date:20210708

So, I found my spare PCMCIA adapter and rear panel. I could not yet find the 
think client that I installed the other one into, so I do not know for certain 
which model these are for. Many of the other clients in that particular box 
were all V10s, so chances are pretty high that it is a V10 as well.

I think they do use the same PCMCIA board. But the rear panel isn’t going to 
work if it is the wrong model.

I will look some more over the next few days. My storage space is a bit of a 
disaster at the moment.

From: Greg Swallow
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:23 PM
To: Scott McDonnell
Subject: Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC

Scott, 

I'll look into the HP. I would expect the HPs to be Windows friendly. I had an 
C2Q m9200t Pavillion Elite. Great through W7, but openSuse was a dog. I have a 
Dell inspiron 530 C2D that out performed the HP. Gutted the HP and now the Dell 
is the Quad. 

Have looked at some 486DX and up SBC, but budget caused me to check out thin 
clients. The V90LE because I know what to expect inside. I do have a ebay 
seller just dropped his price to $30 w/ free shipping for two Wyse D200 dual 
monitor thin clients. May grab them, but  I'll look into HP as well 

GregS <>< 

Jul 8, 2021 5:29:35 PM Scott McDonnell :
BTW, for one of the test PCs I built here, I needed one with a single PCI slot 
that could run Windows 98. I found the HP T5720 with the extension chassis. 
That would make a great retro computer with a PCI soundblaster. 

I have had a lot of trouble trying to get Windows 98 to run on the Wyse 
terminals. It doesn't seem to like the VIA chipset. 

 Original message  
From: Greg Swallow  
Date: 7/8/21 8:18 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: Scott McDonnell  
Subject: Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC 

Scott, 

That would be great! 

GregS <>< 

Jul 8, 2021 3:45:53 PM Scott McDonnell :
I just realized that I was confusing the C90LE with the V90LE. I actually think 
mine is a V90LE with the PCMCIA. And I actually bought an extra PCMCIA board 
for a second one that I never used. You are right, these come up very rarely. 

I will check what I have later tonight to be sure. I might be willing to part 
with the spare PCMCIA board. I thimk I have the replacement  rear plate for 
that too. 

 Original message  
From: Greg Swallow  
Date: 7/8/21 2:03 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: Scott McDonnell  
Subject: Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC 

Scott, 

V90 is faster than the V10 and the V90LE the fastest of the series. Suppose to 
be a 50% increase between V98L and the V90LE. I have found V90LE w/ PCMCIA on 
eBay from Germany. Some, in the US, claim to be V90, but a close look at the 
tag photo shows V10. May go the V10 route to get the PCMCIA port. 

AC97 is the why for PCMCIA. Intend to drop an SB16 PCMCIA into it. Though I 
don't mean to go for retro gaming. 

GregS <>< 

Jul 8, 2021 10:47:14 AM Scott McDonnell :
I use the Wyse thin clients quite a bit at my work for small single-purpose 
test PCs with DOS and also at home. I have not seen a V90LE with PCMCIA, but 
the V10 can be found with PCMCIA. I have a few of those running.
 
My only real problem with using them for retro-computing is that they have AC97 
sound with a VIA chipset and I have not been able to figure out how to get any 
sound-blaster compatibility out of them for games.
 
From: Russell Flowers
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:12 AM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC
 
That's weird, I don't see Stephen's original reply email to the list. Maybe it 
will pop in later.
 
On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 9:33 AM Greg Swallow  wrote:
Steve, 

DOS (DR or Free) with Disk+ and Lucid for DOS. Maybe Windows 3.1 and Lucid for 
Windows. I hope to find a Wyse V90LE XPE with duel video and PCMCIA somewhere 
in North America, but only ones I've found are in Germany. At $100+ after 
shipping kinda cost prohibative. Asking here to see if anyone has had luck with 
other models. 

GregS <>< 
 
Jul 8, 2021 7:18:07 AM Stephen Adolph :
Greg, what are you hoping to run on the converted thin clients? 
 
On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 10:14 AM Greg Swallow  wrote: 
All, 

Am looking to pickup some thin client systems and convert them to Retro PC an 
use with the M100. Too many tower systems taking up space. Just wondering if 
anyone has done such a conversion and what client et al. 

GregS <><

Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC

Scott,

I'll look into the HP. I would expect the HPs to be Windows friendly. I had an 
C2Q m9200t Pavillion Elite. Great through W7, but openSuse was a dog. I have a 
Dell inspiron 530 C2D that out performed the HP. Gutted the HP and now the Dell 
is the Quad.

Have looked at some 486DX and up SBC, but budget caused me to check out thin 
clients. The V90LE because I know what to expect inside. I do have a ebay 
seller just dropped his price to $30 w/ free shipping for two Wyse D200 dual 
monitor thin clients. May grab them, but  I'll look into HP as well

GregS <><

Jul 8, 2021 5:29:35 PM Scott McDonnell :

> BTW, for one of the test PCs I built here, I needed one with a single PCI 
> slot that could run Windows 98. I found the HP T5720 with the extension 
> chassis. That would make a great retro computer with a PCI soundblaster.
> 
> I have had a lot of trouble trying to get Windows 98 to run on the Wyse 
> terminals. It doesn't seem to like the VIA chipset.
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Greg Swallow 
> Date: 7/8/21 8:18 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Scott McDonnell 
> Subject: Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC
> 
> Scott,
> 
> That would be great!
> 
> GregS <><
> 
> Jul 8, 2021 3:45:53 PM Scott McDonnell :
> 
>> I just realized that I was confusing the C90LE with the V90LE. I actually 
>> think mine is a V90LE with the PCMCIA. And I actually bought an extra PCMCIA 
>> board for a second one that I never used. You are right, these come up very 
>> rarely.
>> 
>> I will check what I have later tonight to be sure. I might be willing to 
>> part with the spare PCMCIA board. I thimk I have the replacement  rear plate 
>> for that too.
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: Greg Swallow 
>> Date: 7/8/21 2:03 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: Scott McDonnell 
>> Subject: Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> V90 is faster than the V10 and the V90LE the fastest of the series. Suppose 
>> to be a 50% increase between V98L and the V90LE. I have found V90LE w/ 
>> PCMCIA on eBay from Germany. Some, in the US, claim to be V90, but a close 
>> look at the tag photo shows V10. May go the V10 route to get the PCMCIA port.
>> 
>> AC97 is the why for PCMCIA. Intend to drop an SB16 PCMCIA into it. Though I 
>> don't mean to go for retro gaming.
>> 
>> GregS <><
>> 
>> Jul 8, 2021 10:47:14 AM Scott McDonnell :
>> 
>>> I use the Wyse thin clients quite a bit at my work for small single-purpose 
>>> test PCs with DOS and also at home. I have not seen a V90LE with PCMCIA, 
>>> but the V10 can be found with PCMCIA. I have a few of those running.
>>>  
>>> My only real problem with using them for retro-computing is that they have 
>>> AC97 sound with a VIA chipset and I have not been able to figure out how to 
>>> get any sound-blaster compatibility out of them for games.
>>>  
>>> *From: *Russell Flowers[rflow...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:12 AM
>>> *To: *m...@bitchin100.com
>>> *Subject: *Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC
>>>  
>>> That's weird, I don't see Stephen's original reply email to the list. Maybe 
>>> it will pop in later.
>>>  
>>> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 9:33 AM Greg Swallow  wrote:
 Steve,
 
 DOS (DR or Free) with Disk+ and Lucid for DOS. Maybe Windows 3.1 and Lucid 
 for Windows. I hope to find a Wyse V90LE XPE with duel video and PCMCIA 
 somewhere in North America, but only ones I've found are in Germany. At 
 $100+ after shipping kinda cost prohibative. Asking here to see if anyone 
 has had luck with other models.
 
 GregS <><
  
 
 Jul 8, 2021 7:18:07 AM Stephen Adolph :
 
> Greg, what are you hoping to run on the converted thin clients?
>  
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 10:14 AM Greg Swallow  wrote:
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> Am looking to pickup some thin client systems and convert them to Retro PC 
>>> an use with the M100. Too many tower systems taking up space. Just 
>>> wondering if anyone has done such a conversion and what client et al.
>>> 
>>> GregS <><
>>>

Re: [M100] REX question

Teeny?

