Re: suitable speakers?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Cheers Barry.  I'm having difficulty tracking them down this side of the pond, 
but will persevere.

Dónal
On 29 Jul 2010, at 18:18, Barry Hadder wrote:

> I highly recommend the Cambridge Soundworks model twelve: 
> http://store.cambridgesoundworks.com/Model-Twelve-Transportable-System/M/B0002DURV2.htm.
> I'm using it with my Macbook.
> Very portable and sounds incredible.  A little pricy, but well worth it.
> 
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Apologies if slightly OT, but I have a question that I reckon people on this
>> list will have an answer for.
>> 
>> I need a pair of very high quality speakers which can be used with my
>> Macbook pro, or indeed with the iPhone.  However, they need to be
>> (relatively) portable.  This arose because of a presentation I made  in
>> Vienna a few weeks ago, and I was unable to play some auditory examples,
>> which would have illustrated a new way of presenting mathematics.  I have
>> some more such presentations coming up, and would therefore appreciate help.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Dónal
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suitable speakers?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Apologies if slightly OT, but I have a question that I reckon people on this
list will have an answer for.

I need a pair of very high quality speakers which can be used with my
Macbook pro, or indeed with the iPhone.  However, they need to be
(relatively) portable.  This arose because of a presentation I made  in
Vienna a few weeks ago, and I was unable to play some auditory examples,
which would have illustrated a new way of presenting mathematics.  I have
some more such presentations coming up, and would therefore appreciate help.

Cheers,

Dónal

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Re: convert text to mp3

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

HI there,

Here's one case where I've found it handy.  Back in the bad old days when I 
used to use windows, I had lots of text-books I needed to read.  On the bus was 
the only time I could do this.  I didn't have an iPhone, just a standard old 60 
gig iAudio running rockbox, (and a fantastic player it was).  Anyways, I 
converted the text of the book to mp3, used Winamp to create a playlist, and 
popped the whole thing onto the mp3 player.

Cheers,

Dónal
On 9 Jul 2010, at 13:07, Eric Caron wrote:

> I'm always glad to find ways to use technology to make life easier or more 
> interesting.  I'm not sure how changing a text file to a mp3 file assists 
> folks as our computers read the text files for us.  Could someone give a 
> example of how converting a file  in this way is helpful?  I suspect once I 
> understand I may want to use the converter!
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
> 
> On Jul 8, 2010, at 7:12 PM, Blake Sinnett wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Google is your friend. For example, here's a link to a search for "text to 
>> mp3" "mac".
>> 
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=%22text+to+mp3%22+%22mac%22
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Blake
>> 
>>> From: jkenn...@gmail.com
>>> Subject: convert text to mp3
>>> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:28:08 -0400
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> Is there any program I can use for the mac to convert text into mp3? text 
>>> documents or word documents into mp3? maybe something like text aloud for 
>>> the mac but something freeware or open source? something that uses the mac 
>>> voices to convert text to mp3? 
>>> 
>>> Josh
>>> 
>>> Josh Kennedy
>>> jkenn...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> Josh Kennedy
>>> jkenn...@gmail.com
>>> 
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RE: A "Take Control" question

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Taking this on a tangent, has anyone else experience a problem with the
take-control catalogue page?  VO keeps restarting for me on this page.

Dónal

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: 06 July 2010 18:24
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A "Take Control" question

Michael, from what I recall, there is such a creature and I do not believe
the cost was all that much.
On Jul 6, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Michael Busboom wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> Does anybody know if there is a "Take Control" book out there for the
latest version of Mail or at least for Mail under Snow Leopard?  Since I
still have several questions about how to accomplish certain things in Mail,
I thought it wiser to consult a manual before posting to a list.
> 
> Thanks so much,
> 
> Mike
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Re: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

As ever, thank you Ester.
On 28 Jun 2010, at 22:57, Esther wrote:

> Hi Dónal,
> 
> According to the Mac-access list folks, who converted all their servers from 
> Windows to the Mac at the end of last year, you could run a mac Mini with SL 
> server on it without a monitor up through 10.6.2, but when 10.6.3 came out 
> you needed to connect a monitor.  You could ask them for more details. Here's 
> the Mac-access mailing list info web page:
> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Jun 28, 2010, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Brian I'm curious.  When running Snow-Leopard server, does a monitor need to 
>> be connected?  I'm half tempted to buy a mac Mini and run SL server on it, 
>> however, as I don't want to plug a monitor in, I won't bother if it needs 
>> one when running this version of the OS.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 28 Jun 2010, at 22:46, Bryan Smart wrote:
>> 
>>> For a dongle, you'd need to have something custom-made, as there isn't 
>>> anything right now that I know of. Besides that, you'd need the mini 
>>> displayport to VGA adaptor from Apple. By the time you got through buying 
>>> those, you could have purchased a small LCD monitor for the same price.
>>> 
>>> If the point is to be compact, and not to save money, then you can buy a 
>>> basic MacBook for about the same money.
>>> 
>>> Bryan
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Aman Singer
>>> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 8:08 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor
>>> 
>>> Thank you, Brian, this is sensible and I appreciate it. If I may ask, do 
>>> you know if the checks are made at launch and then not made again, or are 
>>> they made periodically? Secondly, we have heard that even an unplugged 
>>> monitor will do. Is this so with the newer machines, since I assume there 
>>> needs to be a response to the resolution check? That is, does one need a 
>>> monitor with power, or can one simply not power it on?
>>> Finally, do you know of a dongle that would allow a cheap VGA monitor to be 
>>> hooked up or, alternatively, an adapter that would simply respond properly 
>>> to the checks you mention are going on?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Aman
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Smart
>>> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 5:45 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor
>>> 
>>> Because apps like Safari decide how much information that they can show at 
>>> once based on the current display resolution. The Mac determines the 
>>> available screen resolutions by determining the type of monitor that is 
>>> connected. When no monitor is connected, no screen resolution is defined, 
>>> and so any program that depends on screen resolution will go wacko, as it 
>>> thinks you have a screen with size 0. Can't fit a lot of information on a 
>>> screen with size 0. Most programmers never test for that situation, because 
>>> they can't test without some sort of monitor connected. Apple could fix 
>>> Safari, but that's just one program among many that will go bonkers with a 
>>> size 0 screen.
>>> 
>>> On Windows, there is a way to tell it to ignore what it thinks is possible 
>>> for the monitor, and to just use a specific screen resolution. The Mac 
>>> doesn't have any way to bypass its sanity checking in that regard, at least 
>>> as far as I've been able to discover. Maybe there is some way to hack it in 
>>> from the terminal. I have a built-in screen on my MBP, and a monitor for my 
>>> Mac Pro, so i'm personally satisfied. Maybe someone that's motivated could 
>>> poke around and see if they can find a hack to manually force the mac to 
>>> use a specific screen resolution.
>>> 
>>> Bryan
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Re: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Brian I'm curious.  When running Snow-Leopard server, does a monitor need to be 
connected?  I'm half tempted to buy a mac Mini and run SL server on it, 
however, as I don't want to plug a monitor in, I won't bother if it needs one 
when running this version of the OS.

Cheers

Dónal
On 28 Jun 2010, at 22:46, Bryan Smart wrote:

> For a dongle, you'd need to have something custom-made, as there isn't 
> anything right now that I know of. Besides that, you'd need the mini 
> displayport to VGA adaptor from Apple. By the time you got through buying 
> those, you could have purchased a small LCD monitor for the same price.
> 
> If the point is to be compact, and not to save money, then you can buy a 
> basic MacBook for about the same money.
> 
> Bryan
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Aman Singer
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 8:08 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor
> 
> Thank you, Brian, this is sensible and I appreciate it. If I may ask, do you 
> know if the checks are made at launch and then not made again, or are they 
> made periodically? Secondly, we have heard that even an unplugged monitor 
> will do. Is this so with the newer machines, since I assume there needs to be 
> a response to the resolution check? That is, does one need a monitor with 
> power, or can one simply not power it on?
> Finally, do you know of a dongle that would allow a cheap VGA monitor to be 
> hooked up or, alternatively, an adapter that would simply respond properly to 
> the checks you mention are going on? 
> Thanks.
> Aman
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Smart
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 5:45 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor
> 
> Because apps like Safari decide how much information that they can show at 
> once based on the current display resolution. The Mac determines the 
> available screen resolutions by determining the type of monitor that is 
> connected. When no monitor is connected, no screen resolution is defined, and 
> so any program that depends on screen resolution will go wacko, as it thinks 
> you have a screen with size 0. Can't fit a lot of information on a screen 
> with size 0. Most programmers never test for that situation, because they 
> can't test without some sort of monitor connected. Apple could fix Safari, 
> but that's just one program among many that will go bonkers with a size 0 
> screen.
> 
> On Windows, there is a way to tell it to ignore what it thinks is possible 
> for the monitor, and to just use a specific screen resolution. The Mac 
> doesn't have any way to bypass its sanity checking in that regard, at least 
> as far as I've been able to discover. Maybe there is some way to hack it in 
> from the terminal. I have a built-in screen on my MBP, and a monitor for my 
> Mac Pro, so i'm personally satisfied. Maybe someone that's motivated could 
> poke around and see if they can find a hack to manually force the mac to use 
> a specific screen resolution.
> 
> Bryan 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore
> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 5:30 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor
> 
> Why is it sluggish without a monitor?  That does not make sense.  Why should 
> someone blind be forced into paying for a monitor they can't see and running 
> up extra electricity costs.
> 
> Tell apple they need to think more about their green policies!
> 
> I would love to know what accessibility at apple think of that one.
> On 27 Jun 2010, at 22:21, Courtney Curran wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I've never used a monitor with my Mack mini. Even with setup, I didn't 
>> use
> a mouse, but it was kind of tough, without the mouse plus, I didn't really 
> know much about the Mack. But other than that, my Mack Mini works fine 
> without the monitor, kind of sluggish with Safari though.
>> Hth,
>> Courtney
>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Cody Hurst wrote:
>> 
>>> I"m not so sure that a monitor is required, although it might be for 
>>> the initial setup. I can say for sure a keyboard and mouse are 
>>> required
> for the setup. I think when I had my mini back in 08 that it was required but 
> I'm unsure On Jun 27, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Aman Singer wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, all.
I find myself in some difficulty. I have available to me one of the 
 new Mac Minis. However, I do not have a monitor at all times. Before 
 I obtain the unit, I should like to know whether it would be 
 possible to use it without a monitor. If so, are any settings 
 required? If not, when is the check for the monitor done? Is it just 
 at boot up, or is it done periodica

Re: What view to you use on the finder and which is easier for beginner?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

I'm with Ricardo on this one, and for exactly the same reasons.  However, I 
would be surprised that, given the diversity of people/opinion on this list if 
you don't get an advocate for all of the provided views.

Cheers

Dónal
On 23 Jun 2010, at 19:15, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I like column view.  I just find it quick and easy to get in and out of 
> folders just using the arrows.
> 
> hth 
> On Jun 23, 2010, at 1:59 PM, Alfredo wrote:
> 
>> I use the list view on my windows pc using jaws, and would like to use
>> the same view on the mac but i want to know which one you guys think
>> is easier for beginners and better for a voice over user?  What is the
>> difference between list view and column view, I do not understand what
>> is the difference, seems like the difference is just that with list
>> view you have to use the vo keys and the backslash, while with the
>> column view you do not use these.  Is the cover flow view accesible or
>> even functional for a blind user to view.  I like the idea of being
>> able to preview my documents but can I use it?
>> Any opinion would be grealty appreciated.
>> alfredo
>> 
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Re: problem with multiple macs on same wifi network.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Nope, an old Netopia router which isn't very good.  However, the similarity is 
that we have a macbook pro, and two iMacs trying to connect.  Scouring the 
forums though would suggest that it's a known snow-lepard issue.
On 21 Jun 2010, at 18:55, Cody Hurst wrote:

> I have the same exact issue. Are you using a linksys router? I'm not sure 
> what goes on, but it seems to topple over when I want to do filesharing, 
> which works flawlessly but that is when it falls over. I have no clue why 
> this happens but either a reboot or a reboot of the router does the trick. 
> I've got an iMac and a macbook here and wouldn't have a clue. But I have 
> tried printer sharing and it works flawlessly as well.
> 
> Take care
> Cody
> On Jun 21, 2010, at 7:14 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just wondering if anyone has encountered this one.  I have three macs at 
>> home, and when any two of them are on, and trying to use the wifi router, 
>> the entire thing falls over.
>> 
>> Any of several things happen:
>> 1.  one of the machines cannot connect to the network;
>> 2.  the router itself drops connectivity to the broadband service provider.
>> 
>> I don't think it's an issue with the number of machines, as connecting a mac 
>> and a windows machine (or two) doesn't cause this.
>> 
>> Anyone any ideas?
>> 
>> Dónal
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Re: resolved: changing sheets in Numbers.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Anne,

There seems to be a "sheets" pane which changes sheet.  Within each sheet, 
(certainly in the spreadsheet I'm having issues with) there are tables.  So 
when you say select the individual sheets from the layout area, I'm not sure I 
quite follow you. *smile* I'm probably being a bit slow, but in my defence it's 
been a long day of looking at student grades.

Cheers,

Dónal
On 21 Jun 2010, at 17:23, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Dónal,
> 
> On Jun 21, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> 
>> I found a solution to the problem of changing sheets.  The keyboard shortcut 
>> Command-PageUp does the trick.  However, there is one caveat.  Voiceover 
>> seems to have difficulty with this aspect of the application.  SO after 
>> switching sheet, it's best to stop interacting with the table, and the 
>> layout area.  Then you can simply interact again, and the information is 
>> correctly read.
>> 
> I found that you can select the sheet you want in the Layout Area. Each sheet 
> is called a Layout Item. It seems to work in the same way as Pages.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
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Re: problem with multiple macs on same wifi network.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Ahh but sharing is caring!  :)  However back to the original point of this 
thread.  I changed the security on the router and everything seems to be now 
working fine.  As I said in a previous message, I've absolutely no idea why..
On 21 Jun 2010, at 17:05, Scott Howell wrote:

> Hmmm, I would, but I have a wife who has a problem with sharing. :)
> 
> On Jun 21, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> lol trust me I don't need an excuse to buy gadgets.  However, I already have 
>> a rather nice Extreme, and an Airport express at home which are working 
>> beautifully.  However, if you want to give me your credit card, I'l happily 
>> buy a second one for myself! *smile*
>> On 21 Jun 2010, at 15:53, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Hmmm, sounds like an excuse to purchase an AirPort Extreme or Time Capsule. 
>>> :) Yeah, I'm just trying to help you spend money. he he 
>>> This does sound like a rather perplexing problem and I would be interested 
>>> in the end results.
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resolved: changing sheets in Numbers.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi,

I found a solution to the problem of changing sheets.  The keyboard shortcut 
Command-PageUp does the trick.  However, there is one caveat.  Voiceover seems 
to have difficulty with this aspect of the application.  SO after switching 
sheet, it's best to stop interacting with the table, and the layout area.  Then 
you can simply interact again, and the information is correctly read.

Hope this helps someone,

Dónal

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Re: problem with multiple macs on same wifi network.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

lol trust me I don't need an excuse to buy gadgets.  However, I already have a 
rather nice Extreme, and an Airport express at home which are working 
beautifully.  However, if you want to give me your credit card, I'l happily buy 
a second one for myself! *smile*
On 21 Jun 2010, at 15:53, Scott Howell wrote:

> Hmmm, sounds like an excuse to purchase an AirPort Extreme or Time Capsule. 
> :) Yeah, I'm just trying to help you spend money. he he 
> This does sound like a rather perplexing problem and I would be interested in 
> the end results.
> On Jun 21, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Scott, everything is using DHCP.  Unfortunately, I don't think the 
>> router supports dhcp reservations, but it's an excellent thought.
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 21 Jun 2010, at 15:05, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Anne,
>>> 
>>> Like you, I also have a number of Macs and iPhones connected to the 
>>> wireless network and I am not or have not experienced any problems.
>>> I am curious if all of the machines on the network are configured to use 
>>> dhcp or a mix of dhcp and static. It should not matter, but if using dhcp 
>>> and if it is possible, I would use dhcp reservations to ensure each machine 
>>> gets the same address. This is sort of like static, but yet new machines 
>>> can get addresses.
>>> Just a thought from my perspective, which may be of little benefit. :)
>>> On Jun 21, 2010, at 9:05 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello Dónal,
>>>> 
>>>> We regularly have 4 or 5 Macs connected to our wifi network and never have 
>>>> the problems you describe.
>>>> 
>>>> We have an Airport Extreme and an Airport Express with the Airport Extreme 
>>>> connected via ethernet to our modem-router.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Anne
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 21, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just wondering if anyone has encountered this one.  I have three macs at 
>>>>> home, and when any two of them are on, and trying to use the wifi router, 
>>>>> the entire thing falls over.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any of several things happen:
>>>>> 1.  one of the machines cannot connect to the network;
>>>>> 2.  the router itself drops connectivity to the broadband service 
>>>>> provider.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't think it's an issue with the number of machines, as connecting a 
>>>>> mac and a windows machine (or two) doesn't cause this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyone any ideas?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dónal
>>>>> 
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changing sheets in numbers

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi all,

I've just been sent an Excel workbook by a colleague with multiple sheets.  
Anyone know how to go from sheet to sheet?  I can see the various sheets and 
tables in the "sheets table" but can't figure how to select a different one. 

Cheers

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Re: problem with multiple macs on same wifi network.

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Thanks Scott, everything is using DHCP.  Unfortunately, I don't think the 
router supports dhcp reservations, but it's an excellent thought.

Dónal
On 21 Jun 2010, at 15:05, Scott Howell wrote:

> Anne,
> 
> Like you, I also have a number of Macs and iPhones connected to the wireless 
> network and I am not or have not experienced any problems.
> I am curious if all of the machines on the network are configured to use dhcp 
> or a mix of dhcp and static. It should not matter, but if using dhcp and if 
> it is possible, I would use dhcp reservations to ensure each machine gets the 
> same address. This is sort of like static, but yet new machines can get 
> addresses.
> Just a thought from my perspective, which may be of little benefit. :)
> On Jun 21, 2010, at 9:05 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Dónal,
>> 
>> We regularly have 4 or 5 Macs connected to our wifi network and never have 
>> the problems you describe.
>> 
>> We have an Airport Extreme and an Airport Express with the Airport Extreme 
>> connected via ethernet to our modem-router.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 21, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Just wondering if anyone has encountered this one.  I have three macs at 
>>> home, and when any two of them are on, and trying to use the wifi router, 
>>> the entire thing falls over.
>>> 
>>> Any of several things happen:
>>> 1.  one of the machines cannot connect to the network;
>>> 2.  the router itself drops connectivity to the broadband service provider.
>>> 
>>> I don't think it's an issue with the number of machines, as connecting a 
>>> mac and a windows machine (or two) doesn't cause this.
>>> 
>>> Anyone any ideas?
>>> 
>>> Dónal
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Re: problem with multiple macs on same wifi network.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Anne,
This seems to be a problem a lot of people have experienced since upgrading to 
SL.  However, oddly enough, we've just changed the security on the router to 
WPA and everything now seems fine.  I've no idea why this is the case, but I'm 
certainly not complaining.  I'm not using an Airport at this location, but an 
old Netopia router.

