anything I say, I think we have completed all our useful interactions;-)... Enjoy the silence;-)...\Stef At 16:15 -0600 12/09/01, Ken Freed wrote: >Paranoid, Stef? Do you always presume that everyone is against you? >Look at your mistaken presumption regarding my views on democracy. >Critical thinking helps prevent embrassment by jumping to conclusions, >There are more obvious "leaks" on the list than myself, e.g. Mr. Crispin, >who's arrival effectively killed all communications on this list, it seems >-- ken
Re: [IFWP] "working within ICANN"
Once can acknowledge that ICANN exists without recognizing it as legitimate. Given its nature & actions, in fact, ICANN merits investigation & replacement. k >I cannot at all understand the suggestion, which I read in your >message, that participating in ICANN is a threat for ... well, what >exactly, as well as a sort of treason. As long as one is clear and >honest? It is impossible to ignore and route around ICANN. Anyone >connecting to the internet uses root-servers.net. You have a .com >domain. > >On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, at 00:38 [=GMT-0700], Einar Stefferud wrote: > >> Well, we run some danger of you going to ICANN meetings and spilling >> our beans;-)... >> >> So, you will find some hostility here to people who insist on >> participating in both. We a re not going to try to kill ICANN, but >> we also do not want to put our head in the ICANN guillotine for no >> good purpose other then to lose our heads. >> >> We need to use some stealth in our effort to route around ICANN. >> We do not need to visibly thumb our noses at them, or parade by with >> a brass band to get their attention. >> >> It is hard to agree to ignore them and at the same time work with >> them in their faked up committees. >> >> So, I fear you are going to get you chance to choose paths. >> >> Cheers...\Stef >> >> >> At 00:11 +0200 11/09/01, Marc Schneiders wrote: >> >Is this true? Does it not depend on _how_ you work inside ICANN? I see >> >a lot of people active on the ncdnhc list who 'hate' ICANN as much as >> >possible. Still they vote for the ICANN board seat (maybe without >> >success) if they happen to be on the Names Council. Lets not ostracize >> >each other. I am not putting any money on ICANN. Still, I don't see >> >why I could not participate in some of its processes and at the same >> >time be part of 'alternatives'. I would rather see things in the >> >perspective of the wrong party being in power. Not the power being so >> >entagled in cosa nostra that all I can do is buy a gun and go into the >> >mountains. >> >Anyway, I live in a country that is flat. >> >>
Re: [IFWP] Re: Introduction
Hi Joanna -- For historical snapshots of ICANN and its precedessor, gTLD-MoU, please visit, http://www.media-visions.com/icann.htm and my earlier writings, http://www.media-visions.com/netdemocracy.html. We need to know where we've been to understand where we are now or where we may be going next. Perhaps my efforts (despite primitive layouts) may educate you, so you can view ICANN with your eyes open. -- ken Ken Freed Media Journalist mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Publisher, Media Visions Journal http://www.media-visions.com "Deep literacy makes global sense" >Hello Jay, > >I am very interested in your response, in particular this:- > >> And when you say ... >> "I call upon the mainstream media to investigate and substantiate >> allegations of deceptive practices and corruption that flow forth in >> abundance from those monitoring proceedings from within the ICANN >> organization on a daily basis. If what I hear is true, this story is bigger >> than Watergate..." >> ... you imply that the media hasn't covered ICANN >> because they are ignorant about what has been >> going on. >> >> Truth of the matter is, they aren't ignorant, >> they are simply suppressing the story. I know >> this first hand, as I have spent hours educating >> reporters, only to have them transferred, fired, >> or their stories rejected or changed by their >> editors. > >I would be most interested in knowing the facts you have to substantiate >these allegations. However, I have to tell you that I am in new York, and as >such, deeply affected by recent events, with one missing family member. >Understandably, I am taking some time out of ICANN affairs to give priority >elsewhere, but wanted to flag this as something deserving of attention in >due course. Please send your response on or offlist and I will get back to >you when I can. > >Regards, >Joanna
Re: [IFWP] Re: Introduction