On Thursday, July 8, 2021, Tom Wilson  wrote:

> Right, you don’t need TS-DOS, but you need *something* with the ability
> to load files from a TPDD compatible device. If you have an actual TPDD,
> you can use the bootstrap function, otherwise you have to find a program
> that can be used to bootstrap the necessary files.
>
> That was the challenge - finding a program that could do the job on the
> T200.
>
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 4:05 PM Josh Malone  wrote:
>
>> I've been informed that you don't actually need TS-DOS loaded to flash
>> a REX -- just something to load the flash utility. Teeny will do.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 6:38 PM Tom Wilson  wrote:
>> >
>> > Yes, I have flashed a Rex Classic to work on a 200. It’s a PITA, mostly
>> to get the DOS boot loader on so I can get the TS-DOS ROM loaded. The
>> problem being that with only 24K of RAM per bank, it’s hard to find a BASIC
>> loader small enough to do the job.
>> >
>> > If you need me to, I can dig through my archive and find the program I
>> used.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 1:18 PM Josh Malone 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> REX classic and REX# come in 2 "flavors": 100/102 and 200
>> >>
>> >> The hardware is physically identical, as is the CPLD program. However,
>> >> the FLASH load is different, owing to the different memory
>> >> configurations/maps on the 2 systems. You can "reprogram" a 100/102
>> >> into a 200 and vice-versa by following the initial programming steps
>> >> and doing a "wipe and reload". At least, you can on the REX classic.
>> >> I've never done it on REX# so check the wiki pages.
>> >>
>> >> -Josh
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 2:55 PM Bill Miranda 
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Is REX module interchangeable between model 100 and model 102?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks!
>> >> >
>> >> > Bill
>> >
>> > --
>> > Tom Wilson
>> > wilso...@gmail.com
>> > (619)940-6311
>> >
>>
> --
> Tom Wilson
> wilso...@gmail.com
> (619)940-6311
>
>

Re: [M100] New zebra strips for M100 display ? any interest?

2021-07-08 Thread Jamie Nichol

Mike,

Cool!

—Jamie
On Jul 8, 2021, 4:48 PM -0700, Mike Stein , wrote:
> Put me down for three pairs if it happens.
>
> Thanks
>
> mike
>
> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 5:39 PM Jamie Nichol  wrote:
> > > Peter,
> > >
> > > Looks like a pair of new zebra strips will cost $6 with usps shipping to 
> > > contiguous USA.
> > >
> > > Manufacturer is fujipoly.  Better quality supplier.
> > >
> > > I’d love to sign you up for a dozen, once testing looks good.
> > >
> > > Anyone else interested at this price?
> > >
> > > —Jamie
> > > On Jul 7, 2021, 5:28 PM -0400, Peter Noeth , wrote:
> > > > My experience with zebra strips, in general are threefold:
> > > >  1. The silicon can "outgas" its oils over time, if they were not baked 
> > > > correctly at manufacture. This oil can contaminate the carbon layers on 
> > > > the "face ends" where the strip contacts the glass / PCB, causing open 
> > > > connections.
> > > >  2. The face ends of the carbon layers are not always friendly to 
> > > > cleaning. The conductivity of the carbon layers can be lost, especially 
> > > > after 5 years.
> > > >  3. The silicon can lose its elasticity, causing open connections. This 
> > > > mostly manifests itself during reassembly of an LCD display module if 
> > > > reusing the original zebra strips. Especially after 40 years of 
> > > > questionable storage conditions.
> > > > When disassembly of an LCD display module was necessary, new zebra 
> > > > strips were always used during reassembly. This just removes a lot of 
> > > > potential problems, especially if you warrant your work.
> > > >
> > > > So having a source for replacement zebra strips for the notebook 
> > > > computers would be handy, but at a minimum production quantity of 1000, 
> > > > you would probably still have 800 when you die. Maybe not economical, 
> > > > from a business investment, but maybe from a passion standpoint.
> > > >
> > > > I would buy a dozen :-)
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Message: 3
> > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 19:33:53 -0400
> > > > > From: Jamie Nichol 
> > > > > To: m100@bitchin100.comSubject: [M100] New zebra strips for M100 
> > > > > display
> > > > >         =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=94_?=any interest?
> > > > > Message-ID: 
> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey All,
> > > > >
> > > > > I do consumer product R&D as my day job.??I?ve admired the M100 as a 
> > > > > brilliant product for the past decade or so, and just picked up a 
> > > > > really sad example that I?m trying to resuscitate.
> > > > >
> > > > > A couple of weeks ago I had a some fine-pitch prototype zebra strips 
> > > > > made up to fit the M100 LCD (see pic).??The first prototypes are 
> > > > > about 0.3mm too tall.??I?ll likely have another set of prototypes run 
> > > > > with an adjusted height.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have two questions:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there enough interest here on the list to justify an order of 1000 
> > > > > pieces or so???(Likely price is a few dollars each strip ? more to 
> > > > > come on price.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Do any of you have dead LCDs that you would be wiling to sacrifice to 
> > > > > the testing gods???I would like to see ten or so LCDs improved by an 
> > > > > upgrade to the new strips before placing a bigger order.
> > > > >
> > > > > ?Jamie
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -- next part --
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> > > > > URL: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > -- next part --
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> > > > > Name: Zebra_Strip_Prototypes.jpg
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> > > > > 
> > > > >

Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC

BTW, for one of the test PCs I built here, I needed one with a single PCI slot 
that could run Windows 98. I found the HP T5720 with the extension chassis. 
That would make a great retro computer with a PCI soundblaster.I have had a lot 
of trouble trying to get Windows 98 to run on the Wyse terminals. It doesn't 
seem to like the VIA chipset.
 Original message From: Greg Swallow  Date: 
7/8/21  8:18 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Scott McDonnell  Subject: 
Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC  Scott, 
   
   That would be great! 
   
   GregS <>< 
   
   

   Jul 8, 2021 3:45:53 PM Scott McDonnell : 
   
 I just realized that I was confusing the C90LE with the V90LE. I actually 
think mine is a V90LE with the PCMCIA. And I actually bought an extra PCMCIA 
board for a second one that I never used. You are right, these come up very 
rarely. 
 
  
 

  I will check what I have later tonight to be sure. I might be willing to 
part with the spare PCMCIA board. I thimk I have the replacement  rear plate 
for that too. 
 
 
  
 
 
 
    Original message  
  
 
   From: Greg Swallow  
  
 
   Date: 7/8/21 2:03 PM (GMT-05:00) 
  
 
   To: Scott McDonnell  
  
 
   Subject: Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC 
  
  
   
  
 Scott, 
 
 V90 is faster than the V10 and the V90LE the fastest of the series. 
Suppose to be a 50% increase between V98L and the V90LE. I have found V90LE w/ 
PCMCIA on eBay from Germany. Some, in the US, claim to be V90, but a close look 
at the tag photo shows V10. May go the V10 route to get the PCMCIA port.  
 
 AC97 is the why for PCMCIA. Intend to drop an SB16 PCMCIA into it. Though 
I don't mean to go for retro gaming.  
 
 GregS <>< 
 
 
  
 Jul 8, 2021 10:47:14 AM Scott McDonnell : 
  
   
   I use the Wyse thin clients quite a bit at my work for small 
single-purpose test PCs with DOS and also at home. I have not seen a V90LE with 
PCMCIA, but the V10 can be found with PCMCIA. I have a few of those running. 

     

   My only real problem with using them for retro-computing is that they 
have AC97 sound with a VIA chipset and I have not been able to figure out how 
to get any sound-blaster compatibility out of them for games. 

     


From: Russell FlowersSent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:12 AMTo: 
m100@bitchin100.comSubject: Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC 


     


That's weird, I don't see Stephen's original reply email to the list. 
Maybe it will pop in later. 


     


 
 On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 9:33 AM Greg Swallow  
wrote: 
 
 
  
  Steve, DOS (DR or Free) with Disk+ and Lucid for DOS. Maybe Windows 
3.1 and Lucid for Windows. I hope to find a Wyse V90LE XPE with duel video and 
PCMCIA somewhere in North America, but only ones I've found are in Germany. At 
$100+ after shipping kinda cost prohibative. Asking here to see if anyone has 
had luck with other models. GregS <><  
   

     

   Jul 8, 2021 7:18:07 AM Stephen Adolph : 

 
 Greg, what are you hoping to run on the converted thin clients?  
 