Cheers

Dónal
On 21 Jun 2010, at 14:05, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Dónal,
> 
> We regularly have 4 or 5 Macs connected to our wifi network and never have 
> the problems you describe.
> 
> We have an Airport Extreme and an Airport Express with the Airport Extreme 
> connected via ethernet to our modem-router.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On Jun 21, 2010, at 1:14 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just wondering if anyone has encountered this one.  I have three macs at 
>> home, and when any two of them are on, and trying to use the wifi router, 
>> the entire thing falls over.
>> 
>> Any of several things happen:
>> 1.  one of the machines cannot connect to the network;
>> 2.  the router itself drops connectivity to the broadband service provider.
>> 
>> I don't think it's an issue with the number of machines, as connecting a mac 
>> and a windows machine (or two) doesn't cause this.
>> 
>> Anyone any ideas?
>> 
>> Dónal
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problem with multiple macs on same wifi network.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi all,

Just wondering if anyone has encountered this one.  I have three macs at home, 
and when any two of them are on, and trying to use the wifi router, the entire 
thing falls over.

Any of several things happen:
1.  one of the machines cannot connect to the network;
2.  the router itself drops connectivity to the broadband service provider.

I don't think it's an issue with the number of machines, as connecting a mac 
and a windows machine (or two) doesn't cause this.

Anyone any ideas?

Dónal

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RE: Abbyy fine reader for Mac

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Chris,

I wouldn't mind that either! *smile*   Has anyone seen the specifications
for the camera in iPhone 4?  Specifically, is the flash LED or xenon based?

Cheers,

Dónal

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore
Sent: 18 June 2010 17:06
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Abbyy fine reader for Mac

Maybe we are all thinking a bit too old school.  Two weeks ago Humanware
demonstrated document readers to me which used a camera instead.  The camera
was portable as it was on a fold up tripod type thing.  The software was on
a Windows machine which drove the camera, words were also displayed on
screen as the document was read out.  The camera took  a picture of the
document and a second or so later the document was read out to me.  You
could take pictures of multiple pages too.  tHe speech quality was amazing,
even better then Alex I have to be honest. I thought h I would buy this
if I could use it on my Mac too.  I wish Humanware would develop software
for the Mac to drive hardware like this.

I decided on the iPal Solo so I did not have to use a windows machine to
read documents, as the iPal solo works completely without a computer.  

Who knows in about 2 years time we will all probably be reading printed
material via the camera on the iPhone 6 or whatever. I can just picture a
nifty stand you slide your iPhone or iPod Touch into to neatly take a
picture of the document below.  I want it now!!!

On 18 Jun 2010, at 16:43, Mary Otten wrote:

> Hi allison,
> While I have not used abbyy for the Mac, based on what I've heard people
say, no, it is nowhere near like K1000, which I have used for probably a
decade. Yes, you can hook up a usb scanner, and if you get one that FR
recognized, such as the hp 8300 pro or epson 200 or 300, I forget the full
model designation, you can apparently scan directly without the need for a
second app to do the scanning part and then transferring the file to abby
for processing. But, as I understand it, you cannot scan and read
simultaneously; you can't scan multiple pages into the same file. You can't
scan and immediately read to check out setting accuracy. You have to let
abbyy save the page to a file and then read it there. Lots more steps. Maybe
ok for the occasional page. but totally not so for serious scanning. If my
understanding of the limitation of fr express is incorrect, I hope somebody
will correct me. I asked a guy I know who uses FR with the hp8300 and who
has used k1000 if fr express could do the things I outlined above and he
flatly said no. to be sure, there is a huge cost difference. But having an
excellent efficient scanning solution is one reason I have no intention of
giving up Windows for now. Using two applications where one will do, having
to  save to a file prior to reading and not being able have multiple pages
in the same file, have it open and reading while I'm scanning, or even
scanning one thing and reading another are all reasons why I can't see
dumping windows for scanning/ocr purposes.  If abbyy would come out with a
full version of fine reader, that might be a different story.
> 
> mary
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Re: safari 5, another interesting bug.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Barry,

Unfortunately the URL won't work, as you need to be subscribed to the forums.  
This costs 10 GBP annually, so I wouldn't bother. 
On 16 Jun 2010, at 15:42, Barry Hadder wrote:

> Hi Donal,
> 
> What's the url?  I would like to give it a try.
> Thanks.
> 
> On Jun 16, 2010, at 7:31 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Afternoonall,
>> 
>> I upgraded to 10.6.4 last night, and it seems that this upgrade includes 
>> Safari 5.  So the first thing I did was go to my favourite soccer forum, and 
>> lo and behold, (and I know you all will find this hard to believe) Safari 5 
>> doesn't work with the site.
>> 
>> The major page content is contained in a table.  In some columns of said 
>> table, VO reports "unknown".  However, when you interact with the text of 
>> the cell, the contents of the cell are correctly announced.
>> 
>> I have saved the page as a web archive and sent it to Accessibility with 
>> instructions on how to recreate the bug.  However I'm just curious whether 
>> anyone else has encountered this?
>> 
>> I think Apple is sadly learning from Microsoft, in that they are releasing 
>> seriously buggy updates and getting the end-user to do the testing for them. 
>>  
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Dónal
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safari 5, another interesting bug.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Afternoonall,

 I upgraded to 10.6.4 last night, and it seems that this upgrade includes 
Safari 5.  So the first thing I did was go to my favourite soccer forum, and lo 
and behold, (and I know you all will find this hard to believe) Safari 5 
doesn't work with the site.

The major page content is contained in a table.  In some columns of said table, 
VO reports "unknown".  However, when you interact with the text of the cell, 
the contents of the cell are correctly announced.

I have saved the page as a web archive and sent it to Accessibility with 
instructions on how to recreate the bug.  However I'm just curious whether 
anyone else has encountered this?

I think Apple is sadly learning from Microsoft, in that they are releasing 
seriously buggy updates and getting the end-user to do the testing for them.  

Cheers

Dónal

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RE: purchasing Plextalk pocket, any thoughts?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Thanks very much Courtney.  Friends of mine here are using it with windows
machines and they love it.  I'm very glad to see it just shows up as a
drive.

Cheers

Dónal

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtney Curran
Sent: 14 June 2010 16:27
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: purchasing Plextalk pocket, any thoughts?

Hi,
I just hook the actual Plextalk pocket to the Mack and it works.
Courtney

On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Hi Courtney,
> 
> I presume you just put the SD card into the Mac to copy things across?
> 
> Cheers
> Dónal
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Courtney Curran
> Sent: 14 June 2010 15:14
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: purchasing Plextalk pocket, any thoughts?
> 
> Hi, I have a Plextalk Pocket, and I just love it. It works just fine with
a
> Mack, and the recorder is awesome. 
> Hth,
> Courtney
> On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:01 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Well the subject line says it all really.  Has anyone got one of these
>> things?  I don't see a reason why they won't work with a Mac, but just
> want
>> to make sure.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Dónal
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RE: purchasing Plextalk pocket, any thoughts?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Courtney,

I presume you just put the SD card into the Mac to copy things across?

Cheers
Dónal
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Subject: Re: purchasing Plextalk pocket, any thoughts?

Hi, I have a Plextalk Pocket, and I just love it. It works just fine with a
Mack, and the recorder is awesome. 
Hth,
Courtney
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> Hi,
> 
> Well the subject line says it all really.  Has anyone got one of these
> things?  I don't see a reason why they won't work with a Mac, but just
want
> to make sure.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dónal
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purchasing Plextalk pocket, any thoughts?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi,

Well the subject line says it all really.  Has anyone got one of these
things?  I don't see a reason why they won't work with a Mac, but just want
to make sure.

Cheers,
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Re: Possible workaround to Safari5 Problems

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Olivia,

I don't actually know for certain whether they would be of use, I just know 
from my own development experience it's the first place I look for anomalies.

Cheers

Dónal
On 9 Jun 2010, at 15:03, Olivia Norman wrote:

> I can certainly zip up my log files and send them on over to accessibility. I 
> wouldn't even know what to look for in terms of odd entries, though.
> 
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
> 
> On Jun 9, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> HI,
>> 
>> I haven't updated yet, and based on the feedback from the list I don't plan 
>> to.  However, for those of you who experiencing problems, are there any 
>> odd/unusual entries in the system logs, or other log files?
>> 
>> If so, this content might be very useful to Apple in their attempts to 
>> debug, recreate and (hopefully) solve the issue.
>> 
>> The fact that so many of you are experiencing the same issue means it should 
>> be relatively straightforward to reproduce.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 9 Jun 2010, at 14:50, Olivia Norman wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, it has been reported to accessibility.  I'm experiencing the same 
>>> issues both with audible and the Apple support sites, of all pages. 
>>> Olivia
>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
>>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 2:05 AM, Doug Lawlor wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hello, I have done what you described below and VO is still restarting 
>>>> here when I access Audible's site. I honestly don't think a web site 
>>>> should be restarting your screen reader. Has this been reported to Apple 
>>>> Accessibility?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, 
>>>> 
>>>> Doug
>>>> 
>>>> On 2010-06-09, at 1:42 AM, Barry Hadder wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Ok everybody,
>>>>> 
>>>>> This seems to work, but it's just a work-around as doing this can still 
>>>>> cause problems in some situations.  Check the "Disable Run away Java 
>>>>> script Timer" option in the develop menu.  You can turn on the develop 
>>>>> menu in the advanced tab of Safari preferences.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This seems to fix the problem and leaves the javascript functionality in 
>>>>> tact.
>>>>> 
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Re: Possible workaround to Safari5 Problems

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

HI,

I haven't updated yet, and based on the feedback from the list I don't plan to. 
 However, for those of you who experiencing problems, are there any odd/unusual 
entries in the system logs, or other log files?

If so, this content might be very useful to Apple in their attempts to debug, 
recreate and (hopefully) solve the issue.

The fact that so many of you are experiencing the same issue means it should be 
relatively straightforward to reproduce.

Cheers

Dónal
On 9 Jun 2010, at 14:50, Olivia Norman wrote:

> Yes, it has been reported to accessibility.  I'm experiencing the same issues 
> both with audible and the Apple support sites, of all pages. 
> Olivia
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
> 
> On Jun 9, 2010, at 2:05 AM, Doug Lawlor wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hello, I have done what you described below and VO is still restarting here 
>> when I access Audible's site. I honestly don't think a web site should be 
>> restarting your screen reader. Has this been reported to Apple Accessibility?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>> On 2010-06-09, at 1:42 AM, Barry Hadder wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok everybody,
>>> 
>>> This seems to work, but it's just a work-around as doing this can still 
>>> cause problems in some situations.  Check the "Disable Run away Java script 
>>> Timer" option in the develop menu.  You can turn on the develop menu in the 
>>> advanced tab of Safari preferences.
>>> 
>>> This seems to fix the problem and leaves the javascript functionality in 
>>> tact.
>>> 
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Re: Solona screen protectors.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Thanks very much indeed Ricardo.  My friend's problem is that he finds the 
touchscreen hard to use.

Thanks.
On 8 Jun 2010, at 19:46, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I purchased 2 of the screen protectors for my iPod touch.  I have the full 
> keyboard and the abbreviated versions.  I think they can help a person with 
> the speed and accuracy of their typing.  More so the new iPhone/iPad/iPod 
> touch user.  I don't know if these screen protectors will change your friends 
> mind much.  I guess it would depends on why they felt an iPhone wasn't for 
> them to begin with.  If they just didn't like tying on the virtual keyboard 
> on the screen I think they will help a bit.  If they just don't like the UI 
> of the Apple i products, it probably won't make too much of a difference.  I 
> think the cost of the screen protectors make them worth a shot.  I personally 
> like it.  I was looking for screen protectors anyway so why not ones that can 
> help me in the use of the product?
> 
> hth
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Anne that would be excellent, thank you.  Have you heard good things about
>> them?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
>> Sent: 08 June 2010 16:12
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Solona screen protectors.
>> 
>> Hello Dónal,
>> 
>> I'm waiting to receive samples of these screen protectors so that I can put
>> together a bulk order for the members of the French CeciMac list. I'll let
>> you know about them as soon as I get a look at them myself.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> 
>>> My apologies to the mods if this is veering off topic, but I've been asked
>>> by a friend of mine whether anyone has used the iPhone Solona tactile
>> screen
>>> protectors.
>>> 
>>> The summary of his situation is that he had an iPhone, and played with it
>>> for quite some time before realising that the device wasn't for him.
>>> However, he says that if the screen protector were any use, he'd be quite
>>> happy to give it another shot, as he reckons the dots would greatly assist
>>> him.
>>> 
>>> I'd appreciate any opinions, and I'll pass them on.  Again, if I've
>> drifted
>>> off topic, do please feel free to respond to me off-list rather than
>>> cluttering up people's mailboxes.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Dónal
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RE: Solona screen protectors.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Anne that would be excellent, thank you.  Have you heard good things about
them?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: 08 June 2010 16:12
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Solona screen protectors.

Hello Dónal,

I'm waiting to receive samples of these screen protectors so that I can put
together a bulk order for the members of the French CeciMac list. I'll let
you know about them as soon as I get a look at them myself.

Cheers,

Anne


On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> My apologies to the mods if this is veering off topic, but I've been asked
> by a friend of mine whether anyone has used the iPhone Solona tactile
screen
> protectors.
> 
> The summary of his situation is that he had an iPhone, and played with it
> for quite some time before realising that the device wasn't for him.
> However, he says that if the screen protector were any use, he'd be quite
> happy to give it another shot, as he reckons the dots would greatly assist
> him.
> 
> I'd appreciate any opinions, and I'll pass them on.  Again, if I've
drifted
> off topic, do please feel free to respond to me off-list rather than
> cluttering up people's mailboxes.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dónal
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Solona screen protectors.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

My apologies to the mods if this is veering off topic, but I've been asked
by a friend of mine whether anyone has used the iPhone Solona tactile screen
protectors.

The summary of his situation is that he had an iPhone, and played with it
for quite some time before realising that the device wasn't for him.
However, he says that if the screen protector were any use, he'd be quite
happy to give it another shot, as he reckons the dots would greatly assist
him.

I'd appreciate any opinions, and I'll pass them on.  Again, if I've drifted
off topic, do please feel free to respond to me off-list rather than
cluttering up people's mailboxes.

Cheers,

Dónal

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Re: Local Web Development

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hello Jeff,

Apologies for the delay in chipping in on this thread but we've had a public 
holiday over here.

I raised this very issue a few weeks ago over on the mv-dev list and got some 
extremely helpful replies (as ever).

My suggestion would be that you find and download MAMP.  This is a local dev 
setup for mac.  You get a new install of MySQL, Apache and PHP.  The PHP which 
comes with MAMP seems to be a more complete install.

One thing to note is that the MAMP install listens on non-standard ports.  
While this can be changed, I probably wouldn't recommend it.

Cheers

Dónal
On 5 Jun 2010, at 00:37, Jeff Berwick wrote:

> Okay,
> 
> This is a good start.  Typing in the IP address of my computer with a 
> ~username at the end gets me to a test page.  The page is held in the sites 
> folder of your user folder.
> 
> Anybody know anything about whether PHP, Perl and MySQL can be installed and 
> configured to work with the apparently preloaded Apache server?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
> On 2010-06-04, at 7:23 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
> 
>> You should probably find that in sharing in System preferences.  There is a 
>> table with a list of services that you can check or uncheck to turn on or 
>> off.  One of them is web sharing or something like that.  Check the checkbox 
>> to turn that on.  After that, Apache will run on port 80, so you probably 
>> should be able to type http://localhost into Safari.  I'm not sure what 
>> directory you put your HTML files in.
>> 
>> On Jun 4, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I am relatively new to the Mac so am not sure if/how I can do this.
>>> 
>>> On my old Windows machine, I was able to set up a local copy of Apache, 
>>> PHP, PERL and MySQL so I could create my websites locally and test them 
>>> before going live.
>>> 
>>> I assume this can be done on the Mac since it is built on the Unix 
>>> platform.  Can anybody assist me with how I would go about setting these 
>>> programs up and accessing my localhost?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
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Re: Programmers Editor

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Hi Brian,
What issues are you having with the port to Iphone OS?  I'm also wondering 
whether it might be better to hold off on a port now till after the release of 
the SDK for version 4.0?  That's going to change our coding landscape rather 
considerably methinks.  However, I'd love to get involved and help with any 
kind of port to the iPHone os.  I like RenaissanceX rather a lot.  Well done on 
a great effort.

