Re: can't add a signature

[Greg Aikens]

Never mind. I got it to work. For some reason I have to bring the mouse twice. 
The first time it does not move the mouse cursor to the correct position but 
the second time seems to work.

Thanks again for this.


> On Jul 1, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Greg Aikens  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anne,
> Thanks for this solution. I almost have it working. For some reason though, I 
> am adding the signature to the wrong account. When I bring the mouse the 
> second time it says the correct account name but  when I hit 
> Shift+VO+Cmd+Space  to drop the signature, it says “Mouse up” on the name of 
> one of my other email accounts. The signature now shows up in that other 
> account and not the account I wanted. Any idea what I’m doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks,
> Greg
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 11:17 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Donna,
>> 
>> Try this:
>> • Select the signature you wish to apply to an account;
>> • Bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5);
>> • Turn cursor tracking off (VO-Shift-F3);
>> • Press VO-Cmd-Shift-Space to hold the mouse down;
>> • Navigate to the appropriate account;
>> • Bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5);
>> • Press VO-Cmd-Shift-Space;
>> • Put cursor tracking back on (VO-Shift-F3).
>> 
>> You need to interact with the tables and navigate with VO for this to work.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Jul 2015, at 16:42, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ugh, well, I'm glad I'm not the only one.  I have the signature created 
>>> using the right account name, but I can't make it pair with the account. 
>>> When I select that particular account in the table, the Names table is 
>>> empty, and the Choose button is dimmed.  G.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Greg Aikens  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Not a dumb question. I can’t make this work either. I thought I remembered 
>>>> someone offering a solution a while back but was unable to locate it in 
>>>> the list archives. As a work around, I have just created the signatures 
>>>> under each account name instead of under the all accounts spot. 
>>>>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know this is a dumb question, but I absolutely can't make it work.  How 
>>>>> do I add a sig to an email account?  the signature is created, but when I 
>>>>> try to add it to the specific email account where I want to use it, I 
>>>>> can't.
>>>>> TIA,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
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Re: can't add a signature

[Greg Aikens]

Hi Anne,
Thanks for this solution. I almost have it working. For some reason though, I 
am adding the signature to the wrong account. When I bring the mouse the second 
time it says the correct account name but  when I hit Shift+VO+Cmd+Space  to 
drop the signature, it says “Mouse up” on the name of one of my other email 
accounts. The signature now shows up in that other account and not the account 
I wanted. Any idea what I’m doing wrong?

Thanks,
Greg

> On Jul 1, 2015, at 11:17 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> Try this:
> • Select the signature you wish to apply to an account;
> • Bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5);
> • Turn cursor tracking off (VO-Shift-F3);
> • Press VO-Cmd-Shift-Space to hold the mouse down;
> • Navigate to the appropriate account;
> • Bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5);
> • Press VO-Cmd-Shift-Space;
> • Put cursor tracking back on (VO-Shift-F3).
> 
> You need to interact with the tables and navigate with VO for this to work.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 1 Jul 2015, at 16:42, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Ugh, well, I'm glad I'm not the only one.  I have the signature created 
>> using the right account name, but I can't make it pair with the account. 
>> When I select that particular account in the table, the Names table is 
>> empty, and the Choose button is dimmed.  G.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Greg Aikens  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not a dumb question. I can’t make this work either. I thought I remembered 
>>> someone offering a solution a while back but was unable to locate it in the 
>>> list archives. As a work around, I have just created the signatures under 
>>> each account name instead of under the all accounts spot. 
>>>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I know this is a dumb question, but I absolutely can't make it work.  How 
>>>> do I add a sig to an email account?  the signature is created, but when I 
>>>> try to add it to the specific email account where I want to use it, I 
>>>> can't.
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
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Re: can't add a signature

[Greg Aikens]

Did you create the signature with the account you want selected in the first 
table or was “All signatures” selected when you created the signature? I can’t 
figure out how to move signatures I created under “All signatures” to specific 
accounts, but if I select the account first and then hit add, it lets me create 
signatures under each account. 


> On Jul 1, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Ugh, well, I'm glad I'm not the only one.  I have the signature created using 
> the right account name, but I can't make it pair with the account. When I 
> select that particular account in the table, the Names table is empty, and 
> the Choose button is dimmed.  G.
> Thanks,
> Donna
>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Greg Aikens  wrote:
>> 
>> Not a dumb question. I can’t make this work either. I thought I remembered 
>> someone offering a solution a while back but was unable to locate it in the 
>> list archives. As a work around, I have just created the signatures under 
>> each account name instead of under the all accounts spot. 
>>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I know this is a dumb question, but I absolutely can't make it work.  How 
>>> do I add a sig to an email account?  the signature is created, but when I 
>>> try to add it to the specific email account where I want to use it, I can't.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> 
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Re: can't add a signature

[Greg Aikens]

Not a dumb question. I can’t make this work either. I thought I remembered 
someone offering a solution a while back but was unable to locate it in the 
list archives. As a work around, I have just created the signatures under each 
account name instead of under the all accounts spot. 
> On Jul 1, 2015, at 9:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I know this is a dumb question, but I absolutely can't make it work.  How do 
> I add a sig to an email account?  the signature is created, but when I try to 
> add it to the specific email account where I want to use it, I can't.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: pdf files

[Greg Aikens]

I’m pretty sure this is a mac program. She said that just like when you are 
using Windows, you need an accessible PDF.

Best,
Greg

> On Jun 18, 2015, at 3:20 PM, May McDonald  wrote:
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> Thanks, I'll see if there's a mac version of this since I don't use windows.
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Eugenia Firth > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello there
>> I am using P DF pen pro.as in windows, the form that you have to do needs to 
>> be an accessible form before it's going to work. Otherwise, you have to get 
>> a reader to help you rename the fields if the form is not
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 5:27 AM, May McDonald > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Good morning.
>>> 
>>> What program is the best to use to read and write in pdf files? I have a 
>>> form I need to fill out and it's in pdf. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> May and LD Luna Moon!
>>> www.canadianlynx.ca 
>>> m...@canadianlynx.ca 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: renaming tables in Numbers, revisited

[Greg Aikens]

Never mind. I found the script and it is working beautifully. Thanks for the 
tip.

If anyone else needs it, it can be downloaded from:
https://nicholascharlesparsons.wordpress.com


> On May 3, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> there is a script that makes easy work of this task. All that is necessary is 
> to have focus on the desired table, and then to run the script. It is best 
> run from the extras menu bar which requires it to be placed in a certain 
> folder and have the scripts icon turned on via script editor.
> I’m sure the author of the script, or someone on list (perhaps even me if I 
> get off my duff) can supply the script.
> 
>> On May 3, 2015, at 8:39 PM, Greg Aikens  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> Is there a new way to rename tables in Numbers? For a while now I have been 
>> using Ann Roberson’s solution involving mouse keys etc. but for some reason 
>> that doesn’t seem to be working for me anymore. I end up selecting whatever 
>> row my cursor started in using the old method. Can anyone recommend another 
>> solution for changing table names in Numbers? 
>> 
>> Thanks for any help.
>> 
>> -Greg
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Re: renaming tables in Numbers, revisited

[Greg Aikens]

That would be a very helpful script. Has it been posted somewhere, e.g. 
AppleVis or another similar site?

Thanks,
Greg

> On May 3, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> there is a script that makes easy work of this task. All that is necessary is 
> to have focus on the desired table, and then to run the script. It is best 
> run from the extras menu bar which requires it to be placed in a certain 
> folder and have the scripts icon turned on via script editor.
> I’m sure the author of the script, or someone on list (perhaps even me if I 
> get off my duff) can supply the script.
> 
>> On May 3, 2015, at 8:39 PM, Greg Aikens  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> Is there a new way to rename tables in Numbers? For a while now I have been 
>> using Ann Roberson’s solution involving mouse keys etc. but for some reason 
>> that doesn’t seem to be working for me anymore. I end up selecting whatever 
>> row my cursor started in using the old method. Can anyone recommend another 
>> solution for changing table names in Numbers? 
>> 
>> Thanks for any help.
>> 
>> -Greg
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renaming tables in Numbers, revisited

[Greg Aikens]

Hello all,
Is there a new way to rename tables in Numbers? For a while now I have been 
using Ann Roberson’s solution involving mouse keys etc. but for some reason 
that doesn’t seem to be working for me anymore. I end up selecting whatever row 
my cursor started in using the old method. Can anyone recommend another 
solution for changing table names in Numbers? 

Thanks for any help.

-Greg

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Re: Major trouble with internet: Warning: not for the basic user!

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Get a small table to set next to your desk for the receiver. Seriously, $5 at 
Salvation Army or something.
> On Apr 26, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> As I said in my subject, I don't want to turn anyone off from reading this 
> e-mail.  If you genuinely think you can help, just know, no suggestion is 
> stupid.  Especially considerring that I've tried everything under the son.  
> At this point, I'm willing to try literally just about anything including 
> throwing the mac across the room, then screaming!  LOL!
>  
> So, a little bit of very brief background.  I have a Dell computer which 
> apparently has just bitten the dust.  It's about 10 years old.  This really 
> isn't rellavent more so than to say  I just put it in storage until I figure 
> out what to do with it.  I also have a Yamaha hifi dolby/prologic surround 
> sound 5.1 receiver.  This receiver has an ethernet port on the back of it 
> which allows you to connect it to an internet wired connection for things 
> like Pandora, Spottify, etc.  Get to the point, Chris, you say.  I am, I am, 
> I promise.  Stick with me on this.  Just hear me out for a sec as this is 
> actually incredibly rellavant to my problem.
>  
> So, here's the issue.  The receiver doesn't have wifi capability.  It's 
> stricly only able to connect to a network via a hardwired ethernet 
> connection.  Well, this would be all fine and dandy except for one thing.
>  
> I don't have room on my desk with my router to set the receiver up.  
> Therefore, I had to set the receiver up across the room beside that old 
> busted Dell machine.  Due to home regulations set by my landlord, I cannot 
> tack anything to the walls, nor use double sided tape, or anything of the 
> sort, nor can I tack anything across my ceiling.  Therefore, there went using 
> a token ringed topology, let alone a PTP host/client configuration.  
> Therefore, what I was doing was connecting via wifi to my home network's 
> router across the room.  This supplied internet connectivity to me on the 
> Dell machine.  Then what I did was, I ran an ethernet cable from the on board 
> ethernet port on the back of the Dell tower to the ethernet port on my Yamaha 
> receiver.  Then, finally, in Windows XP, I was able to go under Control 
> Panel, Networks, select both my wifi connection as well as my ethernet 
> connection, hit the application's key, or rather, right click, same thing, 
> and then select bridge connection from the context menu.  Once done, it made 
> my wifi connection carry down to my ethernet port.  So, in other words, as 
> long as I have an internet connection on my wifi end, then whatever got 
> plugged into the ethernet port hardwired used that exact same connection.
>  
> So, now that the Dell system has gone to its grave, and is there rotting, 
> LOL!  just kidding, seriously  though, I'm trying to achieve this same exact 
> thing with Yosemite 10.10.3.  No matter what the heck I do though, try as I 
> may, I just can! not! seem to get this to work.
>  
> So far, I went into System Preferences, Sharing.  Under here, I first 
> selected the internet sharing service in the table.  Then, making sure the 
> box in the first column of that table row was unchecked, I moved down and set 
> the share from popup button to wifi.  Then, in the share to table, I made 
> sure that the only thing checked was ethernet.  Then, I went back to the 
> services table, checked the box beside the Internet sharing service, and 
> started up the service.
>  
> I should add that all the above things were done while the ethernet cable was 
> plugged in both to the mac, and to the receiver.
>  
> I then tried getting the receiver to go out online via internet, but it 
> wouldn't.  I wondered if something got turned off in the receiver's menus, so 
> I tested with an old laptop I have which doesn't even have wifi ability, only 
> ethernet.  It didn't work there either, so trust me.  It's not the receiver 
> here that's at fault.
>  
> I went back to System Prefernces, then to network.  I noticed that the first 
> service in the table was eithernet, not wifi, even though wifi is my primary 
> means to connect.  Therefore, I went to the actions popup button, and to 
> service order, I think it's called... something to that effect.  Using the 
> Voiceover's drag and drop abilities, I dragged the connections around and got 
> them so wifi was first, then Ethernet was second.  This way, wifi takes 
> higher priority.  This didn't fix the issue.
>  
> Next, still in network settings, on the ethernet connection, I noticed though 
> connected, it said that it had a self assigned IP address, and will not be 
> able to connect to the internet.  The IP address it's showing is:  
> 169.254.105.163.  Obviously, from another machine on my network than the mac, 
> if I try pinging this address, it times out instantly.  I can't even do a 
> tracert query.  It doesn't even complete the first hop if I do.  Un

Re: Logos Bible Software

[Greg Aikens]

These bible sites are great, but Logos gives you the ability to cross reference 
between the biblical text, texts in the original languages, commentaries, do 
word studies, etc. It allows you to upload and add to your own reference 
library. It’s a pretty nice software package. 

> On Mar 29, 2015, at 10:55 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why not just use Bible Gateway?
> 
> http://www.biblegateway.org
> 
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> http://www.clgproductions.net
> - Original Message - From: "CJ Daniel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 10:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Logos Bible Software
> 
> 
> Emelio,
> 
> As previously stated, Logos is not accessible.  Also, the afore mentioned 
> Eloquent—the bible software previously known as MacSword—has not been 
> accessible since the introduction of Mavericks.  Well, @ least not in my 
> experience.  And, I did try to contact the developer, twice, with no joy.
> 
> So, as disappointed as I was not to have bible software on the Mac, I 
> contacted Optasia Ministries & had a huge collection of bibles, commentaries, 
> dictionaries, etc, etc sent to me.  It can be a bit cumbersome using HTML, 
> text, & various other formats of files; but it works & just reminds me of 
> having a bunch of books on my real desktop.  I, also, have had great success 
> using BlueLetterBible.org online.  Lastly, a mod on another list has noted—on 
> several occasions— how happy he is with the BlueLetterBible software for IOS, 
> that he uses with VoiceOver.
> 
> Anyway, I hope this helps,
> 
> CJ
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2015, at 3:23 AM, Emilio Hernandez  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> Has anyone downloaded Logos, a Bible software program for the Macintosh?
>> If so, has anyone found it to be voiceover accessible?
>> 
>> Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
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Re: spotify

[Greg Aikens]

I would also be interested to know if others have had success with desktop 
clients. I have used the web player but I can’t get VO to consistently read the 
different parts of the page when I want to search for new music etc. 

I currently use the IOS app.

Thanks,
Greg

> On Mar 23, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Amber Wallenstein  
> wrote:
> 
> I tried a few desk top players for Spotify, but didn't have any luck. The 
> only way I can use it is through the iOS app.
> Wish I had better news.
> Amber
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 6:24 AM, deedra waters  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m curious as to what folks use here for spotify? I’ve looked at a couple 
>> things here most of which are  linux based clients i’ve played with in my 
>> vm. I also looked at the spotify web player, but dont really like that 
>> either as the buttons or rather a lot of buttons aren’t labeled properly in 
>> the flash player. Any thoughts?
>> 
>> 
>> deedra waters
>> dee...@the-brannons.com
>> 
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Re: Using range of header rows and columns in numbers

[Greg Aikens]

That’s a good idea, but in this case Numbers does not change the cell 
references into header names. It works if I want to sum the cells in one 
column, say Electricity, over the range of rows under the header of January, 
but for whatever reason it won’t let me sum multiple columns, such as the 4 
columns under the header Utilities, over the range of rows in January. Maybe 
the header referencing feature just doesn’t work like this. 

