Re: [luau] smb copy question
Alvin, if you can mount the drive you can copy the files from directory to directory. Try the command 'mount /// /mnt/fileservr -o ' substituting the names of your servers and shared folder to wherever you want to mount it to on your system. And of course you have made the smb password for your user using the 'smbpasswd' command. Hope that helps, Jon On Mon, 2002-10-21 at 00:25, Alvin Murphy wrote: > I have recently abandoned RH 8.0 mainly because I could not get it to > configure and print pirnters either local or SMB; I am back on Mandrake > 9 which does very well at this task. Alas, I have not figured out how to > copy files from my win boxes to my lin boxes using smb:// in the file > manager (Konqueror or Nautilus); I cannot do this under Mandrake but did > very well in RH. Cannot figure out why. I realize that no one may be > able to help me with this small amount of information but I do not know > what information to provide. I can connect to the other machines by > smbmount, but since this is a laptop, I would like to be able to copy > the files to carry with me. I suppose I will have to resort to zip > drives or similar. Thanks > > ___ > LUAU mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
[luau] smb copy question
I have recently abandoned RH 8.0 mainly because I could not get it to configure and print pirnters either local or SMB; I am back on Mandrake 9 which does very well at this task. Alas, I have not figured out how to copy files from my win boxes to my lin boxes using smb:// in the file manager (Konqueror or Nautilus); I cannot do this under Mandrake but did very well in RH. Cannot figure out why. I realize that no one may be able to help me with this small amount of information but I do not know what information to provide. I can connect to the other machines by smbmount, but since this is a laptop, I would like to be able to copy the files to carry with me. I suppose I will have to resort to zip drives or similar. Thanks
RE: [luau] solicit
On Sun, 2002-10-20 at 20:52, Randall Oshita wrote: > > Question: > Running VMware or Crossover would still require you to run an instance > of MS windows right (guest OS)? VMWare is a virtual machine that runs x86 compatible operating systems, so yes you need an instance of MS Windows. CrossOver is an implementation of Windows itself based upon the WINE. This is NOT emulation. The benefit here is that you don't need a Microsoft license, and it is possible to do for free if you have lots of patience with the WINE source code. CrossOver is a good product because most people don't have the time and patience to compile and configure Wine, the Windows registry and DLL's manually. WINE in general only works well with applications that are official supported. If they aren't, then you could probably pay CodeWeavers a few thousand bucks and they will make WINE run your proprietary Windows application on Linux, but otherwise you probably have little chance getting it to run reliably. > So that being the case, the Linux box is running an app Vmware which > uses an instance or guest OS of MS windows to run that MS dental app on > your Linux box. > Now if you were looking to switch to Linux to get-away from the problems > of MS, this would not work. Right?? > You gain a small amount of reliability and robustness with VMWare snapshots, but otherwise I see very little value in running VMWare or Win4Lin over plain Windows. IMHO the cost is rather high and you lose a significant amount of performance. I currently recommend using Linux where it does the job well, unfortunately this area with Windows proprietary applications it doesn't yet.