Dónal
On 7 Jun 2010, at 05:47, Bryan Smart wrote:

> I haven't figured out a way to start it, but VoiceOver seems to be included 
> with the simulator.
> 
> Won't do you much good, though. No way to design your user interface for the 
> iPhone, unless you create all of the user interface objects by hand in code. 
> Interface Builder, where you'd normally make the interface, isn't accessible, 
> and my RenaissanceX project can only make desktop interfaces right now. I'd 
> hoped to port it to iPhone OS fairly quick, but that's taking more work than 
> I'd thought. Apple doesn't exactly use Cocoa on the iPhone. Cocoa Touch might 
> sound like a similar API, but it is quite different.
> 
> Bryan
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Ivey Jr.
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 2:49 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Programmers Editor
> 
> how about the simulator? is it accessible yet?  I really want to make an 
> iphone web ap for my business, but the last time i checked, the software for 
> creating those wasn't accessible yet.  any news? thanks, Max On Jun 4, 2010, 
> at 12:24 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:
> 
>> Xcode. It's completely accessible.
>> 
>> Bryan
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> ] On Behalf Of Doug Lawlor
>> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 1:22 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Programmers Editor
>> 
>> Hi Bryan,
>> What editor do you use for writing code on the Mac?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>> On 2010-06-04, at 2:27 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:
>> 
>>> No. This isn't possible.
>>> 
>>> You can save and load VoiceOver settings, though. Look in the File 
>>> menu of the VoiceOver utility. I have different settings that I use 
>>> when programming, for example.
>>> 
>>> Bryan
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alfredo
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:43 PM
>>> To: MacVisionaries
>>> Subject: Can you set application specific settings with Voice Over
>>> 
>>> Hello all, I was reading the online Voice over tutorial from apple 
>>> and and kinda of questioning some aspects of the screen reader, with 
>>> the focus being excessive keyboard combinations as well as having to 
>>> arrow several times to reach some palces.  But hey, it is a learning 
>>> experience, and I like challenges.  My question is about the 
>>> verbosity settings.  Can you apply verbosity settings on a per 
>>> application basis?  For example I want to have my TextEdit 
>>> application have full attribute verbose, while I do not care if there 
>>> is bold or italize text on an article I am reading online.  I 
>>> currently just have the same verbose level in all my applications, 
>>> although I know they can be customize for each application.
>>> 
>>> PS
>>> I have a brand new copy, unopened, latest version of the ViewPlus, 
>>> AudioGraphing Calculatorsoftware , for sale, its 300 US dollars at 
>>> their website.  I am selling mine for 250.  If anyone is interested 
>>> email me.  I live in san Diego, California, USA.
>>> Alfredo
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Re: WIFI question

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Excuse my ignorance, but is AT&T the only carrier to support the iPhone in the 
US?  We have two that carry it here.
On 4 Jun 2010, at 18:10, Kimberly thurman wrote:

>> From what I've read, I think it's just because AT&T's infrastructure just 
>> can't handle it yet.  I hear rumblings that it is already stressed at times 
>> with all the IPhones and IPads competing for data on the network.  
> On Jun 4, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Carolyn,
>> 
>> I'm afraid I've no idea.  However, a very quick and superficial google would 
>> suggest that you're right and they don't as yet support it.  The cynic in me 
>> would say that the reason for this is that they haven't figured a way to 
>> charge for it! *smile*
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 17:28, Carolyn wrote:
>> 
>>> Donal:
>>> Thanks for this.  An at&t rep told me Apple had no such technology, Tisk 
>>> tisk to him:)  Think I'll go educate him next time I grace that mall.:)
>>> Thanks and take care.
>>> Carolyn
>>> P.s.:  It suddenly strikes me that I'm not sure at&t supports tethering 
>>> yet.  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Dónal Fitzpatrick 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 9:55 AM
>>> Subject: Re: WIFI question
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Carolyn,
>>> 
>>> It is indeed possible to use the iPhone to connect to the net.  This is 
>>> known as tethering.  In essence, turn on tethering on the iPhone, and then 
>>> create either a USB or bluetooth connection between your laptop and the 
>>> iPhone.
>>> 
>>> I should say here that I don't know how US cell-phone plans work.  Over 
>>> here using the iPhone as a modem can cost extra, so you might want to check 
>>> with your cell-phone provider to check the costs involved.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Dónal
>>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 16:37, Carolyn wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi guys:
>>>> I'm going to be visiting my dad, who has no internet.  I know I can 
>>>> retrieve mail with the iPhone, but find it pretty difficult to navigate 
>>>> with my hearing, and with just not being very good at typing on it.
>>>> My question then:  Is there any way to turn the iPhone into an access 
>>>> point so I could use it to get my MacBook Pro on the net?
>>>> TIA
>>>> Carolyn
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Re: WIFI question

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Carolyn,

I'm afraid I've no idea.  However, a very quick and superficial google would 
suggest that you're right and they don't as yet support it.  The cynic in me 
would say that the reason for this is that they haven't figured a way to charge 
for it! *smile*

Dónal
On 4 Jun 2010, at 17:28, Carolyn wrote:

> Donal:
> Thanks for this.  An at&t rep told me Apple had no such technology, Tisk tisk 
> to him:)  Think I'll go educate him next time I grace that mall.:)
> Thanks and take care.
> Carolyn
> P.s.:  It suddenly strikes me that I'm not sure at&t supports tethering yet.  
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Dónal Fitzpatrick 
>  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 9:55 AM
>  Subject: Re: WIFI question
> 
> 
>  Hi Carolyn,
> 
>  It is indeed possible to use the iPhone to connect to the net.  This is 
> known as tethering.  In essence, turn on tethering on the iPhone, and then 
> create either a USB or bluetooth connection between your laptop and the 
> iPhone.
> 
>  I should say here that I don't know how US cell-phone plans work.  Over here 
> using the iPhone as a modem can cost extra, so you might want to check with 
> your cell-phone provider to check the costs involved.
> 
>  Cheers
> 
>  Dónal
>  On 4 Jun 2010, at 16:37, Carolyn wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys:
>> I'm going to be visiting my dad, who has no internet.  I know I can retrieve 
>> mail with the iPhone, but find it pretty difficult to navigate with my 
>> hearing, and with just not being very good at typing on it.
>> My question then:  Is there any way to turn the iPhone into an access point 
>> so I could use it to get my MacBook Pro on the net?
>> TIA
>> Carolyn
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Re: WIFI question

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Carolyn,

It is indeed possible to use the iPhone to connect to the net.  This is known 
as tethering.  In essence, turn on tethering on the iPhone, and then create 
either a USB or bluetooth connection between your laptop and the iPhone.

I should say here that I don't know how US cell-phone plans work.  Over here 
using the iPhone as a modem can cost extra, so you might want to check with 
your cell-phone provider to check the costs involved.

Cheers

Dónal
On 4 Jun 2010, at 16:37, Carolyn wrote:

> Hi guys:
> I'm going to be visiting my dad, who has no internet.  I know I can retrieve 
> mail with the iPhone, but find it pretty difficult to navigate with my 
> hearing, and with just not being very good at typing on it.
> My question then:  Is there any way to turn the iPhone into an access point 
> so I could use it to get my MacBook Pro on the net?
> TIA
> Carolyn
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Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Kawal,

You might like to give this sequence of commands a shot:

1.  turn on the keyboard lock using VO-semicolon.
2.  place your thumb and index finger on the trackpad.
3.  flick your index finger to the right.  Hopefully you will hear that the 
trackpad has been turned on.
4.  Turn keyboard lock off using vo-semicolon.

I've been playing with a few gestures on the trackpad to try to determine the 
algorithms apple are using to get the appropriate feedback.  In the user 
manual, they recommend a clockwise flick to get the trackpad commender started, 
however experimentation has shown that placing the fingers on the trackpad as I 
described above, and flicking one to the right seems to do the trick.

Apologies if it doesn't work, but hope it helps.

Dónal
On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:18, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Erick,
> 
> I did go into Utilities and find that option but no where to turn it on.
> however I'll try it again.  Thanks so much for your help.  I always
> read your posts with interest on all the lists you participate in.
> 
> Kawal.
> On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 09:10 -0400, "erik burggraaf"
>  wrote:
>> Hi,  I suggest you press vo f8 for the voiceover utility.
>> Go down to commanders or press c.
>> Tab to trackpad and press space bar.
>> Tab to enable trackpad commander and press space bar to check.
>> 
>> This is quite the long way of doing it, but if you aren't used to the
>> trackpad on your macbook, now you have a point of reference.  IE, you
>> know for sure that the trackpad is on.  
>> 
>> Then I suggest you right away turn on the keyboard help control option k,
>> and practice the gestures a little bit.
>> 
>> You can also flick around this commanders window without doing any damage
>> as far as I know. 
>> 
>> It takes longer, but I really think this is the most reliable way to get
>> up and running with trackpad.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> User support consultant,
>> Website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> Toll-free: 888-255-5194
>> 
>> On 2010-06-04, at 8:55 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> I've tried that several times and at times Voice Over gets muted so have
>>> to unmute it.  Sometimes I don't let my fingers touch the screen because
>>> I end up in a different menu or sometimes I might be looking for the
>>> track pad as I can't see where it is so am busy feeling for it and my
>>> fingers have touched something and I've activated a different menu!  I
>>> even had a friend try to help me and I could not do it whereas when I
>>> had the Ipod before sending it back I did it perfectly!  So what next?
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 02:12 -0700, "Sarah Alawami" 
>>> wrote:
 rotate your fingers in a clockwise motion like a nob snd at th same time
 hold the vo keys down.
 
 Take care.
 
 S
 On Jun 4, 2010, at 1:22 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
> Hi Mark.
> 
> I still can't turn my Track Pad on and not for the case of trying!  If
> anyone has a technique that works to turn the darn thing on, please pass
> it along.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 17:36 -0700, "M. Taylor"  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> On my MacBookPro, I've been using various areas of the TrackPad to bring
>> up
>> various applications; for example, 2-finger double-tapping the bottom of
>> the
>> TrackPad to launch the Dock or tapping the upper part of the TrackPad to
>> bring up the Apple Menu.  
>> 
>> Saves a lot of time.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Get to know yourself as you get to know me on The Secret Life of Mark
>> Marcus
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>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
>> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:43 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> and anothe rkeystroke you can use is control f2. thats the one I've been
>> using.
>> 
>> That is the key stroke to take you to the Apple menu. Control-F3 takes
>> you
>> to the Dock.
>> Control-F8 takes you to the Status menus.
>> Command-Shift-D takes you to the Desktop.
>> 
>> All these shortcuts are documented against their corresponding menu
>> items.
>> 
>> VoiceOver does not "Teach" us to do anything in particular. It simply
>> gives
>> us options we can use. The specific VO commands are useful when we work
>> with
>> the VO keys locked, which was a common thing to do before Snow Leopard
>> and
>> Quick Nav.
>> 
>> The standard Mac shortcuts are second nature to me because I've been
>> using a
>> Mac for 14 years, and many shortcuts go back a long way. Others are very
>> recent, such as Command-Shift-O to go to your Documents 

RE: hard drives in macbook pro.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Really Brian, is it that bad?

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Smart
Sent: 03 June 2010 16:48
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: hard drives in macbook pro.

However, taking the MacBook apart to put in the drive will be a frustrating
experience. You've never seen screws that tiny, or that strip that easily. I
upgraded my memory to 8GB, and will never again open my MacBook if I can
help it.

Bryan

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: hard drives in macbook pro.

It will be a normal sata ii 5400 rpm drive. There not designed exclusively
for the mbp's, so you can go onto a pc components website and buy a normal &
cheep 7200 drive.

On 03/06/2010, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> Hi kimberly,
>
> look under apple in the menu bar.  Go into about this Mac.
>
> hth
> On Jun 2, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
>
>> I do know the ram is DDR3, but I would be interested in knowing what 
>> type hard drive is in the MBP as well.  Also, where do I go to find 
>> out my system information, i.e. hard drive capacity, amount of ram, 
>> etc.  TIA Kim On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:13 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>
>>> Evening all,
>>>
>>> I'm thinking of upgrading both the memory and the HD in my MBP.  
>>> Anyone know what type of drive is inside these things?  I want to 
>>> get a bigger 7200 RPM disk and replace the one it came with.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Dónal
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RE: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

One thing I'd like to see in a future incarnation of voiceover is the
ability to remap the key sequences needed to perform a certain task.

For example, I don't use the vo-H command much, however I do use
vo-command-H (in safari) rather more frequently.  So ideally I'd like to
swap these two around.  This would mean that to perform a task I do on a
regular basis, I'd only have to hold down three keys rather than 4, as is
the case at the moment.

Of course this might be possible at the minute, and I've just missed the
options to let me do it.

Cheers

Dónal

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
Sent: 03 June 2010 12:53
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac

Oh I do that but it is eritating that you cannot use the shft key when the
lock is on.
On Jun 3, 2010, at 4:14 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Actually, in some windows like the Voiceover Utility dialog, you can
actually just hit VO-FN-left/right arrow. If you want to use the Shift key
in all windows to make sure you get to the top, though, just use your right
hand to hold the shift key like I'm doing.
> 
> I feel mostly  safe using the shift key along with the combination
mentioned above, but sometimes I'll use the other one and switch between
them. I haven't noticed much of a difference, except sometimes I hit the
close button when using the shift key and sometimes I don't.
> 
> Regards,
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> On Jun 2, 2010, at 11:44 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Lol,
>> 
>> Well put.
>> On Jun 2, 2010, at 5:05 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Mark,  The elegant way to do this is to check the box to rap the
voiceover curser.  Then when you reach the bottom or end of a dialog box,
pressing vo right arrow will take you right back to the top.  Similarly, if
you are at the top, pressing vo left arrow will take you to the bottom.
>>> 
>>> The inelegant way to do this is by pressing... are you ready for this?
>>> Control, option, shift, fn, left arrow to go to the top,
>>> and Control, option, shift, fn, right arrow to go to the bottom.
>>> See I knew you werent' ready.  Don't try to finess this, just mash down
the whole bottom left of your keyboard pretty much and giver  with the arrow
keys.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> User support consultant,
>>> Website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>> Toll-free: 888-255-5194
>>> 
>>> On 2010-06-02, at 4:43 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Everyone,  
 
 OK, so I'm interacting with elements in the VoiceOver Dialog Box.
 Eventually, my VoiceOver cursor lands on the Help button at the lower
right
 of the Dialog Box.  
 
 Until now, I have to continuously press VoiceOver Left-Arrow until I
reach a
 place, like a Tab, where I can stop interacting with the current area.
That
 is to say, I cannot stop interacting when I first land on the Help
button.  
 
 So, my question: 
 
 Is there a way to stop interacting or immediately jump back up to the
 beginning of a Dialog Box with VoiceOver?  
 
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RE: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi,

Couldn't agree more with this Erik.  One can look at a screenreader in terms
of usability metrics, and this, I'm afraid, is one area where VO falls down.
Mind you, there are so many areas where it is superb that I'm probably being
particularly picky. *smile*

Cheers

Dónal

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: 03 June 2010 12:44
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac

Well, actually, there are a huge array of mac operating system keys that
have been replaced by voiceover keys, or at least supplanted.  Most of these
don't require the control key, so you are not limitted to the left hand.  I
quite honestly wish voiceover would drop a lot of it's baggage and teach mac
OS more through it's help system.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
User support consultant,
Website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
Toll-free: 888-255-5194

On 2010-06-02, at 7:33 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

> I've also found my self playing finger twister with the left hand.  If I
could find any faults with VO it would be that there are often two many keys
included in keyboard combinations, but I suppose there's no help for it.
LOL!!!
> On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Carolyn wrote:
> 
>> Erik:
>> Thanks for this, even though it was in response to Mark.  I've wondered
about but been afraid to mess with Cursor wrapping.
>> I've also often wished I had 6 or 8 fingers on my left hand!:)
>> TC
>> 
>> Carolyn
>> - Original Message -
>> From: erik burggraaf
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 3:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac
>> 
>> Hi Mark,  The elegant way to do this is to check the box to rap the
voiceover curser.  Then when you reach the bottom or end of a dialog box,
pressing vo right arrow will take you right back to the top.  Similarly, if
you are at the top, pressing vo left arrow will take you to the bottom.
>> 
>> The inelegant way to do this is by pressing... are you ready for this?
>> Control, option, shift, fn, left arrow to go to the top,
>> and Control, option, shift, fn, right arrow to go to the bottom.
>> See I knew you werent' ready.  Don't try to finess this, just mash down
the whole bottom left of your keyboard pretty much and giver  with the arrow
keys.
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> User support consultant,
>> Website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> Toll-free: 888-255-5194
>> 
>> On 2010-06-02, at 4:43 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,  
>>> 
>>> OK, so I'm interacting with elements in the VoiceOver Dialog Box.
>>> Eventually, my VoiceOver cursor lands on the Help button at the lower
right
>>> of the Dialog Box.  
>>> 
>>> Until now, I have to continuously press VoiceOver Left-Arrow until I
reach a
>>> place, like a Tab, where I can stop interacting with the current area.
That
>>> is to say, I cannot stop interacting when I first land on the Help
button.  
>>> 
>>> So, my question: 
>>> 
>>> Is there a way to stop interacting or immediately jump back up to the
>>> beginning of a Dialog Box with VoiceOver?  
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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hard drives in macbook pro.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Evening all,

I'm thinking of upgrading both the memory and the HD in my MBP.  Anyone know 
what type of drive is inside these things?  I want to get a bigger 7200 RPM 
disk and replace the one it came with.

Cheers

Dónal

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Re: SMS via Skype

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Nick,

The cost is indeed to be found in one of the unlabelled images.  It's the one 
which can be found by doing a Vo-right arrow from the edit box.

Cheers

Dónal
On 25 May 2010, at 23:51, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> So I thought I'd finally ask someone.
> 
> I'm waiting for my iPhone to be unlocked because, as it happens, the carrier 
> I chose to go with is actually the only one which locks their iPhones in my 
> entire country. So, as I'm waiting for them to unlock as my membership 
> transferred today and as I can't use it before then, I'm having to send 
> SMS-messages through Skype, which is essentially fine. Of course, I can't 
> receive them, but that's not too much of a big deal as I'm assuming people 
> will call me on several numbers, anyway.
> 
> Now, here's the one million dollar question.
> 
> Can you look at the rates? I know in the SMS window for a particular contact, 
> at least on the Windows side, you would see something similar to this: "120 
> characters. This SMS will cost 0.5.38 DK KR." Of course, this would change 
> depending on who you are sending to. I can't find it anywhere, and I miss it.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Oh, and there is a good reason I'm asking here. On either side of the edit 
> box where you enter the message are two images. I wonder if these contain the 
> information, and as such VOiceOver just can't see it at all. I'm hoping there 
> is a way to discover this information, rather than having to brows the rates 
> every time I text a contact from a different country.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
> Facebook
> Twitter
> Skype: Kvalme
> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
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RE: Windows media streams on a mac

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Oh well, I guess I’ll just have to find the audio stream from another
source.

 

Thanks for the help Chris.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: 26 May 2010 17:07
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Windows media streams on a mac

 

The site has put their content into a proprietary encrypted container made
by Microsoft and only Microsoft can provide the decoder, which they have
chosen not to do for the Mac. Seems like an intentional incapacitating of a
competitor's platform.

CB

Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: 

Thanks Chris, the free stuff works fine with Flip, however it's the
materials with the DRM component that don't' seem to.
 
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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: 26 May 2010 16:52
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Windows media streams on a mac
 
You can probably do it with Flip4Mac which allows adds the WMV codec to 
QuickTime. Only limitation is that it can't play any encrypted (DRMed) 
content since Microsoft has not released how this works. I tried it on 
the Free Video for your page and it seemed to work. I had a lot of 
Safari Busy messages but eventually found a Content Frame. I had to 
simulate a mouseclick and then I could hit space to start and stop the 
video.
 
CB
 
Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
  

Greetings all,
 
I have been subscribed to a website for many years which offers content
using some kind of windows-media based streaming.  Of course, this is
inextricably linked to Windows, and (as we all know) Microsoft haven't


done
  

anything on Mac for years with their media player.  When I try to log onto
the site, I can't do so as I get an error "cannot find Windows Media


player,
  

or plug-in has not been detected".  (I'm paraphrasing)
 
Is there any way to play such content on a Mac?  I'd like to find out


before
  

cancelling the subscription.  It’s a site (www.mu.tv) that provides live
audio commentary from all Manchester United games.
 
Thanks for any insights,
 
Dónal
 
  


 
  

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RE: re-windows media streams

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Chad,

Most files play fine, it is just the specific content on this site that is
the problem.

Cheers

Dónal

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chad baker
Sent: 26 May 2010 16:43
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: re-windows media streams

Hi donald have you download windows media quicktime components?
It plays windows media files just fine.
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RE: Windows media streams on a mac

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Thanks Chris, the free stuff works fine with Flip, however it's the
materials with the DRM component that don't' seem to.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: 26 May 2010 16:52
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Windows media streams on a mac

You can probably do it with Flip4Mac which allows adds the WMV codec to 
QuickTime. Only limitation is that it can't play any encrypted (DRMed) 
content since Microsoft has not released how this works. I tried it on 
the Free Video for your page and it seemed to work. I had a lot of 
Safari Busy messages but eventually found a Content Frame. I had to 
simulate a mouseclick and then I could hit space to start and stop the 
video.