Hello Jay, I am very interested in your response, in particular this:- > And when you say ... > "I call upon the mainstream media to investigate and substantiate > allegations of deceptive practices and corruption that flow forth in > abundance from those monitoring proceedings from within the ICANN > organization on a daily basis. If what I hear is true, this story is bigger > than Watergate..." > ... you imply that the media hasn't covered ICANN > because they are ignorant about what has been > going on. > > Truth of the matter is, they aren't ignorant, > they are simply suppressing the story. I know > this first hand, as I have spent hours educating > reporters, only to have them transferred, fired, > or their stories rejected or changed by their > editors. I would be most interested in knowing the facts you have to substantiate these allegations. However, I have to tell you that I am in new York, and as such, deeply affected by recent events, with one missing family member. Understandably, I am taking some time out of ICANN affairs to give priority elsewhere, but wanted to flag this as something deserving of attention in due course. Please send your response on or offlist and I will get back to you when I can. Regards, Joanna
Re: [IFWP] "working within ICANN"
I cannot at all understand the suggestion, which I read in your message, that participating in ICANN is a threat for ... well, what exactly, as well as a sort of treason. As long as one is clear and honest? It is impossible to ignore and route around ICANN. Anyone connecting to the internet uses root-servers.net. You have a .com domain. On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, at 00:38 [=GMT-0700], Einar Stefferud wrote: > Well, we run some danger of you going to ICANN meetings and spilling > our beans;-)... > > So, you will find some hostility here to people who insist on > participating in both. We a re not going to try to kill ICANN, but > we also do not want to put our head in the ICANN guillotine for no > good purpose other then to lose our heads. > > We need to use some stealth in our effort to route around ICANN. > We do not need to visibly thumb our noses at them, or parade by with > a brass band to get their attention. > > It is hard to agree to ignore them and at the same time work with > them in their faked up committees. > > So, I fear you are going to get you chance to choose paths. > > Cheers...\Stef > > > At 00:11 +0200 11/09/01, Marc Schneiders wrote: > >Is this true? Does it not depend on _how_ you work inside ICANN? I see > >a lot of people active on the ncdnhc list who 'hate' ICANN as much as > >possible. Still they vote for the ICANN board seat (maybe without > >success) if they happen to be on the Names Council. Lets not ostracize > >each other. I am not putting any money on ICANN. Still, I don't see > >why I could not participate in some of its processes and at the same > >time be part of 'alternatives'. I would rather see things in the > >perspective of the wrong party being in power. Not the power being so > >entagled in cosa nostra that all I can do is buy a gun and go into the > >mountains. > >Anyway, I live in a country that is flat. > >
Re: [IFWP] "working within ICANN"
Paranoid, Stef? Do you always presume that everyone is against you? Look at your mistaken presumption regarding my views on democracy. Critical thinking helps prevent embrassment by jumping to conclusions, There are more obvious "leaks" on the list than myself, e.g. Mr. Crispin, who's arrival effectively killed all communications on this list, it seems -- ken >Of course, and I assume you will make sure that it is passed along, >in case someone else has not;-)... > >Fortunately, "my plans" are just thoughts on the fly;-)... > >But thank you very much for informing everyone here that ICANN has >spies all around us, to be sure they know what we think, so they can >resist any good ideas we might have;-)... > >Thank you very much;-)...\Stef > >PS: I assume you did not really intend to pass along such useful info;-)...\s > > >At 09:36 -0600 11/09/01, Ken Freed wrote: >>As for ICANN finding out your plan, Stef, seems wise to presume that >>your postings here have already been forwarded to ICANN by lurkers >>on this list. There is no stealth on an open mailing list >>-- ken >> >> >> >>>Well, we run some danger of you going to ICANN meetings and >>>spilling our beans;-)... >>> >>>So, you will find some hostility here to people who insist on >>>participating in both. We a re not going to try to kill ICANN, but >>>we also do not want to put our head in the ICANN guillotine for no >>>good purpose other then to lose our heads. >>> >>>We need to use some stealth in our effort to route around ICANN. >>>We do not need to visibly thumb our noses at them, or parade by >>>with a brass band to get their attention. >>> >>>It is hard to agree to ignore them and at the same time work with >>>them in their faked up committees. >>> >>>So, I fear you are going to get you chance to choose paths. >>> >>>Cheers...\Stef >>> >>> >>>At 00:11 +0200 11/09/01, Marc Schneiders wrote: Is this true? Does it not depend on _how_ you work inside ICANN? I see a lot of people active on the ncdnhc list who 'hate' ICANN as much as possible. Still they vote for the ICANN board seat (maybe without success) if they happen to be on the Names Council. Lets not ostracize each other. I am not putting any money on ICANN. Still, I don't see why I could not participate in some of its processes and at the same time be part of 'alternatives'. I would rather see things in the perspective of the wrong party being in power. Not the power being so entagled in cosa nostra that all I can do is buy a gun and go into the mountains. Anyway, I live in a country that is flat.
