Re: can't install lyx

2006-07-21 Thread Jose' Matos
On Thursday 20 July 2006 23:02, Stephen Smethurst wrote:
> ***
> * So I tried with YUM:
> ***
> $ yum install lyx

  What are the enabled repositories in yum configuration?

  We have several computers running lyx in FC-4 with no problem, both 
installing and updating.

-- 
José Abílio


Re: can't install lyx

2006-07-20 Thread Rich Shepard

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, Stephen Smethurst wrote:

Hello all,my first posting 'cos I get off the starting line. I hope someone 
can help


***
* Tried to install from source:
***
Running Fedora Core 4, gcc-4.0.0-8, source says my compiler isn't good 
enough.


Steve,

  Hm-m-m. That's not likely. gcc-3.3.6 is installed on my Slackware boxes
and LyX-1.4.2 built as flawlessly as did the others.

  I suggest that you try it again. Begin with './configure --help | less'
and look at the options available to you. I'd highly recommend one to use:
--with-frontend=qt. The advantage of building from source is that it will
build with the library versions you have on your system. Tell us what this
step reports.

  Then, instead of running 'make install,' use Google to find a copy of
'checkinstall.' This tool replaces 'make install,' and makes a package for
Slackware, Debian, or Red Hat. It doesn't install the package, but lets you
do it yourself. I used it with the latter until I left RH at 7.3 and
migrated to Slackware about three years ago. Now I use it with Slackware and
it registers applications I build locally with the package database.

HTH,

Rich

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Re: can't install lyx

2006-07-20 Thread Richard Heck

> ***
> * So I tried with YUM:
> ***
> $ yum install lyx
> 
> Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-libs = 6.8.2-31 is needed by
> package xorg-x11
> Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-libs = 6.8.2-31 is needed by
> package xorg-x11-devel
> Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-libs = 6.8.2-31 is needed by
> package xorg-x11-xfs
> Error: Missing Dependency: XFree86-libs >= 4.2.99 is needed by package
> libgnomeui
> Error: Missing Dependency: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB is needed by
> package openmotif
> Error: Missing Dependency: libdps.so.1 is needed by package ImageMagick
> Error: Missing Dependency: libdps.so.1 is needed by package xorg-x11
> Error: Missing Dependency: XFree86-libs is needed by package synaptics
> Error: Missing Dependency: libdpstk.so.1 is needed by package ImageMagick
> Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel is needed by package
> kdesdk-devel
> Error: Missing Dependency: XFree86-devel is needed by package
> startup-notification-devel
> Error: Missing Dependency: XFree86-devel is needed by package gtk2-devel
> Error: Missing Dependency: XFree86-devel is needed by package SDL-devel
> Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel is needed by package qt-devel
> Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel is needed by package gd-devel
> Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel is needed by package
> Xaw3d-devel
> Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel is needed by package
> openmotif-devel
> Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel = 6.8.2-31 is needed by
> package xorg-x11-deprecated-libs-devel
>
> $ yum install lyx-qt
> 
> Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-libs = 6.8.2-31 is needed by
> package xorg-x11
> Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-libs = 6.8.2-31 is needed by
> package xorg-x11-devel
> Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-libs = 6.8.2-31 is needed by
> package xorg-x11-xfs
> Error: Missing Dependency: XFree86-libs >= 4.2.99 is needed by package
> libgnomeui
> Error: Missing Dependency: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB is needed by
> package openmotif
> Error: Missing Dependency: libdps.so.1 is needed by package ImageMagick
> Error: Missing Dependency: libdps.so.1 is needed by package xorg-x11
> Error: Missing Dependency: XFree86-libs is needed by package synaptics
> Error: Missing Dependency: libdpstk.so.1 is needed by package ImageMagick
> Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel is needed by package
> kdesdk-devel
> Error: Missing Dependency: XFree86-devel is needed by package
> startup-notification-devel
> Error: Missing Dependency: XFree86-devel is needed by package gtk2-devel
> Error: Missing Dependency: XFree86-devel is needed by package SDL-devel
> Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel is needed by package qt-devel
> Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel is needed by package gd-devel
> Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel is needed by package
> Xaw3d-devel
> Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel is needed by package
> openmotif-devel
> Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel = 6.8.2-31 is needed by
> package xorg-x11-deprecated-libs-devel
>
> But I have these dependencies as shown by rpm -q
>
> $ rpm -q xorg-x11-libs
> xorg-x11-libs-6.8.2-31
>
> $ rpm -q xorg-x11-devel
> xorg-x11-devel-6.8.2-31
yum's error messages aren't always as informative as they might be. In
particular, yum will complain if an upgrade would cause a package to
disappear that some other package thinks it needs. So the problem isn't
that you don't have xorg-x11-libs-6.8.2-31, say. The problem is that
what you're asking yum to do would remove it for some reason or other,
probably because yum's trying to upgrade it.