CB

Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> Greetings all,
>
> I have been subscribed to a website for many years which offers content
> using some kind of windows-media based streaming.  Of course, this is
> inextricably linked to Windows, and (as we all know) Microsoft haven't
done
> anything on Mac for years with their media player.  When I try to log onto
> the site, I can't do so as I get an error "cannot find Windows Media
player,
> or plug-in has not been detected".  (I'm paraphrasing)
>
> Is there any way to play such content on a Mac?  I'd like to find out
before
> cancelling the subscription.  It’s a site (www.mu.tv) that provides live
> audio commentary from all Manchester United games.
>
> Thanks for any insights,
>
> Dónal
>
>   

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Windows media streams on a mac

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Greetings all,

I have been subscribed to a website for many years which offers content
using some kind of windows-media based streaming.  Of course, this is
inextricably linked to Windows, and (as we all know) Microsoft haven't done
anything on Mac for years with their media player.  When I try to log onto
the site, I can't do so as I get an error "cannot find Windows Media player,
or plug-in has not been detected".  (I'm paraphrasing)

Is there any way to play such content on a Mac?  I'd like to find out before
cancelling the subscription.  It’s a site (www.mu.tv) that provides live
audio commentary from all Manchester United games.

Thanks for any insights,

Dónal

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RE: VO and Microsoft Word Docs

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Thank you as always Anne, this is excellent.

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RE: VO and Microsoft Word Docs

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Anne, (et al)  Just a quick question.  I've imported some documents recently
that pages couldn't handle.  It seems that where there are tables in a word
doc, VO doesn't read them.  Has anyone else encountered this?  Apart from
this anomaly though accessing word files is fine.

Dónal

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: 25 May 2010 07:11
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VO and Microsoft Word Docs

Hello Cathy,

I work on doc files all the time using Pages, which is part of iWork09. I
find that Pages keeps almost all the formatting intact.

TextEdit will also open doc files, so it all depends on what you want to do
with them. For just reading, TextEdit is the simplest and cheapest solution
since it comes with your Mac.

Cheers,

Anne


On May 25, 2010, at 6:20 AM, Catherine Kudlick wrote:

> Hi All,
> I'm new to the group and to Macs, and find that VO doesn't work at all in
> doc files.  Is there something I'm missing?  Is there a work-around?  What
> do folks do in such a doc-based world?
> 
> Thanks,
> Cathy K.
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Re: labeling of frames and controls

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Oh you would be amazed at how many websites there are (particularly in Academic 
institutions) that are still relying on frames.  In fact, I taught a course on 
introductory web design last year, and many of the students wanted to use them. 
 When I pointed out that they'd fail if they did, there was a rapid shift in 
design focus to CSS, xhtml, and other nice things. 

D
On 21 May 2010, at 18:29, Chris Blouch wrote:

> Does anyone use frames anymore except to serve ads? Really kind of an 
> old-school way to assemble page content in light of server-side includes and 
> client-side Ajax or JSON.
> 
> CB
> 
> Matthew Campbell wrote:
>> Hello everyone.
>> I have a question for you all that I'm asking on behalf of the web team for 
>> my college.
>> I'm wondering why frames according to a windows screen reader are labeled 
>> but when I visit the same page on a mac, the frame is unlabelled?
>> Thanks for any answers or hypotheses.
>> Matthew Campbell
>> Georgian College web team.
>> 
>> 
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(ignore my last mail) was RE: Instructions on adding BrailleNote as Braille Display

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Oops thousand apologies guys, see what happens when you go back to a windows
machine? 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allison Manzino
Sent: 17 May 2010 14:13
To: Mac Visionaries
Subject: Instructions on adding BrailleNote as Braille Display

Hi all,

Since I have successfully just paired my BrailleNote with my Macbook I
decided to include step by step instructions for those who might be having
the same trouble. It's finiky at best, but it does work after several
attempts. If you are having trouble, you are welcome to E-mail me offlist
and we can chat either by messenger or via Skype. As someone who loves to
have the flexibility of the Braille display, I can't picture living without
it and would love to assist anyone who is having difficulty. Here are the
steps I take.

1. On the BrailleNote press O Chord.
2. Press C which will bring up the connectivity menu.
3. Navigate to Bluetooth and hit enter.
4. If Bluetooth is off press Y to turn it on
5. After turning Bluetooth on, go down to where it says search for devices.
6. Press Y for yes.
7. Once the BrailleNote finds the Macbook, press enter.
8. Navigate to Active sync and press enter.
9. If the BrailleNote is paired with the Macbook press R to remove the
pairing. You may have to do this several times until the Braillenote reports
that the pairing has been removed.
10. Once this has occured, pair the Macbook with the BrailleNote again by
hitting active sync under Macbook in list of Bluetooth devices.
11. A dialog will be displayed and ask if you would like to pair the
BrailleNote with the Mac. Hit Y for Yes. It will ask you for an
authentication code. Type number sign  in regular braille not nemeth
code. Then hit enter.
12. The Macbook will display a pairing request you type  in to the box
that comes up and hit Pair. The Braillenote will display paired.
13. Then from the main menu of the BrailleNote hit T which will put it in to
terminal mode. Hit B for Bluetooth port if it's not the default port. It
will say Braille terminal. Bluetooth. Hit enter again and the Macbook should
begin displaying.

I hope my instructions are clear and not confusing. I need a second cup of
coffee. I hope that helps, I wish the BrailleNote stayed connected to the
Macbook all the time without having to pair every single time. Wonder if
it's because I have an older BrailleNote Mpower and not the Apex. Well, take
care and thank you to Erik and all for assisting me with this problem. Your
patience are greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,
Allison

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RE: Instructions on adding BrailleNote as Braille Display

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

HI there,

Many thanks for the file.  Unfortunately, I can't track what each of the
columns actually are.  I'd like to give feedback on:

1.  the music-based project (yours I believe?)
2.  Lorraine Clarke's one;
3.  Anything else.

Cheers,

Donal

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allison Manzino
Sent: 17 May 2010 14:13
To: Mac Visionaries
Subject: Instructions on adding BrailleNote as Braille Display

Hi all,

Since I have successfully just paired my BrailleNote with my Macbook I
decided to include step by step instructions for those who might be having
the same trouble. It's finiky at best, but it does work after several
attempts. If you are having trouble, you are welcome to E-mail me offlist
and we can chat either by messenger or via Skype. As someone who loves to
have the flexibility of the Braille display, I can't picture living without
it and would love to assist anyone who is having difficulty. Here are the
steps I take.

1. On the BrailleNote press O Chord.
2. Press C which will bring up the connectivity menu.
3. Navigate to Bluetooth and hit enter.
4. If Bluetooth is off press Y to turn it on
5. After turning Bluetooth on, go down to where it says search for devices.
6. Press Y for yes.
7. Once the BrailleNote finds the Macbook, press enter.
8. Navigate to Active sync and press enter.
9. If the BrailleNote is paired with the Macbook press R to remove the
pairing. You may have to do this several times until the Braillenote reports
that the pairing has been removed.
10. Once this has occured, pair the Macbook with the BrailleNote again by
hitting active sync under Macbook in list of Bluetooth devices.
11. A dialog will be displayed and ask if you would like to pair the
BrailleNote with the Mac. Hit Y for Yes. It will ask you for an
authentication code. Type number sign  in regular braille not nemeth
code. Then hit enter.
12. The Macbook will display a pairing request you type  in to the box
that comes up and hit Pair. The Braillenote will display paired.
13. Then from the main menu of the BrailleNote hit T which will put it in to
terminal mode. Hit B for Bluetooth port if it's not the default port. It
will say Braille terminal. Bluetooth. Hit enter again and the Macbook should
begin displaying.

I hope my instructions are clear and not confusing. I need a second cup of
coffee. I hope that helps, I wish the BrailleNote stayed connected to the
Macbook all the time without having to pair every single time. Wonder if
it's because I have an older BrailleNote Mpower and not the Apex. Well, take
care and thank you to Erik and all for assisting me with this problem. Your
patience are greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,
Allison

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RE: BrailleNote as Braille Display fails

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Alison,

Which version of the keysoft horribleness are you running?  If it's an old
version this might have something to do with it.
Cheers,

Dónal

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
Sent: 17 May 2010 13:59
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BrailleNote as Braille Display fails

You might be able to but i'm unsure about that. If you have one try it and
see if it works.

Take care.

S
On May 17, 2010, at 5:52 AM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi Erik and All,
> 
> I hope you are doing well. I'm sorry to repost this, but the BrailleNote
refused to connect to the Mac this morning. I place it in Terminal Mode and
it says Network request unsupported. THen when I attempt to search for
Bluetooth devices, it just doesn't recognize the mac. I'm confused. Does
anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Can I hook it up with a USB to Serail
converter? Thank you for any assistance you can provide.
> 
> Musically,
> Allison
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Re: bookshare

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Jim,

I'm not sure that one can actually do this via email, though I am certainly 
open to correction here.

On a different topic, I'd be most interested in your sonification research.  
We're doing some of that kind of thing over here in Dublin.  If you would like 
to contact me off list I'd love to hear about the work you're engaged in.
Cheers,

Dónal
On 12 May 2010, at 22:59, Jim Stevenson wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> How do I subscribe to bookshare?
> 
> How do I get a list of its available books?
> 
> I want to do this by email, insted of a browser.
> 
> I am especially interested in any advanced math books.
> 
> Also a book called
> crosstime engineer.
> 
> --
> 
> Thanks much again as always.
> Jim
> 
> 
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> 
> Jim Stevenson Ph.D
> experimental psychologist, conducting sonification research,
> & certified master Ericksonian clinical hypnotherapist.
> j...@eos.arc.nasa.gov 
> (650) 604-5720 w  
> or leave message any time.
> 
> ham call
> wb6yoy
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Re: adding a new group addressbook

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Yes indeed Esther with the mouse there is no problem.  Incidentally, this isn't 
specific to my machine.  I kidnapped my Fiancee's computer when she wasn't 
looking and could replicate the same issues on that machine.  BOth are running 
10.6.3, so your notion that it's a version specific issue could be plausible.  

I'm putting together a bug report with details of how to replicate the issues 
for apple.  With the mods permission, I might post it here (though it could be 
a tad long) for comment and feedback from others.  I would be more than happy 
for others to either contribute comments, or indeed add their own bugs for this 
application (and details of how to replicate them) which we could then pass on 
to Apple.

Thoughts welcome.

Cheers

Dónal
On 12 May 2010, at 20:02, Esther wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I think this must be specific to the Snow Leopard version you're using.  What 
> happens if you click with an actual mouse or trackpad click on the entry with 
> VoiceOver turned off?  Can you just type in a new name?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Again Ester unfortunately not.  When I press tab, focus changes to the table 
>> containing the list of cards.  Oddly enough, when I use shift-tab to return 
>> to the groups table, the bug outlined in my previous message arises.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 12 May 2010, at 19:47, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Dónal,
>>> 
>>> A shorter variation to try to change the Group Name in Address Book:
>>> After you go to the group you want to rename (i.e., you've interacted with 
>>> the group table and used VO-Down arrow or VO-Up arrow), just press tab, 
>>> then type in the new name.
>>> 
>>> Do not interact with the group entry after you've interacted with the group 
>>> name table -- there's some sort of icon that is in front of the name.  I 
>>> was reminded of a way that Jacob Schmude outlined as a way to input/change 
>>> entries that we otherwise couldn't alter, such as when I wanted to redefine 
>>> the shortcut for switching language keyboards by typing in a new 
>>> definition.  He just pressed the tab key and typed in the entry.  I found 
>>> that it worked, and tried it here.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
>>> On 12 May 2010, at 08:35, Esther wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Dónal,
>>>> 
>>>> You need to use the delete key (without holding down the Control and 
>>>> Option keys) just after you've created the new group, while it is 
>>>> highlighted, and before you move around.  If you try to go to the group 
>>>> and interact, and then press the delete key, your Mac will indeed try to 
>>>> delete the group entry.
>>>> 
>>>> If you want to change the name of a group you've created, try the 
>>>> following:
>>>> 1. Go to the group you want to edit and interact (e.g., if you were 
>>>> starting from scratch, you would naviagate to the groups table of Address 
>>>> Book and interact, then VO down arrow to the entry of interest.
>>>> 2. VO-Command-F5 to move the mouse cursor to the VoiceOver cursor
>>>> 3. Click with VO-Shift-Space on the group name entry.
>>>> 4. Press the delete key and type in the new group name.
>>>> 
>>>> Let us know if this works for you.  And, that was a nice write-up of a 
>>>> work around in Marie's blog.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Esther
>>>> 
>>>> On 12 May 2010, at 08:14, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Ah interesting :)  OK what happens in this one (for me) is this:
>>>>> 1.  I go to the group I want to edit;
>>>>> 2.  I interact with it.  Vo says "interacting with edit text"
>>>>> 3 I press delete, at which point it tries to delete the group rather than 
>>>>> the text.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I tried the workaround of:
>>>>> 1.  finding the group;
>>>>> 2. turning off VO;
>>>>> 3.  pressing "enter" and then deleting.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However this also didn't work.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll keep playing with it, but it might be nice if a few others could 
>>>>> take a look so we can isolate a set of circumstances in which this 
>>>>> happens.  Might not be a bug, just an unexpected "feature".
>>>

Re: adding a new group addressbook

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Again Ester unfortunately not.  When I press tab, focus changes to the table 
containing the list of cards.  Oddly enough, when I use shift-tab to return to 
the groups table, the bug outlined in my previous message arises.

Cheers

Dónal
On 12 May 2010, at 19:47, Esther wrote:

> Hi Dónal,
> 
> A shorter variation to try to change the Group Name in Address Book:
> After you go to the group you want to rename (i.e., you've interacted with 
> the group table and used VO-Down arrow or VO-Up arrow), just press tab, then 
> type in the new name.
> 
> Do not interact with the group entry after you've interacted with the group 
> name table -- there's some sort of icon that is in front of the name.  I was 
> reminded of a way that Jacob Schmude outlined as a way to input/change 
> entries that we otherwise couldn't alter, such as when I wanted to redefine 
> the shortcut for switching language keyboards by typing in a new definition.  
> He just pressed the tab key and typed in the entry.  I found that it worked, 
> and tried it here.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On 12 May 2010, at 08:35, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi Dónal,
>> 
>> You need to use the delete key (without holding down the Control and Option 
>> keys) just after you've created the new group, while it is highlighted, and 
>> before you move around.  If you try to go to the group and interact, and 
>> then press the delete key, your Mac will indeed try to delete the group 
>> entry.
>> 
>> If you want to change the name of a group you've created, try the following:
>> 1. Go to the group you want to edit and interact (e.g., if you were starting 
>> from scratch, you would naviagate to the groups table of Address Book and 
>> interact, then VO down arrow to the entry of interest.
>> 2. VO-Command-F5 to move the mouse cursor to the VoiceOver cursor
>> 3. Click with VO-Shift-Space on the group name entry.
>> 4. Press the delete key and type in the new group name.
>> 
>> Let us know if this works for you.  And, that was a nice write-up of a work 
>> around in Marie's blog.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On 12 May 2010, at 08:14, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> 
>>> Ah interesting :)  OK what happens in this one (for me) is this:
>>> 1.  I go to the group I want to edit;
>>> 2.  I interact with it.  Vo says "interacting with edit text"
>>> 3 I press delete, at which point it tries to delete the group rather than 
>>> the text.
>>> 
>>> I tried the workaround of:
>>> 1.  finding the group;
>>> 2. turning off VO;
>>> 3.  pressing "enter" and then deleting.
>>> 
>>> However this also didn't work.
>>> 
>>> I'll keep playing with it, but it might be nice if a few others could take 
>>> a look so we can isolate a set of circumstances in which this happens.  
>>> Might not be a bug, just an unexpected "feature".
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Dónal
>>> 
>>> On 12 May 2010, at 19:01, marie Howarth wrote:
>>> 
>>>> oh I hadn't experienced that. Maybe you might want to report it. :)
>>>> 
>>>> On 12 May 2010, at 18:24, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Nice workaround Marie Cheers !:)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I presume the other part of this bug, namely where pressing the delete 
>>>>> key delets the group rather than editing the name has also been reported 
>>>>> to Apple?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dónal
>>>>> On 12 May 2010, at 18:17, marie Howarth wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is a bug that's been reported to Apple,
>>>>>> OK, good news, there's a work around.
>>>>>> Check out this blog and I give instructions how to get around this 
>>>>>> problem in address book.
>>>>>> http://blindbabbles.wordpress.com/2010/03/25/address-book-a-quick-start/
>>>>>> Hope this helps you :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12 May 2010, at 17:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ok I'm having one of those days I'd rather forget, because I've done so 
>>>>>>> many daft things on my machine.  Can I blame the exams I've been 
>>>>>>> grading? 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Anyways, I'm trying to add a new grou

Re: adding a new group addressbook

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Esther,

Afraid this doesn't solve it.  I'd tried something similar, (however including 
the step of interacting first) but to no avail.