 
  
 
 
  
  On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 10:14 AM Greg Swallow  
wrote:  
  
 

   
  
 

   All, Am looking to pickup some thin client systems and convert them to 
Retro PC an use with the M100. Too many tower systems taking up space. Just 
wondering if anyone has done such a conversion and what client et al. GregS <><

Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC

Scott,

That would be great!

GregS <><

Jul 8, 2021 3:45:53 PM Scott McDonnell :

> I just realized that I was confusing the C90LE with the V90LE. I actually 
> think mine is a V90LE with the PCMCIA. And I actually bought an extra PCMCIA 
> board for a second one that I never used. You are right, these come up very 
> rarely.
> 
> I will check what I have later tonight to be sure. I might be willing to part 
> with the spare PCMCIA board. I thimk I have the replacement  rear plate for 
> that too.
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Greg Swallow 
> Date: 7/8/21 2:03 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Scott McDonnell 
> Subject: Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC
> 
> Scott,
> 
> V90 is faster than the V10 and the V90LE the fastest of the series. Suppose 
> to be a 50% increase between V98L and the V90LE. I have found V90LE w/ PCMCIA 
> on eBay from Germany. Some, in the US, claim to be V90, but a close look at 
> the tag photo shows V10. May go the V10 route to get the PCMCIA port.
> 
> AC97 is the why for PCMCIA. Intend to drop an SB16 PCMCIA into it. Though I 
> don't mean to go for retro gaming.
> 
> GregS <><
> 
> Jul 8, 2021 10:47:14 AM Scott McDonnell :
> 
>> I use the Wyse thin clients quite a bit at my work for small single-purpose 
>> test PCs with DOS and also at home. I have not seen a V90LE with PCMCIA, but 
>> the V10 can be found with PCMCIA. I have a few of those running.
>>  
>> My only real problem with using them for retro-computing is that they have 
>> AC97 sound with a VIA chipset and I have not been able to figure out how to 
>> get any sound-blaster compatibility out of them for games.
>>  
>> *From: *Russell Flowers[rflow...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent: *Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:12 AM
>> *To: *m...@bitchin100.com
>> *Subject: *Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC
>>  
>> That's weird, I don't see Stephen's original reply email to the list. Maybe 
>> it will pop in later.
>>  
>> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 9:33 AM Greg Swallow  wrote:
>>> Steve,
>>> 
>>> DOS (DR or Free) with Disk+ and Lucid for DOS. Maybe Windows 3.1 and Lucid 
>>> for Windows. I hope to find a Wyse V90LE XPE with duel video and PCMCIA 
>>> somewhere in North America, but only ones I've found are in Germany. At 
>>> $100+ after shipping kinda cost prohibative. Asking here to see if anyone 
>>> has had luck with other models.
>>> 
>>> GregS <><
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Jul 8, 2021 7:18:07 AM Stephen Adolph :
>>> 
 Greg, what are you hoping to run on the converted thin clients?
  
 On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 10:14 AM Greg Swallow  wrote:
>> All,
>> 
>> Am looking to pickup some thin client systems and convert them to Retro PC 
>> an use with the M100. Too many tower systems taking up space. Just wondering 
>> if anyone has done such a conversion and what client et al.
>> 
>> GregS <><
>>

Re: [M100] New zebra strips for M100 display ? any interest?

2021-07-08 Thread Mike Stein

Put me down for three pairs if it happens.

Thanks

mike

On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 5:39 PM Jamie Nichol  wrote:

> Peter,
>
> Looks like a pair of new zebra strips will cost $6 with usps shipping to
> contiguous USA.
>
> Manufacturer is fujipoly.  Better quality supplier.
>
> I’d love to sign you up for a dozen, once testing looks good.
>
> Anyone else interested at this price?
>
> —Jamie
> On Jul 7, 2021, 5:28 PM -0400, Peter Noeth , wrote:
>
> My experience with zebra strips, in general are threefold:
>  1. The silicon can "outgas" its oils over time, if they were not baked
> correctly at manufacture. This oil can contaminate the carbon layers on the
> "face ends" where the strip contacts the glass / PCB, causing open
> connections.
>  2. The face ends of the carbon layers are not always friendly to
> cleaning. The conductivity of the carbon layers can be lost, especially
> after 5 years.
>  3. The silicon can lose its elasticity, causing open connections. This
> mostly manifests itself during reassembly of an LCD display module if
> reusing the original zebra strips. Especially after 40 years of
> questionable storage conditions.
> When disassembly of an LCD display module was necessary, new zebra strips
> were always used during reassembly. This just removes a lot of
> potential problems, especially if you warrant your work.
>
> So having a source for replacement zebra strips for the notebook computers
> would be handy, but at a minimum production quantity of 1000, you would
> probably still have 800 when you die. Maybe not economical, from a business
> investment, but maybe from a passion standpoint.
>
> I would buy a dozen :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
> --
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 19:33:53 -0400
> From: Jamie Nichol https://mailto:jgnic...@gmail.com>
> >
> To: m...@bitchin100.com Subject:
> [M100] New zebra strips for M100 display
> =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=94_?=any interest?
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hey All,
>
> I do consumer product R&D as my day job.??I?ve admired the M100 as a
> brilliant product for the past decade or so, and just picked up a really
> sad example that I?m trying to resuscitate.
>
> A couple of weeks ago I had a some fine-pitch prototype zebra strips made
> up to fit the M100 LCD (see pic).??The first prototypes are about 0.3mm too
> tall.??I?ll likely have another set of prototypes run with an adjusted
> height.
>
> I have two questions:
>
> Is there enough interest here on the list to justify an order of 1000
> pieces or so???(Likely price is a few dollars each strip ? more to come on
> price.)
>
> Do any of you have dead LCDs that you would be wiling to sacrifice to the
> testing gods???I would like to see ten or so LCDs improved by an upgrade to
> the new strips before placing a bigger order.
>
> ?Jamie
>
>
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Re: [M100] REX question

2021-07-08 Thread Tom Wilson

Right, you don’t need TS-DOS, but you need *something* with the ability to
load files from a TPDD compatible device. If you have an actual TPDD, you
can use the bootstrap function, otherwise you have to find a program that
can be used to bootstrap the necessary files.

That was the challenge - finding a program that could do the job on the
T200.

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 4:05 PM Josh Malone  wrote:

> I've been informed that you don't actually need TS-DOS loaded to flash
> a REX -- just something to load the flash utility. Teeny will do.
>
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 6:38 PM Tom Wilson  wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I have flashed a Rex Classic to work on a 200. It’s a PITA, mostly
> to get the DOS boot loader on so I can get the TS-DOS ROM loaded. The
> problem being that with only 24K of RAM per bank, it’s hard to find a BASIC
> loader small enough to do the job.
> >
> > If you need me to, I can dig through my archive and find the program I
> used.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 1:18 PM Josh Malone 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> REX classic and REX# come in 2 "flavors": 100/102 and 200
> >>
> >> The hardware is physically identical, as is the CPLD program. However,
> >> the FLASH load is different, owing to the different memory
> >> configurations/maps on the 2 systems. You can "reprogram" a 100/102
> >> into a 200 and vice-versa by following the initial programming steps
> >> and doing a "wipe and reload". At least, you can on the REX classic.
> >> I've never done it on REX# so check the wiki pages.
> >>
> >> -Josh
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 2:55 PM Bill Miranda 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Is REX module interchangeable between model 100 and model 102?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > Bill
> >
> > --
> > Tom Wilson
> > wilso...@gmail.com
> > (619)940-6311
> >
>
-- 
Tom Wilson
wilso...@gmail.com
(619)940-6311

Re: [M100] REX question

2021-07-08 Thread Josh Malone

I've been informed that you don't actually need TS-DOS loaded to flash
a REX -- just something to load the flash utility. Teeny will do.