In this case, my guess is that yum is trying to upgrade some packages
that cause dependency errors elsewhere. Here's what I would try. First, run

#yum check-upgrade

and perhaps then

#yum check-upgrade

and make sure your system is otherwise up-to-date. When that's done, try
re-installing lyx-qt again.

Richard


can't install lyx

2006-07-20 Thread Stephen Smethurst
Hello all,my first posting 'cos I get off the starting line. I hope 
someone can help


***
* Tried to install from source:
***
Running Fedora Core 4, gcc-4.0.0-8, source says my compiler isn't good 
enough.


***
* Tried with RPM:
***
rpm -ivh lyx-1.4.1-9.fc4.i386.rpm
error: Failed dependencies:
libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.6) is needed by lyx-1.4.1-9.fc4.i386
lyx-frontend = 1.4.1 is needed by lyx-1.4.1-9.fc4.i386
mathml-fonts is needed by lyx-1.4.1-9.fc4.i386
tetex-dvipost is needed by lyx-1.4.1-9.fc4.i386
tetex-preview is needed by lyx-1.4.1-9.fc4.i386
wv is needed by lyx-1.4.1-9.fc4.i386

rpm -ivh lyx-qt-1.4.1-9.fc4.i386.rpm
error: Failed dependencies:
libAiksaurus-1.2.so.0 is needed by lyx-qt-1.4.1-9.fc4.i386
libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.6) is needed by lyx-qt-1.4.1-9.fc4.i386
lyx = 1.4.1 is needed by lyx-qt-1.4.1-9.fc4.i386

I have libstdc++.so.6 & tetex-dvipost. My reading hints that there are 
some difficulties with libAiksaurus.


***
* So I tried with YUM:
***
$ yum install lyx
  
Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-libs = 6.8.2-31 is needed by package 
xorg-x11
Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-libs = 6.8.2-31 is needed by package 
xorg-x11-devel
Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-libs = 6.8.2-31 is needed by package 
xorg-x11-xfs
Error: Missing Dependency: XFree86-libs >= 4.2.99 is needed by package 
libgnomeui
Error: Missing Dependency: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB is needed by 
package openmotif

Error: Missing Dependency: libdps.so.1 is needed by package ImageMagick
Error: Missing Dependency: libdps.so.1 is needed by package xorg-x11
Error: Missing Dependency: XFree86-libs is needed by package synaptics
Error: Missing Dependency: libdpstk.so.1 is needed by package ImageMagick
Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel is needed by package 
kdesdk-devel
Error: Missing Dependency: XFree86-devel is needed by package 
startup-notification-devel

Error: Missing Dependency: XFree86-devel is needed by package gtk2-devel
Error: Missing Dependency: XFree86-devel is needed by package SDL-devel
Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel is needed by package qt-devel
Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel is needed by package gd-devel
Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel is needed by package Xaw3d-devel
Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel is needed by package 
openmotif-devel
Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel = 6.8.2-31 is needed by package 
xorg-x11-deprecated-libs-devel


$ yum install lyx-qt
  
Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-libs = 6.8.2-31 is needed by package 
xorg-x11
Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-libs = 6.8.2-31 is needed by package 
xorg-x11-devel
Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-libs = 6.8.2-31 is needed by package 
xorg-x11-xfs
Error: Missing Dependency: XFree86-libs >= 4.2.99 is needed by package 
libgnomeui
Error: Missing Dependency: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB is needed by 
package openmotif

Error: Missing Dependency: libdps.so.1 is needed by package ImageMagick
Error: Missing Dependency: libdps.so.1 is needed by package xorg-x11
Error: Missing Dependency: XFree86-libs is needed by package synaptics
Error: Missing Dependency: libdpstk.so.1 is needed by package ImageMagick
Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel is needed by package 
kdesdk-devel
Error: Missing Dependency: XFree86-devel is needed by package 
startup-notification-devel

Error: Missing Dependency: XFree86-devel is needed by package gtk2-devel
Error: Missing Dependency: XFree86-devel is needed by package SDL-devel
Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel is needed by package qt-devel
Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel is needed by package gd-devel
Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel is needed by package Xaw3d-devel
Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel is needed by package 
openmotif-devel
Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-devel = 6.8.2-31 is needed by package 
xorg-x11-deprecated-libs-devel


But I have these dependencies as shown by rpm -q

$ rpm -q xorg-x11-libs
  xorg-x11-libs-6.8.2-31

$ rpm -q xorg-x11-devel
  xorg-x11-devel-6.8.2-31


So whichever way I try it I am faced with fatal errors which do not seem 
factual to me.  Any hints will be gratefully received.