Another issue that just (inadvertently) came to light is the following:
1.  open Addressbook;
2.  simply press command-shift-n to create a new group.  NOte this should be 
tried from outside the groups table.
3.  now try navigating to the groups table and try to interact.  One can 
interact, however navigation (for me at least) isn't possible.
Afraid I have become rather curious about the Addressbook app now, so I'm 
trying to break it in different ways.  I need to get a life or something 

Cheers

Dónal
On 12 May 2010, at 19:35, Esther wrote:

> Hi Dónal,
> 
> You need to use the delete key (without holding down the Control and Option 
> keys) just after you've created the new group, while it is highlighted, and 
> before you move around.  If you try to go to the group and interact, and then 
> press the delete key, your Mac will indeed try to delete the group entry.
> 
> If you want to change the name of a group you've created, try the following:
> 1. Go to the group you want to edit and interact (e.g., if you were starting 
> from scratch, you would naviagate to the groups table of Address Book and 
> interact, then VO down arrow to the entry of interest.
> 2. VO-Command-F5 to move the mouse cursor to the VoiceOver cursor
> 3. Click with VO-Shift-Space on the group name entry.
> 4. Press the delete key and type in the new group name.
> 
> Let us know if this works for you.  And, that was a nice write-up of a work 
> around in Marie's blog.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On 12 May 2010, at 08:14, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Ah interesting :)  OK what happens in this one (for me) is this:
>> 1.  I go to the group I want to edit;
>> 2.  I interact with it.  Vo says "interacting with edit text"
>> 3 I press delete, at which point it tries to delete the group rather than 
>> the text.
>> 
>> I tried the workaround of:
>> 1.  finding the group;
>> 2. turning off VO;
>> 3.  pressing "enter" and then deleting.
>> 
>> However this also didn't work.
>> 
>> I'll keep playing with it, but it might be nice if a few others could take a 
>> look so we can isolate a set of circumstances in which this happens.  Might 
>> not be a bug, just an unexpected "feature".
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Dónal
>> 
>> On 12 May 2010, at 19:01, marie Howarth wrote:
>> 
>>> oh I hadn't experienced that. Maybe you might want to report it. :)
>>> 
>>> On 12 May 2010, at 18:24, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Nice workaround Marie Cheers !:)
>>>> 
>>>> I presume the other part of this bug, namely where pressing the delete key 
>>>> delets the group rather than editing the name has also been reported to 
>>>> Apple?
>>>> 
>>>> Dónal
>>>> On 12 May 2010, at 18:17, marie Howarth wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> This is a bug that's been reported to Apple,
>>>>> OK, good news, there's a work around.
>>>>> Check out this blog and I give instructions how to get around this 
>>>>> problem in address book.
>>>>> http://blindbabbles.wordpress.com/2010/03/25/address-book-a-quick-start/
>>>>> Hope this helps you :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12 May 2010, at 17:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ok I'm having one of those days I'd rather forget, because I've done so 
>>>>>> many daft things on my machine.  Can I blame the exams I've been 
>>>>>> grading? 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anyways, I'm trying to add a new group in adddressbook.  So I've done 
>>>>>> the following:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1.  gone to the popup menu, and selected "add new group".
>>>>>> 2.  tried to give it a name;
>>>>>> 3.  failed dismally.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The problem seems to be that I can't edit the group name.  
>>>>>> Interestingly, when I go back to the "groups" table and interact, VO 
>>>>>> seems to be getting confused.  It says it's highlighting row two, yet 
>>>>>> won't allow me to go to a different row.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Suggestions welcome...  I think I need more tea :-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dónal
>>>>>> 
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Re: adding a new group addressbook

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Ah interesting :)  OK what happens in this one (for me) is this:
1.  I go to the group I want to edit;
2.  I interact with it.  Vo says "interacting with edit text"
3 I press delete, at which point it tries to delete the group rather than the 
text.

I tried the workaround of:
1.  finding the group;
2. turning off VO;
3.  pressing "enter" and then deleting.

However this also didn't work.

I'll keep playing with it, but it might be nice if a few others could take a 
look so we can isolate a set of circumstances in which this happens.  Might not 
be a bug, just an unexpected "feature".

Cheers

Dónal

On 12 May 2010, at 19:01, marie Howarth wrote:

> oh I hadn't experienced that. Maybe you might want to report it. :)
> 
> On 12 May 2010, at 18:24, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Nice workaround Marie Cheers !:)
>> 
>> I presume the other part of this bug, namely where pressing the delete key 
>> delets the group rather than editing the name has also been reported to 
>> Apple?
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 12 May 2010, at 18:17, marie Howarth wrote:
>> 
>>> This is a bug that's been reported to Apple,
>>> OK, good news, there's a work around.
>>> Check out this blog and I give instructions how to get around this problem 
>>> in address book.
>>> http://blindbabbles.wordpress.com/2010/03/25/address-book-a-quick-start/
>>> Hope this helps you :)
>>> 
>>> On 12 May 2010, at 17:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Ok I'm having one of those days I'd rather forget, because I've done so 
>>>> many daft things on my machine.  Can I blame the exams I've been grading? 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Anyways, I'm trying to add a new group in adddressbook.  So I've done the 
>>>> following:
>>>> 
>>>> 1.  gone to the popup menu, and selected "add new group".
>>>> 2.  tried to give it a name;
>>>> 3.  failed dismally.
>>>> 
>>>> The problem seems to be that I can't edit the group name.  Interestingly, 
>>>> when I go back to the "groups" table and interact, VO seems to be getting 
>>>> confused.  It says it's highlighting row two, yet won't allow me to go to 
>>>> a different row.
>>>> 
>>>> Suggestions welcome...  I think I need more tea :-)
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> 
>>>> Dónal
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Re: Bookshare books and the Mac

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi there,

I've been using the Unarchiver.  This link might help:

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/system_disk_utilities/theunarchiver.html

Cheers

Dónal
On 12 May 2010, at 18:28, Richard Ring wrote:

> Hello:
> While on my lunch break, I downloaded a book from Bookshare using the Mac.  I 
> received a message say that decompression failed.  The reason is that 
> Bookshare files are password procted.  My question is, how do I enter the 
> password using the Mac?  There seems to be no control that will allow me to 
> do it.  
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Re: adding a new group addressbook

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Nice workaround Marie Cheers !:)

I presume the other part of this bug, namely where pressing the delete key 
delets the group rather than editing the name has also been reported to Apple?

Dónal
On 12 May 2010, at 18:17, marie Howarth wrote:

> This is a bug that's been reported to Apple,
> OK, good news, there's a work around.
> Check out this blog and I give instructions how to get around this problem in 
> address book.
> http://blindbabbles.wordpress.com/2010/03/25/address-book-a-quick-start/
> Hope this helps you :)
> 
> On 12 May 2010, at 17:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Ok I'm having one of those days I'd rather forget, because I've done so many 
>> daft things on my machine.  Can I blame the exams I've been grading? 
>> 
>> Anyways, I'm trying to add a new group in adddressbook.  So I've done the 
>> following:
>> 
>> 1.  gone to the popup menu, and selected "add new group".
>> 2.  tried to give it a name;
>> 3.  failed dismally.
>> 
>> The problem seems to be that I can't edit the group name.  Interestingly, 
>> when I go back to the "groups" table and interact, VO seems to be getting 
>> confused.  It says it's highlighting row two, yet won't allow me to go to a 
>> different row.
>> 
>> Suggestions welcome...  I think I need more tea :-)
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Dónal
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adding a new group addressbook

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Hi,

Ok I'm having one of those days I'd rather forget, because I've done so many 
daft things on my machine.  Can I blame the exams I've been grading? 

Anyways, I'm trying to add a new group in adddressbook.  So I've done the 
following:

1.  gone to the popup menu, and selected "add new group".
2.  tried to give it a name;
3.  failed dismally.

The problem seems to be that I can't edit the group name.  Interestingly, when 
I go back to the "groups" table and interact, VO seems to be getting confused.  
It says it's highlighting row two, yet won't allow me to go to a different row.

Suggestions welcome...  I think I need more tea :-)

Cheers

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Re: editing mood message on skype

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

:) skype's UI is nothing if not... erm quirky.  For example, I discovered 
recently that if you turn off cursor tracking while navigating in the table of 
contacts, you get rather more information than when it is enabled.  You can't 
read the contact status (as you said in a previous thread Nick it's a graphic) 
but  mood messages seem to be visible.

Cheers

Dónal
On 12 May 2010, at 11:46, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> It is a bit strange, yeah. Especially the fact you can't actually VO to the 
> item. Oh well, at least it's easy to work around that. :)
> 
> Glad you got it to work. :)
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> 
>> Cheers Nick that worked perfectly.  Odd that the menu item won't work though.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Dónal
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>> 
>>> Hi Dónal,
>>> 
>>> The easiest way to do this is to locate the "Edit Profile" button with 
>>> VoiceOver, then tab once. That should find the field. It does not have a 
>>> label.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> 
>>> On May 12, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>> 
>>>> HI all,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm having a problem editing my mood message on skype.  I go to the 
>>>> appropriate menu, click the requisite option but I'm not taken to an edit 
>>>> field to alter the message.  in fact, from what I can gather focus is 
>>>> simply returned to the point in the application where it was before I 
>>>> initiated the sequence of commands to alter the message.  Anyone else 
>>>> found this?  A sighted colleague can still edit the thing fine, however 
>>>> she didn't need to use the menus.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> 
>>>> Dónal
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Re: editing mood message on skype

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Cheers Nick that worked perfectly.  Odd that the menu item won't work though.

Thanks

Dónal
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> Hi Dónal,
> 
> The easiest way to do this is to locate the "Edit Profile" button with 
> VoiceOver, then tab once. That should find the field. It does not have a 
> label.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> 
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> 
>> HI all,
>> 
>> I'm having a problem editing my mood message on skype.  I go to the 
>> appropriate menu, click the requisite option but I'm not taken to an edit 
>> field to alter the message.  in fact, from what I can gather focus is simply 
>> returned to the point in the application where it was before I initiated the 
>> sequence of commands to alter the message.  Anyone else found this?  A 
>> sighted colleague can still edit the thing fine, however she didn't need to 
>> use the menus.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Dónal
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editing mood message on skype

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HI all,

I'm having a problem editing my mood message on skype.  I go to the appropriate 
menu, click the requisite option but I'm not taken to an edit field to alter 
the message.  in fact, from what I can gather focus is simply returned to the 
point in the application where it was before I initiated the sequence of 
commands to alter the message.  Anyone else found this?  A sighted colleague 
can still edit the thing fine, however she didn't need to use the menus.

Cheers

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Jacob Nielsen article on testing the iPad

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Hi all,

I don't know if many on this list will be familiar with the work of Jacob
Nielsen.  For those who don't know him, he's one of the foremost minds in
the field of interaction design.  Those who took (or are taking) computer
science at University may have encountered his work during courses in HCI or
User-Interaction design.  He is well-known for the famous "Nielsen's 10
heuristics" which play a major part in interface design.

Anyway he's done some testing on the iPad.  I don't have one myself, and
don't have a personal interest in getting one (though I may get one for my
lab to do some projects on), but I thought the link below might interest
some people on the list.

http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ipad.html

Enjoy,

Dónal

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RE: matlab

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Edward,

 

Matlab isn’t bad, though I haven’t played with it much.  I’ve asked our
technicians to get me a version for Mac, so I’ll respond within a few days.

 

Cheers,

 

Dónal

 

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Subject: matlab

 

Hello all, 

Wondering since matlab is written in coco , does that mean it should be
pretty accessible with vo?  Also anyone have other scientific and or
engineering packages that work well with vo?

Thanks 
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Re: resetting password when I forgot my main admin password?urgent:

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi there,

This depends on the version of OS X you are running.  This link should help you 
though:

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1274

I needed to do this for a friend about 6 months ago and kept the article handy.
Cheers 

Dónal
On 30 Apr 2010, at 01:05, hank smith wrote:

> hello I need info on how to reset my password fore installing applications 
> and fore all other stuff
> I forgot my admin password and I didn't set a hent question shame on me
> I don't want to format to fix this how can I reset my password fore my 
> account? I can't install apps or anything until I get this fixed
> thanks
> 
> Hank
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RE: Syncing a Braillenote mPower bt32 with a mac.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Never thought of the CF card.  I'm so used to not having one on my machine
that I forget about it 

Thanks much.

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Subject: Re: Syncing a Braillenote mPower bt32 with a mac.

Hi,
Just download your maps and using a card reader unzip the maps to your
compact flash card in a folder called maps.  Just a simple unzip/copy
paste within finder.

No PC required.



On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:04:00 +0100
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> Hi there,
> Well the subject says it all really.  For various reasons, I need to
travel
> this weekend and I'm taking my old BT32 out of mothballs.  However, oddly
> enough for the first time since I binned my PC, I need to sync some files
> (map data actually) with it.  Is there a way to do this using my mac?  
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dónal
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Syncing a Braillenote mPower bt32 with a mac.

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Hi there,
Well the subject says it all really.  For various reasons, I need to travel
this weekend and I'm taking my old BT32 out of mothballs.  However, oddly
enough for the first time since I binned my PC, I need to sync some files
(map data actually) with it.  Is there a way to do this using my mac?  

Cheers,

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Re: Using Numbers (was Re: the apple user?)

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Thanks Erik, and can Calc export to windows-compatible formats?  Even CSV would 
do fine.
On 22 Apr 2010, at 13:33, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Hi, calc does what you describe.  Suppose I have worked some hours for a 
> client and I am going in to update his information.   I push command F, type 
> the name, press enter, press escape, and I am on that client's name.  I can 
> then arrow over to his hours worked and update it with the new hours.  That 
> will update his hours remaining and calculate my receivables automatically, 
> because of the way I set up my sheet.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> APlus certified technician and user support consultant
> Call toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
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> 
> On 2010-04-21, at 11:43 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Hello Olivia,
>> 
>> Delighted, and very interested to discover you've managed to crack Numbers.  
>> It frustrates the hell out of me I have to say.  For example, when I used 
>> Excel, and I wanted to input a grade for a specific student, I could do the 
>> following:
>> 1. use ctrl+f (written like this in windows) to bring up a find dialog.
>> 2.  input the ID of the student,
>> 3.  press enter and then be taken directly to the cell containing this data. 
>>  I could then navigate across the row and input the required grades.
>> 
>> I haven't found a satisfactory way to do this in Numbers.  What I find is 
>> that when using the "find" built into numbers, I can search for the text, 
>> but can't go to that location and navigate across the row to input grades.
>> 
>> I also find numbers awkward when working across multiple tables (sheets to 
>> use the Excel parlance).  I find VO gets confused when navigating the layout 
>> area containing them.
>> 
>> I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts, and the thoughts of others on 
>> this matter,
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 16:01, olivia norman wrote:
>> 
>>> I use spreadsheets in numbers all the time for a statistics class I am 
>>> taking this semester.  It works very well, and is the best means of 
>>> information for charts, tables, etc.  I, too, constantly struggled with 
>>> spreadsheets and jaws, but with numbers, I find them easy to work with.  
>>> Numbers is part of the iWork suite.
>>> Olivia
>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower",  Steve Jobs
>>> 
>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:41 AM, marie Howarth wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'm with you Nick. 
>>>> 
>>>> I don't use spread sheets nor do I ever intend to use them but I do 
>>>> believe some people do use tables and with increasing releases I'm sure 
>>>> Apple will do more to improve accessibility.
>>>> 
>>>> I struggled with excel when I had to use jaws, and so can't imagine why 
>>>> there's such praise for the app and the screen reader. Maybe I'll never 
>>>> understand it.
>>>> 
>>>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 14:26, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm still a bit confused here. What do you guys want in spreadsheets, 
>>>>> exactly? I don't get it. I was never a big fan of them, so I wouldn't 
>>>>> really know. Why did I not used to be a fan of spreadsheets? I really 
>>>>> don't know. I guess I couldn't be bothered using Excel.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As for the rest of it, I love my Mac. The Mac is not a machine to "play" 
>>>>> with. It is an amazing and enjoyable, and very engaging experience. I 
>>>>> would say "immersive" but the fact that would be a 3D experience 
>>>>> surrounding the user would sound a bit weird. But that's what it feels 
>>>>> like. Even if I only perform the various tasks of writing documents, 
>>>>> e-mails and managing files, not to mention browsing the web, it always 
>>>>> feels new. I always enjoy doing it, as opposed to doing it on a Windows 
>>>>> machine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Nic
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>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>>>>> Facebook Profile
>>>>

Re: a rather odd bug (maybe)

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thanks Pete I will keep an eye on it to see what happens in the coming days.  
As I said, I suspect I just didn't click a button, or close a window or 
something daft.

Cheers

Dónal
On 22 Apr 2010, at 22:53, Pete Nalda wrote:

> Well for what it's worth, I also run a macbook pro, sometimes using VO, 
> mostly just using Zoom, but I've never seen the reserve power dialog come up 
> on mine when plugged in.
> 
> On Apr 22, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> this was the truly weird thing.  Cables were all connected perfectly.  Ah 
>> it's not important at all I was just curious to find out if anyone else had 
>> seen this.  
>> On 22 Apr 2010, at 22:36, Pete Nalda wrote:
>> 
>>> It almost sounds like you weren't plugged into an outlet on the other end.  
>>> It's the only thing I can think of.
>>> 
>>> On Apr 22, 2010, at 4:09 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>> 
>>>> HI all,
>>>> 
>>>> Just encountered something rather strange.  My macbook pro was running on 
>>>> AC current however VO kept telling me that I was running on reserve 
>>>> battery power.
>>>> 
>>>> Now the only thing I can assume is that at some point (obviously prior to 
>>>> plugging in) I had been running on reserve power and had not got rid of 
>>>> the window.  However, I couldn't find it anywhere.  Anyone seen this 
>>>> before?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers from a rather baffled,
>>>> 
>>>> Dónal
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Re: a rather odd bug (maybe)

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this was the truly weird thing.  Cables were all connected perfectly.  Ah it's 
not important at all I was just curious to find out if anyone else had seen 
this.  
On 22 Apr 2010, at 22:36, Pete Nalda wrote:

> It almost sounds like you weren't plugged into an outlet on the other end.  
> It's the only thing I can think of.
> 
> On Apr 22, 2010, at 4:09 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> HI all,
>> 
>> Just encountered something rather strange.  My macbook pro was running on AC 
>> current however VO kept telling me that I was running on reserve battery 
>> power.
>> 
>> Now the only thing I can assume is that at some point (obviously prior to 
>> plugging in) I had been running on reserve power and had not got rid of the 
>> window.  However, I couldn't find it anywhere.  Anyone seen this before?
>> 
>> Cheers from a rather baffled,
>> 
>> Dónal
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Re: the apple user?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

 Esther this is exactly the way I have been giving Keynote 
presentations.  Skim has been a lifesaver.  This was never more true than at 
CSUN a few weeks ago when one of my Ph.D. students had a presentation on a 
laptop that wouldn't work with their portable projector.  So we simply exported 
as PDF, put it on memory stick and used the reliable old Mac.  Skim is a super 
tool.
On 22 Apr 2010, at 22:30, Esther wrote:

> Hi Dónal,
> 
> In Keynote there is an Export option under the File Menu that will let you 
> save your presentations as PDF files, among the other formats.  If you use 
> this mode, you can give your presentations the same way you do for the PDF 
> files generated from LaTeX, I think.  This is especially true if you use the 
> presentation view mode options (Command-Option-P) of Skim, instead of using 
> Full Screen mode in Preview for displaying slides. People who use PowerPoint 
> on the Mac should also be able to export their presentations into a PDF 
> format that you can run as a presentation the same way.
> 
> Incidentally, there's a Keynote Remote app for the iPhone/iPod Touch that 
> lets you control presentations.  It's not quite ready for prime time with 
> VoiceOver use, though you can use it in a semi-clunky way by configuring it 
> in landscape mode, and then using the triple-click home to turn VoiceOver on 
> and off for each slide to navigate.  (Pretty painful, and not really 
> practical).  Also, it only announces the slide number as a number in the 
> sequence, and labels such as "Current Slide" and "Next Slide".  There hasn't 
> been much work on this app since it was released.  I wonder whether there 
> will be an update for the iPad iWork releases.  If you want to read up about 
> the "not-so-state-of-the-art" with the Keynote Remote app, it's described in 
> my archived post for Yuma about giving presentations from last Fall:
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg11212.html
> (Re: iphone trackpad pro)
> 
> Maybe someone should drop Apple accessibility a note about functions they 
> might like implemented.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On 22 Apr 2010, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Yep preparing presentations with Keynote is not bad at all.  I haven't quite 
>> figured out how to navigate each individual slide when full-screen mode is 
>> enabled.  Vo reads the entire contents of each slide, (which is ok) but if, 
>> for example, I want to navigate to a specific bullet point on a slide, I 
>> haven't as yet figured out a way to do so when I'm in full-screen mode.  I'm 
>> in the fortunate position though that most of my presentations are given 
>> using PDF files generated from LaTeX.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Dónal
>> On 22 Apr 2010, at 21:11, Olivia Norman wrote:
>> 
>>> Keynote works really well for me. I just finished creating my portion of a 
>>> powerpoint presentation for a group project using it.  If you'd like some 
>>> pointers with numbers, email me and I can try to help. :)
>>> Olivia
>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
>>> 
>>> On Apr 22, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Olivia,
>>>> 
>>>> That is really incredible your using Numbers for a statistics course. I am 
>>>> very impressed and I really need to find more time to work with Numbers 
>>>> and Pages myself. I wish I had more hours in a day, but I am going to try 
>>>> working with Keynote to modify an existing powerpoint file someone gave 
>>>> me. That should be quite an experience.
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:44 PM, olivia norman wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I am able to use numbers to enter data, do functions like sums, and read 
>>>>> spreadsheets.  I don't really know much about excel and jaws, but I'm not 
>>>>> willing to pay the $1000 to get jaws, when numbers works well.  I use it 
>>>>> for my personal budgett, as well as a statistics class I'm taking this 
>>>>> semester.  If office becomes accessible, I will certainly consider 
>>>>> purchasing that, because I feel that it would make it easier to use my 
>>>>> mac for employment purposes, but in the meantime I'm doing fine with 
>>>>> iWork 09.
>>>>> Olivia
>>>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower",  Steve Jobs
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 22, 2010, at 6:56 AM, peter Apgar wrote:
>>>>>

Re: a rather odd bug (maybe)

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Yep battery was charging (actually charged).  Never thought of the system 
dialog though, good tip.  I rebooted to get rid of it, but I was just curious.
On 22 Apr 2010, at 22:17, marie Howarth wrote:

> what did it say in your status bar? if it says it was charging try hitting 
> VO-F1 twice quickly to pull up your app chooser and see if your system 
> dialogue is open. If it is and the window is there, hit CMD-w to close it. To 
> check battery hit VO-M twice to pull up status bar and find battery, it 
> should tell you if you're charging and how much is left to charge or if 
> you're not, then how much battery time there is. Sorry if I've given you too 
> much instruction, trying to be thorough. :)
> hth
> 
> On 22 Apr 2010, at 22:09, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> HI all,
>> 
>> Just encountered something rather strange.  My macbook pro was running on AC 
>> current however VO kept telling me that I was running on reserve battery 
>> power.
>> 
>> Now the only thing I can assume is that at some point (obviously prior to 
>> plugging in) I had been running on reserve power and had not got rid of the 
>> window.  However, I couldn't find it anywhere.  Anyone seen this before?
>> 
>> Cheers from a rather baffled,
>> 
>> Dónal
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a rather odd bug (maybe)

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

HI all,

Just encountered something rather strange.  My macbook pro was running on AC 
current however VO kept telling me that I was running on reserve battery power.

Now the only thing I can assume is that at some point (obviously prior to 
plugging in) I had been running on reserve power and had not got rid of the 
window.  However, I couldn't find it anywhere.  Anyone seen this before?

Cheers from a rather baffled,

Dónal

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Re: the apple user?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Yep preparing presentations with Keynote is not bad at all.  I haven't quite 
figured out how to navigate each individual slide when full-screen mode is 
enabled.  Vo reads the entire contents of each slide, (which is ok) but if, for 
example, I want to navigate to a specific bullet point on a slide, I haven't as 
yet figured out a way to do so when I'm in full-screen mode.  I'm in the 
fortunate position though that most of my presentations are given using PDF 
files generated from LaTeX.

Cheers
Dónal
On 22 Apr 2010, at 21:11, Olivia Norman wrote:

> Keynote works really well for me. I just finished creating my portion of a 
> powerpoint presentation for a group project using it.  If you'd like some 
> pointers with numbers, email me and I can try to help. :)
> Olivia
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower" Steve Jobs
> 
> On Apr 22, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Olivia,
>> 
>> That is really incredible your using Numbers for a statistics course. I am 
>> very impressed and I really need to find more time to work with Numbers and 
>> Pages myself. I wish I had more hours in a day, but I am going to try 
>> working with Keynote to modify an existing powerpoint file someone gave me. 
>> That should be quite an experience.
>> 
>> On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:44 PM, olivia norman wrote:
>> 
>>> I am able to use numbers to enter data, do functions like sums, and read 
>>> spreadsheets.  I don't really know much about excel and jaws, but I'm not 
>>> willing to pay the $1000 to get jaws, when numbers works well.  I use it 
>>> for my personal budgett, as well as a statistics class I'm taking this 
>>> semester.  If office becomes accessible, I will certainly consider 
>>> purchasing that, because I feel that it would make it easier to use my mac 
>>> for employment purposes, but in the meantime I'm doing fine with iWork 09.
>>> Olivia
>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower",  Steve Jobs
>>> 
>>> On Apr 22, 2010, at 6:56 AM, peter Apgar wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I would have to agree.  Mac's spread sheath software doesn't hold a candle
>>>> to excel.  I have problems similar to ones previously listed in this thread
>>>> with searches.As for formulas I have had issues with complex reference
>>>> formulas.  I will also note that many of my problems with the Mac are a
>>>> result of not being able to spend enough time with the different programs.
>>>> My job requires complex tasks with excel and those are often transferable 
>>>> to
>>>> my personal life with budgeting payment calculations ect.  The largest
>>>> hurdle to using the Mac is weather or not you can incorporate it to your
>>>> employment.  If this is the case there is not a better system out there.  
>>>> If
>>>> your  required to operate windows  and many of the MS programs the
>>>> transition can be a killer.  Bring on MS office in Coco.  Sorry for the
>>>> rant.
>>>> 
>>>> Pete
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Roy
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:21 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: the apple user?
>>>> 
>>>> Buddy:
>>>> 
>>>> yes, I did try tables, and, yes, it will read the contents of a cell,
>>>> however, I had 1 heck of a time with it reading formulas, the type of 
>>>> column
>>>> I was in etc.  Also, I could find no easy way to have it read the row and
>>>> column at the same time.  yes, it's somewhat usable in a pinch.  However,
>>>> unfortunately, nothing like jaws and Excel.  I wish it was different, and,
>>>> it could be that I am not knowledgeable enough to get it going as well as I
>>>> should.  If you have suggestions, I am listening with vary open ears, 
>>>> grins!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 7:22 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Have you tried tables? 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Dan Roy wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I love my Mac and would never

Re: the apple user?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Karen,

Yes indeed documents can be successfully exported to formats which can be used 
by applications such as MS. Office running on windows.

Cheers

Dónal
On 21 Apr 2010, at 18:11, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> greetings,
> One thing I have not seen in this thread, likely because it is a given.  I 
> take it you can save your documents and spreadsheets in formats that can be 
> used by those still stuck in windows office programs?
> Karen
> 
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, olivia norman wrote:
> 
>> Very true.  The mac makes productivity a pleasure.
>> Olivia
>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm still a bit confused here. What do you guys want in spreadsheets, 
>>> exactly? I don't get it. I was never a big fan of them, so I wouldn't 
>>> really know. Why did I not used to be a fan of spreadsheets? I really don't 
>>> know. I guess I couldn't be bothered using Excel.
>>> 
>>> As for the rest of it, I love my Mac. The Mac is not a machine to "play" 
>>> with. It is an amazing and enjoyable, and very engaging experience. I would 
>>> say "immersive" but the fact that would be a 3D experience surrounding the 
>>> user would sound a bit weird. But that's what it feels like. Even if I only 
>>> perform the various tasks of writing documents, e-mails and managing files, 
>>> not to mention browsing the web, it always feels new. I always enjoy doing 
>>> it, as opposed to doing it on a Windows machine.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>>> Facebook Profile
>>> My Twitter
>>> 
>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Dan Roy wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I love my Mac and would never go back to using windows as my main machine. 
>>>>  However,the point about spreadsheets is, unfortunately, a good 1.  I am 
>>>> forced to use windows for spreadsheet work, for now anyway!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:38 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> good morning Denise,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would agree with the others who have replied to this thread stating 
>>>>> that the Mac can be used as a productivity tool.  I am a University 
>>>>> professor (in the American sense of that word rather than the Uk/Irish 
>>>>> meaning) which means I must use my mac to write papers, grade student 
>>>>> exams and to carry out other functions.  However, I have not totally 
>>>>> abandoned my Dell.  While the word processor in iWork 09 is accessible, I 
>>>>> don't like either the Numbers spreadsheet application or indeed the 
>>>>> access provided by VO.  It's just an opinion, and no doubt the zealots on 
>>>>> this list will vehemently disagree, but I still believe that the browsing 
>>>>> of spreadsheets using Jaws is unparallelled.  Vo lacks the kinds of 
>>>>> semantic access to this kind of data that Jaws/Excel provide.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would particularly agree with the comment which said "preview" is a 
>>>>> lovely PDF reader, however it has given me problems when used in 
>>>>> full-screen mode.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dónal
>>>>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 01:23, denise avant wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes. Particularly since I am a lawyer with the public defenders office. 
>>>>>> And
>>>>>> my primary role as an appellate and post-conviction attorney is to write
>>>>>> briefs, with case citations.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I knew about the fusion program, as I have spent time talking to others
>>>>>> about the program. I didn't know about the snap shot.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John J Herzog
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:14 PM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>

Using Numbers (was Re: the apple user?)

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hello Olivia,

Delighted, and very interested to discover you've managed to crack Numbers.  It 
frustrates the hell out of me I have to say.  For example, when I used Excel, 
and I wanted to input a grade for a specific student, I could do the following:
1. use ctrl+f (written like this in windows) to bring up a find dialog.
2.  input the ID of the student,
3.  press enter and then be taken directly to the cell containing this data.  I 
could then navigate across the row and input the required grades.

I haven't found a satisfactory way to do this in Numbers.  What I find is that 
when using the "find" built into numbers, I can search for the text, but can't 
go to that location and navigate across the row to input grades.

I also find numbers awkward when working across multiple tables (sheets to use 
the Excel parlance).  I find VO gets confused when navigating the layout area 
containing them.

I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts, and the thoughts of others on 
this matter,

Cheers

Dónal
On 21 Apr 2010, at 16:01, olivia norman wrote:

> I use spreadsheets in numbers all the time for a statistics class I am taking 
> this semester.  It works very well, and is the best means of information for 
> charts, tables, etc.  I, too, constantly struggled with spreadsheets and 
> jaws, but with numbers, I find them easy to work with.  Numbers is part of 
> the iWork suite.
> Olivia
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower",  Steve Jobs
> 
> On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:41 AM, marie Howarth wrote:
> 
>> I'm with you Nick. 
>> 
>> I don't use spread sheets nor do I ever intend to use them but I do believe 
>> some people do use tables and with increasing releases I'm sure Apple will 
>> do more to improve accessibility.
>> 
>> I struggled with excel when I had to use jaws, and so can't imagine why 
>> there's such praise for the app and the screen reader. Maybe I'll never 
>> understand it.
>> 
>> On 21 Apr 2010, at 14:26, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm still a bit confused here. What do you guys want in spreadsheets, 
>>> exactly? I don't get it. I was never a big fan of them, so I wouldn't 
>>> really know. Why did I not used to be a fan of spreadsheets? I really don't 
>>> know. I guess I couldn't be bothered using Excel.
>>> 
>>> As for the rest of it, I love my Mac. The Mac is not a machine to "play" 
>>> with. It is an amazing and enjoyable, and very engaging experience. I would 
>>> say "immersive" but the fact that would be a 3D experience surrounding the 
>>> user would sound a bit weird. But that's what it feels like. Even if I only 
>>> perform the various tasks of writing documents, e-mails and managing files, 
>>> not to mention browsing the web, it always feels new. I always enjoy doing 
>>> it, as opposed to doing it on a Windows machine.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>>> Facebook Profile
>>> My Twitter
>>> 
>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Dan Roy wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I love my Mac and would never go back to using windows as my main machine. 
>>>>  However,the point about spreadsheets is, unfortunately, a good 1.  I am 
>>>> forced to use windows for spreadsheet work, for now anyway!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:38 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> good morning Denise,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would agree with the others who have replied to this thread stating 
>>>>> that the Mac can be used as a productivity tool.  I am a University 
>>>>> professor (in the American sense of that word rather than the Uk/Irish 
>>>>> meaning) which means I must use my mac to write papers, grade student 
>>>>> exams and to carry out other functions.  However, I have not totally 
>>>>> abandoned my Dell.  While the word processor in iWork 09 is accessible, I 
>>>>> don't like either the Numbers spreadsheet application or indeed the 
>>>>> access provided by VO.  It's just an opinion, and no doubt the zealots on 
>>>>> this list will vehemently disagree, but I still believe that the browsing 
>>>>> of spreadsheets using Jaws is unparallelled.  Vo lacks the kinds of 
>>

Re: the apple user?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

good morning Denise,

I would agree with the others who have replied to this thread stating that the 
Mac can be used as a productivity tool.  I am a University professor (in the 
American sense of that word rather than the Uk/Irish meaning) which means I 
must use my mac to write papers, grade student exams and to carry out other 
functions.  However, I have not totally abandoned my Dell.  While the word 
processor in iWork 09 is accessible, I don't like either the Numbers 
spreadsheet application or indeed the access provided by VO.  It's just an 
opinion, and no doubt the zealots on this list will vehemently disagree, but I 
still believe that the browsing of spreadsheets using Jaws is unparallelled.  
Vo lacks the kinds of semantic access to this kind of data that Jaws/Excel 
provide.  

I would particularly agree with the comment which said "preview" is a lovely 
PDF reader, however it has given me problems when used in full-screen mode.

Cheers

Dónal
On 21 Apr 2010, at 01:23, denise avant wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Yes. Particularly since I am a lawyer with the public defenders office. And
> my primary role as an appellate and post-conviction attorney is to write
> briefs, with case citations.
> 
> I knew about the fusion program, as I have spent time talking to others
> about the program. I didn't know about the snap shot.
> 
> So thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John J Herzog
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:14 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: the apple user?
> 
> 
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> As a macbook user, who has to write substantial papers for law school, and
> who has used his computer at a summer internship with Pepsico, I feel I can
> helpfully answer your questions. 
> 
> Forgive the length of this email. 
> 
> First, the idea that macs are only play toys is complete and utter nonsense.
> On my mac, I do use the apps like Itunes and Ichat, but I use serious apps
> as well. Iwork is quite accessible, as is text edit, allowing you to do
> extensive formatting of documents. Also, the preview application on the mac
> is one of the best PDF readers I have ever seen. The text is readable with
> voiceover, and there are few, if any crashes. What other screen readers can
> you say that about? 
> 
> 
> 
> Next, I will address your concern about microsoft office applications not
> being accessible. It is true that they do not work with voiceover. However,
> for about seventy dollars, you can pick up a program called VMware fusion.
> Fusion allows you to install windows and run it at the same time as your
> mac. This means that you can use whatever screen reader you like for windows
> and run office without a hitch. 
> 
> There is one more upside to running fusion on mac. After you have configured
> windows just the way you want it, you can create what is known as a
> snapshot. The snapshot will restore your system to its exact configuration
> at the time you took it, meaning you will always have a fresh install of
> windows, office, and your screen reader a click away. It's awesome, because
> it does a complete and utter system restore when windows decides to go south
> on you. For a blind person, I actually think a mac with fusion is better
> than a standard windows PC for this reason. Note that a fusion snapshot
> literally restores all files and settings to the way they were when you took
> it. It is much more extensive than using the built in windows system restore
> utility. It has saved my skin a number of times, and I will give you a
> perfect example. 
> 
> At the beginning of law school, I found it necessary to purchase a scanner
> with a document feeder. Previously, I had a different scanner that I was
> using with kurzweil 1000. Now, when I installed the twain drivers for the
> new scanner, after trying to unsuccessfully remove the old drivers, I found
> myself in a situation where neither set worked. If I had a standard windows
> machine, I was facing the real possibility of having to reinstall windows to
> get either unit to work reliably. Either that, or it was having to spend
> hours and hours messing with system dll files, and we all know what happens
> after that. 
> 
> So, instead, I just restored a snapshot I made of my XP machine prior to
> having installed either Kurzweil or the scanner software. I then installed
> both on what was essentially a fresh copy of windows, and all was smooth
> sailing from there. It saved me from endless headaches, plus the burden of
> having to get a sighted person to help install the screen reader again, and
> the time that would have been wasted in such a pursuit. 
> 
> I hope this helps answer your questions. 
> 
> John 
> 
> 
> 
> P.S. If you go to www.blindcooltech.com, you can find some excellent demos
> of the macintosh by Mike Arigo. He even shows how fusion and voiceover work,
> and he runs window eyes on the XP side of things. 
> 
> 
> 
> Hope th

RE: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

  Should I mention the "Really Not Interested in Blind"
interpretation of their acronym?  Oops I just have, sorry...

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth
Sent: 20 April 2010 21:46
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

Sadly, I don't think that was the point. Knowing the organisation, they
probably don't even know that happens with macs as they are quite quiet when
it comes to anything that is not strictly "blind specific".

On 20 Apr 2010, at 21:39, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Nick while I agree with you entirely, I think the point they were trying
to
> get across is this.  When one turns on any kind of mac desktop or laptop,
if
> no interaction takes place for a specific time VO kicks in.  I think that
> this might be the kind of thing they wanted to happen with the iPad.
> 
> Of course I could be entirely wrong, and to be honest this doesn't make
any
> sense, but my feeling is that this is the point the article was trying to
> make.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dónal
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
> Sent: 20 April 2010 21:20
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm a bit confused here.
> 
> "It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it
> has to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have been
a
> real bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box.  Unfortunately,
this
> was not quite the case."
> 
> These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird
> definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make it
> too confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on by
> default. And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is a
> product not geared "specifically" towards blind people. That's the only
> thing I found kind of odd, but otherwise, pretty nice.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
> Skype: Kvalme
> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
> AIM: cincinster
> yahoo Messenger: cin368
> Facebook Profile
> My Twitter
> 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
> 
>> I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't
> think they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the
> accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put
> users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible out of
> the box that rNIB promotes readily?
>> I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or disagree
> with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions.
>> 
>> On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part,
> this article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives
> of the product which is good. 
>>> The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they
> made to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is
not
> that hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and requires all
> of two seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty good. 
>>> 
>>> John 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>> Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will
> be writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is
for
> you all to read.
>>>> 
>>>> It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the
> blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but
> will read on text edit and such on the mac.
>>>> thanks
>>>> 
>
http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_
> news_reports.aspx
>>>> 
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>>> 

RE: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi,

Nick while I agree with you entirely, I think the point they were trying to
get across is this.  When one turns on any kind of mac desktop or laptop, if
no interaction takes place for a specific time VO kicks in.  I think that
this might be the kind of thing they wanted to happen with the iPad.