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 6:38 PM Tom Wilson  wrote:
>
> Yes, I have flashed a Rex Classic to work on a 200. It’s a PITA, mostly to 
> get the DOS boot loader on so I can get the TS-DOS ROM loaded. The problem 
> being that with only 24K of RAM per bank, it’s hard to find a BASIC loader 
> small enough to do the job.
>
> If you need me to, I can dig through my archive and find the program I used.
>
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 1:18 PM Josh Malone  wrote:
>>
>> REX classic and REX# come in 2 "flavors": 100/102 and 200
>>
>> The hardware is physically identical, as is the CPLD program. However,
>> the FLASH load is different, owing to the different memory
>> configurations/maps on the 2 systems. You can "reprogram" a 100/102
>> into a 200 and vice-versa by following the initial programming steps
>> and doing a "wipe and reload". At least, you can on the REX classic.
>> I've never done it on REX# so check the wiki pages.
>>
>> -Josh
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 2:55 PM Bill Miranda  wrote:
>> >
>> > Is REX module interchangeable between model 100 and model 102?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > Bill
>
> --
> Tom Wilson
> wilso...@gmail.com
> (619)940-6311
>

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

You can check it out on the REX# wiki.
In a nutshell
- lots of debugging done
- inclusion of the integrated MVT100 driver
- better carrier solution
- design change to improve reliability

What I am working on now is "internal flash disk" for file storage.
Basically using part of the flash as a read/write file storage media.




On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 6:28 PM  wrote:

> Stephen what is the difference between the REX# and the REX I bought from
> you some years ago?
>
> James
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 8 Jul 2021, at 3:48 pm, Stephen Adolph  wrote:
>
> 
> Yes I am actively making REX# and REXCPM.  I can't keep them in stock  ;)
> you can shift REX# between M100 and T102.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 10:44 AM  wrote:
>
>> Speaking of must-have ROMS, is Stephen still making REX#?  Is the REX#
>> interchangeable between M100 and M102 or are they different devices?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>

Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC

I just realized that I was confusing the C90LE with the V90LE. I actually think 
mine is a V90LE with the PCMCIA. And I actually bought an extra PCMCIA board 
for a second one that I never used. You are right, these come up very rarely.I 
will check what I have later tonight to be sure. I might be willing to part 
with the spare PCMCIA board. I thimk I have the replacement  rear plate for 
that too.
 Original message From: Greg Swallow  Date: 
7/8/21  2:03 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Scott McDonnell  Subject: 
Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC  Scott, 
   
   V90 is faster than the V10 and the V90LE the fastest of the series. Suppose 
to be a 50% increase between V98L and the V90LE. I have found V90LE w/ PCMCIA 
on eBay from Germany. Some, in the US, claim to be V90, but a close look at the 
tag photo shows V10. May go the V10 route to get the PCMCIA port.  
   
   AC97 is the why for PCMCIA. Intend to drop an SB16 PCMCIA into it. Though I 
don't mean to go for retro gaming.  
   
   GregS <>< 
   
   

   Jul 8, 2021 10:47:14 AM Scott McDonnell : 

 
 I use the Wyse thin clients quite a bit at my work for small 
single-purpose test PCs with DOS and also at home. I have not seen a V90LE with 
PCMCIA, but the V10 can be found with PCMCIA. I have a few of those running. 
  
   
  
 My only real problem with using them for retro-computing is that they have 
AC97 sound with a VIA chipset and I have not been able to figure out how to get 
any sound-blaster compatibility out of them for games. 
  
   
  
  
  From: Russell FlowersSent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:12 AMTo: 
m100@bitchin100.comSubject: Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC 
  
  
   
  
  
  That's weird, I don't see Stephen's original reply email to the list. 
Maybe it will pop in later. 
  
  
   
  
  
   
   On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 9:33 AM Greg Swallow  wrote: 
   
   

Steve, DOS (DR or Free) with Disk+ and Lucid for DOS. Maybe Windows 3.1 
and Lucid for Windows. I hope to find a Wyse V90LE XPE with duel video and 
PCMCIA somewhere in North America, but only ones I've found are in Germany. At 
$100+ after shipping kinda cost prohibative. Asking here to see if anyone has 
had luck with other models. GregS <><  
 
  
   
  
 Jul 8, 2021 7:18:07 AM Stephen Adolph : 
  
   
   Greg, what are you hoping to run on the converted thin clients?  
   
   
    
   
   

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 10:14 AM Greg Swallow  
wrote:  

   
  
 

   
  
 All, Am looking to pickup some thin client systems and convert them to 
Retro PC an use with the M100. Too many tower systems taking up space. Just 
wondering if anyone has done such a conversion and what client et al. GregS <><

Re: [M100] REX question

2021-07-08 Thread Tom Wilson

Yes, I have flashed a Rex Classic to work on a 200. It’s a PITA, mostly to
get the DOS boot loader on so I can get the TS-DOS ROM loaded. The problem
being that with only 24K of RAM per bank, it’s hard to find a BASIC loader
small enough to do the job.

If you need me to, I can dig through my archive and find the program I
used.

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 1:18 PM Josh Malone  wrote:

> REX classic and REX# come in 2 "flavors": 100/102 and 200
>
> The hardware is physically identical, as is the CPLD program. However,
> the FLASH load is different, owing to the different memory
> configurations/maps on the 2 systems. You can "reprogram" a 100/102
> into a 200 and vice-versa by following the initial programming steps
> and doing a "wipe and reload". At least, you can on the REX classic.
> I've never done it on REX# so check the wiki pages.
>
> -Josh
>
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 2:55 PM Bill Miranda 
> wrote:
> >
> > Is REX module interchangeable between model 100 and model 102?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Bill
>
-- 
Tom Wilson
wilso...@gmail.com
(619)940-6311

Re: [M100] REX question

2021-07-08 Thread Bill Miranda

Thank you Josh and Brian

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 2:25 PM Brian Brindle  wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> Yes, you can use the same REX in a model 100 or 102.
>
> If they are mod100/102's have the same amount of memory you will have no
> issues with stored RAM Images, but if they are different you will get a
> memory size mismatch when attempting to load them. Easy to fix using the
> file browse feature and creating a new Image though.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 2:55 PM Bill Miranda 
> wrote:
>
>> Is REX module interchangeable between model 100 and model 102?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Bill
>>
>

Re: [M100] REX question

2021-07-08 Thread Brian Brindle

Hi Bill,

Yes, you can use the same REX in a model 100 or 102.

If they are mod100/102's have the same amount of memory you will have no
issues with stored RAM Images, but if they are different you will get a
memory size mismatch when attempting to load them. Easy to fix using the
file browse feature and creating a new Image though.

Brian

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 2:55 PM Bill Miranda  wrote:

> Is REX module interchangeable between model 100 and model 102?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bill
>

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

2021-07-08 Thread Brian K. White


On 7/8/21 10:06 AM, Justin Poirier wrote:

It appears that Club100 on bitchin100 only have a handful of ROM images. Where 
do I go to find SuperROM, Disk+ and those others? They have generic enough 
names that Google has been of very little help.

I have been working on an inexpensive carrier solution (for myself, mostly) 
that will hold (8) ROM images that are selected with a group of DIP switches on 
the carrier itself. Nothing fancy, but if I like the results, I could probably 
crank them out, burned and ready, in the $20-$25 range. Not committing to 
anything at all, since I’m still in prototyping, but with (8) ROM slots, I’m 
not sure what to put in them. So far, I made one that has TS-DOS, Ultimate, 
Cleusseau and TS-Random. And since I have twice as much space as all that, it 
includes those titles in both the M100/102 versions as well as the M200 
version. That seems wasteful. Maybe I’m wrong!


How are you connecting up to burn them? Through the edge connectors with 
a reverse pinout adapter? DIP-28 test clip on the outside edges with the 
wires arranged into a reverse pinout adapter? Or are you just burning 
before soldering and no re-writing after that?


I made this single-rom carrier that, since it's an SOIC package, and I 
have a resistor rather than a trace for /WE, is easy to just connect 
normally with a soic test clip to program.

http://tandy.wiki/Teeprom


But that 28C256 is now OVER $10 just for a single 32k, and I'd like to 
try to ditch the requirement for the test clip if possible, and 
definitely don't want to require an actual Molex socket. (I have molex 
sockets, but I'm trying to make a design anyone can use, not just 
something for myself) So I tried this

https://github.com/bkw777/Teeprom/blob/master/Teeprom2.md

4 or 8 roms (that's just a 4-rom version but 8 would be a 
straightforward progression from there) and no special parts needed, and 
it's even both cheaper and more convenient than the soic-28 test clip, 
and the flash part is both more readily available (multiple 
manufacturers still) and just over $1 instead of over $10.