Thanks for the suggestion,
Greg

> On Mar 7, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> you could try an experiment. create your formula using e5:h10 as you call it, 
> and see how numbers translates that to column/row header references.
> example, If I reference a cell like C5 in a formula, and  column C has a 
> header reference of March, and row 5 has a header reference of Wednesday, 
> then numbers will translate C5 into March Wednesday.
> In the same way, create the formula with cell references and see what numbers 
> makes of it in terms of header references.
> It’ll give you an idea of how numbers handles such matters and will probably 
> help you figure it out without need of an advanced manual.
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
>> On Mar 7, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Greg Aikens  wrote:
>> 
>> My mistake. Let me repost with the correct terms. 
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I have a spreadsheet with two header rows and two header columns. The 
>> Leftmost header column lists each month. The second header column list 
>> individual transactions for each month. The leftmost header column is a 
>> merged cell so that all of the January transactions fall into the January 
>> header. I do something similar with my header rows. I have a top header row 
>> for utilities and then below it, columns with headers for gas, electricity, 
>> internet, etc. In the numbers help files I see that I can use the outside 
>> header to refer to the series of rows or columns, and it works if I want to 
>> do something like calculate a total for one column in the month of January, 
>> etc. Is it possible to calculate a total for all my utilities columns for 
>> the month of January without having to specify the specific range of cells? 
>> I realize I can go in and say something like E5:H10 to refer to that range, 
>> but it would be far faster to be able to say something like “January 
>> Utilities.” For whatever reason, this does not seem to work for me. I get a 
>> formula error when I use sum(January utilities). 
>> 
>> Could anyone recommend a resource with a more in depth explanation of how 
>> the header referencing in Numbers works?
>> 
>> Thanks for any help.
>> 
>>> On Mar 7, 2015, at 10:01 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You seem to be mixing terms. you refer to “leftmost” header rows and “top” 
>>> header row. Rows can’t be leftmost or rightmost, they’re stacked one above 
>>> each other. Just as header columns are vertical columns each next to the 
>>> other.
>>> I don’t really understand your question the way you posed it. I can tell 
>>> you that the bottom header row, that is, the row closest to the actual data 
>>> rows, can be referenced in formulas to refer to the entire column beneath 
>>> it. Similarly with column headers, the column closest to the actual data 
>>> columns can reference the entire row to its right.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 7, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Greg Aikens  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> I have a spreadsheet with two header rows and two header columns. The 
>>>> Leftmost header row lists each month. The second header row list 
>>>> individual transactions for each month. The leftmost header row is a 
>>>> merged cell so that all of the January transactions fall into the January 
>>>> header. I do something similar with my columns. I have a top header row 
>>>> for utilities and then below it, columns for gas, electricity, internet, 
>>>> etc. In the numbers help files I see that I can use the outside header to 
>>>> refer to the series of rows or columns, and it works if I want to do 
>>>> something like calculate a total for one column in the month of January, 
>>>> etc. Is it possible to calculate a total for all my utilities columns for 
>>>> the month of January without having to specify the specific range of 
>>>> cells? I realize I can go in and say something like E5:H10 to refer to 
>>>> that range, but it would be far faster to be able to say something like 
>>>> “January Utilities.” For whatever reason, this does not seem to work for 
>>>> me. I 

Re: Using range of header rows and columns in numbers

[Greg Aikens]

My mistake. Let me repost with the correct terms. 

Hello all,
I have a spreadsheet with two header rows and two header columns. The Leftmost 
header column lists each month. The second header column list individual 
transactions for each month. The leftmost header column is a merged cell so 
that all of the January transactions fall into the January header. I do 
something similar with my header rows. I have a top header row for utilities 
and then below it, columns with headers for gas, electricity, internet, etc. In 
the numbers help files I see that I can use the outside header to refer to the 
series of rows or columns, and it works if I want to do something like 
calculate a total for one column in the month of January, etc. Is it possible 
to calculate a total for all my utilities columns for the month of January 
without having to specify the specific range of cells? I realize I can go in 
and say something like E5:H10 to refer to that range, but it would be far 
faster to be able to say something like “January Utilities.” For whatever 
reason, this does not seem to work for me. I get a formula error when I use 
sum(January utilities). 

Could anyone recommend a resource with a more in depth explanation of how the 
header referencing in Numbers works?

Thanks for any help.

> On Mar 7, 2015, at 10:01 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> You seem to be mixing terms. you refer to “leftmost” header rows and “top” 
> header row. Rows can’t be leftmost or rightmost, they’re stacked one above 
> each other. Just as header columns are vertical columns each next to the 
> other.
> I don’t really understand your question the way you posed it. I can tell you 
> that the bottom header row, that is, the row closest to the actual data rows, 
> can be referenced in formulas to refer to the entire column beneath it. 
> Similarly with column headers, the column closest to the actual data columns 
> can reference the entire row to its right.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 7, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Greg Aikens  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I have a spreadsheet with two header rows and two header columns. The 
>> Leftmost header row lists each month. The second header row list individual 
>> transactions for each month. The leftmost header row is a merged cell so 
>> that all of the January transactions fall into the January header. I do 
>> something similar with my columns. I have a top header row for utilities and 
>> then below it, columns for gas, electricity, internet, etc. In the numbers 
>> help files I see that I can use the outside header to refer to the series of 
>> rows or columns, and it works if I want to do something like calculate a 
>> total for one column in the month of January, etc. Is it possible to 
>> calculate a total for all my utilities columns for the month of January 
>> without having to specify the specific range of cells? I realize I can go in 
>> and say something like E5:H10 to refer to that range, but it would be far 
>> faster to be able to say something like “January Utilities.” For whatever 
>> reason, this does not seem to work for me. I get a formula error when I use 
>> sum(January utilities). 
>> 
>> Could anyone recommend a resource with a more in depth explanation of how 
>> the header referencing in Numbers works?
>> 
>> Thanks for any help.
>> 
>> Greg
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Using range of header rows and columns in numbers

[Greg Aikens]

Hello all,
I have a spreadsheet with two header rows and two header columns. The Leftmost 
header row lists each month. The second header row list individual transactions 
for each month. The leftmost header row is a merged cell so that all of the 
January transactions fall into the January header. I do something similar with 
my columns. I have a top header row for utilities and then below it, columns 
for gas, electricity, internet, etc. In the numbers help files I see that I can 
use the outside header to refer to the series of rows or columns, and it works 
if I want to do something like calculate a total for one column in the month of 
January, etc. Is it possible to calculate a total for all my utilities columns 
for the month of January without having to specify the specific range of cells? 
I realize I can go in and say something like E5:H10 to refer to that range, but 
it would be far faster to be able to say something like “January Utilities.” 
For whatever reason, this does not seem to work for me. I get a formula error 
when I use sum(January utilities). 

Could anyone recommend a resource with a more in depth explanation of how the 
header referencing in Numbers works?

Thanks for any help.

Greg

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Speaking contents of merged cells in Numbers

[Greg Aikens]

Hello all,
I have taken a break from the list for quite a while but I’m back with a 
question about Numbers. When I merge cells, I would like for voiceover to read 
the content of the merged cells as I arrow across my table. Right now the 
announcement I get is “H1 through K1 added to selection. H1 through K1 
selected.” If I use VO and the arrow keys, it reads all cells as blank except 
for the leftmost cell, H1, where it reads the text correctly. If I interact 
with the merged cells, I can read the contents. 

Are there any settings I can adjust so that VO just reads me the contents of 
merged cells instead of telling me the range that is highlighted? Keeping the 
range announcement is fine but hearing the contents is what I really want. 

Thanks for any help.

-Greg

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Re: an annoying little problem

[Greg Aikens]

If you aren't trying to record it, couldn't you just use your built in 
microphone as input and your external speakers? It's not recording quality 
obviously, but depending on what you are doing, this set up will allow someone 
to hear voiceover and any other sounds coming from your mac. You could probably 
use whatever microphone you want as long as you are using the external speakers 
for all of your sound. 


On Mar 18, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Well, yes, in fact, I want the person to be able to hear everything including 
> Voice OVer and the app I'm using.  Come to think of it, I just thought of a 
> way.  Plug my microphone directly in to a mixer, plug my Mac's output in to 
> another channel on that mixer, and then, make sure Skype's output is 
> redirected to my griphin iMic and I think that should do it but I'd like a 
> neater solution that doesn't involve doing that.  Otherwise, there's the 
> chance that Skype could ffeedback on itself.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:
> 
>> Hmm, in terms of hearing both you and VO? I haven't found a way to do both, 
>> but I can just use system audio with audio hijack and do it that way.
>> 
>> Matt Dierckens
>> Macintosh Trainer
>> Blind Access Training
>> www.blindaccesstraining.com
>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 18, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay,
>>> 
>>> Is there any way to allow a person to whom I am talking on Skype to hear 
>>> directly what my Mac is doing?  I tried using Sound Flower, Line in, and 
>>> system audio but no joy.  Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in!
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
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Re: free software for solving capchas on mac

[Greg Aikens]

You can disable the extension at any time in safari, just like you would do for 
any extension. Open the preferences dialog with Cmd+, and switch to the 
extensions page. There is a list of extensions. Select the one you want and 
interact with the scroll area. Find the check box that says enable and uncheck 
it.

I do this because sometimes Rumola thinks I'm looking at a kapcha when I am not 
and so I waste one of my solutions. 

-Greg

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wrote:

> Yes, that's right. Rumola still works with the screen curtain turned on, 
> because presumably the people solving the CAPTCHAs are sent a picture of the 
> screen with the screen curtain off.
> 
> I just wish there was a way to ensure people can't see my screen until I want 
> to solve a CAPTCHA. So that when I come across a CAPTCHA, I can just turn it 
> on, wait until the CAPTCHA is solved, and then turn it off again or 
> something. This would make me feel more secure. Does anyone know if something 
> like this is possible? Or is there a way to deactivate Rumola without 
> completely uninstalling the extension?
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Re: Tagging people and pages on Facebook

[Greg Aikens]

Thanks for the tip Teresa, this worked fine. For some reason I thought I did it 
without the @ sign last time, but obviously not. 


On Feb 14, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> It should work in MenuTab. I haven't tried it, but MenuTab just presents the 
> mobile and desktop pages in any case.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
> Feynman
> 
> On Feb 14, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Buddy Brannan  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Teresa,
>> 
>> Do yu know if this works in Menutab, or just on the Facebook page? 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> 
>>> Type in the at symbol (shift-2) immediately followed by the name and press 
>>> return. It should give you a name with a link, which will be the tag. You 
>>> can edit this to only show the first name, but VO is a little weird with 
>>> it, so you might have to interact with the tag text first. Trying to pick a 
>>> name from the suggestions is not very reliable.
>>> 
>>> HtH,
>>> Teresa
>>> Slow down; you'll get there faster.
>>> 
>>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Greg Aikens  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Does anyone know of a step by step guide of how to tag someone using 
>>>> Facebook and voiceover on the mac? I was able to do so back in December 
>>>> but now I can't seem to figure it out again. I don't know if Facebook has 
>>>> changed or if I'm just not remembering what I did correctly. Any tips or 
>>>> guidance is appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> -Greg
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Tagging people and pages on Facebook

[Greg Aikens]

Does anyone know of a step by step guide of how to tag someone using Facebook 
and voiceover on the mac? I was able to do so back in December but now I can't 
seem to figure it out again. I don't know if Facebook has changed or if I'm 
just not remembering what I did correctly. Any tips or guidance is appreciated.

-Greg

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Re: 6 or 8 dot braille for brf files

[Greg Aikens]

Thanks for this tip Teresa. That made things much more readable. Incidentally, 
when I tried 6 dot braille after the transformation, it still made similar 
mistakes. It almost looks as though automatic translation gets turned on if you 
try and read in 6 dot braille. I don't know why that would be so.

-Greg

On Feb 11, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Hi, Greg,
> 
> You need to read these in eight-dot Braille. Brf files are in upper-case 
> characters, so in order to read them without the dot-7 appearing below each 
> character, you will need to select all your text with command-a, then go into 
> the edit menu, transformations, and change the text to lower-case. It's 
> possible at this point that you could try six-dot Braille, but once you 
> transform the text to lower-case, I don't think it makes any difference.
> 
> HtH,
> teresa
> On Feb 11, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Greg Aikens  wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> I have a BRF question. When reading a brf in text edit, I turn off automatic 
>> braille translation. As far as I can tell, I have to use 8 dot braille for 
>> the brf to be represented correctly. Is there a way to read a brf file in 6 
>> dot braille correctly? Currently, when I uncheck the 8 dot braille box, it 
>> does funky things like adding a number sign in front of lower cell symbols 
>> so that the en sign becomes number sign 5 etc.
>> 
>> Anything I can do?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> -Greg
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6 or 8 dot braille for brf files

[Greg Aikens]

Hello all,
I have a BRF question. When reading a brf in text edit, I turn off automatic 
braille translation. As far as I can tell, I have to use 8 dot braille for the 
brf to be represented correctly. Is there a way to read a brf file in 6 dot 
braille correctly? Currently, when I uncheck the 8 dot braille box, it does 
funky things like adding a number sign in front of lower cell symbols so that 
the en sign becomes number sign 5 etc.

Anything I can do?

Thanks.

-Greg

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Re: playing and rewinding on youtube

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On many of the ads, you can skip them after watching the first several seconds. 
 I only know this from watching youtube with sighted friends.  I haven’t found 
a way to do this with VO.

On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:50 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:

> I doubt they would supply a way to skip the commercials since that's what 
> pays the bills.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 1/31/14 11:42 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
>> Unfortunately,
>> 
>> I'm not sure about either one of these question.  If there's a way to skip 
>> youtube's commercial's, I'd love to know, also.  Lastly, I'm not a Facebook 
>> user & wouldn't know.
>> 
>> Good luck with these questions,
>> 
>> CJ
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 12:10 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> how about skiping the ads?
>>> and i want to insert this also how about viewing videos on facebook? i can 
>>> see the play on it.
>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 09:29 pm, CJ Daniel  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Turn off "Quick Nav" & use J to rewind, K to play/pause, & L to 
 fast-forward.
 
 Cheers,
 
 CJ
 
 
 On Jan 29, 2014, at 4:42 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
  wrote:
 
> is there any trick to play and pause on the youtube site? and i cant even 
> see the replay menu when the video is finish, the only thing i have to do 
> is to refresh the site. thanks!
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Re: Hebrew voice and hebrew braille for mac

[Greg Aikens]

Thanks for the tip.  This is better than before.

Another question though.  If I have brf files in hebrew, what do I need to have 
set so that VO won’t mess them up in text edit?  I have uncontracted braille 
on, 6 dot braille on, automatic translation off, but something still doesn’t 
look quite right.  

Any thoughts?


On Jan 20, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Rafi Cohen  wrote:

> Hi Greg and others, there is not official support for Hebrew neither through
> voice nor braille.
> However, I found out that when you choose a European non-English braille
> table (German, Spanish etc) you can read Hebrew text in braille. This is
> true both for Mac and IOS devices. The drawback is to get used to European
> notation for digits, punctuations and other symbols, but except that it
> works well.
> The cecimac tables are not relevant beyond Snow Leopard.
> Concerning voice, for now there is no solution.
> Vocalizer Expressive includes a Hebrew voice named Karmit but rumors say
> that Apple insists that Nuance will build a voice separation mechanism. By
> voice separation I mean that English text will be spoken by English voice
> and Hebrew text by Hebrew voice.
> Whether this rumor is true ot not, I hope Apple will include Hebrew support
> to Voiceover as soon as possible.
> Thanks, Rafi.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens
> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Hebrew voice and hebrew braille for mac
> 
> Hello all,
> I'm trying to find a way to read hebrew braille on my mac.  I found an old
> post in the archives that list a supported package for international braille
> codes but it looked like it was for Snow Leopard.  The link is
> http://www.cecimac.org/english.htm
> 
> Does anyone know of anything more recent or will this package still work for
> me in mavericks?  In VO utility I see support for many international braille
> codes but not hebrew.  
> 
> A TTS voice would be a nice bonus, but the braille is more important to me.
> Any tips?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Greg
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Re: Unreal VoiceOver very choppy again

[Greg Aikens]

Hi,
I am experiencing this periodic choppiness in speech and even sluggish response 
from VO.   Restarting VO helps sometimes but sometimes it doesn’t.  When it is 
at its worst, I also hear fan noise as though my laptop were running hot or 
some process is eating up all my CPU.  Any tips of what to look for in activity 
monitor?