Of course I could be entirely wrong, and to be honest this doesn't make any
sense, but my feeling is that this is the point the article was trying to
make.

Cheers,

Dónal
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
Sent: 20 April 2010 21:20
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

Hi,

I'm a bit confused here.

"It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it
has to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have been a
real bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box.  Unfortunately, this
was not quite the case."

These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird
definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make it
too confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on by
default. And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is a
product not geared "specifically" towards blind people. That's the only
thing I found kind of odd, but otherwise, pretty nice.

Regards,
Nic
Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
Skype: Kvalme
MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
AIM: cincinster
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Facebook Profile
My Twitter

On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

> I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't
think they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the
accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put
users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible out of
the box that rNIB promotes readily?
> I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or disagree
with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions.
> 
> On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part,
this article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives
of the product which is good. 
>> The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they
made to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is not
that hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and requires all
of two seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty good. 
>> 
>> John 
>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi guys,
>>> Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will
be writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for
you all to read.
>>> 
>>> It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the
blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but
will read on text edit and such on the mac.
>>> thanks
>>>
http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_
news_reports.aspx
>>> 
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viewing plain-text email using apple mail

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi,

I think I must be missing something, but is there a way to adjust Mail to 
ensure that messages are displayed in plain-text rather than HTML using the 
graphical UI?  I've done this using terminal and defaults, but I'm curious 
whether I've missed something.

Cheers

Dónal

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RE: Non-US people buying a Mac in the US: Warning.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Ah no Nick purchasing over there is not out of the question.  I have to say
I've been using my US-purchased machine since January with no problems.
However, I can envisage a situation where I'm on a network which I don't
control and where I can't change the broadcast channel.  Raising it is
probably me just being picky but I'd prefer if there was some kind of
setting I could adjust to change the locale of the card or something. 

Cheers

Dónal
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
Sent: 15 April 2010 14:14
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Non-US people buying a Mac in the US: Warning.

Hi,

Man, I was thinking of doing the same thing. The exchange rate is excellent,
and we pay a fortune just to get the Macbooks. Not the Pro ones, but just
the regular ones. I guess that plan is out of the question.

Regards,
Nic
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On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:20 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I intended to post this months ago and forgot.  On a trip to the 
> States back in January I decided to take advantage of the excellent 
> exchange rate and buy a 13" MBP.  I saved a fortune I assure you.
> 
> However, on returning home I discovered something I wasn't previously 
> aware of.  The wireless card in the US models is actually configured 
> differently from those sold in Europe.  The reason is this.  FCC 
> regulations in the States means that wireless routers only broadcast 
> on channels 1-11.  In Europe, we can broadcast on channels 1-13.  So, 
> wireless cards on Mac machines purchased in the US are only set up to
operate on channels 1-11.
> All of my routers were configured to broadcast on channel 13, so my 
> nice shiny new machine purchased in the US didn't see any of my routers.
> 
> It was a very simple fix to adjust the channels downwards, and all is 
> now fine.  However if you go to, say a public WIFI area, or are using 
> your machine on a network where you can't control the channel on which 
> the wireless signal is broadcast, it might, just might, be a problem 
> for you to purchase your machine in the US.  As an aside, for anyone 
> travelling to Europe (or Japan) with a US machine, if you can't pick 
> up a wireless signal that others can, this could be a reason.
> 
> This may, and probably will, affect only a few people but I pass it on 
> for what it's worth.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Dónal
> 
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RE: Non-US people buying a Mac in the US: Warning.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Marie,

It's not a problem going from Europe to the US, the problem occurs when
travelling the other way.  The reason is that the range of channels which,
by law, we're allowed to broadcast on is greater in Europe.  So for example,
if you have a router broadcasting on channel 13, a US Mac with a US wireless
card would not pick it up because it is only configured (again by law) to
receive channels 1-11. 

For the hackers among you, there is a fix involving the creation of a
bootable usb-based Linux distro, booting your Mac using this, and using
various tools to rewrite the PROM on the wireless card.  All seemed like too
much work to me to be honest so I just changed the configuration on my
router 

Cheers

Dónal

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth
Sent: 15 April 2010 12:28
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Non-US people buying a Mac in the US: Warning.

That's interesting. When my mac came to the US with me, I had no issues of
this. my mac was set up on my friend's network in her home. Hmm, very
interesting.

On 15 Apr 2010, at 12:20, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I intended to post this months ago and forgot.  On a trip to the 
> States back in January I decided to take advantage of the excellent 
> exchange rate and buy a 13" MBP.  I saved a fortune I assure you.
> 
> However, on returning home I discovered something I wasn't previously 
> aware of.  The wireless card in the US models is actually configured 
> differently from those sold in Europe.  The reason is this.  FCC 
> regulations in the States means that wireless routers only broadcast 
> on channels 1-11.  In Europe, we can broadcast on channels 1-13.  So, 
> wireless cards on Mac machines purchased in the US are only set up to
operate on channels 1-11.
> All of my routers were configured to broadcast on channel 13, so my 
> nice shiny new machine purchased in the US didn't see any of my routers.
> 
> It was a very simple fix to adjust the channels downwards, and all is 
> now fine.  However if you go to, say a public WIFI area, or are using 
> your machine on a network where you can't control the channel on which 
> the wireless signal is broadcast, it might, just might, be a problem 
> for you to purchase your machine in the US.  As an aside, for anyone 
> travelling to Europe (or Japan) with a US machine, if you can't pick 
> up a wireless signal that others can, this could be a reason.
> 
> This may, and probably will, affect only a few people but I pass it on 
> for what it's worth.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Dónal
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Non-US people buying a Mac in the US: Warning.

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi all,

I intended to post this months ago and forgot.  On a trip to the States back
in January I decided to take advantage of the excellent exchange rate and
buy a 13" MBP.  I saved a fortune I assure you.

However, on returning home I discovered something I wasn't previously aware
of.  The wireless card in the US models is actually configured differently
from those sold in Europe.  The reason is this.  FCC regulations in the
States means that wireless routers only broadcast on channels 1-11.  In
Europe, we can broadcast on channels 1-13.  So, wireless cards on Mac
machines purchased in the US are only set up to operate on channels 1-11.
All of my routers were configured to broadcast on channel 13, so my nice
shiny new machine purchased in the US didn't see any of my routers.

It was a very simple fix to adjust the channels downwards, and all is now
fine.  However if you go to, say a public WIFI area, or are using your
machine on a network where you can't control the channel on which the
wireless signal is broadcast, it might, just might, be a problem for you to
purchase your machine in the US.  As an aside, for anyone travelling to
Europe (or Japan) with a US machine, if you can't pick up a wireless signal
that others can, this could be a reason.

This may, and probably will, affect only a few people but I pass it on for
what it's worth.

Cheers

Dónal

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RE: new member

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Very interesting that RNIB are offering those training days.  I don't think
the NCBI (Irish equivalent) do.  Referring back to a previous note on this
thread, you're quite correct that the guys at the Applestore in Manchester
are superb.  I'm over there rather a lot for religious (sorry soccer!)
reasons and I pop in there pretty much every trip to play with the toys and
look at the accessories I shouldn't buy but would love to have.  On each
occasion I've encountered people who knew the assistive products on macs and
iPhones.  Ah, wouldn't it be nice to have a local Apple store 
 
Cheers
 
Dónal

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth
Sent: 15 April 2010 12:03
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member


I've just done a little scouting around. And I was wrong. RNIB actually have
offered training days for agencies, people with a VI and parents of children
who are have VI children. They also list the IPhone on their accessible
phones list. I guess the information has not filtered across to their
organisation who carries out the support. 
So I guess they acknowledge the fact but don't shout about it. 

On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:46, Rob Lambert wrote:


Very valid point, Ricardo. I agree whole heartedly. 


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Ricardo Walker 
wrote:


Hi, 

I think it has to start with agencies for the blind and the educational
system.  As an adult it's easy enough to just get up and go to an apple
store, or have the money to pay for 1 on 1 training at said apple store.
But a 12 year old not so much.  I think younger people must be exposed to
other options.  It doesn't even have anything to do with how great Apple is.
It's just creating a market where people can obtain access to the technology
they need without selling their first born.  lol.  If anything, I think
Apple has started to make makers of adaptive technology squirm a bit.  It
becomes harder for them to justified the cost of their products. 

On Apr 15, 2010, at 6:30 AM, marie Howarth wrote:


I know in my local store, there are two designated VO trainers and other
staff constantly tell me they have played with VO on varying products. I
think where there is a demand for it it will happen. Apple is extremely
flexible. :) 

On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:27, Rob Lambert wrote:


I agree. Only time will tell, of course. Who better to train people on their
products than Apple themselves? I haven't used it, but I do like their
one-to-one service, and my hope is they've set aside some staff that have
been trained in VoiceOver for us. If not, they should. 


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM, marie Howarth 
wrote:


I think it all depends on the user and their attitude too. An individual may
hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user with a mac who is also
VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In manchester, I know due to
myself and a few other VI customers, most of the staff in the store are
highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I think its coming from
Apple in the near future.  

On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:


I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other countries,
but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.  Macs haven't
penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as windows-based Pcs.
Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers on the actual OS
itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The fact that the
trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform, and then
educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it pretty
certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and other
badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.
 
It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.
 
Dónal

  _  

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert
Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member


Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer  wrote:


For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.



Sign,
Joe Plummer ( JP )
joeplum...@tds.net


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member

Hello Denise,

I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
Office for Mac is not accessible.

As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read these
just fine.

I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows user.

Cheers,

Anne

On Apr 14, 

RE: new member

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Ricardo I am delighted to hear that's the case, however here I can't see it
happening for quite some time.  Only the "techie" people are using iPhones,
and even then it's happening by word-of-mouth.  Blind people using the Mac
is almost unheard of over here.
 
Bring on the revolution! 

  _  

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: 15 April 2010 11:02
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member


Hi Donald, 

I disagree.  I think economics will come in to play in the next 3 to 5
years.  The cost of getting a Mac will justify it being looked into as a
viable option for agencies.  There are more blind Mac users every day.  I
live in New York City and got my first experience to a Mac at a course in
intro to the Mac and voiceover as well as garageband I took in the summer of
2008 at the Lighthouse.  I assume such courses will catch on in the future.


On Apr 15, 2010, at 5:54 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:


I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other countries,
but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.  Macs haven't
penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as windows-based Pcs.
Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers on the actual OS
itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The fact that the
trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform, and then
educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it pretty
certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and other
badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.
 
It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.
 
Dónal

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert
Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member


Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer  wrote:


For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.



Sign,
Joe Plummer ( JP )
joeplum...@tds.net


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member

Hello Denise,

I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
Office for Mac is not accessible.

As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read these
just fine.

I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows user.

Cheers,

Anne

On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:

> hello,
> after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book
pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
> i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
> i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
> I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these purposes.
there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
apprciated.
>
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RE: new member

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

I'd very much doubt it Rob.  I don't know what it's like in other countries,
but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.  Macs haven't
penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as windows-based Pcs.
Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers on the actual OS
itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent.  The fact that the
trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform, and then
educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it pretty
certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and other
badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.
 
It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.
 
Dónal

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert
Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member


Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training offices? 


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer  wrote:


For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use them.



Sign,
Joe Plummer ( JP )
joeplum...@tds.net


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member

Hello Denise,

I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is iWork09, since MS
Office for Mac is not accessible.

As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages will read these
just fine.

I can't answer any of your other questions having never been a Windows user.

Cheers,

Anne

On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:

> hello,
> after having my iphone for six months now, i have really enjoyed my
experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into purchasing a mac book
pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one with 4 gig of
ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a possiblity.
> i will also have the word processor included. i will also have the
one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in chicago.
> i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done about your
other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or k1000 and hw
stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007 docs over to
apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
> I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony  machine for these purposes.
there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows on one side
and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these questions would be
apprciated.
>
>
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RE: multi select list boxes in safari

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Exactly the behaviour I encountered.  Thanks for testing it Nick I thought I
was doing something daft.  It's a very useful UI element to have on a page
(sometimes and carefully used ) 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
Sent: 12 April 2010 14:02
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: multi select list boxes in safari

Hi,

This is very interesting.

I created my own multi-select listbox, and got some funny results.

I opened it in Safari, and located it on my page. VoiceOver proceeded to
read all the options in the box without pausing, and did not seem to
register it as a listbox at all, but rather as a text element. I then hit
down arrow, and it would say the item name, then "clickable selected".

They seem to work, but you don't know when they are listboxes or not. Also,
yes, you can select more than one by using regular selection keys.

Regards,
Nic
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On Apr 12, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Hi Nick,
> 
> I actually came across it when I was using the back-end to a drupal 
> site I'm setting up.  Basically I'd set up a taxonomy to categorise 
> content, and rather than use free-tagging I used a list of 4 elements 
> from which the user could select any/all.
> 
> I've also seen something like this on a site  .myhome.ie but it 
> was a while ago so I'm not sure if they're using it at the moment.
> 
> Dónal
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
> Sent: 12 April 2010 07:30
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: multi select list boxes in safari
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'd like to see one of these with VoiceOver. If you have a site 
> containing such, please point out where it is so I can take a look. I 
> never encounter them.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> 
> On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:07 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> I've never come across them. how would one interact with them to 
>> select
> non contiguous items.
>> 
>> Take  care.
>> On Apr 11, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Donal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I've come across a webpage which has raised an interesting issue for me.
> Is there a way to use multi-select list boxes using VO and Safari?
>>> 
>>> For those who haven't come across these, they are a form of UI 
>>> element in
> which the user can select either a contiguous group of elements or 
> indeed a non-continuous series.  An example might be in a web site in 
> which you wished to look at apartments to rent, using one of these UI 
> elements you could select the areas you wished to look in.
>>> 
>>> I haven't encountered one of these form controls very much but 
>>> seeing it
> used has made me wonder how VO users have found them.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Dónal
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RE: multi select list boxes in safari

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Sarah,

Exactly the question I am trying to figure out.  I know how to do this on
Windows, but alas not using VO.

Dónal 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
Sent: 12 April 2010 04:07
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: multi select list boxes in safari

I've never come across them. how would one interact with them to select non
contiguous items.

Take  care.
On Apr 11, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Donal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I've come across a webpage which has raised an interesting issue for me.
Is there a way to use multi-select list boxes using VO and Safari?
> 
> For those who haven't come across these, they are a form of UI element in
which the user can select either a contiguous group of elements or indeed a
non-continuous series.  An example might be in a web site in which you
wished to look at apartments to rent, using one of these UI elements you
could select the areas you wished to look in.
> 
> I haven't encountered one of these form controls very much but seeing it
used has made me wonder how VO users have found them.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Dónal
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RE: multi select list boxes in safari

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Nick,

I actually came across it when I was using the back-end to a drupal site I'm
setting up.  Basically I'd set up a taxonomy to categorise content, and
rather than use free-tagging I used a list of 4 elements from which the user
could select any/all.

I've also seen something like this on a site  .myhome.ie but it was a
while ago so I'm not sure if they're using it at the moment.

Dónal 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
Sent: 12 April 2010 07:30
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Subject: Re: multi select list boxes in safari

Hi,

I'd like to see one of these with VoiceOver. If you have a site containing
such, please point out where it is so I can take a look. I never encounter
them.

Regards,
Nic
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On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:07 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> I've never come across them. how would one interact with them to select
non contiguous items.
> 
> Take  care.
> On Apr 11, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Donal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've come across a webpage which has raised an interesting issue for me.
Is there a way to use multi-select list boxes using VO and Safari?
>> 
>> For those who haven't come across these, they are a form of UI element in
which the user can select either a contiguous group of elements or indeed a
non-continuous series.  An example might be in a web site in which you
wished to look at apartments to rent, using one of these UI elements you
could select the areas you wished to look in.
>> 
>> I haven't encountered one of these form controls very much but seeing it
used has made me wonder how VO users have found them.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Dónal
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Re: To all software developers, anyone know of a good development software for the Mac?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Morning Jess,

When you say you are taking a class in software development and logic, what 
exactly will it be focussing on?  I teach some of this stuff so feel free to 
contact me off-list.

Dónal
On 11 Apr 2010, at 09:00, Jess wrote:

> I'm going to take an introduction to computer programming and logic this 
> summer, and the instructor knows I am blind and that I use voice over on the 
> Mac. HE also is a MAc user, and he will be teaching the class this summer. He 
> told me that the class would be using Alice, but I've looked at that program 
> and it doesn't appear to be all that useful. So, does anyone know of any 
> intro level software development programs that can help me get started to 
> learn to program that works with v o?
> Thanks.
> Jes
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RE: Mac OSX Update?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

HI James,

I cheated.  I nabbed someone with a good working set of eyes, and who knew
their way around a Mac 

Cheers

Dónal
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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James & Nash
Sent: 08 April 2010 16:07
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac OSX Update?

How did you acess Safe Mode then? Or did you do it remotely through SSH?

TC
James Lyn, Nash & Twinny
On 8 Apr 2010, at 15:11, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Hi James,
> 
> I'm afraid not.  My Braille display is at work and is attached to my PC.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Dónal
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James & Nash
> Sent: 08 April 2010 15:04
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OSX Update?
> 
> Hi Dónal,
> 
> Did you boot into SAfe Mode using a Braille Display? Just curious. 
> 
> Thanks
> TC
> James , Lyn, Nash & Twinny
> On 8 Apr 2010, at 14:33, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just a slight health warning.  I've experienced an issue on two 
>> different iMacs (both different vintage and spec) where after the 
>> update to 10.6.3 I got the "spinning ball of death".  I needed to 
>> switch
> off, reboot in "safe"
>> mode.  I then did a disk check, and repaired a few permissions.  
>> Oddly enough, it worked fine on my MBP.
>> 
>> Trawling through other Mac user forums it seems to be an issue that's 
>> quite prevalent.  Apple might just have dropped the ball slightly on 
>> this
> one.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Dónal
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
>> Sent: 08 April 2010 14:18
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac OSX Update?
>> 
>> The new MacOs version is 10.6.3.
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 8 apr 2010 kl. 15.12 skrev Chris Hofstader:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I had thought I had read on one of these lists that there was an OSX
>> update recently. Busy on GNU/Linux stuff and surrounded by the hoards 
>> of springtime visitors from most anywhere above the Mason/Dixon line, 
>> I didn't get to doing a software update until this morning.
>>> 
>>> From the dialogue doing the update, I only heard iTunes being 
>>> updated and
>> nothing else. Do I need to do something special to get the OSX update 
>> or did it happen without me noticing? What is the new version number 
>> so I can check it in the About box?
>>> 
>>> Sorry for being a pest,
>>> cdh
>>> ,
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RE: Mac OSX Update?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi James,

I'm afraid not.  My Braille display is at work and is attached to my PC.

