Re: [M100] Wifi232 support issue
No one said he was "on the hook" to supply anything. He already supplied it, and, however possibly inadvertantly, picked certain of his customers to to receive notices about it, and others not to, who all paid the same money, without the justification of for example non payment or other bad customer behavior. -- bkw On Aug 27, 2017 12:41 PM, "Hagstrom, Paul" wrote: > The device updates itself, no Twitter account needed. Just type > ATUPDATECHECK to see if there's a new update. I don't see any good coming > of presuming that any hobbyist/enthusiast who designs something and makes > it available to the community for essentially cost is on the hook for > corporate-level customer service. Everyone who owns one has a way to check > for updates, there's no real advantage conferred by knowing there's an > update prior to the next connection of the device. > > -Paul > > > > On Aug 27, 2017, at 12:09 PM, Brian White wrote: > > > > Actually it sounds like he never engaged Rickard on political topics, > but Rick penalized him for his political views anyway, in ways he pointedly > never penalized Rickard. > > > > This discussion isn't about politics. It's about Rickard failing to be > an adult. > > > > I think it was very useful knowledge to know that he behaves in that > way. You buy a product and then are excluded from firmware updates unless > you figure out that something is up and find your own way around his > attempt to block you? Did your money stop working in his bank account? Did > he return it? > > > > Here's how you know this discussion isn't about politics: I don't even > technically know which ofbthese two people's politics I agree with. The > adult in the conversation has appropriately not said. It's about Rickard's > behavior to customers, not Rickards politics. > > > > -- > > bkw > > > > > > On Aug 27, 2017 11:48 AM, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > > It's not a gray area. No politics on this list means no politics on this > list. I don't need to know what you think and you don't need to know what I > think on political issues not directly related to vintage computers. It's > not that hard to not get into that stuff. > > > > Even if it's related I don't like flame wars on tangential issues like > intellectual property on the list. The discussions never solve anything and > it just makes people angry. > > > > Sounds like the moral of the story for wifi232 is don't engage Rickard > on political topics if you don't agree with him. Good to know. > > > > -- John. > > > >
Re: [M100] Wifi232 support issue
The device updates itself, no Twitter account needed. Just type ATUPDATECHECK to see if there's a new update. I don't see any good coming of presuming that any hobbyist/enthusiast who designs something and makes it available to the community for essentially cost is on the hook for corporate-level customer service. Everyone who owns one has a way to check for updates, there's no real advantage conferred by knowing there's an update prior to the next connection of the device. -Paul > On Aug 27, 2017, at 12:09 PM, Brian White wrote: > > Actually it sounds like he never engaged Rickard on political topics, but > Rick penalized him for his political views anyway, in ways he pointedly never > penalized Rickard. > > This discussion isn't about politics. It's about Rickard failing to be an > adult. > > I think it was very useful knowledge to know that he behaves in that way. You > buy a product and then are excluded from firmware updates unless you figure > out that something is up and find your own way around his attempt to block > you? Did your money stop working in his bank account? Did he return it? > > Here's how you know this discussion isn't about politics: I don't even > technically know which ofbthese two people's politics I agree with. The adult > in the conversation has appropriately not said. It's about Rickard's behavior > to customers, not Rickards politics. > > -- > bkw > > > On Aug 27, 2017 11:48 AM, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > It's not a gray area. No politics on this list means no politics on this > list. I don't need to know what you think and you don't need to know what I > think on political issues not directly related to vintage computers. It's not > that hard to not get into that stuff. > > Even if it's related I don't like flame wars on tangential issues like > intellectual property on the list. The discussions never solve anything and > it just makes people angry. > > Sounds like the moral of the story for wifi232 is don't engage Rickard on > political topics if you don't agree with him. Good to know. > > -- John. >
Re: [M100] Wifi232 support issue
Actually it sounds like he never engaged Rickard on political topics, but Rick penalized him for his political views anyway, in ways he pointedly never penalized Rickard. This discussion isn't about politics. It's about Rickard failing to be an adult. I think it was very useful knowledge to know that he behaves in that way. You buy a product and then are excluded from firmware updates unless you figure out that something is up and find your own way around his attempt to block you? Did your money stop working in his bank account? Did he return it? Here's how you know this discussion isn't about politics: I don't even technically know which ofbthese two people's politics I agree with. The adult in the conversation has appropriately not said. It's about Rickard's behavior to customers, not Rickards politics. -- bkw On Aug 27, 2017 11:48 AM, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: It's not a gray area. No politics on this list means no politics on this list. I don't need to know what you think and you don't need to know what I think on political issues not directly related to vintage computers. It's not that hard to not get into that stuff. Even if it's related I don't like flame wars on tangential issues like intellectual property on the list. The discussions never solve anything and it just makes people angry. Sounds like the moral of the story for wifi232 is don't engage Rickard on political topics if you don't agree with him. Good to know. -- John.