Thanks,
Greg

On Jan 24, 2014, at 7:12 PM, Jessica D  wrote:

> I have never had thisissue. I am currently using Tom because he sounds the 
> most human to me.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 6:47 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> I tried using Fred for a while. I didn't notice stuttering, but it is a very 
>> random problem anyway. However, the overall sluggishness of the system 
>> persisted. Good thought though, thanks for the suggestion.
>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Daniel,
>>> 
>>> Yup you are right, I can't stand the compact voices. I do have multiple 
>>> voices installed and the sluggishness is with all of them. I am not even 
>>> sure how I would revert to the compact voices, will have to look in to it 
>>> the next time the skipping words happens.
 On Jan 24, 2014, at 5:14 PM, Daniel McGee  
 wrote:
 
 Bryan, I am really sorry you seem to be experiencing such awful chopping 
 issues under Mavericks and VO.
 The only time I have had this occurred with me is when I power up my late 
 2011 MBP I get VO stuttering as it were through the standard "Welcome to 
 OS 10. Voiceover is on." This is using the higher quality voice.
 After this things settle down for me. The only suggestion I have and if it 
 doesn't work then I am sorry I am unable to think of any other ideas to 
 solve your problem except from the dreaded re-install already mentioned.
 Have you tried using the compact voices to see if that fixes the lag?
 I have found that when I used the Compact Daniel voice I got no lag with 
 the welcome message announced by Voiceover at the log on screen.
 Of course, I'm aware that people yourself maybe included, may not like the 
 compact versions but this is just a testing method as it were to see if 
 the problem occurs  with the compact version.
 
 Good luck and please do report back even if you've already tried this out.
 
 Daniel 
> On 24 Jan 2014, at 21:34, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I know a clean install is not usually necessary, but I can't think of 
> anything else to try. I have:
> 
> * uninstalled Soundflower, which reports suggest can cause audio 
> processes to run constantly and eat CPU power like crazy
> * repaired disk permissions multiple times, the most recent from Safe 
> Mode so I was sure to get everything
> * reset the PRAM
> * turned Time Machine off
> * turned Speakable Items off
> * looked for runaway processes, and found none since I removed Soundflower
> 
> My machine ran fine under Mountain Lion, especially after I gave it 8gb 
> of ram to play with. It is a 2011 Mini, and a low-end CPU, but, again, it 
> ran fine four months ago and only has problems now. I hate to revert to 
> Mountain Lion since there are features of Mavericks I enjoy (tagging, the 
> new iCloud features, new VO voices, and more). More to the point, though, 
> I shouldn't have to. Most everyone on this list seems to have gotten the 
> same or better performance out of Mavericks compared to Mountain Lion, 
> it's just us lucky few that are running into problems.
>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think this is a Mavericks/vo problem per se or at least all by 
>> itself; there would apparently seem to be some other variable along with 
>> Mavericks and vo that is triggering this since there are many people who 
>> are not experiencing the problem along with those who are. I upgraded to 
>> Mavericks on both my iMac and Macbook Air; I have chosen to go back to 
>> Mountain Lion on the iMac and may do so on the Macbook Air but neither 
>> computer had the choppy voiceover problem. If Mavericks is indeed one 
>> component in why this is happening, maybe you should back up needed 
>> files and reinstall Mountain Lion. I used superduper to back up both my 
>> Mavericks and Mountain Lion installation and repaired permissions on 
>> both (had to switch to the Mountain Lion external to do its 
>> permissions). Then from the Mountain Lion external drive I ran 
>> superduper to put Mountain Lion back on the hard drive. I then went 
>> through the Mavericks drive and copied needed files over that were not 
>> on the Mountain Lion drive. Finally, I erased the Mavericks backup and 
>> started Time Machine on it. Sounds complicated but really wasn't bad. Of 
>> course if you no longer have a Mountain Lion installation or Time 
>> Machine backup you will have to reinst

Hebrew voice and hebrew braille for mac

[Greg Aikens]

Hello all,
I’m trying to find a way to read hebrew braille on my mac.  I found an old post 
in the archives that list a supported package for international braille codes 
but it looked like it was for Snow Leopard.  The link is 
http://www.cecimac.org/english.htm

Does anyone know of anything more recent or will this package still work for me 
in mavericks?  In VO utility I see support for many international braille codes 
but not hebrew.  

A TTS voice would be a nice bonus, but the braille is more important to me.  
Any tips?

Thanks,

Greg

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Re: Step by Step Guide

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Hi April,
Are you interacting with the web page before you try to navigate it?  You need 
to move to the part that says html view and interact with it using 
Control+option+shift+down arrow.  Then you should be able to use VO+left and 
right arrows to move through the page.  Interacting is confusing at first but 
not bad once you get used to it.  If you need a more in depth explanation of 
interacting, let us know.

Thanks,
Greg

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> Hello Ray Foret,
> 
>  All the directions say VO + left or right should work.  However, it only 
> beeps if you do that.  And I don't know why.  Even the up and down arrow 
> cause it to beep.
> 
>   Actually, this is my first Mac, and I had to re-label my bumblebee 
> keyboard.
> 
> 
>   Thanks!
> 
> 
> On Friday, January 10, 2014 2:51:06 PM UTC-5, Ray Foret jr wrote:
> April, sounds like you need to relax and try this.
> 
> IF you press VO+left or right, you can navigate any web page usually just 
> fine with voice OVer.  I will not nor can I provide step by step instructions 
> for every little operation.  That’s not the best way to learn Voice OVer 
> anyhow.  The best way is the way you started:  by just doing it.  So, let me 
> give you the following things.
> 
> 1.  Do you know what I mean by pressing VO+left or VO+right?  What I mean is 
> the key combination of control+Option+left, right up or down arrow.  So, 
> whenever someone here tells you to press say VO+right, for exampel, what they 
> will mean is that you should press control+Option+left or right.  Surely, you 
> know the Apple keyboard enough to know that your option key is right next to 
> your control key and on its right.
> 
> Pressing VO+space will be the usual way to click on a web page link or 
> activate something.  In some cases, however, the return key will be used to 
> open some web streams.  That is a case by case thing you’ll just have to play 
> with it.
> 
> 2.  Keyboard help.  To get in to keyboard help, press VO+k.  Now, with 
> keyboard help on, you can type what ever you wish to type and you will be 
> informed what each key or group of keys does and this includes many Voice 
> Over commands also.  To get out of keyboard help, press escape.
> 
> 3.  To get help with Voice Over at any time, press VO+h.  For a list of all 
> Voice OVer commands, Press VO+h twice.
> 
> That should help to get you started good.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Jan 10, 2014, at 1:43 PM, April Brown  wrote:
> 
>> Please help me.
>> 
>> I can design a website with HTML and CSS sheets, working links, and shopping 
>> cart, and  can't figure out how to make VoiceOver work.
>> 
>> I've probably read every online manual I can find.  And still, it's a no go.
>> 
>> I spent probably two hours on it today.  Somehow, it did almost work in Mail.
>> 
>> As for the Internet.  I tried every key combination listed in all the web 
>> manuals I down loaded and printed to no avail.  Sure, it would the top line 
>> that says  "
>> File, Edit,"  etc...  One time, I even got it to read the left pane in 
>> Twitter.  I still cannot get it to read posts in Twitter, these forums, 
>> Google Plus, or Facebook.
>> 
>> Can someone please treat this old web designer like someone who has never 
>> turned on a computer and tell me the steps to use VoiceOver to read a simple 
>> webpage.  I figure, if I can learn to use it on Twitter, I can figure the 
>> rest out.  If I can just figure out how to get it to leap from the menu bar 
>> to the web page.
>> 
>> Than k you,
>> 
>> April Brown
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Re: buying mp3 from amazon.com

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You’ll need to download the amazon mp3 downloader from their site.  
Installation is fairly simple.  The only other trick to know is that after you 
click on the buy button, go up to the top of the page to confirm the purchase.  

Best of luck.

-Greg

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> Hi,
> I’ve bought mp3 files from amazon.com before under windows, but not sure how 
> to do it using the mac.  
> Any tips or suggestions?  Is there an app you download or is it done somehow 
> via itunes?
> Thanks,
> Don
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Re: VoiceOver and Numbers: Negative Numbers

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Hi Nick and all,
I have punctuation set at “Most” and in Numbers when I have negative dollar 
amounts VO says dash before the dollar amount, as in dash $125.00.  

When I change the verbosity setting to some punctuation, I get no indication 
that the negative sign, or dash, is there.

Hope this helps.

-Greg

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> Hi there
> Do you have voice over so that it is set for most punctuation?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Nicholas Parsons 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I've noticed when a cell is formatted as currency, VoiceOver doesn't 
>> indicate whether the number is negative or positive. Obviously, an 
>> indication of positive isn't necessary or desirable, but it's really 
>> important that VoiceOver indicates if a number is negative. Does anyone know 
>> any solution or work around for this? Has it been reported to Apple 
>> Accessibility?
>> Cheers,
>> Nic
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Re: rumola

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It is working for me using Safari 7 and Mavericks.

On Dec 10, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Patrick Neazer  wrote:

> Hello Everyone:
> 
> I was wondering if people were still having success using rumola the safari 
> extension. when I take a look at the website it indicates that it works with 
> safari version 5.5. is that the case or will it work on later versions. 
> 
> Take good care and I wish you enough.
> 
> Patrick 
> 
> PS. I am using computers with safari 6.* and 7.*.
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Renaming a table in the new Numbers using Mavericks

[Greg Aikens]

Hi all,
I used to use the Inspector to change the names of tables in Numbers but am no 
longer able to do so with Mavericks and the new version of Numbers.  I see many 
of the old features from the inspector in the format area, including a checkbox 
that is called “Table Name,” but don’t see any way to change the table name. 
When I hit Cmd+Option+I to open the inspector, Voiceover says “Show Inspector” 
but my cursor isn’t put into the inspector window and I’m not sure how to get 
to it.  

Does anyone have any tips?

Thanks,
Greg


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Re: Can't Expand Conversations in Mail

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I’m also having this problem but am able to expand the message with VO+Space.  
Left arrow works to collapse it.  Not sure why this is happening.



On Nov 25, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

> Hi everyone, I'm stumped by an issue my partner is having on her Macbook Air 
> and wonder if anyone can tell me what I'm missing?
> When I'm in a list of email messages grouped by conversation, pressing 
> right-arrow on my Air expands that conversation and lets me down-arrow 
> through the individual messages. But on my partner's computer, group by 
> conversation is selected in the View Menu, and conversations are collapsed. 
> When we press right-arrow to expand the conversation, we get the error ding. 
> I've tried enabling and disabling the toolbar, hiding and showing the mailbox 
> list, and all kinds of other stuff, but no matter what I do I can't get 
> right-arrow to expand the conversations. Yes, quick-nav is definitely off, 
> and I've tried both interacting with the table and not. I can't immediately 
> see a difference between my system and hers and it works for me and not for 
> her. We're both running Mavericks.
> Anyone got any ideas?
> Thanks.
> Jonathan Mosen
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Re: Track Changes or Text Attributes with Pages

[Greg Aikens]

Anne,
I might be interested in something like this.  I have been disappointed in my 
inability to master Pages on Mac as well as I have MS Word on Windows, but I 
see you post about many of the things I have found frustrating.  Do you have a 
description anywhere listing what kind of materials are in each unit?

Thanks,
Greg



On Nov 13, 2013, at 12:20 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Ibraheem,
> 
> My husband and I teach a Pages course via Skype and teamviewer. We’re 
> currently updating the materials for Mavericks and the new Pages.
> 
> We charge €25 per unit and there are 5 units. However, not everyone wants all 
> the units.
> 
> The price is in euros because we live in France and, of course, you have to 
> take into consideration time differences between France and wherever you are.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 13 Nov 2013, at 17:57, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Anne!
>> 
>> Wait, you have a course? Is it posted online? Can you link me to it?
>> 
>> Peace,
>> 
>> Ibraheem
>> 
>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Fantastic, that's great news, Anne! Thanks for letting me know… I'm going 
>>> to have to get around to taking your course one of these days—perhaps once 
>>> you've had a chance to update the materials in light of the new versions.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nic
>>> On 13/11/2013, at 9:15 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Nic,
>>> 
>>> Tracking changes is working much better in the new version of Pages. It 
>>> tells you whether the change is an addition or a deletion, but I haven’t 
>>> yet figured out how to find formatting changes.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 16:04, Nicholas Parsons  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Unfortunately, to my knowledge VoiceOver still does not work fully with 
 track changes. Track changes do not only highlight changes, but it also 
 indicates whether the change is a deletion or an addition, or a format 
 change. Anne Robertson, who is the guru on Pages with VoiceOver and on 
 this list can probably give you more information. I believe she was able 
 to get some use from track changes but it's not fully accessible.
 Best,
 Nic
 On 13 Nov 2013, at 1:44 am, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> I’ve been working on a document which has been past through several 
> people with the track changes feature turned on. To my understanding, 
> there’s suppose to be a purple highlight on any changes made to the 
> document. As I’m in pages, I noticed the view file pop up which contains 
> an option to view markups or view markups and deletions. I chose to view 
> markups. I know that in order to check text attributes we press VO + T. 
> However, this only works for text which VO is focused on. Is there a way 
> to have VO jump to the next change in text attributes? I'm dreading the 
> thought of having to check line by line with the vo + t command.
> Thanks!
> 
> Ibraheem
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Re: Solving captures on a mac?

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Are there any other text boxes to fill in on the page?  It usually starts 
working whenever I start filling in the form.


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On Nov 7, 2013, at 7:37 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I’ve installed this extension, and I’m currently focused on an edit box into 
> which the solution to a captcha is supposed to go. What do I do? According to 
> Safari’s extensions preferences, there are no settings to configure, so do I 
> just wait? Is there a keystroke I need to use? Any help would be great. 
> Thanks.
> On Oct 23, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
>  wrote:
> 
>> You can get Rumola from:
>> http://skipinput.com
>> It's a Safari extension. It fills in CAPTCHAs automatically for you. There's 
>> a trial version and then I think it's something ridiculously cheap like 99 
>> cents for 99 solutions. I've never had to top up since installing it so now 
>> I can't remember. :)
>> Best,
>> Nic
>> 
>> On 24/10/2013, at 1:37 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Please tell me Nick where to get that from?
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> Sent from my I phone
>> 
>> On 23 Oct 2013, at 03:36 pm, Nicholas Parsons 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I use Rumola to solve CAPTCHAs. It's fantastic.
>>> 
>>> On 23/10/2013, at 11:00 AM, Rob  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear List,
>>> How do you solve captures
>>> on a mac?
>>> On my PC I use Firefox and Webvisum.
>>> I  have not received my ordered  macbook yet, but I wanted to know the 
>>> answer.
>>> I also would like to know if any of you are using the password app called 
>>> Keepass on a mac?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Rob
>>> You can leave me a voice mail or fax at
>>> 206-426-3505
>>> "God is good all the time, & All the time God is good"
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Re: Copying files to another mailbox

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Select the message or messages you want to move, then press VO+Shift+M to bring 
up a context menu.  "Move to" is one of the options.  Press right arrow to get 
into a list of mailboxes and select the one you want and press enter.  

Hope this helps.

-Greg


On Nov 3, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi y'all
> I have discovered a way to lose messages in mail when going from one box to 
> the other. It used to be that you could press command X and you could cut 
> files from one box to the other. I just discovered that I better use commands 
> see if I want to do this, and then take the extra step to delete the file 
> from the first box. Every time I do command X, I get an error message to send 
> to Apple. Not only that, but I was the file as well. Maybe I wouldn't have 
> lost it if I had not decided to write a comment field. Maybe it wouldn't have 
> lost it if I had chosen reopen it instead of doing that. Are there any better 
> methods for moving a file from one box to the other than the one I have been 
> doing for quite a while Under Mountain Lion?
> Regards,
> Gigi
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Re: Pleading, begging and groveling for hhelp once again: bookshare troubles

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Just a thought: Several of us had a similar problem a while ago.  The fix was 
to go into the Preferences in Safari, choose the Advanced tab, and then check 
the box that says "Show Develop menu."  Then, go into the Develop menu from the 
menu bar and select "Disable Local File Restrictions."  For whatever reason, 
the default was to not allow local files to be opened in safari.  

Hope this helps.

-Greg



On Oct 29, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Christine Grassman  wrote:

> Good day/night all. I have written to bookshare support about this twice, but 
> surprisingly for bookshare, no one has gotten back to me.
> 
> Since the reinstallation of ML on my MacBook, I cannot open bookshare titles 
> which I previously read.  Unread files open fine, but those I had already 
> opened are registering as "empty html". I erased all of the files of one of 
> these books, then redownloaded to see if this would make a difference.  It 
> did not.
> I do have the book in Read2Go and in Voice Dream, but there does not appear 
> to be a way to sync it to my MacBook using iTunes. Since I need it for lesson 
> planning with my students and reading it with them in class, I cannot use 
> Read2Go; I must have it on my MacBook.
> If anyone can suggest a reason for this issue  and a workaround, I would 
> appreciate it. 
> Christine
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Re: Pandora, edit station details

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Hi Traci,
You can delete a station from within Piano Pub.  Select the station by double 
clicking with the track pad like you would do to play it.  Then, stop 
interacting with the stations table and VO+right arrow until you hear "Dash 
button."  This lets you delete the station.

