Re: Re: translations, category

2012-12-28 Thread Kornel Benko
Am Freitag, 28. Dezember 2012 um 09:45:29, schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller 

> Richard Heck wrote:
> > Sectioning sounds right to me.
> 
> Kornel, can you do the change yourself?

I will.

> Jürgen

Kornel

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Re: translations, category

2012-12-28 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Richard Heck wrote:
> Sectioning sounds right to me.

Kornel, can you do the change yourself?

Jürgen


Re: translations, category

2012-12-27 Thread Richard Heck

On 12/27/2012 12:15 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller  wrote:

Kornel Benko wrote:

"Sectioning" strikes me the better English term, and it would solve the
problem.

OK, please.

I'd like to hear the opinon of a native speaker first.

I'd be happy to give my opinion but I don't know anything about
layouts so I would need some context here, or a reference to a LyX
help section that I should read. Or we can wait for Richard.

Sectioning sounds right to me.

rh



Re: translations, category

2012-12-27 Thread Scott Kostyshak
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller  wrote:
> Kornel Benko wrote:
>> > "Sectioning" strikes me the better English term, and it would solve the
>> > problem.
>>
>> OK, please.
>
> I'd like to hear the opinon of a native speaker first.

I'd be happy to give my opinion but I don't know anything about
layouts so I would need some context here, or a reference to a LyX
help section that I should read. Or we can wait for Richard.

Scott


Re: translations, category

2012-12-27 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Kornel Benko wrote:
> You mean inside some concrete layout-files?

Yes.

> I had in mind to define somewhere a category-priority, (may it be in
> preferences, or some category-config.layout file) This way there would be
> no change to existing layouts. In case of nothing defined, we may stick to
> current behaviour.

We do not have a fixed set of categories, though.

Jürgen


Re: Re: translations, category

2012-12-27 Thread Kornel Benko
Am Donnerstag, 27. Dezember 2012 um 13:49:32, schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller 

> Kornel Benko wrote:
> > > "Sectioning" strikes me the better English term, and it would solve the
> > > problem.
> > 
> > OK, please.
> 
> I'd like to hear the opinon of a native speaker first.

According to LaTeX companion there are sectioning commands. So ...

> > I missed this one. But the sorting here is only alphabetic (in the
> > translated language) and only inside a category. (My wish was to sort
> > categories)
> 
> I see. This makes sense, but it is in the responsibility of the layout 
> maintainers. There might be arguments for different orders in different 
> classes.
> 
> However, you can propose concrete changes and see if there are objections.

You mean inside some concrete layout-files?

I had in mind to define somewhere a category-priority, (may it be in 
preferences, or some category-config.layout file)
This way there would be no change to existing layouts. In case of nothing 
defined,
we may stick to current behaviour.

> Jürgen
> 
Kornel

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Re: translations, category

2012-12-27 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Kornel Benko wrote:
> > "Sectioning" strikes me the better English term, and it would solve the
> > problem.
> 
> OK, please.

I'd like to hear the opinon of a native speaker first.

> I missed this one. But the sorting here is only alphabetic (in the
> translated language) and only inside a category. (My wish was to sort
> categories)

I see. This makes sense, but it is in the responsibility of the layout 
maintainers. There might be arguments for different orders in different 
classes.

However, you can propose concrete changes and see if there are objections.

Jürgen

>   Kornel



Re: Re: translations, category

2012-12-27 Thread Kornel Benko
Am Donnerstag, 27. Dezember 2012 um 13:31:41, schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller 

> Kornel Benko wrote:
> > 1.) Could we please rename
> > Category Section
> > to
> > Category Section[[structure]]
> > 
> > That way we may translate it e.g. in German to "Gliederung" instead
> > of "Abschnitt".
> 
> "Sectioning" strikes me the better English term, and it would solve the 
> problem.

OK, please.

> > 2.) The position of categories inside the available styles varies between
> > different layouts. This takes getting used to.
> > We could make it more consistent through some sort of sorting, or
> > define the order like a.) everything without category
> > b.) FrontMatter
> > c.) Lists
> > d.) Section[[structure]]
> > e.) Unnumbered
> > f.) BackMatter
> 
> Note that the order in the layout determines the order in the combo. Since 
> you 
> can switch off ordering by category in the preferences, the order you propose 
> might not be the desired one in this case.

I missed this one. But the sorting here is only alphabetic (in the translated 
language)
and only inside a category. (My wish was to sort categories)

> Jürgen
> 

Kornel

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Re: translations, category

2012-12-27 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Kornel Benko wrote:
> 1.) Could we please rename
> Category Section
> to
> Category Section[[structure]]
> 
> That way we may translate it e.g. in German to "Gliederung" instead
> of "Abschnitt".

"Sectioning" strikes me the better English term, and it would solve the 
problem.

> 2.) The position of categories inside the available styles varies between
> different layouts. This takes getting used to.
> We could make it more consistent through some sort of sorting, or
> define the order like a.) everything without category
> b.) FrontMatter
> c.) Lists
> d.) Section[[structure]]
> e.) Unnumbered
> f.) BackMatter

Note that the order in the layout determines the order in the combo. Since you 
can switch off ordering by category in the preferences, the order you propose 
might not be the desired one in this case.

Jürgen