[luau] Good Guy/Bad Buy
>From: Joe Linux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Jimen is on my "good guy" list. Common sense and the adage "Least said, soonest mended." tell me I should keep quiet on this one, however, I think I have a worthy question: How is this one line post/comment *not* that of a troll? If you are not civil, you only prove your detractor's point. A
RE: [luau] solicit
Neal How do you like the look and feel of RH 8.0? I really find it great as a desktop application. The Ximian mail application works better than K-mail or even MS. I know Crossover and VMware have great features allowing the convergence of MS and RH. Dan On Sun, 2002-10-20 at 12:11, Neal & Gay Timon wrote: > > I have a peer to peer windows network at my dental office. It seems to > gradually operate slower and slower unless I shut the system down and > reboot. The proprietary dental software I use mandates a Windows > environment (I think) and I hate the problems of computers freezing, > losing the data base, etc. I understand using Linux in the background may > be an answer. I have bought Red Hat 8.0, installed it at home and will play > with it today to try and share a wireless network with my neighbor. I want > help with the office project if it is feasible and will be beneficial. > +++ Question: Running VMware or Crossover would still require you to run an instance of MS windows right (guest OS)? So that being the case, the Linux box is running an app Vmware which uses an instance or guest OS of MS windows to run that MS dental app on your Linux box. Now if you were looking to switch to Linux to get-away from the problems of MS, this would not work. Right?? I could be wrong and just trying to help. Randall
Re: [luau] News - True Resizing Support on XFree86 4.3
Warren Togami wrote: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/10/20/1914253&mode=thread&tid=104 "Great news from our favorite windowing system: [Hewlett-Packard] engineers committed a new extension to XFree86, called RandR. XFree86 4.3 (to be released in late 2002/early 2003), will have the ability to truly resize (not via the pseudo-resize CNTRL+[+/-] command), rotate, reflect and change the refresh rate of each screen of an X display on the fly." snip This is very cool indeed. Hopefully I'll get home in time tomorrow to give Jim and Keith props for their great work. This is actually really useful. I've been using it on my ipaq for a while (the rotation part) and even without WM support it does alright. --MonMotha pgpI80A5Tv3G9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [luau] solicit
Neal How do you like the look and feel of RH 8.0? I really find it great as a desktop application. The Ximian mail application works better than K-mail or even MS. I know Crossover and VMware have great features allowing the convergence of MS and RH. Dan On Sun, 2002-10-20 at 12:11, Neal & Gay Timon wrote: > > I have a peer to peer windows network at my dental office. It seems to > gradually operate slower and slower unless I shut the system down and > reboot. The proprietary dental software I use mandates a Windows > environment (I think) and I hate the problems of computers freezing, > losing the data base, etc. I understand using Linux in the background may > be an answer. I have bought Red Hat 8.0, installed it at home and will play > with it today to try and share a wireless network with my neighbor. I want > help with the office project if it is feasible and will be beneficial. > > Neal Timon > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 808 5331100 > 808 5212441 > downtown area Honolulu > > ___ > LUAU mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] kernel module, /proc filesystem, and mmap
Hmm, it seems if proc_fops is set, these two have no effect. That's not a big deal, since I only care about mmap'ing a variable. I took a quick peek at the code and it seems that it already initializes proc_fops, so maybe instead of replacing it, you could just update it. entry->proc_fops.mmap = ; that way the default handlers for seek, read and write work. I'll take a look at the example... Yea the example was pretty clear and covers creating directories and even creating /dev entries. It doesn't cover your specific case with mmap though. Anyway, when you send me your code i'll be able to find out more by playing around. Make sure you send me a makefile with it, because i don't know what flags, include paths, and preprocessor definitions need to be sent to the compiler, --Ray
[luau] News - True Resizing Support on XFree86 4.3
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/10/20/1914253&mode=thread&tid=104 "Great news from our favorite windowing system: [Hewlett-Packard] engineers committed a new extension to XFree86, called RandR. XFree86 4.3 (to be released in late 2002/early 2003), will have the ability to truly resize (not via the pseudo-resize CNTRL+[+/-] command), rotate, reflect and change the refresh rate of each screen of an X display on the fly." http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=103503800028779&w=2 KDE Support http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-hackers-readonly/2002-September/msg00282.html Gnome Support
Re: [luau] Proposed list guidelines
On Sun, 2002-10-20 at 14:27, Jimen Ching wrote: > But it does get very frustrating when some very vocal members start > voicing opinions on the list concerning the direction of the group that > contradicts the goals. Your options then are either to ignore it, which > might result in the group going in what I believe to be the wrong > direction, or get into a flame war. In both cases, it is a lose-lose > situation. > Well said. You are right, I too let my anger get the better of me, distracting me from the real goals that we are all fighting for. In the future I should do the right thing and simply ignore a post that I feel is annoying. It doesn't help the situation to incite a flame war. Warren
Re: [luau] Proposed list guidelines