Hope this helps.

-Greg


On Oct 27, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

> Hi, thanks for the feedback.  :)
> 
> I’m in the US and I’m enjoying iRadio, but so far, Pandora is winning me 
> over.  I use it just fine on my iDevices.  For now, piano pub will have to 
> suffice on the Mac.
> 
> Thanks again,
> Traci
> 
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> 
>> Hey Traci,
>> 
>> It is a very unpleasant sight to deal with.  I don’t understand why you 
>> aren’t seeing anything however.  You should be able to find a lot of 
>> clickable elements with vo.  You do have to have flash installed, but if you 
>> don’t, I would think you would be getting a screen telling you as much.  You 
>> might try hitting space bar just to see if it stops or starts playing.
>> 
>> I don’t know where you are, but if you can use iTunes radio, I would 
>> strongly recommend doing that.
>> 
>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When you say the web player, do you mean navigating to pandora.com?
>> 
>> Whenever I go there, I can’t get anywhere.  There is a splash screen at the 
>> top that I’m unable to do anything with.  How do you log in to begin playing?
>> 
>> I don’t have flash installed, do you?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 1:08 PM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
>> 
>>> Traci,
>>> 
>>> It has occurred to me that I might should have gone in to a little more 
>>> detail. I’m assuming you are using the web player.
>>> 
>>> Click options then station details.  I’m assuming that at this point what I 
>>> described earlier is still true.  It looks the same to me anyway.  I also 
>>> noticed after checking it out jest now, that it isn’t in the profile 
>>> section as it use to be.
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, which app are you using for Pandora?
>>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Traci,
 
 There is a button to the right of the heading that it invisible to 
 Voiceover.  When I used Pandora, the only way I found to delete seeds or 
 thumbs is to put vo on the heading, route the mouse to it, then move the 
 mouse over to the right until clicking would remove what I was wanting.  
 It takes some trial and error.
 
 
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 Hello,
 
 Does anyone know of a way to edit their Pandora stations on the Mac?  I 
 want to go in and delete some of my station seeds.
 
 Thank you,
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Re: entering text in numbers (without deleting previous content!)

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Press option+enter on a cell to enter the cell to edit it.  This will work for 
text, but for editing a formula, highlight the cell in question and press 
VO+Shift+F3 to turn off cursor tracking.  Then stop interacting with the 
table/layout area and use VO+Left arrow to navigate to the formula editor.  
Interact with this field and you should be able to use normal text navigation 
commands to edit your formula.  Don't forget to turn cursor tracking back on 
once you are done.

Best of luck.

-Greg
On Oct 16, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Nina Schneidermann  wrote:

> Hi guys,
> I've encountered a somewhat annoying problem with numbers. When I need to 
> revise some text that I've entered into a cell, it deletes the text that's 
> already in the cell. For instance, if I enter a formula and find out that 
> I've written one digid wrong, I need to enter it all again because it deletes 
> the text that's already in the cell when I type new text.
> Is there a simple solution to this? I've looked through the menues and can't 
> find a hotkey for text cell navigation, but I might just be blind. Haha.
> Kind regards, Nina
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Accessible video conferencing/presentation software

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Hello all,
Does anyone have a recommendation for a good, accessible with VO, video 
conferencing software?  I'm looking for something that will support maybe 40 
people or so and I would like to be able to share documents or a slideshow 
presentation if possible.  Does google hangout do this?  And has anyone had 
success using it with VO?  My experience with google hangout has been limited 
but I have struggled to even find the button to start the live feed in a 
hangout sometimes.  

Any tips and recommendations are welcome.

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Re: ChromeVox weirdness

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Hi Phil,
My mistake if I misunderstand you, but when you use chromevox, you do not use 
the standard VO commands or even need to interact with a web page.  I would use 
safari to look up the Chrome Vox commands to learn how to navigate using 
chromevox.  It takes some getting used to.  
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On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:

> I just installed ChromeVox via  the ChromeVox.com website. It was installed 
> okay, and now I get that stupid swooshing sound, but I can't interact with 
> any html on any page I try to visit. All I get is the toolbar, some bookmark 
> stuff, a few tabs and a close button at the very bottom of the window. I 
> can't bring up the chrome help files from the menus  either. Basically, 
> chrome, which seemed to work okay before, is now less than useless. Any ideas 
> how I can get chrome to work as a web browser again? I can't even get into 
> the extensions page to manage the extension.
> any and all ideas welcome.
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Re: keystroke to jump to message body in Apple Mail compose window?

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Why not just hit VO+Shift+End (VO+Shift+ FN+Right Arrow on my Macbook Pro)?  As 
long as you don't interact with the To and CC fields, this should take you 
straight to the body.  Just interact with it and start typing.

-Greg

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On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:52 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Wow, that does work. Thanks! Yes, it only works from the "to" field here as 
> well, but it's better than nothing.
> On Oct 2, 2013, at 3:57 AM, Red.Falcon  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> OK I've just had a go and if you go from [to field] to [subject field] you 
>> have to tab!
>> But for some reason if you go back to [CC/BCC field] hitting VO+j takes you 
>> in to the main body!
>> HTH Colin
>> 
>> On 2 Oct 2013, at 04:15, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> as far as I know, there is no shortcut.  You just have to tab to the body.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I feel like I saw this once, but maybe not. Is there a keystroke to jump 
>>>> straight to the message body when you are writing a new message? Often I 
>>>> just want to fill in the first two fields, then start typing, instead of 
>>>> tabbing past the headers, from, and signature options. As I said, maybe I 
>>>> dreamed this or something, but I thought there was a way to do this. 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Have a great day,
>>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>>> mehg...@gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: Learning ally & VoiceOver-MAC

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Yes, you need to download the Learning Ally Audio book manager to do this.  
When you run it, it syncs with the LA website and your bookshelf and gives you 
the option of downloading anything on your bookshelf.  

You will also need the Learning Ally read here app to play the books on your 
mac.  Both of these apps are available from the learning ally website.  The 
process can be a little cumbersome, but it is definitely doable.  

Good luck.  Let us know if you have more questions.

-Greg

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Teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired
Cobb County School District
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On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:45 PM, Robin  wrote:

> Is there a way to download your Learning Ally TextBooks on a MACBook PRO, and 
> efficiently navigate it using only VoiceOver? I seem to recall that somewhere 
> on Learning Ally's WebSite, which implied that it is indeed possible.
> 
> Has anyone on this list done so? If so, I will greatly appreciate it if you 
> would share your experiences.
> 
> THANK YOU 4 taking the TIME 2 READ/RESPOND 2 my EMAIL, it IS GREATLY 
> appreciated!
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Re: Pages & APA Writing Style

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Hi Robin,
It is definitely possible to create your own and edit APA style documents in 
Pages.  This was the style guide of choice when I completed my masters in 
education last year and I did most of my own formatting.  I know that someone 
on this list also has an APA template you can use as well.  The biggest thing 
to learn about is using the inspector in pages to manage all of your 
formatting, etc.  Use Command+Option+I to bring up the inspector and explore 
all of the line spacing, paragraph style, and list settings under the text tab. 
 Also, you can use command+T to pull up a font window that allows you to make 
changes there as well.  

Let us know if you have more specific questions.

-Greg

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> Is it possible for VoiceOver users on the MAC to compose/edit APA writing 
> style documents IN Pages? If so, are there any guides/tutorials for TOTALLY 
> BLIND VoiceOver users of the MAC?
> 
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Re: editing text in Marsedit

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Hi Phil,
I have not used it much but the proofreading function on the mac will catch 
this extra white space.  I access this by pressing VO+Shift+M to pull up a 
context menu and arrowing down to the proofreading sub menu.  I agree that the 
Spell/Grammar check in MS word does seem to be a more efficient alternative if 
you have access to windows because the one function addresses all your mistakes 
at once.  I also like the feature to see the word/mistake in context when using 
MS Word so I can more easily tell what the correction should be.  As far as I 
can tell, the only way to see this on the mac is to close the spell check 
window and find where the cursor is in the document, which is only sometimes 
reliable.  Maybe I'm not doing it right though…


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On Sep 5, 2013, at 8:32 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:

> I don't understand why having extra spaces between words is so unheard of. I 
> do a lot of editing as I write, and it's inevitable that some extra spaces 
> are left here and there. MS word's spellchecker will find and eliminate all 
> this extraneous white space. There seems to be no equivalent function on the 
> Mac's spell checking functions. Perhaps people just aren't aware that their 
> text is peppered with these little, mostly visual, editing errors. 
> 
> For now, I do my writing in windows MS-Word and spell check there, then copy 
> and paste into theMarsEdit app for publishing. It works well and isn't really 
> too much extra bother considering the superior functionality I get this way.
> 
> On Sep 5, 2013, at 8:24 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Just to be sure, you know the Mac can spell-check, right? I'm not trying to 
>> tell you how to work, I'm just making sure you know what tools you have 
>> available.
>> On Sep 5, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>>> Actually, I'm finding it much easier to write my posts in Word and use it's 
>>> excellent spellchecker To correct any whitespace problems. I then use 
>>> Marzett it to do the publishing.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2013, at 5:13 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> My first thought is to just do a search (vo-f) for two spaces. I suppose 
>>>> you could make, or ask someone to make, an Applescript to do the job, if 
>>>> Mars Edit can be scripted, but it seems far easier to simply become more 
>>>> comfortable with mac commands so the extra spaces don't appear in the 
>>>> first place. If you describe the procedure you use for copying, pasting, 
>>>> and all that, perhaps we can figure out how the extra spaces are getting 
>>>> in there.
>>>> On Sep 5, 2013, at 1:41 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> It's nothing the Mac is doing. It's purely the way I type, cut  and paste 
>>>>> text.
>>>>> That being settled, how can I check for extra whitespace in the text? It  
>>>>> looks sloppy and unprofessional at best.
>>>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 5, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are you highlighting spaces as well? I've never had extra spaces 
>>>>>> randomly appear; any additional or missing spaces are due to the way I 
>>>>>> selected or erased text, not the Mac deciding to insert them without my 
>>>>>> knowledge.
>>>>>> On Sep 5, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No, it's definitely happening. As you cut and paste words and do other 
>>>>>>> editing options you get extra spaces between words you can actually 
>>>>>>> count them with the cursor. I'm thinking about using Microsoft office 
>>>>>>> word to write my blogs and spellcheck them and me and then let Marsetta 
>>>>>>> do the posting.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 4, 2013, at 10:15 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I've never had this happen in emails, Text Edit, iText Express, or 
>>>>>>>> anywhere else I can think of. Are you sure it is not a mars Edit 
>>>>>>>> setting, or that you are not somehow re-reading whitespace characters? 
>

Re: How VO-friendly is Blackboard with Safari?

[Greg Aikens]

I can't speak to the accessibility from an instructor's point of view, but both 
my grad school and current employer use blackboard as a way of posting info.  
Most things are accessible, even though some may be cumbersome.  Finding files 
to download and announcements are fairly simple to do.  Posting to discussion 
boards and managing threads are more cumbersome but doable.  Hope this is 
helpful.

-Greg

On Aug 24, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:

> Hi.
> I would like to know this as well, as my girlfriend is possibly getting a mac 
> and has to use blackboard.
> 
> Matt Dierckens
> matt.dierck...@gmail.com
> 
> IOS and Macintosh User support, Windsor area
> Sight Substitution Centre
> 
> On 2013-08-24, at 11:51 AM, Jamie Pauls  wrote:
> 
>> Greetings, all:
>> 
>> I teach a music appreciation class at a local community college in my area. 
>> This semester, I am required to use Blackboard in the instruction of my 
>> class. Fortunately, I am not required to use many of the functions of 
>> Blackboard. A very basic use of the system is all that is required. While 
>> Blackboard is definitely accessible on Windows especially when using NVDA 
>> and Jaws, it takes quite a bit of work to really learn to use the system 
>> with a screen reader. I am perfectly happy to use Windows to access 
>> Blackboard unless the site works significantly better with Safari on the 
>> Mac. Are there any instructors on this list who can shed some light on the 
>> subject? The student perspective is welcome as well, but I especially wish 
>> to hear from instructors. I've been a part of mailing lists long enough to 
>> not be upset by dead silence, so if nobody has any words of wisdom for me, I 
>> am ok with a complete lack of response on this thread.
>> 
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Re: URL

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Could you use Command+L to get to the address bar and copy the URL from there?


On Aug 18, 2013, at 9:21 AM, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have to cite the URL of an article in a research paper.
> However, I can't figure out how to determine the URL.
> I generally access that article by searching for the title on Google.
> I know the address of the website.  But how can I determine the
> precise URL of that article?
> 
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> Rahul
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Re: problem reading brf files on mac

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'This worked beautifully.  I knew that uncontracted was what I wanted, I just 
missed the eight dot option.  Thanks for the tip on capitalization as well.

-Greg

On Aug 3, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Hi, Greg,
> 
> Go into vO Utility, Braille, layout tab and turn 'on eight-dot Braille. This 
> should fix the problem. This checkbox only appears when contractions are 
> turned off. Also, another reason contractions have to be turned off is that 
> the file has already been translated. In the case of brf files from NLS, the 
> text is all upper-case, so you may want to go to edit/transformations once 
> you highlight all the text and make it lower-case.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> On Aug 3, 2013, at 9:05 AM, Greg Aikens  wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> It's been a while since I tried to read a brf on my mac using a braille 
>> display.  I thought that I should be able to open it in text edit and turn 
>> off braille contractions and be good to go, but for some reason that isn't 
>> working right.
>> 
>> For some reason VO isn't representing the braille symbols correctly.  
>> Dropped symbols, such as the symbol for con or in have a number sign in 
>> front of them, as if they were the numbers 3 and 9.  It mangles other 
>> contractions even worse.  As far as I can tell, this is a VO or braille 
>> display problem and not just bad transcription.  I can't actually navigate 
>> to the number sign in front of these symbols, which tells me there isn't 
>> actually a number sign in the brf file.  I tried it with two files, a book 
>> from BARD and a practice exam from the National Certification in Literary 
>> Braille Test.  Both had the same problems.  
>> 
>> I'm running the latest update of mountain lion with VO and a Brailleconnect 
>> 32 bluetooth display.  My braille translation table is just plain english 
>> but the problem persisted even when I switched to UEB.
>> 
>> Has anyone run into a similar problem?  What settings might I change to fix 
>> this?
>> 
>> Thanks for any help.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Greg
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problem reading brf files on mac

[Greg Aikens]

Hello all,
It's been a while since I tried to read a brf on my mac using a braille 
display.  I thought that I should be able to open it in text edit and turn off 
braille contractions and be good to go, but for some reason that isn't working 
right.

For some reason VO isn't representing the braille symbols correctly.  Dropped 
symbols, such as the symbol for con or in have a number sign in front of them, 
as if they were the numbers 3 and 9.  It mangles other contractions even worse. 
 As far as I can tell, this is a VO or braille display problem and not just bad 
transcription.  I can't actually navigate to the number sign in front of these 
symbols, which tells me there isn't actually a number sign in the brf file.  I 
tried it with two files, a book from BARD and a practice exam from the National 
Certification in Literary Braille Test.  Both had the same problems.  

I'm running the latest update of mountain lion with VO and a Brailleconnect 32 
bluetooth display.  My braille translation table is just plain english but the 
problem persisted even when I switched to UEB.

Has anyone run into a similar problem?  What settings might I change to fix 
this?

Thanks for any help.

Best,
Greg

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Re: Beta testers needed for accessible Mud Client

[Greg Aikens]

I have been fairly satisfied with tintin for mac, but I would be interested in 
testing your client as well.

-Greg

On Jun 4, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

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Re: pages inquiry

[Greg Aikens]

Hi Robert,
Two tips to help you out:

Use command+T in Pages to pull up the font dialog box.  You can then change any 
of your font attributes from here.