Thanks


Steve S.


Re: Can't install lyx 1.3.7 on OS X. Can't see my tetex install

2006-02-04 Thread Daryl Moulder


On 04/02/2006, at 6:27 PM, Stephen Harris wrote:



- Original Message - From: "Daryl Moulder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Bennett Helm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: Can't install lyx 1.3.7 on OS X. Can't see my tetex  
install



Deleting the /usr/local/teTex dir and reinstalling the full latex   
install did the trick thanks.  The only problem I have now is  
adding  my custom class.  I added it to the path with other .cls  
files and  have a LyX
layout file so I does come up in lyx but for some reason the   
reconfigure command does not pick it up.

Daryl Moulder


You didn't mention running texconfig rehash to update Tetex
before running LyX Reconfigure, Rescan.



Yes that did the trick thanks!

Daryl Moulder

-- When everything is not as square as it may seem.



Re: Can't install lyx 1.3.7 on OS X. Can't see my tetex install

2006-02-03 Thread Daryl Moulder
Deleting the /usr/local/teTex dir and reinstalling the full latex  
install did the trick thanks.  The only problem I have now is adding  
my custom class.  I added it to the path with other .cls files and  
have a LyX
layout file so I does come up in lyx but for some reason the  
reconfigure command does not pick it up.



Daryl Moulder

-- When everything is not as square as it may seem.



Re: Can't install lyx 1.3.7 on OS X. Can't see my tetex install

2006-02-02 Thread Bennett Helm

On Feb 2, 2006, at 9:28 PM, Daryl Moulder wrote:



On 02/02/2006, at 12:56 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Feb 1, 2006, at 4:22 AM, Daryl Moulder wrote:

I can't get lyx-aqua to see my tetex install, I've done the  
reconfigure thing, no dice.  I'm using the standard Os X latex  
install in the

/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/ dir.


You need to be a bit more specific and provide more details. Is it  
that the LyX installer (which changes things in your LyX user's  
directory and makes sure certain LaTeX classes/styles are  
installed properly) gives you an error message when you run it  
saying that it can't find the TeX installation?
No see below.  The problem is when you try to open or create a new  
document.  I cannot find any of the tex classes or styles.   
Reconfigure does not seem to find a valid tetex install (see  
Console.app) output.


If there is a way of manually getting Lyx to point to where the  
standard styles are such as article etc, that would be helpful.




(Did you run the installer?

Yes I ran the installer, here is the output from the installer.


The output from the installer indicates only that there is a  
kpsewhich executable at /usr/local/teTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin- 
current -- the installer doesn't check to see whether latex is  
functional.


I've never seen LyX's configure script give a "not usable" report on  
latex, but it seems that that is your problem, and that is why all  
latex classes are not recognized. (Can you run latex from the Terminal?)


What happens if you reinstall teTeX?

Bennett


Re: Can't install lyx 1.3.7 on OS X. Can't see my tetex install

2006-02-02 Thread Daryl Moulder


On 02/02/2006, at 12:56 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Feb 1, 2006, at 4:22 AM, Daryl Moulder wrote:

I can't get lyx-aqua to see my tetex install, I've done the  
reconfigure thing, no dice.  I'm using the standard Os X latex  
install in the

/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/ dir.


You need to be a bit more specific and provide more details. Is it  
that the LyX installer (which changes things in your LyX user's  
directory and makes sure certain LaTeX classes/styles are installed  
properly) gives you an error message when you run it saying that it  
can't find the TeX installation?
No see below.  The problem is when you try to open or create a new  
document.  I cannot find any of the tex classes or styles.   
Reconfigure does not seem to find a valid tetex install (see  
Console.app) output.


If there is a way of manually getting Lyx to point to where the  
standard styles are such as article etc, that would be helpful.




(Did you run the installer?