On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, Joe Linux wrote: >I don't think the mentioning of being "blacklisted" is very appropriate >as it is sort of Klu Klux Klan like in thought an spirit. You're right. When I first started on the Internet, I received a few emails from people who said they have placed me into their kill file or whatever. I never understood why they felt they needed to notify me of this. Like I cared. I also never believed in such things. I just can't believe I let Warren get so deep under my skin that I became part of this group. I will delete my kill file, since I've never believed in such concepts before, and I shouldn't have started now. But it does get very frustrating when some very vocal members start voicing opinions on the list concerning the direction of the group that contradicts the goals. Your options then are either to ignore it, which might result in the group going in what I believe to be the wrong direction, or get into a flame war. In both cases, it is a lose-lose situation. --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [luau] List Policy
On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, Joe Linux wrote: >than just technical knowledge. A leader has to be a people person , and >good politician. Leadership isn't insulting people for their opinion >when they have solicited opinions in the first place. I find it >extremely offensive to be labeled a "troll" whatever that is in techno >jargon. I like the members of the Luau group, and see it as an >organization which has great potential to promote "open source" in >Hawaii. I should point out, Warren is the leader of the MPLUG. I don't know if LUAU actually has a leader. We tried to setup an official organization, but the members simply didn't have enough time to dedicate to the group. I never heard from it again. Warren came along, started MPLUG, and tried to convince the members of LUAU to switch to his own mailing list. When that failed, he just moved the entire list over to his server when the previous host couldn't provide the processor time and disk space. No one wanted the LUAU mailing list to just disappear, so no one complained. I'm not sure if this is sufficient reason to call Warren the LUAU leader. Its his right to dictate list policy, but I don't think LUAU has a leader, and the members seem to do fine without one. --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[luau] solicit
I have a peer to peer windows network at my dental office. It seems to gradually operate slower and slower unless I shut the system down and reboot. The proprietary dental software I use mandates a Windows environment (I think) and I hate the problems of computers freezing, losing the data base, etc. I understand using Linux in the background may be an answer. I have bought Red Hat 8.0, installed it at home and will play with it today to try and share a wireless network with my neighbor. I want help with the office project if it is feasible and will be beneficial. Neal Timon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 808 5331100 808 5212441 downtown area Honolulu
Re: [luau] List Policy
That makes sense. But I think this has preoccupied enough time and Warren has a decision to make on what action he feels needs to be taken. If someone wants to conduct business with someone whose soliciting help then let them do it with personal emails do not use the list to conduct business. If you need help and get over your head than gather your questions and ask them in a single posting then anyone who wants to respond directly can. But lets not kick a dead dog and over analyze everything. On Sat, 2002-10-19 at 17:50, Elayne Man wrote: > Okay, let's stop (indirectly) pointing fingers here... it may have been > better to personally contact Ed about his e-mails, but nobody's perfect. > If you have a problem with someone, try to take it out on them > personally; the whole list doesn't need to know. (Maybe something of > this extent can be added to the policy that Scott is writing?) > > George, you often talk about how lousy the LUAU operation is, and stated > a couple of times about your "CLUE" group in Denver. So why don't you > become a part of the solution by telling us how CLUE runs their group? > Let's learn by example & experience. I remember Warren mentioning that > the Silicon Valley Linux Users Group had an interesting list policy worth > looking at: http://www.svlug.org/policies/list-policy.shtml > > "Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad > judgement." - quite true > > > elayne > > > "Joe Linux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > I agree fully with you, but I guess at this point I see this as problem > > where a single individual is enforcing policy where no policy exists. > > Now you can ask is the problem do to a lack of policy or an individual > > who makes up policy on the spot, with little thought as he goes along. > > Since I was at the brunt of this in the past, I guess I can admit that > > a certain amount of bad blood is coming out now as I see the same thing > > happening to others that happened in the past to me. An yes, I agree > > this is definitely not in the interest of actually building and open > > source community. I would like to point out that I'm also a member of > > the "CLUE" group in Denver, and there are is virtually no equivalent > > problem. > ___ > LUAU mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] kernel module, /proc filesystem, and mmap
On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, Ray Strode wrote:
>> mode = ...; /* read/write for all... */
>> entry = create_proc_entry("jimen", mode, NULL);
>> entry->proc_fops = my_fops;
>My guess is that you probably need to set entry->read_proc and
>entry->write_proc also. (I don't know if you've seen
>linux/Documentation/DocBook/procfs_example.c or not, but it seems like a
>pretty easy example to follow).
Hmm, it seems if proc_fops is set, these two have no effect. That's not a
big deal, since I only care about mmap'ing a variable. Even if I did
create these functions, they would be empty stubs.
I'll take a look at the example...