Use Command+Option+I to open the inspector window for your document.  The 
inspector has a number of layered tabs you can use to navigate through your 
various options.  There is a tab for changing text features, including color, 
line spacing, tab size, etc.  

Using these two strategies I was able to format my papers in APA style in grad 
school.

Best of luck,
Greg
On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Robert Hooper  
wrote:

> Hello:
>  
> It’s been a long time since anyone on list has heard from me. I am doing 
> well, although university life keeps me constantly weighed down. Anyway, one 
> of the few things holding me back from a complete transition from Windows to 
> Mac OS is Pages—if I could solidly rely on a word processor on the Mac side, 
> I would be much closer to abandoning Windows and Microsoft Office. So, I have 
> a few questions.
>  
> Recently, I tried to write a sample APA-formatted document. I successfully 
> set the font, however I ran into a few issues with the rest of the 
> formatting. I found that when I leave the “body” edit field and return to it, 
> I must press VO+shift+space to simulate a mouse click before I can type or 
> navigate within the text field. Also, although some formatting commands work 
> when typing (i.e. italic toggle, bold toggle, etc.), when I leave the “layout 
> area” and navigate amongst the various options with Voiceover, everything 
> appears to be dimmed, including the option to toggle italics, bold, etc. I 
> tried to change the line spacing and modify other things, but literally 
> everything was dimmed, even the majority of the options in the menus. I 
> thought that this might be because the mouse had to be focused in the edit 
> field before changes can be made; I thought this because keystrokes to turn 
> italics and bold text on and off worked when I was typing in the body field.
> Even after fiddling with some VO cursor tracking options, I still encountered 
> these issues. So, in short, how does one use Pages? I’m sure I could learn 
> keystrokes for every action, but I’m out of luck if I go browsing through the 
> various options, unsure of exactly what I wish to change. I will do some 
> fiddling, but I would like to get this figured out. Here’s what I need to do 
> to set up an APA-style document.
>  
> The font needs to be 12-point and Times New Roman. The document needs to be 
> double-spaced, with a 0pt “spacing after” option (no extra spacing between 
> paragraphs). The document needs to have a running header and a plain page 
> number in the top right corner of each page. All margins must be set to one 
> inch.
> So, how do I do all that? Those are the general guidelines for the initial 
> set up of an APA-style document. Of course, there are countless rules 
> regarding writing style, formatting of figures, equations, numbers, 
> abbreviations, etc. I should note that I don’t want a template—a template 
> teaches me nothing; I need to figure out how to change these settings myself, 
> and build my own template, if I so desire. I appreciate anyone’s input on 
> this matter.
> Thanks,
> Robert Hooper
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Re: Good News about Safari and Bookshare XML Files

[Greg Aikens]

Harry, this is genius.  This worked perfectly.  I still don't know why Safari 
only blocks new bookshare files but now I can read them.  

To show the develop menu in the menu bar, go to the Preferences dialog from the 
Safari menu.  Select the Advanced tab and you will find the option to show the 
develop menu.  

Thank you so much for sharing this Harry.

-Greg
On Nov 4, 2012, at 10:27 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:

> Hello, guys,
> 
> I know I, and others, and been having issues reading .xml files from 
> Bookshare in Safari.  Sometimes, these files will load as blank within 
> Safari.  I decided to load the .xml file in my Internet Explorer on the 
> Windows side of my computer, and it brought up an error that said it could 
> not load properly.  I said to try and find a solution and report the problem 
> to Microsoft, and that fixed the problem.
> 
> So I went back to the Mac side and Safari, still totally lost.  The file 
> loaded as blank.  I went to the develop menu and emptied the cash, just in 
> case that could make a difference.  It didn't.  Then I say the option to 
> "Disable local file restriction" which was not checked.  I checked this box, 
> and refreshed the page with cmd-F5, and the book loaded without problems.  I 
> am really happy about this, since I can now read my book in Spanish that I 
> have been trying to for some time.
> 
> I hope this is helpful to some others who may have experienced something 
> similar.  Please note that the "Develop" menu is not enabled by default, and 
> do not think, but it escapes me at the moment how to enable it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Trouble reading new bookshare books in xml format

[Greg Aikens]

Hi all,
I know there have been a few threads on accessing bookshare books in xml format 
over the last month or so, but I wanted to follow up to see if anyone had found 
a solution to the problem I am encountering.  

I can read bookshare books that I downloaded months ago just fine in the xml 
format, but for some reason the books I just downloaded only open an empty file 
in safari.  I'm not sure why that would be unless something has changed about 
the way bookshare is formatting their files.  Also, when I download a book, it 
no longer comes in a zip file, but is downloaded as a folder and ready to go.  

Any thoughts as to why I am not able to open these new books would be 
appreciated.  I am running the latest update to mountain lion.  

Thanks for your help.

-Greg

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Re: pandora solutions?

[Greg Aikens]

I am also using Piano Pub on ML with no problems.  

-Greg
On Aug 29, 2012, at 5:22 PM, brianna Snyder  wrote:

> Hi, 
> 
> I should have clarified. I use PianoPub, and I run Mountain Lion. It works as 
> good as it ever did. Make sure you've got the latest version. 
> 
> Brianna 
> 
> On Aug 29, 2012, at 4:23 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> ok, but with Piano Pub?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "brianna Snyder" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 1:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: pandora solutions?
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Pandora still works for me.
>>> 
>>> Brianna
>>> 
>>> On Aug 29, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 I have Piano Pub for pandora, but it doesn't seem to work on ML. So, what 
 else do people use for Pandora? I heard there are keyboard shortcuts on 
 the website, but what are they and do they work iwth vo on Safari? Thanks.
 
 
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Re: Easiest Way to Read Bookshare Books in Mountain Lion

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One way to get around this is to set a web spot at the place you left off.  I 
haven't tried this under ML but in Lion it worked inconsistently and often I 
would forget to set a web spot when I finished reading, but it is better than 
nothing.  

-Greg
On Aug 12, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

> Thanks, Harry. I was wondering if you used Safari. Seems to me that means you 
> can't pick up where you left off in a book, right? That would be a big 
> drawback, I would think. How do you work around that/
> 
> Mary
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Re: Easiest Way to Read Bookshare Books in Mountain Lion

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Check the archives for more in depth tips on this, but I'm still just opening 
the xml file in Safari and reading it with VO.  Maybe I'm still in the dark 
ages.  If others have better solutions, please enlighten me.  

-Greg
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> Hi, all,
> 
> I don't have the money to upgrade my VMWare Fusion at the moment, otherwise I 
> would read my Bookshare books through Kurzweil 1000, like normal.  I think a 
> few of you said you read your Bookshare books on the Mac, and I was wondering 
> how you did this?  The one solution I saw mentioned on bookshare.org said 
> that the Mac software wasn't recommended to be sued with screen-readers, or 
> something.
> 
> Help is appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: Mailboxes/Folders in ML Mail

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Hi Jeff,
There are a handful of us who have had this problem in ML.  There were one or 
two threads about how to expand these mailboxes, if you want to search the 
archives.  Several solutions were presented but the one that worked for me was 
to go to my mailboxes table, use VO + down arrow to navigate past the trash 
folder to the name of the account I was looking for, interact with the name of 
the account, and press VO + \.  When you find the name of the account, it 
should say something like collapsed disclosure triangle.  If it works, VO will 
tell you that the folder has been expanded.  

I tried VO + \ several times before it actually worked.  I also tried switching 
to classic view temporarily.  I'm not sure if that made a difference.  

Best of luck,

Greg  
On Aug 2, 2012, at 6:56 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:

> I have four or fie email accounts that are accessed in ML Mail.  Prior to 
> upgrading to ML, I was able to access the individual folders under each 
> account.  For example, I have 8 or nine folders under my main email account.  
> Despite trying everything I can think of, I cannot expand my mailboxes to 
> show me these folders.  Does anybody know where I might be able to go to get 
> them to show up?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
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Re: speakable items?

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You can try calibration through trial and error.  Just move the control one way 
and if it seems less responsive than before, move it the other way. :)

Seems crude but you can definitely do it without sighted assistance.


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> Hi list.
> 
> haven't really read any emails lately so I appologize if this has already 
> been covered.  Has anyone had a chance to play with the speakable items?  I 
> set it up and got the computer to tell me what time it was etc by holding 
> down the escape key.  All of a sudden though it stopped working.  dictation 
> still works but I can't get the speakable items to work no matter whether i 
> use the setting to always listen for the word computer or holding down the 
> escape key.  Any ideas?  Went in to calibrate but I think i may need some 
> sighted help for that one?  Or is there a way to do it successfully?
> Apart from that, I'm loving mountain lion and I'm sure there is still heaps 
> to learn.
> 
> thanks
> 
> God Bless! Maria from australia
>  Newbie mac user.
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   
> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
> 
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Re: Weird mail problem with Mountain Kitty

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Gigi,
I was having this same problem.  NO matter how many people suggested that I use 
VO \, it just wouldn't open for me.  But, I did a couple of things and was able 
to fix my problem.  I'm not exactly sure which of these did it, so maybe you 
can try them all?

First, I switched to classic view.  I then went to my list of mailboxes and 
when I got to the collapsed account, I interacted with it and tried VO \ on it. 
 This worked to expand the collapsed folder structure.  I then went back to 
modern view and tried it a few times and it also worked to interact first and 
then try VO \.  Not sure why this worked, but it did.  

I would try interacting with the collapsed folder and then hitting VO \.  I 
don't really think switching to classic view did anything for me.  

I hope this works for you like it did for me.  I was very frustrated before 
this worked.

-Greg

On Jul 27, 2012, at 6:50 AM, Gigi  wrote:

> Hi guys
> Well, last night I had to call the 877 number to talk to them about this 
> weird problem. It is being referred to the engineering people. Because, the 
> screens of the siding people are just like ours but they can use, of course, 
> there are Mousas to go over the thing to select it. I just got told last 
> night there's no way to do it with voiceover. I am supposed to get a phone 
> call about this later. He asked me if I wanted to get an email or phone call. 
> For right now, I canceled all the rules I head. That way, at least I can get 
> everything in my inbox. Of course, I can also get mail on my iPhone 
> fortunately.
> Regards
> Gigi 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:42 PM, Greg Aikens  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I am having the same problem.  My inbox is expanded so that I see the 
>> separate inboxes for my separate accounts.  However, I can't see the list of 
>> folders under each account.  These used to appear below my trash folder in 
>> the list of mailboxes.  In Lion, I could hide these folders by clicking on a 
>> disclosure triangle for each account.  Using VO+down arrow on the list of 
>> mailboxes allows me to move past the trash folder to items with the names of 
>> my email accounts and a disclosure triangle.  When I interact with these 
>> items to try and press the triangle to expand the list, I can't.  VO+space, 
>> pressing enter, left and right arrows won't do it.  
>> 
>> Any other suggestions?
>> 
>> -Greg
>> 
>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Matthew Campbell  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> Is you're mailbox list expanded?
>>> Go to you inbox which'll be at the top, and hit right arrow. THis'll expand 
>>> the mailboxes for you.
>>> HTH,
>>> Matthew Campbell.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2012-07-26, at 1:09 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi guys. 
>>>> I got Mountain Kitty installed just fine, even though it took forever. I'm 
>>>> really pleased that I could do the installation process myself, but I'm 
>>>> glad also that Les warned us about turning VoiceOver back on after a 
>>>> minute. I almost had heart failure when I pressed command 5 and nothing 
>>>> happened for a second or two. I did have to call that great 877 number 
>>>> last night because a program I thought I had uninstalled insisted on 
>>>> raising up its ugly head, even though I had—I thought—erased all of its 
>>>> files. That took us a while, and the man was very nice and knowledgeable 
>>>> about things. I discovered ast night that I had this weird mail problem, 
>>>> but we couldn't get to that last night. 
>>>> 
>>>> I can't get to all my mailboxes. The one where I have messages sent for 
>>>> this list is one of them. I will need to use iPhone to read anything from 
>>>> this list right now. I can get to my inbox and some others like archives. 
>>>> However, some of the ones I created I can't find. I don't think they're 
>>>> gone—I onepe—because I keep hearing the messages coming in, but I can't 
>>>> reach them unless they're in my inbox. Anybody got any ideas on this one? 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Eugenia Firth
>>>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>>>> 
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Re: interesting behavior with Mail

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I have also observed this.  It will take some getting used to.

-Greg
On Jul 27, 2012, at 1:50 AM, Shen  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I discovered something new with Mail in Mountain Lion. It's not a big thing, 
> but worth keeping in mind.
> First, my Mail is in classic view. When going through a large amount of 
> emails, I usually stay on the subject column since the sender column doesn't 
> always tell me what the email is about.
> My mail is sorted with the oldest at the top and newest on the bottom, but 
> this might not make a difference.
> I start at the top of the table of messages. Typically, when I press delete, 
> the email gets moved away and the next email takes it's place, this is the 
> email below the first email if you press the down arrow key.
> OK, so far, this has been the case with all previous versions of Mail.
> The new twist is that when you press the delete button, the next message that 
> comes under focus depends on which arrow key you last pressed.
> So if the last arrow key you pressed was down, the focus will move down when 
> you press the delete key. However, if your last arrow key was up arrow, be 
> careful, when you press delete, VoiceOver focus moves up and not down.
> Not sure what kind of benefit this provides, but there it is.
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Re: Weird mail problem with Mountain Kitty

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Hi,
I am having the same problem.  My inbox is expanded so that I see the separate 
inboxes for my separate accounts.  However, I can't see the list of folders 
under each account.  These used to appear below my trash folder in the list of 
mailboxes.  In Lion, I could hide these folders by clicking on a disclosure 
triangle for each account.  Using VO+down arrow on the list of mailboxes allows 
me to move past the trash folder to items with the names of my email accounts 
and a disclosure triangle.  When I interact with these items to try and press 
the triangle to expand the list, I can't.  VO+space, pressing enter, left and 
right arrows won't do it.  

Any other suggestions?

-Greg

On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Matthew Campbell  
wrote:

> Hi.
> Is you're mailbox list expanded?
> Go to you inbox which'll be at the top, and hit right arrow. THis'll expand 
> the mailboxes for you.
> HTH,
> Matthew Campbell.
> 
> 
> On 2012-07-26, at 1:09 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys. 
>> I got Mountain Kitty installed just fine, even though it took forever. I'm 
>> really pleased that I could do the installation process myself, but I'm glad 
>> also that Les warned us about turning VoiceOver back on after a minute. I 
>> almost had heart failure when I pressed command 5 and nothing happened for a 
>> second or two. I did have to call that great 877 number last night because a 
>> program I thought I had uninstalled insisted on raising up its ugly head, 
>> even though I had—I thought—erased all of its files. That took us a while, 
>> and the man was very nice and knowledgeable about things. I discovered ast 
>> night that I had this weird mail problem, but we couldn't get to that last 
>> night. 
>> 
>> I can't get to all my mailboxes. The one where I have messages sent for this 
>> list is one of them. I will need to use iPhone to read anything from this 
>> list right now. I can get to my inbox and some others like archives. 
>> However, some of the ones I created I can't find. I don't think they're 
>> gone—I onepe—because I keep hearing the messages coming in, but I can't 
>> reach them unless they're in my inbox. Anybody got any ideas on this one? 
>> 
>> 
>> Eugenia Firth
>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>> 
>> 
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Re: chess?

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You can move up, down, left, and right to get an idea of the visual layout.  
This doesn't give you diagonal information, but it makes the game very 
playable.  
On Jul 7, 2012, at 6:29 PM, Harry Hogue wrote:

> That's what I never understood.  As a blind person, with a physical board, 
> how are we to get a visual layout of the on-screen board?
> 
> And yes, the Chess app is very accessible, what what I remember.  You can 
> even set it up to read the computer's moves automatically.
> 
> On Jul 7, 2012, at 4:59 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
> 
>> Alex,
>> 
>> As far as I know, having been trounced soundly by my Macbook Pro on multiple 
>> occasions, the Chess app works just fine with VO.  I'm, actually, planning 
>> to set up a board next to the laptop & pay more attention next time, by 
>> echoing the moves in the real & tactile world.
>> 
>> Good luck,
>> 
>> CJ
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 7, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> How well does the chess app on the mac work with vo? If not well, are
>>> there any apps that do work? I am new to the game, but it would be
>>> good practice if I could use the mac to play against the computer. I
>>> have the Shredder app on my iPod, but the screen is quite small and
>>> flicking does not always work.
>>> 
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Re: Renaming Files

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Also, when I select duplicate from the file menu, I am not prompted for a new 
file name until I save or close the file.  I have only used the feature in 
Numbers though.  I can't say if it works differently in other applications.