Which *almost* works as envisioned. The programming adapter is built out 
of all normal off the shelf parts, and the connection between the 
programming adapter and the carrier is made by dint of having the holes 
on the carrier be offset staggered so they work against each other. I 
think I just need a different stagger pattern, and slightly more offset 
to the stagger. I was able to get it to work by tediously testing each 
pin for connection to identify a handful that didn't connect, and 
bending the pins manually until they all worked.


Not practical.

But that was only the first proof of concept, no iteration yet, so maybe 
with a little dialing-in the idea would work out.


But then again maybe that many little pins in that kind of arrangement 
is just never going to be reliable.


So I was thinking of next either using pogo pins, because those are 
actually cheap now, or using long wire-wrapping pins to make something 
that can act like a DIP test clip that can just contact all the edge 
contact pins on the outside like a normal socket does. That would make 
the carrier a LOT simpler!


I really thought those pins were slick ;) If they would just all 
actually make contact, it does pretty much work as expected, meaning it 
wasn't too hard to build and that carrier pops right onto the programmer 
simply and even with polarity enforcement.



I've gathered links to all the roms I've seen here:
http://tandy.wiki/ModelT_roms

Most you can get all in one spot from Steve's REX docs on bitchin100 
(link in there), but there are a few other oddballs.


Documentation has not been gathered into one convenient spot that I know 
of, other than club100 which is a good start but incomplete, and not 
going to get any better, it's a static site now just being presereved.


You get info from searching through the M100SIG
https://archive.org/details/M100SIG
, club100, scanned magazines on archive.org, and general google for info 
on other vintage computer sites. I don't have a link farm handy to list 
those.


--
bkw



—Justin


On Jul 8, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Greg Swallow  wrote:

Justin,

Having just gotten a Portable Computer Support Group (PCSG) Rom Bank with Disk+ 
and adding SuperROM, I would be intersted in burning some ROMs. Would like to 
know your process. Or, maybe ask if you'd be willing to burn a couple.

Anyway, I'm an ol' PCSG Lucid fan and use Lucid under DOS and Windows 3.1x. My 
choice then is SuperROM to get Lucid and Write ROM in one swing. The database 
is quite useful as well. Add to that Disk+ for easier external storage 
management. Other's will go the Traveling Software route and want Ultimate ROM 
and TS-DOS. Both are great and even with Disk+ I want TS-DOS in ROM to work 
with my TPDD2.

Other ROMs are useful, but you'd have to read about them to decide if they 
would be useful to you.

God Bless,
GregS <><

Jul 8, 2021 6:14:59 AM

Re: [M100] REX question

Bill,
REX# and it's predecessor REX can be installed in either M100 or T102.
Meaning you buy an M100 version, you can use it in T102 also, and move it
between the 2 if you want.
I don't make REX anymore.  I have switched to the new design REX#.   If you
really want the old version others will make it for you, or you can roll
your own too.
cheers
Steve

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 2:55 PM Bill Miranda  wrote:

> Is REX module interchangeable between model 100 and model 102?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bill
>

Re: [M100] REX question

2021-07-08 Thread Josh Malone

REX classic and REX# come in 2 "flavors": 100/102 and 200

The hardware is physically identical, as is the CPLD program. However,
the FLASH load is different, owing to the different memory
configurations/maps on the 2 systems. You can "reprogram" a 100/102
into a 200 and vice-versa by following the initial programming steps
and doing a "wipe and reload". At least, you can on the REX classic.
I've never done it on REX# so check the wiki pages.

-Josh

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 2:55 PM Bill Miranda  wrote:
>
> Is REX module interchangeable between model 100 and model 102?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bill

[M100] REX question

2021-07-08 Thread Bill Miranda

Is REX module interchangeable between model 100 and model 102?

Thanks!

Bill

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

2021-07-08 Thread John R. Hogerhuis

SuperROM is the best ROM because it has Think outliner... single best piece
of M100 software IMHO.

TMPC is pretty cool too but it's not ROM'd. Outta be... it's huge.

-- John.

Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC

Scott,

V90 is faster than the V10 and the V90LE the fastest of the series. Suppose to 
be a 50% increase between V98L and the V90LE. I have found V90LE w/ PCMCIA on 
eBay from Germany. Some, in the US, claim to be V90, but a close look at the 
tag photo shows V10. May go the V10 route to get the PCMCIA port.

AC97 is the why for PCMCIA. Intend to drop an SB16 PCMCIA into it. Though I 
don't mean to go for retro gaming.

GregS <><

Jul 8, 2021 10:47:14 AM Scott McDonnell :

> I use the Wyse thin clients quite a bit at my work for small single-purpose 
> test PCs with DOS and also at home. I have not seen a V90LE with PCMCIA, but 
> the V10 can be found with PCMCIA. I have a few of those running.
>  
> My only real problem with using them for retro-computing is that they have 
> AC97 sound with a VIA chipset and I have not been able to figure out how to 
> get any sound-blaster compatibility out of them for games.
>  
> *From: *Russell Flowers[rflow...@gmail.com]
> *Sent: *Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:12 AM
> *To: *m...@bitchin100.com
> *Subject: *Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC
>  
> That's weird, I don't see Stephen's original reply email to the list. Maybe 
> it will pop in later.
>  
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 9:33 AM Greg Swallow  wrote:
>> Steve,
>> 
>> DOS (DR or Free) with Disk+ and Lucid for DOS. Maybe Windows 3.1 and Lucid 
>> for Windows. I hope to find a Wyse V90LE XPE with duel video and PCMCIA 
>> somewhere in North America, but only ones I've found are in Germany. At 
>> $100+ after shipping kinda cost prohibative. Asking here to see if anyone 
>> has had luck with other models.
>> 
>> GregS <><
>>  
>> 
>> Jul 8, 2021 7:18:07 AM Stephen Adolph :
>> 
>>> Greg, what are you hoping to run on the converted thin clients?
>>>  
>>> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 10:14 AM Greg Swallow  wrote:
> All,
> 
> Am looking to pickup some thin client systems and convert them to Retro PC an 
> use with the M100. Too many tower systems taking up space. Just wondering if 
> anyone has done such a conversion and what client et al.
> 
> GregS <><
>

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

2021-07-08 Thread ExPLIT | Pawel Radomychelski

of course are the chips available.

just look for 27C256 on ebay - you will find tones of them.

As a EPROM burner i use TL866 II. there are also lot of offers on ebay/amazon.

Kind regards

Pawel

On July 8, 2021 at 3:24 PM Jeff Gonzales wrote:

What gear do you need to burn your own ROMs? I didn't even think the chips would still be available in the 21st century.

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 9:14 AM Justin Poirier wrote:

I’ve been using my M102 (and later as $$$ allowed, M200s) since the early ‘90s, but have just gotten into burning my own ROMs for the ROM slot, now that I’m in a position to fabricate the carrier boards. I’ve found a half-dozen ROM images (separate images for both the 100/102 and the 200), but no real descriptions of what I should be looking into. TS-DOS is a must-have since I have a disk drive, and that works great, but Sardine, Random, etc all look like they need additional “support” ROMs, or extra hardware, or are application-specific in a direction unknown to me. Are there other ROM images that most people find useful, or are part of the “must-have” collection? Where do I find them, if they exist?

I realize I’ve just asked a question like “what is the best brand of motor oil” on a car-enthusiasts forum, but if anyone could throw me a bone and get me pointed in a good direction, I’m pretty good at finding the rest of the details myself.

Thanks a lot!

—Justin

Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC

I use the Wyse thin clients quite a bit at my work for small single-purpose 
test PCs with DOS and also at home. I have not seen a V90LE with PCMCIA, but 
the V10 can be found with PCMCIA. I have a few of those running.

My only real problem with using them for retro-computing is that they have AC97 
sound with a VIA chipset and I have not been able to figure out how to get any 
sound-blaster compatibility out of them for games.

From: Russell Flowers
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:12 AM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC

That's weird, I don't see Stephen's original reply email to the list. Maybe it 
will pop in later.

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 9:33 AM Greg Swallow  wrote:
Steve, 

DOS (DR or Free) with Disk+ and Lucid for DOS. Maybe Windows 3.1 and Lucid for 
Windows. I hope to find a Wyse V90LE XPE with duel video and PCMCIA somewhere 
in North America, but only ones I've found are in Germany. At $100+ after 
shipping kinda cost prohibative. Asking here to see if anyone has had luck with 
other models. 