Yes I ran the installer, here is the output from the installer.
*** LyX 1.3.7 installation script ***

Fri Feb  3 13:25:42 EST 2006


Now locating TeX binaries ...
Found TeXbin directory: /usr/local/teTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin- 
current

Found installation directory: /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local


Please enter administrative password if prompted to install TeX files.
(Note: For installation of some files, this installer script must be run
from an administrative account.)

Now installing srcltx files in TeX installation directory  Done.
Now installing preview files in TeX installation directory  Done.
Now installing LyX's special .cls and .sty files in TeX installation
directory  Done.

Now updating TeX installation ...
texhash: Updating /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.gwtex/ls-R...
texhash: Updating /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/ls-R...
texhash: Updating /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/ls-R...
texhash: Updating /var/tmp/texfonts/ls-R...
texhash: Done.
Done.

Installation successful! You may now close this window and quit the
Terminal. (Note that quitting the Terminal may be necessary to eject
this disk image.)
logout
[Process completed]


-- That's necessary to set paths properly so that LyX can find your  
TeX installation.) Or is it that from within LyX itself you don't  
find things like View > DVI, View > PDF (pdflatex), etc.?


Assuming it's the latter, what is the output from Console.app when  
you run reconfigure from within LyX?




Here is the Cos
checking for a LaTeX2e program... (latex latex2e)
+checking for "latex"... not useable
+checking for "latex2e"... no
checking for a LaTeX -> LyX converter... (reLyX)
+checking for "reLyX"... yes
checking for a Noweb -> LyX converter... (noweb2lyx)
+checking for "noweb2lyx"... yes
checking for a Noweb -> LaTeX converter... (noweave)
+checking for "noweave"... no
checking for an HTML -> LaTeX converter... (html2latex)
+checking for "html2latex"... no
checking for an MS Word -> LaTeX converter... (wvCleanLatex word2x)
+checking for "wvCleanLatex"... no
+checking for "word2x"... no
checking for a LaTeX -> MS Word converter... (htlatex)
+checking for "htlatex"... yes
checking for Image converter... (convert)
+checking for "convert"... yes
checking for a Postscript previewer... (gsview32 gv ghostview  
kghostview)

+checking for "gsview32"... no
+checking for "gv"... yes
checking for a PDF previewer... (acrobat acrord32 gsview32 acroread  
gv ghostview xpdf kpdf kghostview)

+checking for "acrobat"... no
+checking for "acrord32"... no
+checking for "gsview32"... no
+checking for "acroread"... no
+checking for "gv"... yes
checking for a DVI previewer... (xdvi windvi yap kdvi)
+checking for "xdvi"... yes
checking for an HTML previewer... (mozilla file://$$p$$i netscape)
+checking for "mozilla"... no
+checking for "netscape"... no
checking for a PS to PDF converter... (ps2pdf13 $$i)
+checking for "ps2pdf13"... yes
checking for a DVI to PS converter... (dvips)
+checking for "dvips"... yes
checking for a DVI to PDF converter... (dvipdfm)
+checking for "dvipdfm"... yes
checking for a *roff formatter... (groff -t -Tlatin1 $$FName nroff)
+checking for "groff"... yes
checking for ChkTeX... (chktex -n1 -n3 -n6 -n9 -n22 -n25 -n30 -n38)
+checking for "chktex"... no
checking for a spellchecker... (ispell)
+checking for "ispell"... no
checking for Octave... (octave)
+checking for "octave"... no
checking for Maple... (maple)
+checking for "maple"... no
checking for a fax program... (kdeprintfax ksendfax)
+checking for "kdeprintfax"... no
+checking for "ksendfax"... no
checking for SGML-tools 1.x (LinuxDoc)... (sgml2lyx)
+checking for "sgml2lyx"... no
checking for SGML-tools 2.x (DocBook) or db2x scripts... (sgmltools  
db2dvi)

+checking for "sgmltools"... no
+checking for "db2dvi"... no
checking for a spool command... (lp lpr)
+checking for "lp"... yes
checking for a LaTeX -> HTML converter... (htlatex tth latex2html hevea)
+checking for "htlatex"... yes
checking LaTeX configuration... defau

Re: Can't install lyx 1.3.7 on OS X. Can't see my tetex install

2006-02-01 Thread Ian Stevenson

I still have the latter problem:
from within LyX itself you don't find things like View > DVI, View >  
PDF (pdflatex), etc.