-Greg
On Jun 7, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:

> I think this is where the Duplicate file command comes in.
> Unfortunately, they don't have a hot key assigned to this yet but you
> can get there from the File submenu.  When you choose that option, you
> should be prompted for a new file name.  As a side note, I heard a
> lengthy conversation about "Save as" and duplicate on a podcast the
> other day.  I think a lot of people miss the Save as function in Lion
> but instead the file is automatically saved and updated and you have
> to revert to get back to older versions of that file.  As I understand
> it, this duplicate function will copy your file that you're presently
> editing and allow you to rename the duplicated file.  I heard in this
> same podcast that Mountain Lion will offer a hot key (Shift-Command-S
> and you will be automatically placed in the title area where you can
> change the file name.
> 
> On 6/7/12, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> Hi Eric,
>> 
>> I realized that my question wasn't clear enough.  I have a document called
>> training report that I use to create my reports.  I have a template with
>> various headings, I fill in the text I wish, and then want to save it under
>> a different name.  If I rename the original document in Finder, that won't
>> help me here, as I want to retain the original training report, and with
>> each report I prepare, I want to assign the client's name to the filename.
>> Hope this makes more sense.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Jun 7, 2012, at 7:54 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,  In finder, press enter on the file name and you will be focussed on
>>> an edit box.  Type the new name and press enter.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
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>>> On 2012-06-07, at 7:48 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>> 
 I work on documents in Pages and in TextEdit.  I have not been able to
 find an easy way of renaming files.  I have created report templates and
 when creating the reports, I want to change the names to reflect the
 consumers with whom I am working.  How can this be accomplished either in
 the Finder, TextEdit or Pages?  At present, I create a new file and paste
 in the text and name it that way.  Thanks for the assist.
 
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Re: Renaming Files

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Yes, I use the duplicate function to make copies of data sheets for different 
students/classes.  This works well for the purpose.  Although, you have to get 
used to not editing the original file.  I suppose you could lock the file.  
Then, whenever you tried to edit it, you would be prompted to duplicate it or 
unlock it.  I'll have to try this one myself.

-Greg

On Jun 7, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:

> I think this is where the Duplicate file command comes in.
> Unfortunately, they don't have a hot key assigned to this yet but you
> can get there from the File submenu.  When you choose that option, you
> should be prompted for a new file name.  As a side note, I heard a
> lengthy conversation about "Save as" and duplicate on a podcast the
> other day.  I think a lot of people miss the Save as function in Lion
> but instead the file is automatically saved and updated and you have
> to revert to get back to older versions of that file.  As I understand
> it, this duplicate function will copy your file that you're presently
> editing and allow you to rename the duplicated file.  I heard in this
> same podcast that Mountain Lion will offer a hot key (Shift-Command-S
> and you will be automatically placed in the title area where you can
> change the file name.
> 
> On 6/7/12, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> Hi Eric,
>> 
>> I realized that my question wasn't clear enough.  I have a document called
>> training report that I use to create my reports.  I have a template with
>> various headings, I fill in the text I wish, and then want to save it under
>> a different name.  If I rename the original document in Finder, that won't
>> help me here, as I want to retain the original training report, and with
>> each report I prepare, I want to assign the client's name to the filename.
>> Hope this makes more sense.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Jun 7, 2012, at 7:54 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,  In finder, press enter on the file name and you will be focussed on
>>> an edit box.  Type the new name and press enter.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
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>>> 
>>> On 2012-06-07, at 7:48 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>> 
 I work on documents in Pages and in TextEdit.  I have not been able to
 find an easy way of renaming files.  I have created report templates and
 when creating the reports, I want to change the names to reflect the
 consumers with whom I am working.  How can this be accomplished either in
 the Finder, TextEdit or Pages?  At present, I create a new file and paste
 in the text and name it that way.  Thanks for the assist.
 
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Re: Mudding on the mac.

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You can download Tintin from http://tintin.sourceforge.net/

It comes as a tar archive that you have to unpack.  I believe the built in mac 
utilities can handle this, but if not, something like the unarchiver works 
great.  Run the resulting file.  Your mac will classify it as a unix executable 
file.  Opening it from finder will open a terminal session etc.  Use the 
command #help to get a list of tintin commands.  

If I can be of any more help, let me know.

-Greg

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> Hi, Allison.
> 
> I haven't found a good client for the Mac. I use a windows client  on my 
> virtual machine. It's VIPMud from GMA Games. You can get a free trial for it. 
> It's wonderfully accessible.
> 
> I'd love to talk muds with you. Email me off list, if you don't mind. My 
> address is
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> 
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> On May 6, 2012, at 1:23 AM, Allison Mervis wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone!
>> I enjoy playing various muds, and was wondering what my options were in 
>> terms of accessible mud clients. I know that muds could theoretically be 
>> played in the terminal, and was wondering whether or not anyone has tried 
>> this. As I'm sure many of you know, mudding successfully  requires a lot of 
>> information to be read to you automatically so that you can quickly keep 
>> track of room descriptions, your status during a battle, etc. Do either the 
>> terminal or any other stand alone mud clients read incoming information 
>> automatically? Thanks so much.
>> Allison
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Re: Mudding on the mac.

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Hi Allison,
I have been reasonably successful using tintin in terminal.  I had to play with 
the VO cursor settings some but here is the configuration I like and have saved 
as an activity.:
Keyboard follows VO cursor: Yes
VO follows keyboard cursor: No
Insertion point follows VO cursor: Yes
VO follows insertion point: no

Basically, I can't find a way to keep VO from interrupting itself when new info 
hits the screen, but setting up your cursors this way means that you will not 
lose your place even though new text has been added below the point where your 
cursor is.

Tintin also has a nice scripting ability built in.  I have found it helpful to 
gag blank lines, effectively cutting down on the number of times VO might need 
to interrupt itself when a new line comes in.  The way to gag a blank line in 
Tintin is:
#gag {^$}

I have also gagged all kinds of other unnecessary spam and am working on ways 
to display critical info that are spoken faster.

These approaches have made mudding viable for me on the mac, even if it is not 
quite what things were on the windows side.  

HTH

Greg
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> Hi everyone!
> I enjoy playing various muds, and was wondering what my options were in terms 
> of accessible mud clients. I know that muds could theoretically be played in 
> the terminal, and was wondering whether or not anyone has tried this. As I'm 
> sure many of you know, mudding successfully  requires a lot of information to 
> be read to you automatically so that you can quickly keep track of room 
> descriptions, your status during a battle, etc. Do either the terminal or any 
> other stand alone mud clients read incoming information automatically? Thanks 
> so much.
> Allison
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Re: disclosure triangles?

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Quick nab would explain why the arrow keys alone don't work.  As for VO+space, 
I am only interacting with the table as well.  Sometimes this works less 
reliably than others though.  

-Greg
On Apr 29, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Okay, thanks. I found that cmd-right oens threads in mail, and cmd-left 
> closes them. VO-space brings me to some kind of menu, and left/right alone do 
> nothing (though I have Quick Nav on, which likely explains this last). Oh, 
> come to think of it, I didn't interact with the message first, only the 
> messages table, so that's probably why vo-space failed.
> On 29 Apr 2012, at 12:47, Greg Aikens wrote:
> 
>> Disclosure triangles are a way to hide or reveal extra info or options.  If 
>> the disclosure triangle is collapsed, the extra options are hidden and if it 
>> is expanded they are displayed.  Press VO+Space to toggle a disclosure 
>> triangle.  
>> 
>> In mail, expanding a disclosure triangle shows the list of messages in a 
>> thread.  These can also be expanded and collapsed with the right and left 
>> arrow keys.  
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Greg
>> On Apr 29, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> As I go through mail messages, and sometimes in other places, I hear 
>>> 'disclosure triangle". What is this, how do I use it, and how do I get at 
>>> the information I imagine it provides when activated? Thanks. As you 
>>> probably figured, I am using the mac more now that it runs well (amazing 
>>> what a monitor will do) so I'll have a lot of questions as I learn and, in 
>>> some cases, re-learn parts of this system. Thanks for your patience!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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Re: disclosure triangles?

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Disclosure triangles are a way to hide or reveal extra info or options.  If the 
disclosure triangle is collapsed, the extra options are hidden and if it is 
expanded they are displayed.  Press VO+Space to toggle a disclosure triangle.  

In mail, expanding a disclosure triangle shows the list of messages in a 
thread.  These can also be expanded and collapsed with the right and left arrow 
keys.  

HTH,
Greg
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> Hi all,
> As I go through mail messages, and sometimes in other places, I hear 
> 'disclosure triangle". What is this, how do I use it, and how do I get at the 
> information I imagine it provides when activated? Thanks. As you probably 
> figured, I am using the mac more now that it runs well (amazing what a 
> monitor will do) so I'll have a lot of questions as I learn and, in some 
> cases, re-learn parts of this system. Thanks for your patience!
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
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Re: A question regarding blindmicemegamall.com

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Did you try restarting Safari?  You could also try visiting the site using 
webkit.

If those things don't work, it could just be a send space problem.  I have run 
into strange issues trying to download from them sometimes.

-Greg
On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I recently came to know about a site called blindmicemegamall.com
> The site contains some really good audio described Hollywood movies.
> I even tried a couple of them and the quality of the audio description was 
> really awesome.
> 
> However, when I tried downloading a few movies today, I was directed to the 
> SendSpace page as usual, but when I clicked on the ' click here to start the 
> download' link,  the download didn't start and I got weird errors like 'You 
> can only download one file at a time' or 'There are no slots available for 
> download'.
> This happened when I tried downloading the Harry Potter Movies and also the 
> Hangover part 1 and part 2.
> I've tried downloading them on a number of occasions, but I haven't had any 
> success yet.
> 
> Please help me if you can to solve this problem.
> 
> Regards,
> Rahul
> 
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Re: Frotz

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I have played with Zoom some.  There are a handful of resources for mac on the 
interactive fiction archive page.  Some of the mac resources work better than 
others with VO.  Unfortunately it has been months since I have tried so I can't 
remember specifics.

-Greg

On Apr 7, 2012, at 9:39 PM, Joseph Norton wrote:

> Hi:
> 
> I have 2 issues I am curious about.   Well, only one of them is an issue.
> 
> I have some old Infocomm games I'd like to play.  The games are mostly in 
> .dat files on the CD's.  They will work with Frotz.
> 
> The issue involves compiling with Xcode.
> 
> I wanted to compile Frotz, an infocomm Z-code game interpreter.  I got the 
> tar ball and was able to successfully compile it, (at least it seems to work) 
> using the Xcode package that came with my Snow Leopard disc.
> 
> However, when I get the newest version of Xcode from the App store, I am no 
> longer just able   to go to a terminal window and use the "make" command as I 
> did with the earlier version of Xcode.
> 
> Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong with the newer version of Xcode? How 
> can i still compile this program with the newer version of Xcode?
> 
> Also, has anyone written or compiled a version of Frotz, or another Z-code 
> interpreter that works well with VoiceOver?
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: DAISY Player for the Mac/iPhone

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Hi, 
There was just a similar thread about reading bookshare books on the mac.  I 
use safari to read them on the mac.  Just open the xml file from your daisy 
book in safari and read away.  I don't have any suggestions for IOS.

-Greg
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> I haven't seen any replies to this yet; doesn't anyone out there use
> daisy books on either IOS or mac? Particularly on IOS devices? I don't
> think Read to Go is viable enough.  Can't use it with VO nor read with
> Braille.  If not, then is there a way we could get a daisy book to run
> in iBook? That is probably a long shot for sure.
> 
> Any ideas here???
> 
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 03:42:51PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
>> I would also be interested in knowing this.  The only thing I've seen
>> so far is the Read to Go app for bookshare books but it isn't really
>> all that good and I don't think you can use it on other daisy books
>> anyway.  It seems to crash quite often and you can't used it directly
>> with VO from what I've experienced so far.  Any other good ones for
>> IOS devices? I think someone mentioned something for the mac but I
>> forget its name right now.
>> 
>> On 3/25/12, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>>> Any recommendations for a good DAISY player for the Mac and/or the iPhone?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
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Re: Bookshare?

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If the headings are marked in the file, then yes.  If not, I set web spots 
where I stop reading.  Sometimes these are saved across VO sessions and 
sometimes they aren't.  The find feature also works well if you remember the 
name of the chapter you stopped reading, and some books have a table of 
contents with links.  

Hope this helps.

-Greg
On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:28 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Interesting idea. Do you get heading navigation for all marked
> sections using this method? Is there a program that will let you keep
> your place? I'll have to look into this for myself.
> 
> I am asking on behalf of someone who is not very used to vo, so
> hotspots, finding xml files, and so on might be a bit much. A simple
> program to read bookshare's files and keep your place would be
> perfect, if such a thing exists.
> 
> On 3/25/12, Greg Aikens  wrote:
>> I use Safari.  After unzipping the book, open the .xml file and read away.
>> 
>> -Greg
>> On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:22 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> What do people use to read Bookshare books on the mac? It should work
>>> well with both vo and zoom, and have the ability to let Alex do the
>>> talking (no third-party speech, or at least make that speech
>>> optional). Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Bookshare?

[Greg Aikens]

I use Safari.  After unzipping the book, open the .xml file and read away.  

-Greg
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> Hi all,
> What do people use to read Bookshare books on the mac? It should work
> well with both vo and zoom, and have the ability to let Alex do the
> talking (no third-party speech, or at least make that speech
> optional). Thanks.
> 
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Re: IPhone timer?

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There is a timer built into the clock app that comes on the iPhone.  It's one 
of the different tabs within the app.  There is also a nice stopwatch.

-Greg
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> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone know of one for either the IPhone or the MBP?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: Games for Mac and MUD Clients and other little questions of new Apple Eater

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I use TinTin mud client to access muds.  It's not the best thing in the world 
but gets the job done, especially if you play with the cursors so they do not 
follow each other.  Also tintin has a nice gag feature so you can easily 
eliminate unnecessary lines, such as blank lines.  It has been a decent 
alternative to windows mud clients.  

-Greg
On Mar 14, 2012, at 3:53 PM, BUCHERIE Volcy wrote:

> HI ALL!
> 
> I'm a new MacBook Pro User!
> I'm very happy to have my new Apple she is so delicious!
> 
> But, I would like to know if you know some accessible games for the blind ?
> I play too a multi users dungeons in french and I look for too an accessible 
> way to play this kind of game interacting by text and typing commands.
> 
> Like a new user, if someone would like give me some advices to use Skype for 
> Mac I feel it very different from one for PC and I don't yet used to do with 
> it as well.
> Would it exist a free program to make OCR friendly with VoiceOver?
> 
> I am a worker in the mixing sounds. I would wish some tracks or a peace of 
> advise to know which programs are interesting with Mac...
> 
> Sorry for this comboquestions mail but I just arrived with Mac so, it 
> explains every questions!!
> 
> Best regards
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Re: Google eBooks

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The one I purchased has been accessible on mac using safari and using the 
google books app on my iPhone.  The mac experience has been more positive than 
the IOS one but they both seem to work fine.

-Greg

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I found a table I can read in pages

[Greg Aikens]

Hello all,
It has been my experience that tables are completely inaccessible in pages.  
However, recently I have come across a couple of files that have table objects 
in them that I can navigate and interact with.  They show up after the body and 
before the footer, at least on the two files I have seen.  Has anyone else 
encountered this?  I can't figure out why the tables would work in these 
specific files.  It would be nice to figure out though because I would like to 
make files containing these objects.  I'll be honest that I haven't dedicated 
too much time to figuring this one out.  

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

-Greg

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Re: editing cell contents in numbers?

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Option + Enter should put your cursor in the cell to edit.

-Greg
On Feb 25, 2012, at 5:37 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Hi,  is there a key to edit cell contents in numbers?  The standard f2 
> doesn't work.  I checked all through the menus and couldn't find it.  I 
> looked in the inspector and it wasn't there either.  
> 
> Appreciate any help.
> 
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Re: Tables [was:] Re: numbers

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Another way to edit cells in Numbers is to move to the cell you want to change 
and hit Option+Enter.  This will put your cursor in the cell for editing.  You 
can navigate to any point in the cell by using the arrow keys or arrow keys + 
the option key.  Once I discovered this, working with Numbers got a whole lot 
more manageable.  