GregS <>< 

Jul 8, 2021 7:18:07 AM Stephen Adolph :
Greg, what are you hoping to run on the converted thin clients? 

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 10:14 AM Greg Swallow  wrote: 
All, 

Am looking to pickup some thin client systems and convert them to Retro PC an 
use with the M100. Too many tower systems taking up space. Just wondering if 
anyone has done such a conversion and what client et al. 

GregS <><

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

2021-07-08 Thread james . zeun

Stephen what is the difference between the REX# and the REX I bought from you 
some years ago?

James


Sent from my iPad

> On 8 Jul 2021, at 3:48 pm, Stephen Adolph  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes I am actively making REX# and REXCPM.  I can't keep them in stock  ;)  
> you can shift REX# between M100 and T102.
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 10:44 AM  wrote:
>> Speaking of must-have ROMS, is Stephen still making REX#?  Is the REX# 
>> interchangeable between M100 and M102 or are they different devices?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Bill
>>

Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC

2021-07-08 Thread Russell Flowers

That's weird, I don't see Stephen's original reply email to the list. Maybe
it will pop in later.

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 9:33 AM Greg Swallow  wrote:

> Steve,
>
> DOS (DR or Free) with Disk+ and Lucid for DOS. Maybe Windows 3.1 and Lucid
> for Windows. I hope to find a Wyse V90LE XPE with duel video and PCMCIA
> somewhere in North America, but only ones I've found are in Germany. At
> $100+ after shipping kinda cost prohibative. Asking here to see if anyone
> has had luck with other models.
>
> GregS <><
>
> Jul 8, 2021 7:18:07 AM Stephen Adolph :
>
> Greg, what are you hoping to run on the converted thin clients?
>
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 10:14 AM Greg Swallow  wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> Am looking to pickup some thin client systems and convert them to Retro
>> PC an use with the M100. Too many tower systems taking up space. Just
>> wondering if anyone has done such a conversion and what client et al.
>>
>> GregS <><
>>
>

Re: [M100] New zebra strips for M100 display ? any interest?

2021-07-08 Thread Jamie Nichol

Stephen,

I/we would have to test with other displays to know how broadly these might 
apply.   For now, the M100 is the first target.

If you have displays for other machines and are willing to take measurements or 
send dead examples, that would be super helpful.

Take care,

—Jamie
On Jul 8, 2021, 1:23 AM -0700, Stephen Adolph , wrote:
> you can count me in for some quantity.  Are these strips usable for T102 and 
> M100?  Assume 8201, M10, 8300, KC85 also.
> What about T200?
> ..steve
>
> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 5:48 PM Jamie Nichol  wrote:
> > > Peter,
> > >
> > > Looks like a pair of new zebra strips will cost $6 with usps shipping to 
> > > contiguous USA.
> > >
> > > Manufacturer is fujipoly.  Better quality supplier.
> > >
> > > I’d love to sign you up for a dozen, once testing looks good.
> > >
> > > Anyone else interested at this price?
> > >
> > > —Jamie
> > > On Jul 7, 2021, 5:28 PM -0400, Peter Noeth , wrote:
> > > > My experience with zebra strips, in general are threefold:
> > > >  1. The silicon can "outgas" its oils over time, if they were not baked 
> > > > correctly at manufacture. This oil can contaminate the carbon layers on 
> > > > the "face ends" where the strip contacts the glass / PCB, causing open 
> > > > connections.
> > > >  2. The face ends of the carbon layers are not always friendly to 
> > > > cleaning. The conductivity of the carbon layers can be lost, especially 
> > > > after 5 years.
> > > >  3. The silicon can lose its elasticity, causing open connections. This 
> > > > mostly manifests itself during reassembly of an LCD display module if 
> > > > reusing the original zebra strips. Especially after 40 years of 
> > > > questionable storage conditions.
> > > > When disassembly of an LCD display module was necessary, new zebra 
> > > > strips were always used during reassembly. This just removes a lot of 
> > > > potential problems, especially if you warrant your work.
> > > >
> > > > So having a source for replacement zebra strips for the notebook 
> > > > computers would be handy, but at a minimum production quantity of 1000, 
> > > > you would probably still have 800 when you die. Maybe not economical, 
> > > > from a business investment, but maybe from a passion standpoint.
> > > >
> > > > I would buy a dozen :-)
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Message: 3
> > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 19:33:53 -0400
> > > > > From: Jamie Nichol 
> > > > > To: m100@bitchin100.comSubject: [M100] New zebra strips for M100 
> > > > > display
> > > > >         =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=94_?=any interest?
> > > > > Message-ID: 
> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey All,
> > > > >
> > > > > I do consumer product R&D as my day job.??I?ve admired the M100 as a 
> > > > > brilliant product for the past decade or so, and just picked up a 
> > > > > really sad example that I?m trying to resuscitate.
> > > > >
> > > > > A couple of weeks ago I had a some fine-pitch prototype zebra strips 
> > > > > made up to fit the M100 LCD (see pic).??The first prototypes are 
> > > > > about 0.3mm too tall.??I?ll likely have another set of prototypes run 
> > > > > with an adjusted height.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have two questions:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there enough interest here on the list to justify an order of 1000 
> > > > > pieces or so???(Likely price is a few dollars each strip ? more to 
> > > > > come on price.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Do any of you have dead LCDs that you would be wiling to sacrifice to 
> > > > > the testing gods???I would like to see ten or so LCDs improved by an 
> > > > > upgrade to the new strips before placing a bigger order.
> > > > >
> > > > > ?Jamie
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: [M100] New zebra strips for M100 display— any interest?

2021-07-08 Thread Jamie Nichol

Scott,

That shrinkage is the enemy.  I’ll keep you in mind as the process moves 
forward.

—Jamie
On Jul 6, 2021, 5:55 PM -0700, Scott McDonnell , 
wrote:
> On one the M100s I repaired earlier this year, it was not so much the zebra 
> strips, but that they seemed to have shrunk. I had to apply thick tape inside 
> of the metal LCD frame  to increase the pressure on the strip. I think new 
> zebra strips of the correct height would save quite a few M100s. I am 
> interested in buying 4 of them.
>
> I do not think it will help with missing horizontal lines. I am pretty sure 
> that would be broken traces or lifted pins on an IC. I only have experience 
> with the one that I repaired, so take that with a grain of salt.
>
> Scott M.
>
> From: Jamie Nichol
> Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 8:50 PM
> To: m...@bitchin100.com; m...@bitchin100.com
> Subject: Re: [M100] New zebra strips for M100 display— any interest?
>
> Steve,
>
> Thanks for sharing your experience.  Depends on the display, I guess?
>
> New zebra strips were the answer for the display I have on hand — worked 
> better than adding tape between the glass and bezel.
>
> —Jamie
> On Jul 6, 2021, 8:25 PM -0400, Stephen Adolph , wrote:
>
> > quote_type
> > Jamie,
> >
> > Are the zebra strips a problem?  I guess you are saying that for at least 
> > some LCDs with missing lines, a new zebra strip would help?
> > For me it has usually been a pcb problem.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, July 6, 2021, Jamie Nichol  wrote:
> > > quote_type
> > > Hey All,
> > >
> > > I do consumer product R&D as my day job.  I’ve admired the M100 as a 
> > > brilliant product for the past decade or so, and just picked up a really 
> > > sad example that I’m trying to resuscitate.
> > >
> > > A couple of weeks ago I had a some fine-pitch prototype zebra strips made 
> > > up to fit the M100 LCD (see pic).  The first prototypes are about 0.3mm 
> > > too tall.  I’ll likely have another set of prototypes run with an 
> > > adjusted height.
> > >
> > > I have two questions:
> > >
> > > Is there enough interest here on the list to justify an order of 1000 
> > > pieces or so?  (Likely price is a few dollars each strip — more to come 
> > > on price.)
> > >
> > > Do any of you have dead LCDs that you would be wiling to sacrifice to the 
> > > testing gods?  I would like to see ten or so LCDs improved by an upgrade 
> > > to the new strips before placing a bigger order.
> > >
> > > —Jamie
> > >
>
>

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

Yes I am actively making REX# and REXCPM.  I can't keep them in stock  ;)
you can shift REX# between M100 and T102.