Cheers

Dónal
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Sent: 08 April 2010 15:04
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac OSX Update?

Hi Dónal,

Did you boot into SAfe Mode using a Braille Display? Just curious. 

Thanks
TC
James , Lyn, Nash & Twinny
On 8 Apr 2010, at 14:33, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Just a slight health warning.  I've experienced an issue on two 
> different iMacs (both different vintage and spec) where after the 
> update to 10.6.3 I got the "spinning ball of death".  I needed to switch
off, reboot in "safe"
> mode.  I then did a disk check, and repaired a few permissions.  Oddly 
> enough, it worked fine on my MBP.
> 
> Trawling through other Mac user forums it seems to be an issue that's 
> quite prevalent.  Apple might just have dropped the ball slightly on this
one.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Dónal
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: 08 April 2010 14:18
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac OSX Update?
> 
> The new MacOs version is 10.6.3.
> /Krister
> 
> 8 apr 2010 kl. 15.12 skrev Chris Hofstader:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I had thought I had read on one of these lists that there was an OSX
> update recently. Busy on GNU/Linux stuff and surrounded by the hoards 
> of springtime visitors from most anywhere above the Mason/Dixon line, 
> I didn't get to doing a software update until this morning.
>> 
>> From the dialogue doing the update, I only heard iTunes being updated 
>> and
> nothing else. Do I need to do something special to get the OSX update 
> or did it happen without me noticing? What is the new version number 
> so I can check it in the About box?
>> 
>> Sorry for being a pest,
>> cdh
>> ,
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RE: Mac OSX Update?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi,

Just a slight health warning.  I've experienced an issue on two different
iMacs (both different vintage and spec) where after the update to 10.6.3 I
got the "spinning ball of death".  I needed to switch off, reboot in "safe"
mode.  I then did a disk check, and repaired a few permissions.  Oddly
enough, it worked fine on my MBP.  

Trawling through other Mac user forums it seems to be an issue that's quite
prevalent.  Apple might just have dropped the ball slightly on this one.

Cheers

Dónal 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
Sent: 08 April 2010 14:18
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac OSX Update?

The new MacOs version is 10.6.3.
/Krister

8 apr 2010 kl. 15.12 skrev Chris Hofstader:

> Hi,
> 
> I had thought I had read on one of these lists that there was an OSX
update recently. Busy on GNU/Linux stuff and surrounded by the hoards of
springtime visitors from most anywhere above the Mason/Dixon line, I didn't
get to doing a software update until this morning.
> 
> From the dialogue doing the update, I only heard iTunes being updated and
nothing else. Do I need to do something special to get the OSX update or did
it happen without me noticing? What is the new version number so I can check
it in the About box?
> 
> Sorry for being a pest,
> cdh
> ,
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Re: a question ablout amadeus pro

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi there,

The interface is a little misleading.  How I do this, and it may be a clumsy 
way, is to simply place the VO cursor on the text which tells you to either 
drag files, or click here.  Once there, press vo-shift-command-space to click 
the mouse, and a file open dialog should appear.

HTH

Dónal
On 3 Apr 2010, at 10:34, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> I will have to do some batch processing in amadeus pro, I have no
> problems to choose the right settings, it says I have to drag files or
> click here, but I can not find any button to klick, and I do not know
> how to drag files. How can I do that.
> 
> Have a nice day
> Annie.
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RE: questions about NVDA

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi,
 
Interesting mail Chris.  I am smiling here because not 5 minutes ago I was
walking back from lunch with a colleague and, having shown them the
accessible iPhone over lunch (I'm in a CS department and they're all geeks
so loved it) I commented that I reckoned the new trackpad and iPhone
interaction was the most innovative screen-access solution I'd seen.  Just a
question though.  Going way way back into the dark ages, do you remember the
OS warp screenreader designed by IBM in the early 90s?  This built on their
DOS access solution and was a very nice screenreader.  I was only a 1st year
undergrad at the time so I'm relatively clueless regarding this, but wasn't
OS2 designed with accessibility in mind?  I seem to remember IBM built the
necessary hooks into the OS.
 
Oh and sorry for dragging this off-topic, but I'm genuinely curious.
Cheers
 
Dónal

  _  

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hofstader
Sent: 15 December 2009 13:04
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Cc: A place where VoiceOver nerds can discuss almost anything they want.
Subject: Re: questions about NVDA


Microsoft didn't exactly "invent" accessibility standards but, rather, were
pulled into them kicking and screaming.  In their defense, though, they had
a whole bunch of issues ripping their accessibility efforts apart.  The AT
companies threatened anti-trust action if MS actually tried to make Narrator
into an even credible solution.  The AT companies through fits if MS changed
things "under the hood" in a manner that would break miserable techniques
like video hooking.  AT companies (except GW) fought MSAA and, when it came
out, they refused to use it as their proprietary heuristics would break.
Because MS really had no reasonable control of a screen reader for Windows,
they ended up with a landscape of solutions filled with nasty hacks,
kludgerous work-arounds and some dark magic that would often cause major
league instability. 

Apple has the good fortune of starting with a clean slate and a pretty good
accessibility API from which VO can safely derive data.  Solving the
stability problem inherent in most screen access tools on other platforms
is, in and of itself, a huge step forward.

Apple's use of semantic containers with which the user must interact is a
great idea (one that us research types have been discussing for a long
time).  Once a person has a decent level of knowledge about the program,
navigation takes far fewer keystrokes and, using the spatial relationships
between such containers provides valuable contextual information.  In fact,
I think more of these containers should be added - all of the controls in
iTunes from volume to search to LED, etc. could be put into a nice box,
given a nice name and let one hop right over it if they are just trying to
get to the sources or song lists.
   

The TrackPad Commander is probably the most important innovation in screen
access tools since JAWS 3.31 (1999()()and its first ever true virtual buffer
for the web.  Trackpad Commander provides context in a way we've never had
and once one has grown accustomed to using it, the increase in efficiency is
amazing.

VO still has a bunch of stuff to do but it's moving along faster than any
such program I've ever seen before.

cdh


On Dec 14, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:


If I recall correctly, Windows sort of stumbled into accessibility as far as
keyboard controls because early Windows machines didn't have a mouse. So
they had to work pretty hard at making sure every menu and widget was usable
from the keyboard, at least until the user got tired of it and went out to
but one of those fancy rodents. Apple shipped the whole package of OS,
computer and mouse. So they never had to deal with full keyboard control as
a barrier to entry for any substantial part of their user population. In
some ways they have the advantage of years of hindsight and a clean slate.
If you were to do it all over again from scratch, how would you make a GUI
accessible? Microsoft may have "invented accessibility standards" with their
keyboard controls and later with MSAA, but I think Apple did a lot of things
in a novel and better way. The whole idea of drilling down through a UI or
content by interacting is pretty intuitive if you're not trained to think
through everything linearly. Some of the limits of linear navigation can be
reduced with jumping around to landmarks or search, but linear just doesn't
scale well as things become more complex. Get me to the right building, then
the right floor, then hall, then room, then chair. It's a hierarchy of
information and if structured well I can ignore lots of distractions because
they fall outside my context of interest. Apple's navigation works in a
similar manner and once up to speed (both myself and the implementation),
will be easier to use with lower cognitive load.

CB

erik burggraaf wrote: 

I can't whole hartedly agree with you on this

RE: Is the navigation of items on the IPhone as efficient and speedy as everyone says?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Mark,

You need to do a double-tap, but on the second tap keep your finger on the
screen until you hear an audio tone.  The next gesture is, for want of a
better phrase, a "non-VO" gesture.

Dónal 

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[mailto:macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Gilland
Sent: 08 December 2009 17:28
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is the navigation of items on the IPhone as efficient and
speedy as everyone says?

Someone tell me this:

I hear there is a jesture to pass the next jesture through without it being
a voice over jesture.

like a passthrough thing

I red about this on josh delion cort's website.

Does anyone know what the jesture for pass through is?

Chris.


? ? t?? Te?? ? sa?.
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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Is the navigation of items on the IPhone as efficient and
speedy as everyone says?


> no if you have spacial awareness you be fine
>
> On 8 Dec 2009, at 16:44, Jess wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I don't mean to be negative. Maybe I'm missing something, but having 
>> played with the IPhone for a while at the store last Saturday, I have 
>> to wonder if the voice over navigation methods for navigating the 
>> touch screen are as speedy and efficient as typing on the qwerty? For 
>> example, the sighted guy who was watching me navigate using voice 
>> over observed that I had to cursor all over the screen to find 
>> something, when he could just tap on it with the finger. For example, 
>> even if I knew the notes application, or Safari was down at the 
>> bottom of the screen, I'd have to flick all the way around the screen 
>> to find it. Or, let's say I was writing an email. If I knew that I 
>> wanted to type in an H, or a U, would I have to cursor all over the 
>> screen to find it? To me, this just would be slow and tedious. A, S, 
>> D, F, G, H, double tap. Q, W, E, double tap. j, k, l, double tap. l, 
>> double tap. t, y, u, i, o, double tap.
>> All that just to write the word  hello? Please tell me I'm missing 
>> something!
>>
>> Jess
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RE: Is the navigation of items on the IPhone as efficient and speedy as everyone says?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

HI,

I bought my iPhone last Thursday.  My initial observations are that it is
perfectly usable after a short time.  Yes, the method of text-input takes
some getting used to (I'd say I'm only 60% as fast as I was on my old n82)
but I can notice a speed improvement even after such a short time.

In terms of the navigation,  there are several points.  Firstly, those who
suggest that good spatial awareness makes this device more usable are
correct.  It certainly helps to be able to know roughly on the screen where
something resides.  You might miss it by a centimetre (half an inch) but
you'll hit the item you are looking for in no time.   Secondly, one of the
factors that has helped me, is the ability to rearrange the home screen to
suit myself.  If you put something down on a surface, you'll usually
remember roughly where it is, (I know I do) and using these devices is no
different.  So one of the first things I did when I got mine was to place
the icons in positions that suited me.  As a consequence I developed a good
working mental map of the screen layout.

Another thing that has really helped me to become so quickly familiar with
the iPhone is the fact that the same non-speech audio cues are incorporated
into the interface as those found on Snow Leopard.  I find that I don't have
to listen to all the verbal descriptions of items provided from the
synthesiser but use the other sounds emanating from the device rather a lot.

Anyway, these are  just the thoughts of an absolute novice with this device.
There are plenty of people on this list who are far more expert in its use
than I, so if they disagree with what I've said here, I'd take their view
over mine on this one.

Cheers

Dónal
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[mailto:macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas
Sent: 08 December 2009 16:57
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is the navigation of items on the IPhone as efficient and
speedy as everyone says?

no if you have spacial awareness you be fine

On 8 Dec 2009, at 16:44, Jess wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> I don't mean to be negative. Maybe I'm missing something, but having 
> played with the IPhone for a while at the store last Saturday, I have 
> to wonder if the voice over navigation methods for navigating the 
> touch screen are as speedy and efficient as typing on the qwerty? For 
> example, the sighted guy who was watching me navigate using voice over 
> observed that I had to cursor all over the screen to find something, 
> when he could just tap on it with the finger. For example, even if I 
> knew the notes application, or Safari was down at the bottom of the 
> screen, I'd have to flick all the way around the screen to find it. 
> Or, let's say I was writing an email. If I knew that I wanted to type 
> in an H, or a U, would I have to cursor all over the screen to find 
> it? To me, this just would be slow and tedious. A, S, D, F, G, H, 
> double tap. Q, W, E, double tap. j, k, l, double tap. l, double tap. 
> t, y, u, i, o, double tap.
> All that just to write the word  hello? Please tell me I'm missing 
> something!
>
> Jess
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RE: Skype, How do you read Information

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi matt,

I've never found a way to do this using VO.  The best solution I've come up
with is simply sorting my contacts so the online ones appear first.  This is
an alphabetic list, so when a name with an earlier letter appears I know
I've reached the contacts who are offline.  However, (and I hope I've also
missed something) I've never been able to determine whether, as you ask,
someone is "offline with voicemail".

I haven't found a way to read mood messages and the like, though others
might have.  Interestingly, when the Accessibility Inspector is run over the
Skype UI, the information is all there, but because of poorly implemented
adherence to the apple accessibility standards, we can't, to the best of my
knowledge, access this type of information. 

Best,


Dónal

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[mailto:macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Roberts
Sent: 08 December 2009 16:41
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Skype, How do you read Information

I'm used to Skype on the PC.  On that platform, you can read information
about contacts, such as on-line, off-line with voicemail, etc.  How do you
get to this information on the Mac?

Matt Roberts n9gmr...@gmail.com

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RE: Airport Extreme Question

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hello David,

I've used one of these for about a year and I find it excellent.  I should
note that I've used the utility on both Mac and Windows and it's accessible
on both platforms.  The configuration is extremely simple.   I'd
wholeheartedly recommend it. 

Cheers

Dónal
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From: David McLean [mailto:david.mcl...@cox.net] 
Sent: 07 December 2009 19:25
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Airport Extreme Question

Hello, I was looking at possibly buying the Airport Extreme router and was
curious what impressions anyone has on the list that already owns one.  How
accessible is the configuration utility for instance?

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RE: powerpoint on the mac?

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Christina,

My work machine's a windows PC, so I just use that.

Cheers,
Dónal 

-Original Message-
From: Christina [mailto:blindmaclo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 23 November 2009 19:55
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: powerpoint on the mac?

Hi,

How do you convert the power point to pdf?

Thanks,
Christina
On Nov 22, 2009, at 4:31 AM, Donal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> The way I've managed to get around this is to convert the PowerPoint 
> to PDF and use preview to read it.  As someone who used to use it a 
> lot for preparing my own notes, I discovered that when I moved across 
> to the Mac I had a lot of files I couldn't read.
>
> Sorry this probably isn't much help, but if you get a workaround I'd 
> be delighted to hear.
>
> Cheers
>
> Dónal
>
> -Original Message-
> From: anouk radix [mailto:anou...@home.nl]
> Sent: 22 November 2009 08:57
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: powerpoint on the mac?
>
> Hello, are there any applications on the mac to read powerpoint 
> presentations and to make themin an accessible way/ I have often got 
> lectures htat use powerpoint presentations but i never used them in 
> the past just making my own notes instead but it would be nice if I 
> could make presentations.
> Greetings, Anouk
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RE: France now has an Apple Store

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi James,

Nope their main headquarters is here (Cork) but no stores.  As I mentioned
in a previous post, there is an Apple store in Belfast all right but none in
the Republic.

Thanks,

Dónal 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James & Nash
Sent: 09 November 2009 11:53
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: France now has an Apple Store


Hi Dóna,

I thought Apple had some stores in Ireland? When I last spoke with the Apple
guys over the phone, I was put through to Ireland.

Take care
James
- Original Message -
From: "Dónal Fitzpatrick" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:45 AM
Subject: RE: France now has an Apple Store



Anne I'm jealous that you have acquired an Apple Store in France.  We don't
have one here, so the only way one can be sure of getting the latest
equipment is online.  I happened to be in a retailer on Saturday, and
discovered that they were selling old iMac 20 and 24" at more or less the
same prices as the new machines.  So for anyone based either in Ireland or
the UK, be very very careful when purchasing from the likes of PC world, as
you may not be getting the latest Apple products.

Cheers,

Dónal

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
Sent: 07 November 2009 22:50
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: France now has an Apple Store


Hi Anne,

Congratulations on the new Paris store opening. I understand you should be
expecting a second store in Paris to open shortly.  Anouk, there are
problems in finding good store locations, so the number of Apple Stores
across Europe is still limited.  For example, it isn't that long ago that
the first Apple Store for Germany opened in Munich, and I think that is
still the only store for that country.  It's really nice to be able to go
into one of these stores to try out the products. It doesn't hurt, either,
that if you want to look up some information on the web, you can simply go
over to one of the computers, turn on VoiceOver, and run your query.

Cheers,

Esther

anouk radix wrote:

>
> Hello, wow I thought apple stores where already everywhere in Europe,
> apparently not so.
> Greetings, Anouk
> On Nov 7, 2009, at 11:33 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Today, the first Apple Store opened in France. It's in probably the
>> most prestigious location you could dream of, on one side of the
>> square underneath the pyramid at the Louvre.
>>
>> Archie and I went there this morning, got the special-issue T-shirts
>> and gave a member of staff plenty of useful information about
>> VoiceOver.
>>
>> Oh, yes, and I bought yet another case for my iPhone. At last, I've
>> got one that is open at the front.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Anne
>>
>>>
>
>
> >









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RE: France now has an Apple Store

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Hi Anne,

You wrote:

> No Apple Store in Ireland? But that's where Apple's European headquarters is 
> located. The world is even madder than I thought it was.
 They have one up North (Belfast) but we are still deprived...  *smile*  I'm 
really curious.  What does the 64Gb iTouch cost in Paris?  €369 over here.  I'd 
wager it's cheaper.

Dónal

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: 09 November 2009 10:39
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: France now has an Apple Store


Hello Dónal,

On Nov 9, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> I'm jealous that you have acquired an Apple Store in France.  We don't 
> have one here, so the only way one can be sure of getting the latest 
> equipment is online.
No Apple Store in Ireland? But that's where Apple's European headquarters is 
located. The world is even madder than I thought it was.

Cheers,

Anne





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RE: France now has an Apple Store

[Dónal Fitzpatrick]

Anne I'm jealous that you have acquired an Apple Store in France.  We don't
have one here, so the only way one can be sure of getting the latest
equipment is online.  I happened to be in a retailer on Saturday, and
discovered that they were selling old iMac 20 and 24" at more or less the
same prices as the new machines.  So for anyone based either in Ireland or
the UK, be very very careful when purchasing from the likes of PC world, as
you may not be getting the latest Apple products. 

Cheers,

Dónal

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
Sent: 07 November 2009 22:50
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: France now has an Apple Store


Hi Anne,

Congratulations on the new Paris store opening. I understand you should be
expecting a second store in Paris to open shortly.  Anouk, there are
problems in finding good store locations, so the number of Apple Stores
across Europe is still limited.  For example, it isn't that long ago that
the first Apple Store for Germany opened in Munich, and I think that is
still the only store for that country.  It's really nice to be able to go
into one of these stores to try out the products. It doesn't hurt, either,
that if you want to look up some information on the web, you can simply go
over to one of the computers, turn on VoiceOver, and run your query.

Cheers,

Esther

anouk radix wrote:

>
> Hello, wow I thought apple stores where already everywhere in Europe, 
> apparently not so.
> Greetings, Anouk
> On Nov 7, 2009, at 11:33 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Today, the first Apple Store opened in France. It's in probably the 
>> most prestigious location you could dream of, on one side of the 
>> square underneath the pyramid at the Louvre.
>>
>> Archie and I went there this morning, got the special-issue T-shirts 
>> and gave a member of staff plenty of useful information about 
>> VoiceOver.
>>
>> Oh, yes, and I bought yet another case for my iPhone. At last, I've 
>> got one that is open at the front.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Anne
>>
>>>
>
>
> >




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