-Greg
On Feb 23, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> I have not tried Tables in eons so I'm not sure if it will work the same as 
> in for me in Numbers but, in Numbers, if I Interact with the Formula entry 
> field, then arrow (just arrow, no VO keys) right.  VO will announce as it 
> goes past characters and you can edit along the way.  The only limitation is 
> that cell references are imbedded so you can't change the reference from, 
> let's say, c2 to c5 by simply deleting the 2 and replacing it with 5.  What 
> you need to do is hit the Backspace twice and re-enter the entire cell 
> reference.  Note that it's just the specific cell reference, not the entire 
> formula.  So, editing simple text entries within the cell is straight forward 
> as long as you do it from within the Formula Entry field.  Actually, this is 
> standard practice even for sighted users.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2012-02-23, at 3:34 PM, Gigi wrote:
> 
>> Y hi guys
>> I have had some success with attitude on the end of a sale on what I do to 
>> make sure that I don't erase the whole thing, is to press command right 
>> arrow on my MacBook Pro, and then I can backspace out on the end and delete 
>> text-only in. A few instances have I been able to successfully edit in the 
>> middle of a sale in numbers
>> Regards
>> Gigi
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 23, 2012, at 1:47 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>>> OK, that's interesting. I thought you might do it this way. So it is not 
>>> possible to change just a part of the content of a cell. You have to change 
>>> the whole content.
>>> I opened an excel file with several sheets in Tables and tried to switch 
>>> between the sheets by pressing CMD + Option + arrow right or left. It 
>>> didn't work. Tables was always busy. Do you have experiences with switching 
>>> sheets in Tables? Did it work for you?
>>> 
>>> Jürgen
>>> Am 23.02.2012 um 17:51 schrieb Bejarano, Rafael P.:
>>> 
 When I want to change the contents of a particular cell, I position the 
 cursor on the data-entry field.  Then, I arrow over to the cell that I 
 want to edit.  Next, I press the delete (back-space) key to delete the 
 cell's contents.  Finally, I type in the new information that I wish to 
 store in that cell.
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Jürgen Fleger [apple-engl...@fleger.net]
 Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:47 AM
 To: Mac Visionaries Visionaries
 Subject: Tables [was:] Re: numbers
 
 No Rafael, that's not what I asked for. I know how to enter data. But I 
 want to change existing data in the cells.
 Imagine you have an address of a friend in a cell. His telephone number 
 changes and you want to change just the number. How to do this in Tables?
 I don't see this important possibility accessible with VoiceOver.
 Again: how to change specific data in a cell?
 Not entering data in an empty cell. That's easy.
 Hopefully my question is clearer now.
 Jürgen
 Am 22.02.2012 um 16:26 schrieb Bejarano, Rafael P.:
 
> Tables has a data entry field.  That is where data are entered into each 
> cell.  If you cannot find the data entry field on your own, you may 
> benefit from sighted help to find it the first time.  Place your cursor 
> in the field, making sure VO is not locked.  You can then type or paste 
> in data and formulae.  If you type in the data entry field, press the 
> return (enter) key to get the data into the cell.  The arrow keys are 
> used to move between c
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Re: Abby Fine Reader Express

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You can use Abby without first printing the files.  Indeed, this is how many 
people use it since it does not directly support all scanners.

-Greg
On Feb 4, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Hello everyone. I'm going to purchase Abby Fine Reader but don't have a 
> scanner yet. If I buy it before getting a scanner, can it handle .pdf files 
> that contain scanned images directly or do I have to print the files and scan 
> them? Also, does the company that created ABBY Fine REader provide a complete 
> list of scanners that it supports? I appreciate any help.
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Re: Pages question

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Under Lion you need to choose export from the file menu.  The steps should be 
straight forward from there.  

-Greg
On Jan 18, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> Help!
> I did a performance review with Pages, and I need a copy in Word, or text 
> format. I cannot figure out how to do this.
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Re: Jumping to pages in Preview

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I go into the view menu and select single or double page for viewing.  That 
way, when VO wants to jump to the top, it is limited to the page or 2 that are 
displayed instead of the entire document.  

Hope this helps.

GregOn Jan 11, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Lindsay Yazzolino wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I am in the process of reading some multi-paged documents in Preview,
> and can't seem to figure out how to quickly jump to a specific page. I
> have tried the "go to page" command (command option g), and though
> VoicOver announces that it has successfully jumped to the correct
> page, it subsequently proceeds to jump to the top of the document once
> I interact with text? Using page down seems to help somewhat, though
> it seems to scroll down only in small increments rather than
> corresponding to the actual pages of the document. Am I missing
> something fundamental here? Thanks in advance.
> 
> Lindsay
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Re: Gps on the iPhone

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I haven't checked it out since the update, but before, it was under options.  I 
would enter my address/poi, then hit the options button.  It is under route 
profile.  There are two modes, pedestrian, and pedestrian with voice 
announcements.  I prefer the second.  

Hope this helps.

-Greg
On Dec 16, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi Gregg.
> Where is the pedestrian mode on Navigon. I have Sendero also. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> 
> On Dec 16, 2011, at 11:06 AM, Greg Aikens wrote:
> 
>> Navigon definitely has a pedestrian mode.  I like to use Navigon in 
>> conjunction with Sendero.  
>> 
>> -Greg
>> On Dec 13, 2011, at 7:46 PM, Gigi wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Hank
>>> I think it is the p o I things because I called one restaurant 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2011, at 7:04 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello what buttons do you have to label on navigon?
>>>> Hank
>>>> On 12/13/2011 5:36 PM, Gigi wrote:
>>>>> Hi guys.
>>>>> I have Navagon. It works ok with VO, but, as someone this list said you 
>>>>> will need to label three buttons on it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, I like the Sendero app for a couple of things because it is a 
>>>>> simpler program so I can get the info faster. It is limited and is not 
>>>>> supposed to be right now a full fledged GPS program. I use it for 
>>>>> locating the bus stop while I'm on the bus because when you call up the 
>>>>> program you just have double or split tap on the Nearest Cross Street 
>>>>> button. It is also very fast for the nearest points of interest.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I really basically don't like GPS programs for the sighted for us. It 
>>>>> makes me crazy to have to bypass information like maps that I could care 
>>>>> less about. Also, I haven't figured out if Navagon has a pedestrian mode 
>>>>> or not. I really hope that Sendero will someday be able to put their 
>>>>> program in a full-fledged mode for the iPhone. They told me that they 
>>>>> wanted to but that they had to get some funding for more develpment.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Gigi
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Scott Howell  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Navigon is one option. WIth the new version you download the maps you 
>>>>>> need while on WiFi. So, you can do all that before you hit the road. 
>>>>>> Others may have further options for your consideration.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Craig J Dunlop wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Does anyone know of a GPS program for the iPhone iPod or iPad that does 
>>>>>>> not require data we are trying to use GPS with the phone that is not 
>>>>>>> hooked up as a phone only as a GPS
>>>>>>> 
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Re: Gps on the iPhone

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Navigon definitely has a pedestrian mode.  I like to use Navigon in conjunction 
with Sendero.  

-Greg
On Dec 13, 2011, at 7:46 PM, Gigi wrote:

> Hi Hank
> I think it is the p o I things because I called one restaurant 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 13, 2011, at 7:04 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:
> 
>> Hello what buttons do you have to label on navigon?
>> Hank
>> On 12/13/2011 5:36 PM, Gigi wrote:
>>> Hi guys.
>>> I have Navagon. It works ok with VO, but, as someone this list said you 
>>> will need to label three buttons on it.
>>> 
>>> However, I like the Sendero app for a couple of things because it is a 
>>> simpler program so I can get the info faster. It is limited and is not 
>>> supposed to be right now a full fledged GPS program. I use it for locating 
>>> the bus stop while I'm on the bus because when you call up the program you 
>>> just have double or split tap on the Nearest Cross Street button. It is 
>>> also very fast for the nearest points of interest.
>>> 
>>> I really basically don't like GPS programs for the sighted for us. It makes 
>>> me crazy to have to bypass information like maps that I could care less 
>>> about. Also, I haven't figured out if Navagon has a pedestrian mode or not. 
>>> I really hope that Sendero will someday be able to put their program in a 
>>> full-fledged mode for the iPhone. They told me that they wanted to but that 
>>> they had to get some funding for more develpment.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Gigi
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Scott Howell  wrote:
>>> 
 Navigon is one option. WIth the new version you download the maps you need 
 while on WiFi. So, you can do all that before you hit the road. Others may 
 have further options for your consideration.
 
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> Does anyone know of a GPS program for the iPhone iPod or iPad that does 
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Re: Daisy Reader under Lion

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Learning Ally has a program that reads their books and I think there is a 
version you can buy that lets you read any daisy materials.  Sorry I don't 
remember the name right now.

Hope this helps.

Greg
On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:31 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:

> Guys,
> I promise I have looked in the archives but can't find the answer.
> Does anyone have a recommendation for a DAISY reader under Lion?
> There's nothing in the App Store and I haven't found anything in the
> archives here or on the web.  I'd appreciate any help as i have a
> large text book on music notation that I wish to search for specific
> information.  These folks were kind enough to read the book in DAISY
> format and it would be great to take advantage of that.
> Best,
> Kevin
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Re: MacLegion 2011 Winter Bundle includes Nisus Writer Pro and MacGourmet + 7 other apps for $49.99

[Greg Aikens]

How does Nisus handle tables with VO?  That would be a huge selling point for 
me.  I may look at the demo, but thought I would ask too.

-Greg
On Dec 10, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> One of the interesting accessible alternatives for Office on the Mac is Nisus 
> Writer Pro, which had a major version update a few months ago, and was very 
> favorably reviewed at TidBITS:
> • Nisus Writer Pro 2.0: The Review
> http://tidbits.com/article/12220
> (This is a very detailed review, but the upshot is that the author considered 
> the new additions rendered it superior to both Word and Pages as his basic 
> writing tool.  Also, for international list members, this app features 
> extensive multi-lingual support.)
> 
> Nisus Writer Pro is being offered as part of the MacLegion 2011 Winter Bundle 
> of 10 apps for $49.99.  It regularly lists for $79.00, and these apps entitle 
> you to the full support of regular purchases and updates, so this is a good 
> deal.  Another interesting bundle app that has been highly rated by list 
> members is MacGourmet Deluxe (normally $49.95).  I believe some list members 
> have also used AppDelete to manage cleaning up application removals, but I'm 
> less familiar with the other bundled apps and their accessibility status. In 
> addition, buyers of the first 10,000 bundles will also receive MacScan 
> (normally lists for $29.95), which will accessibly scan your machine for 
> spyware or other privacy violations as an additional free app. You can 
> designate licenses for apps you already own to be gifted to other users on 
> the check-out page. If you've been thinking of getting any of these apps, the 
> total bundle price of $49.99 for 10 apps (or 11 if you act early) makes this 
> a very good deal. You can download a trial version of Nisus Writer Pro, or 
> MacGourmet Deluxe if you want to check things out before buying the bundle. 
> This deal runs through the next 2 days.  Here's the URL:
> 
> http://maclegion.com
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
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Re: frustrating issue with papa john's mobile site

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Yes, it is probably something like this.  Fortunately I have an iPhone and 
their iPhone app worked pretty well.  

-Greg
On Nov 20, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Chris Westbrook wrote:

> I suspect what is going on is the site has been programmed to auto tab to the 
> next field when the current field is filled.  Some sites, for example, will 
> break the credit card number field up into four different fields, probably 
> because it looks prettier or something, and then will auto tab through these 
> fields as data is entered, making it look like only part of the field is 
> filled in.  Unfortunately there's not a whole lot you can do about that.
> On Nov 19, 2011, at 10:47 PM, Greg Aikens wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> I am having a hard time entering new credit card information on the papa 
>> john's mobile site because whenever I enter a value, such as my credit card 
>> number, Safari reformats it with commas and even rounds the value to the 
>> nearest 10.  I have tried unchecking autofill and spell check options but it 
>> is still happening.  Any thoughts?
>> 
>> -Greg
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Re: playing interactive fiction games on mac?

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Hi,
I have used Zoom.  It is available from the interactive fiction archive.  

-Greg
On Nov 20, 2011, at 11:43 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I use frotz on iphone and wa wondering what best to use to play the same 
> games on the computer and ideally to sync my progress with phone.
> 
> I read somewhere on the list about -tin or something like that. Was this for 
> these kind of games? 
> How about zoom? I read in a user manual for a game that this would be good 
> for playing informe on mac?
> 
> Thanks for your help!
> 
> Ioana
> 
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frustrating issue with papa john's mobile site

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Hello all,
I am having a hard time entering new credit card information on the papa john's 
mobile site because whenever I enter a value, such as my credit card number, 
Safari reformats it with commas and even rounds the value to the nearest 10.  I 
have tried unchecking autofill and spell check options but it is still 
happening.  Any thoughts?

-Greg

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Re: Word Games for the Mac?

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I have been able to use TinTin for mudding of the mac pretty successfully.  I 
set up an activity for terminal so that the VO cursor does not follow the 
keyboard or insertion point.  This means that even though VO will interrupt 
itself, it doesn't move my cursor all the way to the bottom, so I can continue 
to arrow through/use find to figure out what is going on.  TinTin is nice 
because you can set up gags, triggers, and aliases like other clients.  Gags 
have been especially helpful in getting rid of unnecessary info being spoken.  

I have not learned to set up a sound pack for TinTin, but I hope it can be 
done.  This would make the mudding experience even more accessible.  

-Greg

On Nov 19, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote:

> I'm interested in this as well, especially until I'm able to get some kind of 
> mud client up and running, I'd love to find
> some accessible games to play on my macbook. I know there's rs games, but  if 
> there are other games that work well with VO on
> the mac, I'd love to hear about them.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessica
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 12:37 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Word Games for the Mac?
> 
> I actually was curious as to that myself as far as games in general.  I 
> remember the extremely old "brickbash," and "3d
> brickbash," games that were around not long after the Mac first came out, and 
> I always tried to play those, but wound up
> losing the balls more than I managed to break any of the bricks with them.
>  I'd love to know if there's anything like that that's actually accessible 
> with the VO software.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brianna Snyder" 
> To: "MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:11 PM
> Subject: Word Games for the Mac?
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've been looking for word games. The only ones I've been able to find were 
> for the IOS devices, and even those weren't
> totally accessible. However, I thought that it would be nice to be able to 
> play some kind of word game on the computer.
> Suggestions, anyone?
> 
> How about any other Mac games, aside from the RS games client?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brianna
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Re: Bookshare on the Mac

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I set webspots to mark my place when I need to close the file. You can do that 
by pressing VO+shift+] and then navigate by webspots with vo+].

-Greg
On Nov 18, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Scott Rumery wrote:

> I never even thought of that.  But doesn't that make reading a long book 
> problematic because if I am not mistaken, by reading it in Safari there is no 
> way to bookmark where you leave off.  If I am wrong, please let me know.
> 
> Scott
> On Nov 18, 2011, at 9:54 PM, Greg Aikens wrote:
> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> I read bookshare books on my mac by opening the xml file in Safari and 
>> reading it with VO.  
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> -Greg
>> On Nov 18, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Scott Rumery wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello, I was wondering if there is a way to read Bookshare books on the 
>>> Mac?  I think that using V O to read a book would be a nice way to read, 
>>> but I don't know if there is any Daisy software that I could use on my Mac.
>>> 
>>> Scott
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Re: Bookshare on the Mac

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Hi Scott,
I read bookshare books on my mac by opening the xml file in Safari and reading 
it with VO.  

Hope this helps.

-Greg
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> Hello, I was wondering if there is a way to read Bookshare books on the Mac?  
> I think that using V O to read a book would be a nice way to read, but I 
> don't know if there is any Daisy software that I could use on my Mac.
> 
> Scott
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Re: How to delete messages in my mail on my iPhone

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There is an edit button towards the top right of the mail display.  Double tap 
Edit and then double tap the messages you want to delete.  You will notice that 
as you move through your messages they will be read as selected or unselected.  
When you are done selecting everything you want to delete, go to the bottom of 
the screen.  There are several choices, such as move etc. but the one you want 
is delete.  Hope this helps.  