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 10:44 AM  wrote:

> Speaking of must-have ROMS, is Stephen still making REX#?  Is the REX#
> interchangeable between M100 and M102 or are they different devices?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bill
>
>

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

2021-07-08 Thread bill.miranda

Speaking of must-have ROMS, is Stephen still making REX#?  Is the REX# 
interchangeable between M100 and M102 or are they different devices?

Thanks!

Bill

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

2021-07-08 Thread Steve Baker

Greetings Justin!

What an great adventure you’re on! I too would like to have a few custom ROMs 
burned, and would love to learn more about what’s involved (I do have a TL866 
II Plus and need to find some carriers for the T102, etc.).

In the meanwhile, I have uploaded a few ROM images in .hex (and .bx for REX 
use) that may be of interest. Sorry I can’t figure out how to post direct links 
to the actual files, but there’s in my user folder on Club100:

http://www.club100.org/memfiles/index.php?&direction=0&order=&directory=Steve%20Baker

On this page you’ll find Disk+ ver 3.1 and SuperROM ver 1.8, plus MS MultiPlan 
v1.0 if that’s of interest. I’ve also posted the ROM for the Gold Card v7.10 
chip but that requires the hardware to go with it, so it has limited use.

(By the way, my interest is in burning a few ROMs of my Model T Dice Box 
program from last fall; I figure it’d be fun to have as a ROM chip in person, 
and I’d like to get a version of it into a REX .bx file someday too…)

Cheers and thanks,
SB


--
Greetings from Steve Baker
“Gravity brings me down…”



> On Jul 8, 2021, at 10:24 AM, Greg Swallow  wrote:
> 
> Justin,
> 
> SuperROM (M100) is available as one of the known REX compatible ROM images 
> ZIP file. Just Google "REXCPM" and scroll down to get to the links.
> 
> GregS <><
> 
> Jul 8, 2021 7:06:14 AM Justin Poirier :
> 
>> It appears that Club100 on bitchin100 only have a handful of ROM images. 
>> Where do I go to find SuperROM, Disk+ and those others? They have generic 
>> enough names that Google has been of very little help.
>> 
>> I have been working on an inexpensive carrier solution (for myself, mostly) 
>> that will hold (8) ROM images that are selected with a group of DIP switches 
>> on the carrier itself. Nothing fancy, but if I like the results, I could 
>> probably crank them out, burned and ready, in the $20-$25 range. Not 
>> committing to anything at all, since I’m still in prototyping, but with (8) 
>> ROM slots, I’m not sure what to put in them. So far, I made one that has 
>> TS-DOS, Ultimate, Cleusseau and TS-Random. And since I have twice as much 
>> space as all that, it includes those titles in both the M100/102 versions as 
>> well as the M200 version. That seems wasteful. Maybe I’m wrong!
>> 
>> —Justin
>> 
>>> On Jul 8, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Greg Swallow  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Justin,
>>> 
>>> Having just gotten a Portable Computer Support Group (PCSG) Rom Bank with 
>>> Disk+ and adding SuperROM, I would be intersted in burning some ROMs. Would 
>>> like to know your process. Or, maybe ask if you'd be willing to burn a 
>>> couple.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I'm an ol' PCSG Lucid fan and use Lucid under DOS and Windows 3.1x. 
>>> My choice then is SuperROM to get Lucid and Write ROM in one swing. The 
>>> database is quite useful as well. Add to that Disk+ for easier external 
>>> storage management. Other's will go the Traveling Software route and want 
>>> Ultimate ROM and TS-DOS. Both are great and even with Disk+ I want TS-DOS 
>>> in ROM to work with my TPDD2.
>>> 
>>> Other ROMs are useful, but you'd have to read about them to decide if they 
>>> would be useful to you.
>>> 
>>> God Bless,
>>> GregS <><
>>> 
>>> Jul 8, 2021 6:14:59 AM Justin Poirier :
>>> 
 I’ve been using my M102 (and later as $$$ allowed, M200s) since the early 
 ‘90s, but have just gotten into burning my own ROMs for the ROM slot, now 
 that I’m in a position to fabricate the carrier boards. I’ve found a 
 half-dozen ROM images (separate images for both the 100/102 and the 200), 
 but no real descriptions of what I should be looking into. TS-DOS is a 
 must-have since I have a disk drive, and that works great, but Sardine, 
 Random, etc all look like they need additional “support” ROMs, or extra 
 hardware, or are application-specific in a direction unknown to me. Are 
 there other ROM images that most people find useful, or are part of the 
 “must-have” collection? Where do I find them, if they exist?
 
 I realize I’ve just asked a question like “what is the best brand of motor 
 oil” on a car-enthusiasts forum, but if anyone could throw me a bone and 
 get me pointed in a good direction, I’m pretty good at finding the rest of 
 the details myself.
 
 Thanks a lot!
 
 —Justin

Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC

Steve,

DOS (DR or Free) with Disk+ and Lucid for DOS. Maybe Windows 3.1 and Lucid for 
Windows. I hope to find a Wyse V90LE XPE with duel video and PCMCIA somewhere 
in North America, but only ones I've found are in Germany. At $100+ after 
shipping kinda cost prohibative. Asking here to see if anyone has had luck with 
other models.

GregS <><

Jul 8, 2021 7:18:07 AM Stephen Adolph :

> Greg, what are you hoping to run on the converted thin clients?
> 
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 10:14 AM Greg Swallow  wrote:
>> All,
>> 
>> Am looking to pickup some thin client systems and convert them to Retro PC 
>> an use with the M100. Too many tower systems taking up space. Just wondering 
>> if anyone has done such a conversion and what client et al.
>> 
>> GregS <><

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

Justin,

SuperROM (M100) is available as one of the known REX compatible ROM images ZIP 
file. Just Google "REXCPM" and scroll down to get to the links.

GregS <><

Jul 8, 2021 7:06:14 AM Justin Poirier :

> It appears that Club100 on bitchin100 only have a handful of ROM images. 
> Where do I go to find SuperROM, Disk+ and those others? They have generic 
> enough names that Google has been of very little help.
> 
> I have been working on an inexpensive carrier solution (for myself, mostly) 
> that will hold (8) ROM images that are selected with a group of DIP switches 
> on the carrier itself. Nothing fancy, but if I like the results, I could 
> probably crank them out, burned and ready, in the $20-$25 range. Not 
> committing to anything at all, since I’m still in prototyping, but with (8) 
> ROM slots, I’m not sure what to put in them. So far, I made one that has 
> TS-DOS, Ultimate, Cleusseau and TS-Random. And since I have twice as much 
> space as all that, it includes those titles in both the M100/102 versions as 
> well as the M200 version. That seems wasteful. Maybe I’m wrong!
> 
> —Justin
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Greg Swallow  wrote:
>> 
>> Justin,
>> 
>> Having just gotten a Portable Computer Support Group (PCSG) Rom Bank with 
>> Disk+ and adding SuperROM, I would be intersted in burning some ROMs. Would 
>> like to know your process. Or, maybe ask if you'd be willing to burn a 
>> couple.
>> 
>> Anyway, I'm an ol' PCSG Lucid fan and use Lucid under DOS and Windows 3.1x. 
>> My choice then is SuperROM to get Lucid and Write ROM in one swing. The 
>> database is quite useful as well. Add to that Disk+ for easier external 
>> storage management. Other's will go the Traveling Software route and want 
>> Ultimate ROM and TS-DOS. Both are great and even with Disk+ I want TS-DOS in 
>> ROM to work with my TPDD2.
>> 
>> Other ROMs are useful, but you'd have to read about them to decide if they 
>> would be useful to you.
>> 
>> God Bless,
>> GregS <><
>> 
>> Jul 8, 2021 6:14:59 AM Justin Poirier :
>> 
>>> I’ve been using my M102 (and later as $$$ allowed, M200s) since the early 
>>> ‘90s, but have just gotten into burning my own ROMs for the ROM slot, now 
>>> that I’m in a position to fabricate the carrier boards. I’ve found a 
>>> half-dozen ROM images (separate images for both the 100/102 and the 200), 
>>> but no real descriptions of what I should be looking into. TS-DOS is a 
>>> must-have since I have a disk drive, and that works great, but Sardine, 
>>> Random, etc all look like they need additional “support” ROMs, or extra 
>>> hardware, or are application-specific in a direction unknown to me. Are 
>>> there other ROM images that most people find useful, or are part of the 
>>> “must-have” collection? Where do I find them, if they exist?
>>> 
>>> I realize I’ve just asked a question like “what is the best brand of motor 
>>> oil” on a car-enthusiasts forum, but if anyone could throw me a bone and 
>>> get me pointed in a good direction, I’m pretty good at finding the rest of 
>>> the details myself.
>>> 
>>> Thanks a lot!
>>> 
>>> —Justin

Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC

Greg, what are you hoping to run on the converted thin clients?