>> if (remap_page_range(vma->vm_start, (unsigned long)&var,
>offtopic, but that cast doesn't sit well with me (because whose to say
>sizeof(int *) == sizeof(long) ?) For instance on sparc i think that long
>is 32-bit and pointers are 64-bit, so a cast like that would cut off half
>the address's bits.
>That said... I think it must be right because the kernel developers are a
>lot smarter than me :-) and they've prototyped the function that way.
Kernel developers or not, they're still humans, I think. ;-)
Anyway, I cast the pointer because gcc gave a warning due to the prototype
and argument type mismatch. You know, the one about implicit cast between
pointer and integer.
>> But without it, I'm not even getting a valid pointer.
>You mean you are getting a valid pointer, but the value the pointer
>points to doesn't change?
Yes, that's what I meant. Though I question whether the pointer is
actually valid, since the content never changes, even when I try to modify
it from the application.
>If you sent me your code, I wouldn't mind playing around with it. I've
>always kinda wanted to learn kernel programming.
I'll send you the code tomorrow via private email. I need to clean it up
first. Thanks.
--jc
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Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [luau] Proposed list guidelines
Joe Linux wrote: I like your guidelines very much, and suggest only the following change: Change "You will likely be ignored or placed into a black list" to "You most likely will be ignored by many of the members." Thanks. I meant to imply that a member would add such an offender to their blocked list. You are right, though, it sounds as if the list maintains a black list that one could be found on. I will modify this. Also you probably should include some statement to the effect that "Direct insults to or towards specific members of the group which do nothing to promote group harmony are considered inappropriate and therefore are highly discouraged." I tried to address this with the following: "Responding to other members on the list to address personal issues is generally discouraged. This is a gathering. If you have an issue with a person at a gathering, you don't disrespect the peace of the others by publicizing your personal grievances. This communication is best left off the list." scott
Re: [luau] Proposed list guidelines
I like your guidelines very much, and suggest only the following change: Change "You will likely be ignored or placed into a black list" to "You most likely will be ignored by many of the members." I don't think the mentioning of being "blacklisted" is very appropriate as it is sort of Klu Klux Klan like in thought an spirit. It seems to me that we all should have the maturity to ignore or at the the least simply delete the posts that don't interest us, or bother us in some way. Also you probably should include some statement to the effect that "Direct insults to or towards specific members of the group which do nothing to promote group harmony are considered inappropriate and therefore are highly discouraged." R. Scott Belford wrote: This is my proposed list guideline/welcome. I have inserted it into my message, and I am including a plain text attachment. Please do with it what you will. You don't have to like it. Just help make it better if you don't.
Re: [luau] List Policy
Quitters are losers. I'm not quitting. Warren Togami wrote: I think SVLUG policy was mentioned by Gary Sublett, who later quit the list in protest because he was completely offended by commercial posts.
Re: [luau] List Policy
I actually haven't stated that the LUAU operation is lousy. What I have said is that the CLUE group doesn't suffer from these petty disagreements over how and what to post. Basically there is free and open discussion, a monthly meeting which almost always has a different person doing the presenting. I gave a presentation there myself on my modifications to the ICE Windowing manager to make it extremely user friendly. Everyone's' presentation usually includes some sort of side show presentation, and supporting printed documentation which is handed out to the group. The sessions are divided into two parts. A KISS session for people with less experience with Linux, and then a more heavy duty main presentation of more advanced topics. The main presentation is usually by professional IT managers or professional programmers. They have had presentations by people working at Silicon Graphics, Sun Microsystems, the CEO of Colorado Tape Backup drives, Techangle ISP, Standard & Poors IT manager and so forth. My presentation was for the KISS session. Each meeting has extensive door prizes. When your number is called, you get to choose from a table full of books and boxed distributions and other novelty items related to Linux or open source. They had an auction and I won the high bid on a bundle of Adobe PhotoShop 5.0, 5.5 and Adobe Pagemaker 6.5 all in the original boxes for $13.00. The president is a very likable amiable guy who is easy to talk too. Honestly, I have never been insulted by the president, or anyone else there. They certainly don't devote time to "list policy" or "netiquette". Everyone just does their thing in a very professional manner, and they share their knowledge with one another. There isn't just one star. Everyone is made to feel like a contributing member. I think the MidPac group is a good group and the CompUSA presentation was a very