Re: [M100] Wifi232 support issue
It's not a gray area. No politics on this list means no politics on this list. I don't need to know what you think and you don't need to know what I think on political issues not directly related to vintage computers. It's not that hard to not get into that stuff. Even if it's related I don't like flame wars on tangential issues like intellectual property on the list. The discussions never solve anything and it just makes people angry. Sounds like the moral of the story for wifi232 is don't engage Rickard on political topics if you don't agree with him. Good to know. -- John.
[M100] Wifi232 support issue
After purchasing a Wifi232 from Paul Rickards (@paulrickards on twitter), I began following him on twitter to remain informed of firmware updates and availability of new units; I'd planned on buying 1 or 2 more when they became available. While I find most of his social/political views expressed on twitter distasteful, I still followed him, because the point was the Wifi232 module which I still believe is a very good idea and useful device. I've been promoting it, and still encourage others to get one. I began wondering why he was so quiet on twitter recently... yup, I was blocked. I no doubt said something on twitter with which he had extreme issues. It's not my intent to politicize the mailing list. I just found out I was blocked, then viewed his twitter timeline from another twitter account... and he announced a firmware upgrade of which I was completely unaware because he'd blocked me on twitter. This seems unethical to me, but we're living in an age of growing censorship. I still think this is a good device, I still encourage other Model-T owners to acquire one, and intend getting another if possible. I *am* more anxious for the development of the Woolley Model-T expansion device, now, for my two m100s. But as they are specialized for the m100, they won't do much for the rest of my vintage computers (a collection I'm hoping to rebuild... boy is ebay getting expensive!). It doesn't occur to Mr Rickards, I guess, that I'm as distasteful of paying my money to a left-wing extremist as he is of selling his product to a right-wing extremist (from our relative perspectives). Perhaps I do him an injustice, and he'll sell me a 2nd one when they become available again, anyway. I'm no way advocating that he be required to sell me his product (although I do think he's ethically required to support a product he's already sold to me). I'm not requesting a boycott, nor am I requesting or even encouraging anyone to address the issue to him. I'm not even whining that I got blocked; I've blocked a number of people and been blocked far more than once. I just want people to be aware that if you've bought a product from him, don't assume that a lack of communication from him means there's no development in the product. I haven't had a chance to try the one I received out yet, but based on everything I've seen and read, and based upon physical examination, it's a good product. But there's a firmware update for the Wifi232 which I haven't downloaded because I didn't know about it. So check his website periodically. Following him on twitter is somewhat mandatory as that is where he announces new production runs of the Wifi232, and they go quickly. Sorry if this is somewhat off-topic or edges into the gray area of the mailing list rules, but I felt, as the wifi232 could be a very useful device for Model-T owners, they need to be aware of this potential problem. Here's a link to his project website for those not familiar with the wifi232 and who may wish to buy one: http://biosrhythm.com/?page_id=1453