Any help appreciated (see my earlier posts under: Re: Mac Install  
Problems)


Regards,
Ian

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On 02/02/2006, at 12:56 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Feb 1, 2006, at 4:22 AM, Daryl Moulder wrote:

I can't get lyx-aqua to see my tetex install, I've done the  
reconfigure thing, no dice.  I'm using the standard Os X latex  
install in the

/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/ dir.


You need to be a bit more specific and provide more details. Is it  
that the LyX installer (which changes things in your LyX user's  
directory and makes sure certain LaTeX classes/styles are installed  
properly) gives you an error message when you run it saying that it  
can't find the TeX installation? (Did you run the installer? --  
That's necessary to set paths properly so that LyX can find your  
TeX installation.) Or is it that from within LyX itself you don't  
find things like View > DVI, View > PDF (pdflatex), etc.?


Assuming it's the latter, what is the output from Console.app when  
you run reconfigure from within LyX?


Bennett




Re: Can't install lyx 1.3.7 on OS X. Can't see my tetex install

2006-02-01 Thread Bennett Helm

On Feb 1, 2006, at 4:22 AM, Daryl Moulder wrote:

I can't get lyx-aqua to see my tetex install, I've done the  
reconfigure thing, no dice.  I'm using the standard Os X latex  
install in the

/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/ dir.


You need to be a bit more specific and provide more details. Is it  
that the LyX installer (which changes things in your LyX user's  
directory and makes sure certain LaTeX classes/styles are installed  
properly) gives you an error message when you run it saying that it  
can't find the TeX installation? (Did you run the installer? --  
That's necessary to set paths properly so that LyX can find your TeX  
installation.) Or is it that from within LyX itself you don't find  
things like View > DVI, View > PDF (pdflatex), etc.?


Assuming it's the latter, what is the output from Console.app when  
you run reconfigure from within LyX?


Bennett


Can't install lyx 1.3.7 on OS X. Can't see my tetex install

2006-02-01 Thread Daryl Moulder
I can't get lyx-aqua to see my tetex install, I've done the  
reconfigure thing, no dice.  I'm using the standard Os X latex  
install in the

/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/ dir.

Thanks for any information about this.


Daryl Moulder

-- When everything is not as square as it may seem.



Re: can't install lyx 1.1.6fix4

2002-01-17 Thread Jose Abilio Oliveira Matos

On Thursday 17 January 2002 17:22, Kayvan A. Sylvan wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 10:18:30AM +0100, Holger Warm wrote:
> > Hi list,
> > wanted to install lyx1.1.6fix4-1.i386.rpm, but I always get the
> > following messages;
> > tetex-xdvi is needed by lyx-1.1.6fix4-1
> > tetex-latex is needed (...)
> > Why didn't I have this problem before with fix3 ?

  The funny part is that those restrictions were there for previous fix 
versions. I have checked the spec file.

> > Thanks for any help
> > Holger
>
> What Linux distribution are you using? For Redhat, you certainly need
> those packages installed.

-- 
José Abílio



Re: can't install lyx 1.1.6fix4

2002-01-17 Thread Kayvan A. Sylvan

On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 10:18:30AM +0100, Holger Warm wrote:
> Hi list,
> wanted to install lyx1.1.6fix4-1.i386.rpm, but I always get the
> following messages;
> tetex-xdvi is needed by lyx-1.1.6fix4-1
> tetex-latex is needed (...)
> Why didn't I have this problem before with fix3 ?
> Thanks for any help
> Holger

What Linux distribution are you using? For Redhat, you certainly need
those packages installed.

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Re: can't install lyx 1.1.6fix4

2002-01-17 Thread Herbert Voss



Holger Warm wrote:

> Hi list,
> wanted to install lyx1.1.6fix4-1.i386.rpm, but I always get the
> following messages;
> tetex-xdvi is needed by lyx-1.1.6fix4-1
> tetex-latex is needed (...)
> Why didn't I have this problem before with fix3 ?


rpm --nodeps ...

HErbert



-- 
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can't install lyx 1.1.6fix4

2002-01-17 Thread Holger Warm

Hi list,
wanted to install lyx1.1.6fix4-1.i386.rpm, but I always get the
following messages;
tetex-xdvi is needed by lyx-1.1.6fix4-1
tetex-latex is needed (...)
Why didn't I have this problem before with fix3 ?
Thanks for any help
Holger

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