-Greg
On Nov 15, 2011, at 9:53 AM, David Eagle wrote:

> Hello everyone, I have recently purchased an iPhone and I must say things are 
> going very well. I find it all very intuitive, in fact I'm dictating this 
> message to Siri so hopefully there are not too many errors. Anyway, one thing 
> that I haven't worked out how to do yet is how to delete messages in mail. 
> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
> 
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Re: more on speech recognition on the Mac

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Hi Donna,
I haven't looked at this in a while, but there is a button labelled calibrate 
in the speech recognition dialog.  It should bring up a slider that you can 
move around until it is more accurate.  I can't tell you what the slider does, 
just that that I moved it around until it was more accurate.  

Hope this helps.

-Greg
On Nov 15, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Goodin, Donna wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I've been playing around again with speech recognition following Yuma's posts 
> yesterday.  My experience is that it seems to work about 3 out of ten times.  
> Is this others experience?  Yuma, you seem to be having a lot of success, did 
> you tweak anything in the settings to improve recognition?  I'm currently 
> using the key press method, because when I tried to have it listen for a key 
> word, I literally never got the Mac to respond.
> Best,
> Donna
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Re: for those who love the siri feature

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If you downloaded one of the html5 converters, you will need to navigate to the 
html5 player on the page to start the video.  In the youtube5 extension, this 
is contained in a frame.  

-Greg
On Nov 14, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Goodin, Donna wrote:

> So, I'm really confused.
> 
> I googled Safari Youtube Extension.  there were several, but I found one that 
> seemed lke a likely candidate.  I downloaded it and installed it, but still 
> the video doesn't play.  What am I doing wrong?
> TIA,
> Donna
> On Nov 13, 2011, at 11:31 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote:
> 
>> Check the video 
>> 
>> http://www.cultofmac.com/129575/use-speakable-items-to-bring-siris-functionality-to-your-mac-video-how-to/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Very good too 
>> 
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Re: for those who love the siri feature

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Good how-to video and thanks for the tip on the youtube5 extension.  I like the 
interface a lot better than click to flash.  

-Greg
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> Check the video 
> 
> http://www.cultofmac.com/129575/use-speakable-items-to-bring-siris-functionality-to-your-mac-video-how-to/
> 
> 
> 
> Very good too 
> 
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Re: Now that blindmicemart (blindmicemegamall) is back . . .

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No, this took me a minute to figure out too.  Do a google search for Blind Mice 
Mega Mall.  That will take you to the correct page.  

-Greg
On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:05 AM, johns.kary wrote:

> Ok, what am I missing hear?
> I go to the blndmicemart webpage and all I get is how to contact them and 
> nothing else.
> I google the blind mice mart movie  volt, and I get a page saying the movies 
> have been uploaded to sendspace, but no movies  are listed on the page.
> It says for our member's but there's no way to be come a member that I can 
> see.
> What's going on? am I missing something?
> It's been an exceptionally long frustrating day, so it's entirely  possible  
> the problem's all me, and I'm missing something very obvious. :)
> 
> Kari. 
> On 07/11/2011, at 2:30 PM, Greg Aikens wrote:
> 
>> Yes, free and completely accessible using VO.  
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 10:06 PM, Kliphton wrote:
>> 
>>> Is this free?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 9:13 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Now that blindmicemart (blindmicemegamall) is back . . .
>>> 
>>> Yes, a google search for blind mice mega mall took me to the page.  After
>>> signing up, the movie vault showed up as an option.  
>>> 
>>> -Greg
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thank you; I'll give this a try. 
>>>> AS for the movie vault, I suspect you may have to sign up first, but
>>> here's the page which comes up when I've logged in and clicked on "Blind
>>> Mice Movie Vault":
>>>> https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Movie_Vault?recentlyAdded=t
>>>> rue On Nov 6, 2011, at 6:38 PM, Greg Aikens wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Christene,
>>>>> Once you have opened the edit info dialogue, you want to get to the
>>> options tab.  There is a list of several tabs at the top of the window.
>>> Once on the options tab there is a pop up box labelled "Media kind".  If you
>>> want your files to show up somewhere else, this is where you would change
>>> it.  Unfortunately, saving it as a movie is not an option for mp3's.  I have
>>> mine under music and list the artist for each as Blind Mice Mart.  That way
>>> they are all together.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, could you provide the link you are using to download stuff?  As
>>> others noted, the link is no longer on the home page.  Also, the links I got
>>> searching through google appear to bring up a blank page in safari and
>>> webkit.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Greg
>>>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kristyn, I did as directed, but not sure exactly what I'm editing.  If,
>>> for example, I want it to show up in movies/videos, I would have to edit the
>>> path where it states it's in music and the music library, correct? But when
>>> I interact with this text, I can't change it.  I did try writing in the
>>> title of the movie as the album name, which then made it appear on the album
>>> list of the music library.  It 's checked, but it isn't syncing.
>>>>>> Can anyone guide me further with this, off-list if necessary?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 3:30 PM, Kristyn Leigh wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Search for it in your iTunes music library.  When you find it, press
>>> command+I and edit the information to make it appear where you want it .
>>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 3:32 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Tried that -- plays fine in iTunes, but isn't appearing in either the
>>> music library or movies.  When I use Spotlight to find it, it says it is an
>>> mp3 and "unknown album". I don't see any options to save it in the iTunes
>>> library, just the usual controls "previous," "next," "stop," etc. 
>>>>>>>> Christine
>>>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Open each mp3 in iTunes, and there 

Re: Now that blindmicemart (blindmicemegamall) is back . . .

[Greg Aikens]

Yes, free and completely accessible using VO.  


On Nov 6, 2011, at 10:06 PM, Kliphton wrote:

> Is this free?
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 9:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Now that blindmicemart (blindmicemegamall) is back . . .
> 
> Yes, a google search for blind mice mega mall took me to the page.  After
> signing up, the movie vault showed up as an option.  
> 
> -Greg
> 
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
> 
>> Thank you; I'll give this a try. 
>> AS for the movie vault, I suspect you may have to sign up first, but
> here's the page which comes up when I've logged in and clicked on "Blind
> Mice Movie Vault":
>> https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Movie_Vault?recentlyAdded=t
>> rue On Nov 6, 2011, at 6:38 PM, Greg Aikens wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Christene,
>>> Once you have opened the edit info dialogue, you want to get to the
> options tab.  There is a list of several tabs at the top of the window.
> Once on the options tab there is a pop up box labelled "Media kind".  If you
> want your files to show up somewhere else, this is where you would change
> it.  Unfortunately, saving it as a movie is not an option for mp3's.  I have
> mine under music and list the artist for each as Blind Mice Mart.  That way
> they are all together.  
>>> 
>>> Also, could you provide the link you are using to download stuff?  As
> others noted, the link is no longer on the home page.  Also, the links I got
> searching through google appear to bring up a blank page in safari and
> webkit.  
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Greg
>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Kristyn, I did as directed, but not sure exactly what I'm editing.  If,
> for example, I want it to show up in movies/videos, I would have to edit the
> path where it states it's in music and the music library, correct? But when
> I interact with this text, I can't change it.  I did try writing in the
> title of the movie as the album name, which then made it appear on the album
> list of the music library.  It 's checked, but it isn't syncing.
>>>> Can anyone guide me further with this, off-list if necessary?
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 3:30 PM, Kristyn Leigh wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Search for it in your iTunes music library.  When you find it, press
> command+I and edit the information to make it appear where you want it .
>>>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 3:32 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tried that -- plays fine in iTunes, but isn't appearing in either the
> music library or movies.  When I use Spotlight to find it, it says it is an
> mp3 and "unknown album". I don't see any options to save it in the iTunes
> library, just the usual controls "previous," "next," "stop," etc. 
>>>>>> Christine
>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Open each mp3 in iTunes, and there ya go.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine 
>>>>>>> Grassman
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:33 AM
>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Now that blindmicemart (blindmicemegamall) is back . . .
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The Blind Mice Movie Vault contains many, many audio-described 
>>>>>>> movies and television shows in mp3 format.  I would like to get them
> onto my iPhone.
>>>>>>> However, for some reason, when I download them, they are not 
>>>>>>> being put in my iTunes library.  Is there a way to do tis one 
>>>>>>> case at a time, or aother way to get them onto my iPhone without 
>>>>>>> resorting to the iTunes library? Should I just "drag and drop" into
> the library, or is there some easier method? TIA.
>>>>>>> Christine
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Re: Now that blindmicemart (blindmicemegamall) is back . . .

[Greg Aikens]

Yes, a google search for blind mice mega mall took me to the page.  After 
signing up, the movie vault showed up as an option.  

-Greg

On Nov 6, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:

> Thank you; I'll give this a try. 
> AS for the movie vault, I suspect you may have to sign up first, but here's 
> the page which comes up when I've logged in and clicked on "Blind Mice Movie 
> Vault":
> https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Movie_Vault?recentlyAdded=true
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 6:38 PM, Greg Aikens wrote:
> 
>> Hi Christene,
>> Once you have opened the edit info dialogue, you want to get to the options 
>> tab.  There is a list of several tabs at the top of the window.  Once on the 
>> options tab there is a pop up box labelled "Media kind".  If you want your 
>> files to show up somewhere else, this is where you would change it.  
>> Unfortunately, saving it as a movie is not an option for mp3's.  I have mine 
>> under music and list the artist for each as Blind Mice Mart.  That way they 
>> are all together.  
>> 
>> Also, could you provide the link you are using to download stuff?  As others 
>> noted, the link is no longer on the home page.  Also, the links I got 
>> searching through google appear to bring up a blank page in safari and 
>> webkit.  
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Greg
>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>> 
>>> Kristyn, I did as directed, but not sure exactly what I'm editing.  If, for 
>>> example, I want it to show up in movies/videos, I would have to edit the 
>>> path where it states it's in music and the music library, correct? But when 
>>> I interact with this text, I can't change it.  I did try writing in the 
>>> title of the movie as the album name, which then made it appear on the 
>>> album list of the music library.  It 's checked, but it isn't syncing.
>>> Can anyone guide me further with this, off-list if necessary?
>>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 3:30 PM, Kristyn Leigh wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Search for it in your iTunes music library.  When you find it, press 
>>>> command+I and edit the information to make it appear where you want it .
>>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 3:32 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Tried that -- plays fine in iTunes, but isn't appearing in either the 
>>>>> music library or movies.  When I use Spotlight to find it, it says it is 
>>>>> an mp3 and "unknown album". I don't see any options to save it in the 
>>>>> iTunes library, just the usual controls "previous," "next," "stop," etc. 
>>>>> Christine
>>>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Open each mp3 in iTunes, and there ya go.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:33 AM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Now that blindmicemart (blindmicemegamall) is back . . .
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Blind Mice Movie Vault contains many, many audio-described movies and
>>>>>> television shows in mp3 format.  I would like to get them onto my iPhone.
>>>>>> However, for some reason, when I download them, they are not being put 
>>>>>> in my
>>>>>> iTunes library.  Is there a way to do tis one case at a time, or aother 
>>>>>> way
>>>>>> to get them onto my iPhone without resorting to the iTunes library? 
>>>>>> Should I
>>>>>> just "drag and drop" into the library, or is there some easier method? 
>>>>>> TIA.
>>>>>> Christine
>>>>>> 
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Re: Now that blindmicemart (blindmicemegamall) is back . . .

[Greg Aikens]

Hi Christene,
Once you have opened the edit info dialogue, you want to get to the options 
tab.  There is a list of several tabs at the top of the window.  Once on the 
options tab there is a pop up box labelled "Media kind".  If you want your 
files to show up somewhere else, this is where you would change it.  
Unfortunately, saving it as a movie is not an option for mp3's.  I have mine 
under music and list the artist for each as Blind Mice Mart.  That way they are 
all together.  

Also, could you provide the link you are using to download stuff?  As others 
noted, the link is no longer on the home page.  Also, the links I got searching 
through google appear to bring up a blank page in safari and webkit.  

Thanks,

Greg
On Nov 6, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:

> Kristyn, I did as directed, but not sure exactly what I'm editing.  If, for 
> example, I want it to show up in movies/videos, I would have to edit the path 
> where it states it's in music and the music library, correct? But when I 
> interact with this text, I can't change it.  I did try writing in the title 
> of the movie as the album name, which then made it appear on the album list 
> of the music library.  It 's checked, but it isn't syncing.
> Can anyone guide me further with this, off-list if necessary?
> 
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 3:30 PM, Kristyn Leigh wrote:
> 
>> Search for it in your iTunes music library.  When you find it, press 
>> command+I and edit the information to make it appear where you want it .
>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 3:32 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>> 
>>> Tried that -- plays fine in iTunes, but isn't appearing in either the music 
>>> library or movies.  When I use Spotlight to find it, it says it is an mp3 
>>> and "unknown album". I don't see any options to save it in the iTunes 
>>> library, just the usual controls "previous," "next," "stop," etc. 
>>> Christine
>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>> 
 Open each mp3 in iTunes, and there ya go.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Grassman
 Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:33 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Now that blindmicemart (blindmicemegamall) is back . . .
 
 The Blind Mice Movie Vault contains many, many audio-described movies and
 television shows in mp3 format.  I would like to get them onto my iPhone.
 However, for some reason, when I download them, they are not being put in 
 my
 iTunes library.  Is there a way to do tis one case at a time, or aother way
 to get them onto my iPhone without resorting to the iTunes library? Should 
 I
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Re: Lion Growl no longer free

[Greg Aikens]

Even without self-voicing, I find apps like Adium and Skype quite accessible.  
It might be less convenient but I wouldn't call it less accessible.  


On Oct 7, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> I guess I'm looking at it as an equal access question. If I want a chat 
> communications app to be 'accessible' then it wasn't unreasonable to download 
> and configure Growl to make that happen. Not quite equal but quite doable, 
> like adding a screen reader. So do we cross some line when a chat app now 
> needs you to download and buy another app to be acccessible and/or 
> download/compile a free version to get a usable interface. If the answer is 
> no then we're done. If it does cross the line then we need to push upstream 
> and let the chat app developers know we need self-voicing at least for 
> incoming messages.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 10/6/11 5:17 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote:
>> 
>> Apparently it's still an open source project, and the $2 is to support the 
>> project.  According to an article I read on I think Mac World, the source 
>> code is still available from the growl site.  So if you know how to build 
>> something from source, you could go that route.  
>> Darcy
>> 
>> On 2011-10-06, at 10:13 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, it's not a wallet breaker, but should you have to pay another $2 to 
>>> make a free chat app accessible?
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 10/5/11 9:12 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
 
 If it's 2 bucks I'm gonna pay and be happy to have the service.  It's so 
 useful that apple should just buy it and build it into the OS.
 
 
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 On 2011-10-05, at 2:49 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
 
> So I just had somebody ping me about upgrading to Lion and how they would 
> need to update Growl but now it was $2 instead of free. This got me 
> wondering. For many chat apps, or at least the ones I use often like 
> Skype, AIM and Adium, Growl is the common way to get incoming messages 
> read. If it's no longer a free solution for these otherwise free apps, 
> should these chat apps now go back and start adding self-voicing to their 
> incoming messages? I know AIM has this feature today but others got a bit 
> of a pass because Growl could take care of it.
> 
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Re: iPhone 4s and Siri

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I thought the Siri app already existed for iPhone.  How is this different?


On Oct 5, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:

> the only thing i read that sounded definite is that the seri digital 
> assistant will only be available on the iphone 4's. take care, max  
> On Oct 5, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote:
> 
>> Iz this just a feature of the IPhone 4S? or is it an IOS thing? Hmmm
>> Matt
>> Sent from my macbook pro
>> 
>> On 2011-10-05, at 1:38 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:
>> 
>>> yes, but the seri feature is only available if you have internet access; so 
>>> the key to this feature's useability will be the cost of data plans.  I'm 
>>> with sprint.  currently, the offer a completely unlimited plan, but the 
>>> roomer sites are all saying its just a matter of time before they do away 
>>> with that or cap it or exclude the iphone from it.  anyone have any hard 
>>> info on that question?  thanks, max
>>> On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:17 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>> 
 So in case you haven't already found this, Apple released a video of 
 several use cases of people interacting with their phones purly through 
 speech.
 
 http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/siri.html
 
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