good thing. I know that LinuxDan worked very hard on it. Scott Belford has great ideas and experience. Some of the MidPac group members are every bit if not more knowledgeable then the people in Denver. I find it a shame that immediately after the CompUSA demo day, all this strife had to break out. I actually haven't been critical of the group as a whole, but have certainly suffered abusive, degrading treatment from the leader, and I don't think that's a good thing, particularly when I see the same thing happening to others who are just new to the list or who are seeking help and are willing to pay for it. I may be in the middle of the discussion, but I certainly didn't start the problem. My initial biggest offense apparently was forgetting on occasion to trim a post. It went downhill from there. Ironically my wife and I have been financial contributors to the group, and find it very unethical and unprofessional to be continually insulted by the leader. Something's not right.Leadership is more than just technical knowledge. A leader has to be a people person , and good politician. Leadership isn't insulting people for their opinion when they have solicited opinions in the first place. I find it extremely offensive to be labeled a "troll" whatever that is in techno jargon. I like the members of the Luau group, and see it as an organization which has great potential to promote "open source" in Hawaii. But for this to happen, the leadership will have to stop directly insulting others, particularly those who have directly contributed financially to the cause. I'm not asking for special favors, but I certainly didn't expect abusive treatment when I made my donation. Elayne Man wrote: Okay, let's stop (indirectly) pointing fingers here... it may have been better to personally contact Ed about his e-mails, but nobody's perfect. If you have a problem with someone, try to take it out on them personally; the whole list doesn't need to know. (Maybe something of this extent can be added to the policy that Scott is writing?) George, you often talk about how lousy the LUAU operation is, and stated a couple of times about your "CLUE" group in Denver. So why don't you become a part of the solution by telling us how CLUE runs their group? Let's learn by example & experience. I remember Warren mentioning that the Silicon Valley Linux Users Group had an interesting list policy worth looking at: http://www.svlug.org/policies/list-policy.shtml "Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement." - quite true elayne
Re: [luau] List Policy
Message Deleted as the poster often resorts to name calling as opposed to intelligent discussion. Now we have a new term and concept "Netrollism" which apparently is any discussion of group policy which is in disagreement with the self appointed list policy netiquette leader. Warren Togami wrote: On Sat, 2002-10-19 at 13:16, Jimen Ching wrote: On 18 Oct 2002, Warren Togami wrote: Yes, and now you're going on my blacklist. I can't stand you. Could you put me on your blacklist as well? And I'll do the same for youon mine. Thanks. Although I often don't agree with your viewpoints, but I at least canrespect your opinion. George has proven to be nothing but a troll, so Ichoose not to read anything he says from now on.___LUAU mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] List Policy
Basically my feeling is that each person should post in a manner which is comfortable to them. If I don't want to read something I just delete it with my key. For example I delete all of my own posts. Often I delete stuff on the intricacies of server set up or bulk email handling, as it's not something I'm into. I guess I delete most of the threads related to the discussion of problems with RedHat as I don't use it. Usually if I respond or post, it is a response to what someone has actually posted. For example I responded to Warren when he stated that he is an expert at spam handling and has his machine finely tweaked to eliminate the problem. I was somewhat curious why someone is so worried about alleged spam when from all outward appearances the person has that one aspect of their life very much under automated control. Jimen Ching wrote: Whether responses should go into the same email depends on whether thecontent is for one thread or different threads. Personally, it isconfusing to discuss multiple threads in the same email. Some sentencesmay be ambiguous, and if there are multiple threads in the same email, howdoes one know which thread it was refering to? This is how flame warsstart. People misinterpret the wording, and all hell breaks loose.On the other hand, if I want to respond to multiple people on the samethread, I tend to put it all in the same email. It is easier for me tocompose the email and follow the thread.This is just how I do things.--jc
Re: [luau] List Policy
Jimen is on my "good guy" list. Jimen Ching wrote: On 18 Oct 2002, Warren Togami wrote: Yes, and now you're going on my blacklist. I can't stand you. Could you put me on your blacklist as well? And I'll do the same for youon mine. Thanks.--jc
Re: [luau] Proposed list guidelines
This is my proposed list guideline/welcome. I have inserted it into my message, and I am including a plain text attachment. Please do with it what you will. You don't have to like it. Just help make it better if you don't. Very nicely written. Thank you for taking the time to do it. George, what do you think of the guidelines? --Ray