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 10:14 AM Greg Swallow  wrote:

> All,
>
> Am looking to pickup some thin client systems and convert them to Retro PC
> an use with the M100. Too many tower systems taking up space. Just
> wondering if anyone has done such a conversion and what client et al.
>
> GregS <><
>

[M100] Converting Thin Client to PC

All,

Am looking to pickup some thin client systems and convert them to Retro PC an 
use with the M100. Too many tower systems taking up space. Just wondering if 
anyone has done such a conversion and what client et al.

GregS <><

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

2021-07-08 Thread Justin Poirier

It appears that Club100 on bitchin100 only have a handful of ROM images. Where 
do I go to find SuperROM, Disk+ and those others? They have generic enough 
names that Google has been of very little help.

I have been working on an inexpensive carrier solution (for myself, mostly) 
that will hold (8) ROM images that are selected with a group of DIP switches on 
the carrier itself. Nothing fancy, but if I like the results, I could probably 
crank them out, burned and ready, in the $20-$25 range. Not committing to 
anything at all, since I’m still in prototyping, but with (8) ROM slots, I’m 
not sure what to put in them. So far, I made one that has TS-DOS, Ultimate, 
Cleusseau and TS-Random. And since I have twice as much space as all that, it 
includes those titles in both the M100/102 versions as well as the M200 
version. That seems wasteful. Maybe I’m wrong!

—Justin

> On Jul 8, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Greg Swallow  wrote:
> 
> Justin,
> 
> Having just gotten a Portable Computer Support Group (PCSG) Rom Bank with 
> Disk+ and adding SuperROM, I would be intersted in burning some ROMs. Would 
> like to know your process. Or, maybe ask if you'd be willing to burn a couple.
> 
> Anyway, I'm an ol' PCSG Lucid fan and use Lucid under DOS and Windows 3.1x. 
> My choice then is SuperROM to get Lucid and Write ROM in one swing. The 
> database is quite useful as well. Add to that Disk+ for easier external 
> storage management. Other's will go the Traveling Software route and want 
> Ultimate ROM and TS-DOS. Both are great and even with Disk+ I want TS-DOS in 
> ROM to work with my TPDD2.
> 
> Other ROMs are useful, but you'd have to read about them to decide if they 
> would be useful to you.
> 
> God Bless,
> GregS <><
> 
> Jul 8, 2021 6:14:59 AM Justin Poirier :
> 
>> I’ve been using my M102 (and later as $$$ allowed, M200s) since the early 
>> ‘90s, but have just gotten into burning my own ROMs for the ROM slot, now 
>> that I’m in a position to fabricate the carrier boards. I’ve found a 
>> half-dozen ROM images (separate images for both the 100/102 and the 200), 
>> but no real descriptions of what I should be looking into. TS-DOS is a 
>> must-have since I have a disk drive, and that works great, but Sardine, 
>> Random, etc all look like they need additional “support” ROMs, or extra 
>> hardware, or are application-specific in a direction unknown to me. Are 
>> there other ROM images that most people find useful, or are part of the 
>> “must-have” collection? Where do I find them, if they exist?
>> 
>> I realize I’ve just asked a question like “what is the best brand of motor 
>> oil” on a car-enthusiasts forum, but if anyone could throw me a bone and get 
>> me pointed in a good direction, I’m pretty good at finding the rest of the 
>> details myself.
>> 
>> Thanks a lot!
>> 
>> —Justin

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

Steve,

Thanks Steve, but one of my two SR came with a full set of original docs 3-ring 
binders and all. So, I'm set. Appreciate it though.

God Bless,

GregS <><

Jul 8, 2021 6:56:13 AM Stephen Adolph :

> Greg, do you perhaps want some hardcopy documentation for Lucid SuperRom etc?
> 
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 9:49 AM Greg Swallow  wrote:
>> Justin,
>> 
>> Having just gotten a Portable Computer Support Group (PCSG) Rom Bank with 
>> Disk+ and adding SuperROM, I would be intersted in burning some ROMs. Would 
>> like to know your process. Or, maybe ask if you'd be willing to burn a 
>> couple.
>> 
>> Anyway, I'm an ol' PCSG Lucid fan and use Lucid under DOS and Windows 3.1x. 
>> My choice then is SuperROM to get Lucid and Write ROM in one swing. The 
>> database is quite useful as well. Add to that Disk+ for easier external 
>> storage management. Other's will go the Traveling Software route and want 
>> Ultimate ROM and TS-DOS. Both are great and even with Disk+ I want TS-DOS in 
>> ROM to work with my TPDD2.
>> 
>> Other ROMs are useful, but you'd have to read about them to decide if they 
>> would be useful to you.
>> 
>> God Bless,
>> GregS <><
>> 
>> Jul 8, 2021 6:14:59 AM Justin Poirier :
>> 
>>> I’ve been using my M102 (and later as $$$ allowed, M200s) since the early 
>>> ‘90s, but have just gotten into burning my own ROMs for the ROM slot, now 
>>> that I’m in a position to fabricate the carrier boards. I’ve found a 
>>> half-dozen ROM images (separate images for both the 100/102 and the 200), 
>>> but no real descriptions of what I should be looking into. TS-DOS is a 
>>> must-have since I have a disk drive, and that works great, but Sardine, 
>>> Random, etc all look like they need additional “support” ROMs, or extra 
>>> hardware, or are application-specific in a direction unknown to me. Are 
>>> there other ROM images that most people find useful, or are part of the 
>>> “must-have” collection? Where do I find them, if they exist?
>>>
>>> I realize I’ve just asked a question like “what is the best brand of motor 
>>> oil” on a car-enthusiasts forum, but if anyone could throw me a bone and 
>>> get me pointed in a good direction, I’m pretty good at finding the rest of 
>>> the details myself.
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot!
>>>
>>> —Justin

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

Greg, do you perhaps want some hardcopy documentation for Lucid SuperRom
etc?

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 9:49 AM Greg Swallow  wrote:

> Justin,
>
> Having just gotten a Portable Computer Support Group (PCSG) Rom Bank with
> Disk+ and adding SuperROM, I would be intersted in burning some ROMs. Would
> like to know your process. Or, maybe ask if you'd be willing to burn a
> couple.
>
> Anyway, I'm an ol' PCSG Lucid fan and use Lucid under DOS and Windows
> 3.1x. My choice then is SuperROM to get Lucid and Write ROM in one swing.
> The database is quite useful as well. Add to that Disk+ for easier external
> storage management. Other's will go the Traveling Software route and want
> Ultimate ROM and TS-DOS. Both are great and even with Disk+ I want TS-DOS
> in ROM to work with my TPDD2.
>
> Other ROMs are useful, but you'd have to read about them to decide if they
> would be useful to you.
>
> God Bless,
> GregS <><
>
> Jul 8, 2021 6:14:59 AM Justin Poirier :
>
> > I’ve been using my M102 (and later as $$$ allowed, M200s) since the
> early ‘90s, but have just gotten into burning my own ROMs for the ROM slot,
> now that I’m in a position to fabricate the carrier boards. I’ve found a
> half-dozen ROM images (separate images for both the 100/102 and the 200),
> but no real descriptions of what I should be looking into. TS-DOS is a
> must-have since I have a disk drive, and that works great, but Sardine,
> Random, etc all look like they need additional “support” ROMs, or extra
> hardware, or are application-specific in a direction unknown to me. Are
> there other ROM images that most people find useful, or are part of the
> “must-have” collection? Where do I find them, if they exist?
> >
> > I realize I’ve just asked a question like “what is the best brand of
> motor oil” on a car-enthusiasts forum, but if anyone could throw me a bone
> and get me pointed in a good direction, I’m pretty good at finding the rest
> of the details myself.
> >
> > Thanks a lot!
> >
> > —Justin
>

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs