Re: iOS browsers

[Jude DaShiell]

On Wednesday, April 8, 2015, Phil Halton  wrote:

> What browsers can I use on iOS other than Safari? I have a particularly
> tricky website I need to use that Safari with voiceover just can't handle.
> Thanks,
>
>
> Sent from my IPhone
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> works on ios and has for some time by now.Other browsers are available
> and don't work well with VoiceOver in my experience.  A tricky website may
> just be written badly and in that case no browser however capable will
> handle it well or at all.
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Re: The cammel's back has been broken!

[Jude DaShiell]

On 7/1/13, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Unfortunate about the blog, but don't let that stop you since it's not
> necessary.  Several free revision control packages are available.  If
> you haven't yet studied revision control, you could try a google
> search on man ci and another one on man co and a third on man rcs as a
> beginning.  You store all of your work and each revision on your local
> machine and each revision only saves a delta to your disk.  A delta is
> only the changed stuff with version number and whatever log entry you
> provide.  The original is kept as well, so you can check in and check
> out any of the versions in your system you've saved.  As for the blog
> problem, when something like this happens erase the whole thing on the
> remote site.  As quick as you can do that, all defacing from any
> hacker is wiped out.  If the issue wasn't defacing, you have another
> problem revision control systems can't address.  Other newer systems
> like cvs and subversion and git exist in revision control systems, the
> reason I recommend rcs to those who might be new to revision control
> is that rcs which is what d of is less complex than the other systems
> and requires a lower learning curve.ci and co are part upload a
> checked out copy of it from your revision control system.  As quick as
>
> On 6/30/13, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>> OK, the final straw has been placed.  I'm leaving the list!
>>
>> My blog has been hacked, by a member on this list.  I know darn well who
>> did
>>
>> it from looking over the past few days at server logs.  Rest assured that
>> I've contacted both my blog hosting provider, as well as the ISP of the
>> person responsible, and in both cases, they told me they were looking
>> into
>> taking necessary legal action.  If I can get a good enough case put
>> together, I too myself will be pressing charges.
>>
>> The blog is getting uninstalled and removed, and I'll end by saying this.
>> Even those who were not on my bad side, no more free help ever again
>> technically is going to be granted.  Case closed.
>>
>> Now if my partner in the business Ben wants to help you for free? That's
>> his
>>
>> own decision, but as far as I go, never ever again ever! will I be
>> offerring
>>
>> free support/list contribution.  This hack finally diddit!  You all blew
>> it!
>>
>> Don't write me either with your apologies for treating me this way.  It
>> won't do any good.  My decision is final!
>>
>> Chris.
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Re: The cammel's back has been broken!

[Jude DaShiell]

Hi Chris,

Unfortunate about the blog, but don't let that stop you since it's not
necessary.  Several free revision control packages are available.  If
you haven't yet studied revision control, you could try a google
search on man ci and another one on man co and a third on man rcs as a
beginning.  You store all of your work and each revision on your local
machine and each revision only saves a delta to your disk.  A delta is
only the changed stuff with version number and whatever log entry you
provide.  The original is kept as well, so you can check in and check
out any of the versions in your system you've saved.  As for the blog
problem, when something like this happens erase the whole thing on the
remote site.  As quick as you can do that, all defacing from any
hacker is wiped out.  If the issue wasn't defacing, you have another
problem revision control systems can't address.  Other newer systems
like cvs and subversion and git exist in revision control systems, the
reason I recommend rcs to those who might be new to revision control
is that rcs which is what d of is less complex than the other systems
and requires a lower learning curve.ci and co are part upload a
checked out copy of it from your revision control system.  As quick as

On 6/30/13, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> OK, the final straw has been placed.  I'm leaving the list!
>
> My blog has been hacked, by a member on this list.  I know darn well who did
>
> it from looking over the past few days at server logs.  Rest assured that
> I've contacted both my blog hosting provider, as well as the ISP of the
> person responsible, and in both cases, they told me they were looking into
> taking necessary legal action.  If I can get a good enough case put
> together, I too myself will be pressing charges.
>
> The blog is getting uninstalled and removed, and I'll end by saying this.
> Even those who were not on my bad side, no more free help ever again
> technically is going to be granted.  Case closed.
>
> Now if my partner in the business Ben wants to help you for free? That's his
>
> own decision, but as far as I go, never ever again ever! will I be offerring
>
> free support/list contribution.  This hack finally diddit!  You all blew
> it!
>
> Don't write me either with your apologies for treating me this way.  It
> won't do any good.  My decision is final!
>
> Chris.
>
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Re: *free* accessible FTP for the Mac?

[Jude DaShiell]

ncftp will work in the terminal and may have a graphical user interface too.

On 6/30/13, Alex Hall  wrote:
> Hi all,
> I know everyone recommends Transmit when the subject of ftp programs for the
> mac comes up, but it's over $30! On Windows, Filezilla works great with
> screen readers and is free, so is there anything free for the mac?
> Unfortunately, Filezilla and VO don't get along at all, so that's out unless
> and until someone fixes it. In the meantime, is there an app that will do
> the job that is free and works with VO? Support for sftp would be good, but
> I don't need anything beyond that. Yes, the terminal can do the job, but I
> do like my GUI interfaces when I can get them. No, Finder won't work, since
> it is my understanding that one cannot upload to servers that way, only
> download from them. Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com
>
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Re: Apple ID issues on the IPhone.

[Jude DaShiell]

Have you tried filling it out at http://id.apple.com yet?On Tue, 28 Feb 
2012, Jessica wrote:

> I've just recently tried to fill in the info for my Apple ID in order to 
> download the Viz Wiz ap, filled in every field I could possibly find on there 
> from my name down to my phone number, and it still keeps telling me some 
> field is missing, even though I can't seem to find it.
>   I've filled in my ID, password, securety Q&A, creditcard info, name, 
> address and phone number, and all the info for my date of birth, and can't 
> find anything else after that, so I don't know what else they want from me.  
> This is really beyond frustrating to me, considering the fact that I've tried 
> to do this multiple times, and have gotten nowhere with it, so could really 
> use some help with it, sense I'd really love to try this ap, along with some 
> other's.
> Are you looking for a free home based business that will also pay you a good 
> income? Most likely, the answer is "yes," so if that is the case then come 
> check out Tmi wireless!
> We're an internet sales and marketing company that sells a variety of items 
> including cel phones and plans with carriers you already know, and you're 
> payed a comission from every sale you make!
> Check out 
>  
> and learn how to make money doing something you already do daily!
> to learn more, visit:
> 
> 
> 


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Re: MacMini Without a Screen

[Jude DaShiell]

I suggest you find out what Apple wants to charge you for a usb monitor 
and compare that to Wal-Mart's prices $89.95 for mono and I think $109.95 
for color and buy the least expensive of these options.On Thu, 3 Feb 2011, 
Ian Robinson wrote:

> Many thanks to everyone who replied.
> 
> For the past 2 and a half years I've had a desktop PC, screen, keyboard,
> speakers and mouse sitting on a shelf gathering dust.  Those peripherals would
> now be perfect for the MacMini... except that last week I leant the whole lot
> to a friend until June while she does a college course.
> 
> How's that for bad timing!  
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Ian
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 3:21 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MacMini Without a Screen
> 
> You do need a monitor connected, though it doesn't have to be turned on.
> On Feb 2, 2011, at 5:46 AM, Ian Robinson wrote:
> 
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I don?t have a Mac at the moment, but am thinking of getting a MacMini in a
> > month or two.
> >
> > Can the MacMini be used without having a screen connected?
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Ian
> >
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Re: Accessible games in the Mac App Store

[Jude DaShiell]

Yes, probably ibiblio.org had its dns information shredded.  When that 
happens you'll either get an error like you did or get redirected to a 
completely unrelated site.  You're the first I know of to have had this 
problem.  Another possibility may be that the ifarchive rsync repository 
was migrated over to the mirrors.ibiblio.org rsync prefix.  You can try 
going to each of those addresses with rsync and put the -l parameter on 
the command line and save output to a file and check the files over later.  
That -l parameter tells the rsync server to send you a list of the 
repositories available.On Thu, 3 Feb 2011, Eric Oyen wrote:

> ok,
> I copied that script into a file called get_games.sh and then did a chmod +x 
> on it.
> running it resulted in this error:
> 
> rsync: getaddrinfo: ibiblio.org 873: nodename nor servname provided, or not 
> known
> rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at 
> /SourceCache/rsync/rsync-40/rsync/clientserver.c(105) [receiver=2.6.9]
> 
> 
> this appears to be a dns lookup error. any suggestions?
> 
> -Eric
> 
> On Feb 3, 2011, at 12:43 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> 
> > Many VoiceOver users with Mac's haven't managed to find all of the games 
> > you managed to find just yet.On Wed, 2 Feb 2011, Donna Goodin wrote:
> > 
> >> Jude,
> >> 
> >> Why is there a need for this?  I've been playing interactive fiction games 
> >> with no problems.
> >> Best,
> >> Donna
> >> On Feb 2, 2011, at 5:24 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Save the following script to a file then run the script.  Remember to 
> >>> chmod 755 the file name first to make it executeable.  It will make an 
> >>> ifarchive folder tree on your system the first time you run it and expect 
> >>> it to take a while the first time you run it.  Then you run it later and 
> >>> it will synchronize your collection with the archive.  You go into the 
> >>> ifarchive/starters/ folder among others and start searching for files 
> >>> with .zx where x is a number and these are the games.  You also 
> >>> downloaded several game playing engines to use too, so do a little 
> >>> searching and experimentation and you should at least be able to get the 
> >>> frotz games going on your mac.  Cut here.
> >>> #!/bin/bash
> >>> rsync -rlptDv --bwlimit=0 --timeout=300 --partial --delete \
> >>> ibiblio.org::pub/docs/interactive-fiction/ ~/ifarchive
> >>> 
> >>> cut here.
> >>> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Isaac Obie wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> Zack,
> >>>> Jude Dashiell says there're games out there. I  just don't understand 
> >>>> how and where. Perhaps he'll explain it again???
> >>>> Isaac
> >>>> - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
> >>>> To: 
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 10:49 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: Accessible games in the Mac App Store
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>> Are you thinking of maccessibility.net?  They're still around, as far 
> >>>>> as I
> >>>>> know.  Their podcasts have made for very interesting listening over the
> >>>>> past while.
> >>>>> I agree, a compendium of accessible games for the Mac would be very 
> >>>>> nice.
> >>>>> There are quite a few for the iPhone, but the closest thing to a
> >>>>> compendium for the Mac I know if is the Mac section of www.pcsgames.net.
> >>>>> THere is, naturally, a much larger Windows section.
> >>>>> Unfortunately, my own search for accessible games for Mac has been 
> >>>>> largely
> >>>>> fruitless thus far.  I'll keep the list posted if I find anything.
> >>>>> Best,
> >>>>> Zack.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
> >>>>>> Teresa:
> >>>>>> I like that idea.  I've never been one to do games at all on my >  
> >>>>>> computer. So, I haven't a clue where to even look for something that > 
> >>>>>>  would be fun, and accessible.  I'm lousy at games of strategy like >  
> >>>>>> chess, but I love games with words, riddles and things that make me >  
> >>>>>> think.  Anyway, there used to be accessibility.net, for iPhone ga

Re: Accessible games in the Mac App Store

[Jude DaShiell]

Many VoiceOver users with Mac's haven't managed to find all of the games 
you managed to find just yet.On Wed, 2 Feb 2011, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Jude,
> 
> Why is there a need for this?  I've been playing interactive fiction games 
> with no problems.
> Best,
> Donna
> On Feb 2, 2011, at 5:24 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> 
> > Save the following script to a file then run the script.  Remember to chmod 
> > 755 the file name first to make it executeable.  It will make an ifarchive 
> > folder tree on your system the first time you run it and expect it to take 
> > a while the first time you run it.  Then you run it later and it will 
> > synchronize your collection with the archive.  You go into the 
> > ifarchive/starters/ folder among others and start searching for files with 
> > .zx where x is a number and these are the games.  You also downloaded 
> > several game playing engines to use too, so do a little searching and 
> > experimentation and you should at least be able to get the frotz games 
> > going on your mac.  Cut here.
> > #!/bin/bash
> > rsync -rlptDv --bwlimit=0 --timeout=300 --partial --delete \
> > ibiblio.org::pub/docs/interactive-fiction/ ~/ifarchive
> > 
> > cut here.
> > On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Isaac Obie wrote:
> > 
> >> Zack,
> >> Jude Dashiell says there're games out there. I  just don't understand how 
> >> and where. Perhaps he'll explain it again???
> >> Isaac
> >> - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 10:49 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Accessible games in the Mac App Store
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> Hi,
> >>> Are you thinking of maccessibility.net?  They're still around, as far as I
> >>> know.  Their podcasts have made for very interesting listening over the
> >>> past while.
> >>> I agree, a compendium of accessible games for the Mac would be very nice.
> >>> There are quite a few for the iPhone, but the closest thing to a
> >>> compendium for the Mac I know if is the Mac section of www.pcsgames.net.
> >>> THere is, naturally, a much larger Windows section.
> >>> Unfortunately, my own search for accessible games for Mac has been largely
> >>> fruitless thus far.  I'll keep the list posted if I find anything.
> >>> Best,
> >>> Zack.
> >>> 
> >>> On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
> >>> >  Teresa:
> >>> >  I like that idea.  I've never been one to do games at all on my >  
> >>> > computer. So, I haven't a clue where to even look for something that >  
> >>> > would be fun, and accessible.  I'm lousy at games of strategy like >  
> >>> > chess, but I love games with words, riddles and things that make me >  
> >>> > think.  Anyway, there used to be accessibility.net, for iPhone games. > 
> >>> >  I've not checked it out and don't know if it's being kept up or would 
> >>> > be >  a starting place.
> >>> > >  If you do decide to do something, I'd be glad to help in any way >  
> >>> > > necessary.  I love researching stuff.
> >>> > >  Keep me posted
> >>> > >  Carolyn
> >>> >  On Feb 1, 2011, at 7:20 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> >>> > > >  Hi, all,
> >>> > > > >  i just found an accessible game in the Mac app store. It's 
> >>> > > > > called > >  Piano Game X and I believe it's $1.99 US. I 
> >>> > > > > accidentally discovered by > >  pressing the spacebar when first 
> >>> > > > > starting the game that it activated > >  the menus. It's a 
> >>> > > > > Simon-like game. It also has a keyboard to play for > >  free 
> >>> > > > > style, but there is only one full octave.
> >>> > > > >  Anyhow, has anyone else discovered accessible games in the Mac 
> >>> > > > > app > >  store? I've bought a few, only to discover that they 
> >>> > > > > weren't. Has > >  anyone heard of someone getting together a 
> >>> > > > > compendium of accessible > >  games? I think, as someone 
> >>> > > > > mentioned earlier, that it would be neat > >  for AppleVis to 
> >>> > > > > ha

Re: Accessible games in the Mac App Store

[Jude DaShiell]

The script first gets the archive, then when you run it on future dates 
updates your copy of that archive so you stay current.On Wed, 2 Feb 2011, 
Teresa Cochran wrote:

>  As far as I can tell, this script automates the process of getting an 
> archive of interactive fiction games from a particular website.
> 
> Teresa
> On Feb 2, 2011, at 2:24 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> 
> > Save the following script to a file then run the script.  Remember to chmod 
> > 755 the file name first to make it executeable.  It will make an ifarchive 
> > folder tree on your system the first time you run it and expect it to take 
> > a while the first time you run it.  Then you run it later and it will 
> > synchronize your collection with the archive.  You go into the 
> > ifarchive/starters/ folder among others and start searching for files with 
> > .zx where x is a number and these are the games.  You also downloaded 
> > several game playing engines to use too, so do a little searching and 
> > experimentation and you should at least be able to get the frotz games 
> > going on your mac.  Cut here.
> > #!/bin/bash
> > rsync -rlptDv --bwlimit=0 --timeout=300 --partial --delete \
> > ibiblio.org::pub/docs/interactive-fiction/ ~/ifarchive
> > 
> > cut here.
> > On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Isaac Obie wrote:
> > 
> >> Zack,
> >> Jude Dashiell says there're games out there. I  just don't understand how 
> >> and where. Perhaps he'll explain it again???
> >> Isaac
> >> - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 10:49 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Accessible games in the Mac App Store
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> Hi,
> >>> Are you thinking of maccessibility.net?  They're still around, as far as I
> >>> know.  Their podcasts have made for very interesting listening over the
> >>> past while.
> >>> I agree, a compendium of accessible games for the Mac would be very nice.
> >>> There are quite a few for the iPhone, but the closest thing to a
> >>> compendium for the Mac I know if is the Mac section of www.pcsgames.net.
> >>> THere is, naturally, a much larger Windows section.
> >>> Unfortunately, my own search for accessible games for Mac has been largely
> >>> fruitless thus far.  I'll keep the list posted if I find anything.
> >>> Best,
> >>> Zack.
> >>> 
> >>> On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
> >>> >  Teresa:
> >>> >  I like that idea.  I've never been one to do games at all on my >  
> >>> > computer. So, I haven't a clue where to even look for something that >  
> >>> > would be fun, and accessible.  I'm lousy at games of strategy like >  
> >>> > chess, but I love games with words, riddles and things that make me >  
> >>> > think.  Anyway, there used to be accessibility.net, for iPhone games. > 
> >>> >  I've not checked it out and don't know if it's being kept up or would 
> >>> > be >  a starting place.
> >>> > >  If you do decide to do something, I'd be glad to help in any way >  
> >>> > > necessary.  I love researching stuff.
> >>> > >  Keep me posted
> >>> > >  Carolyn
> >>> >  On Feb 1, 2011, at 7:20 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> >>> > > >  Hi, all,
> >>> > > > >  i just found an accessible game in the Mac app store. It's 
> >>> > > > > called > >  Piano Game X and I believe it's $1.99 US. I 
> >>> > > > > accidentally discovered by > >  pressing the spacebar when first 
> >>> > > > > starting the game that it activated > >  the menus. It's a 
> >>> > > > > Simon-like game. It also has a keyboard to play for > >  free 
> >>> > > > > style, but there is only one full octave.
> >>> > > > >  Anyhow, has anyone else discovered accessible games in the Mac 
> >>> > > > > app > >  store? I've bought a few, only to discover that they 
> >>> > > > > weren't. Has > >  anyone heard of someone getting together a 
> >>> > > > > compendium of accessible > >  games? I think, as someone 
> >>> > > > > mentioned earlier, that it would be neat > >  for AppleVis to 
> >>

Re: Accessible games in the Mac App Store

[Jude DaShiell]

Try man chmod in terminal mode if you use a Mac computer.  This changes a 
text file into a mac/linux executeable file.  That means in terminal mode, 
you can type ./getgames.sh  on the command line and have something 
other than an error statement happen.  Going to the site, well you didn't 
do it using rsync, so you shouldn't expect to see any games. On Wed, 2 Feb 
2011, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Ok, so I have lots of questions. :)
> 
> What does it mean to chmod755 a file?  Also, I went to the site given in this 
> script, but didn't see any games a all.  How does one access the games?
> 
> I appreciate any clarification that anyone can provide.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Feb 2, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> 
> > As far as I can tell, this script automates the process of getting an 
> > archive of interactive fiction games from a particular website.
> > 
> > Teresa
> > On Feb 2, 2011, at 2:24 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > 
> >> Save the following script to a file then run the script.  Remember to 
> >> chmod 755 the file name first to make it executeable.  It will make an 
> >> ifarchive folder tree on your system the first time you run it and expect 
> >> it to take a while the first time you run it.  Then you run it later and 
> >> it will synchronize your collection with the archive.  You go into the 
> >> ifarchive/starters/ folder among others and start searching for files with 
> >> .zx where x is a number and these are the games.  You also downloaded 
> >> several game playing engines to use too, so do a little searching and 
> >> experimentation and you should at least be able to get the frotz games 
> >> going on your mac.  Cut here.
> >> #!/bin/bash
> >> rsync -rlptDv --bwlimit=0 --timeout=300 --partial --delete \
> >> ibiblio.org::pub/docs/interactive-fiction/ ~/ifarchive
> >> 
> >> cut here.
> >> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Isaac Obie wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Zack,
> >>> Jude Dashiell says there're games out there. I  just don't understand how 
> >>> and where. Perhaps he'll explain it again???
> >>> Isaac
> >>> - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
> >>> To: 
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 10:49 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Accessible games in the Mac App Store
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>> Are you thinking of maccessibility.net?  They're still around, as far as 
> >>>> I
> >>>> know.  Their podcasts have made for very interesting listening over the
> >>>> past while.
> >>>> I agree, a compendium of accessible games for the Mac would be very nice.
> >>>> There are quite a few for the iPhone, but the closest thing to a
> >>>> compendium for the Mac I know if is the Mac section of www.pcsgames.net.
> >>>> THere is, naturally, a much larger Windows section.
> >>>> Unfortunately, my own search for accessible games for Mac has been 
> >>>> largely
> >>>> fruitless thus far.  I'll keep the list posted if I find anything.
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Zack.
> >>>> 
> >>>> On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
> >>>>> Teresa:
> >>>>> I like that idea.  I've never been one to do games at all on my >  
> >>>>> computer. So, I haven't a clue where to even look for something that >  
> >>>>> would be fun, and accessible.  I'm lousy at games of strategy like >  
> >>>>> chess, but I love games with words, riddles and things that make me >  
> >>>>> think.  Anyway, there used to be accessibility.net, for iPhone games. > 
> >>>>>  I've not checked it out and don't know if it's being kept up or would 
> >>>>> be >  a starting place.
> >>>>>> If you do decide to do something, I'd be glad to help in any way >  
> >>>>>> necessary.  I love researching stuff.
> >>>>>> Keep me posted
> >>>>>> Carolyn
> >>>>> On Feb 1, 2011, at 7:20 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi, all,
> >>>>>>>> i just found an accessible game in the Mac app store. It's called > 
> >>>>>>>> >  Piano Game X and I believe it's $1.99 US. I accidentally 
> >>>>>>>> discovered by > >  pressing th

Re: Accessible games in the Mac App Store

[Jude DaShiell]

Save the following script to a file then run the script.  Remember to 
chmod 755 the file name first to make it executeable.  It will make an 
ifarchive folder tree on your system the first time you run it and 
expect it to take a while the first time you run it.  Then you run it 
later and it will synchronize your collection with the archive.  You go 
into the ifarchive/starters/ folder among others and start searching for 
files with .zx where x is a number and these are the games.  You also 
downloaded several game playing engines to use too, so do a little 
searching and experimentation and you should at least be able to get the 
frotz games going on your mac.  Cut here.

#!/bin/bash
rsync -rlptDv --bwlimit=0 --timeout=300 --partial --delete \
ibiblio.org::pub/docs/interactive-fiction/ ~/ifarchive

cut here.
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Isaac Obie 
wrote:



Zack,
Jude Dashiell says there're games out there. I  just don't understand how and 
where. Perhaps he'll explain it again???

Isaac
- Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible games in the Mac App Store



 Hi,
 Are you thinking of maccessibility.net?  They're still around, as far as I
 know.  Their podcasts have made for very interesting listening over the
 past while.
 I agree, a compendium of accessible games for the Mac would be very nice.
 There are quite a few for the iPhone, but the closest thing to a
 compendium for the Mac I know if is the Mac section of www.pcsgames.net.
 THere is, naturally, a much larger Windows section.
 Unfortunately, my own search for accessible games for Mac has been largely
 fruitless thus far.  I'll keep the list posted if I find anything.
 Best,
 Zack.

 On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:

>  Teresa:
>  I like that idea.  I've never been one to do games at all on my 
>  computer. So, I haven't a clue where to even look for something that 
>  would be fun, and accessible.  I'm lousy at games of strategy like 
>  chess, but I love games with words, riddles and things that make me 
>  think.  Anyway, there used to be accessibility.net, for iPhone games. 
>  I've not checked it out and don't know if it's being kept up or would be 
>  a starting place.
> 
>  If you do decide to do something, I'd be glad to help in any way 
>  necessary.  I love researching stuff.
> 
>  Keep me posted
> 
>  Carolyn

>  On Feb 1, 2011, at 7:20 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> 
> >  Hi, all,
> > 
> >  i just found an accessible game in the Mac app store. It's called 
> >  Piano Game X and I believe it's $1.99 US. I accidentally discovered by 
> >  pressing the spacebar when first starting the game that it activated 
> >  the menus. It's a Simon-like game. It also has a keyboard to play for 
> >  free style, but there is only one full octave.
> > 
> >  Anyhow, has anyone else discovered accessible games in the Mac app 
> >  store? I've bought a few, only to discover that they weren't. Has 
> >  anyone heard of someone getting together a compendium of accessible 
> >  games? I think, as someone mentioned earlier, that it would be neat 
> >  for AppleVis to have a desktop section. Barring that, I'd be willing 
> >  to help organize something.
> > 
> >  Thanks,

> >  Teresa
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Re: deleted something important

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Look in the trash folder that's probably where you'll find it and if you 
do it quickly you may get it back with all contents intact.  You'll need 
to do a copy command-c when you land on it and move to where it needs to 
be and do command-v then see how mail reacts.On Mon, 31 Jan 2011, Rose 
Morales wrote:



Cheree,
Is there not a way either in your email client of choice or on the web to 
simply recreate that folder? Most email providers allow for this.
Rose
On Jan 31, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Cheree Heppe wrote:


Cheree Heppe here:

I deleted my Important Mail folder.

Don't know how I did this.

I would like to get this folder back because my E-mail account is requiring it 
and keeps sending me an error message.

Any suggestions, other than be more careful?


Regards,
Cheree Heppe

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Re: audible.com mac os and book port authorization

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Almost for sure that small file is a hidden file.  Unhide all files on the 
device and see if you come up with some new file names. On Thu, 20 Jan 
2011, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:



Hi all.

I had to get a new SD card for my book port plus which stopped recognizing the 
previous card. I am now at a block in the road because I cannot figure out how 
to authorize my book port plus using my air.  I know there is a small file that 
gets put onto the sd card, and since the previous card still works on the air 
but not the book port, I looked for that file and can't find it.  The new card 
is working happily with nls books, but what do I need to do in the mac 
environment to authorize book port plus or the sd card so that I can listen to 
my audible books?  I feel like I should know this, but I do not.  Any help will 
be appreciated.

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Re: new to mac gaming need help

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It would help if you saved the getgames.sh script from this message. 
It'll be between the two cut here lines.  What it does is to use rsync 
to download the whole ifarchive game set and keep it up to date when run 
again.  It makes an ifarchive folder tree in your user directory and 
under the ifarchive folder in the starters folder will be found software 
to play these games.   You'll need to wait a while wile the whole 4gb+ 
archive is downloaded at first but future updates only download changed 
or new material so they'll be shorter.  This was shared on the speakup 
mailing list and works on the mac too.

cut here:

#!/bin/bash
rsync -rlptDv --bwlimit=0 --timeout=300 --partial --delete \
ibiblio.org::pub/docs/interactive-fiction/ ~/ifarchive

cut here:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Carolyn Haas 
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Hi Ed:
Welcome.  You may want to check out maccessibility.net, and I think another 
possibility is applevis.com

HTH
Carolyn H
On Jan 19, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Ed Worrell wrote:


Hello my name is Ed,

I got a macbook pro not to long ago. I was wondering if you guys could help me 
find some good accessible games for the Mac. I came from a windowsbackground 
and I can't seem to find any blind accessible games for the mac in searches.

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Re: Antivirus Software: Needed or not?

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The people that really do need antivirus protection are most of the 
population of cell phone users who use "feature phones".  Cell phones are 
either "feature phones" or "smart phones".  The IPhone is a smart phone. 
There are five sms messages that can be sent at those feature phones to 
take most phones off the air around the world.  There are problems with 
smart phones too but those are different problems and the network 
providers will have to address these issues later.  The feature phones 
like everything on Verizon are wide open right now and will remain so 
until verizon and similar networks clean up their acts.On Sat, 15 Jan 
2011, Brianna Snyder wrote:



Hi,

I was just wondering exactly what the subject says. Do you need one? Do any of 
you use one, and if so, what do you use?
I don't hae any kind of antivirus software on my Mac, and was just wondering if 
I should install one.

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Re: Antivirus Software: Needed or not?

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I don't use one now nor do I need one now either.  When I do need one, 
Apple will have installed it on my computer through software update. 
Apple will also update it as necessary too.  This will all happen since 
Apple has a high interest in keeping its own computer resources malware 
free as well as any software it distributes and the app store too. 
Nobody yet in Southern Maryland Mac User's group has any of these packages 
either for the same reasons. On Sat, 15 Jan 2011, Brianna Snyder wrote:



Hi,

I was just wondering exactly what the subject says. Do you need one? Do any of 
you use one, and if so, what do you use?
I don't hae any kind of antivirus software on my Mac, and was just wondering if 
I should install one.

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Re: reading all in pages

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Is there a setting in preferences something like fit to screen or fit to 
page?  It may help to change that to fit to window like what needed to be 
done with text edit.On Sun, 9 Jan 2011, Laura Bratton wrote:



Hi All,
When I press VO A  in pages it will read down to the bottom of that page. How 
do I change the settings so that I can read the whole document?
Thanks,
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Re: xm radio

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On the pc, why not select that listen now link then hit shift-f10 and 
check out the link's properties?  One of the things that shows up in the 
properties is the complete url name.  Once you've got that, why not try a 
direct route to that url using safari on the mac thus bypassing that 
captia. On Fri, 14 Jan 2011, Chris Snyder wrote:



Hi guys,
I'm trying to log into XM on my mac, and listen online. There's a captcha image 
which prevents me from doing it. Is there a way for us to listen? What's weird 
is that on the PC there is a listen online now link which doesn't appear on the 
mac version. What is with that I wonder?

Friendly,
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Re: VLC app removed from App Store

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1) vlc player was put into the App Store by him when relations between
   Apple and Nokia were better.  2)  He wrote that software.  vlc differs
   from vlc player since vlc doesn't run on the IPhone and comes from a
   different software writing group having no connection to Nokia.  The
   vlc writing group is in France while Nokia is based out of Finland.On
   Sun, 9 Jan 2011, Christina wrote:


I apologize but I don't understand on what grounds he had apple remove VLC from 
the app store?  Why did he choose VLC player?  What does VLC player have to do 
with the cell phone company.  It's confusing.  :)

Christina
On Jan 9, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:


Because the programmer is an employee of Nokia and Nokia has litigation going 
on with Apple.  He wanted to show how loyal he is in hopes of getting a 
promotion or bonus.  I predict he'll get fired though as a consequence of the 
bad publicity for Nokia though.On Sun, 9 Jan 2011, Christina wrote:


OK, I feel really dumb but I've read and read this article and I don't get the 
story at all.  I just don't get it.  I have the app on my phone but I don't 
understand why it was pulled from the itunes store and why the guy wanted it 
taken.  Maybe I'm just not tech savvy enough to understand the story.

Happy Sunday,
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Re: VLC app removed from App Store

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Because the programmer is an employee of Nokia and Nokia has litigation 
going on with Apple.  He wanted to show how loyal he is in hopes of 
getting a promotion or bonus.  I predict he'll get fired though as a 
consequence of the bad publicity for Nokia though.On Sun, 9 Jan 2011, 
Christina wrote:



OK, I feel really dumb but I've read and read this article and I don't get the 
story at all.  I just don't get it.  I have the app on my phone but I don't 
understand why it was pulled from the itunes store and why the guy wanted it 
taken.  Maybe I'm just not tech savvy enough to understand the story.

Happy Sunday,
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Re: winmail.dat files and the Mac

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Probably not going to be useful, but if she exports contacts those can go 
to a .txt file that shouldn't be difficult to handle.  If all those 
contacts are in the safe senders list just export safe senders list and 
that's automatically done as a *.txt file.On Wed, 5 Jan 2011, Michael 
Busboom wrote:



Hello listers,

At work, I have to deal with large lists of email recipients whom I wish to 
contact on a more or less regular basis.  One of the partners with whom I work 
sent me a list of e-mail contacts which she apparently managed through 
Microsoft's Outlook program.  I had asked her to send me a list of contacts so 
that I could import them into my Mac address book.  In the address book, I had 
hoped to define this list of contacts as a group, i.e. I would enter the name 
of the group, and the mail I intended to send would go out to everyone on that 
particular list.  I have two problems and could use some feedback, please:

1. The file that she attached in her email was called winmail.dat. Whenever I place the 
VO window on the attachment, VO says: "winmail.dat - image"  I am unable to 
save the file or do anything else with it, for that matter.  Why is this so?

2.  This person has offered to send me this particular list of contacts in a 
different format, should I need it.  If I cannot resolve the winmail.dat 
dilemma, how should I apprise her of what format might work better?

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Re: ot: or maybe not, thunder?

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More and better add-on programs than any other screen reader on or off the 
market too.On Mon, 3 Jan 2011, Karen Lewellen wrote:


I say or maybe not due to those here who want to run mac and windows, and the 
kind nod these folks make to the mac.
Its a largely European project with some good backing, and some even better 
motives.
forgive me if this has been shared before, I have little reason to read up on 
windows things lol.

www.screenreader.net
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Re: Very strange issue after update to SL, Please help

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Why not run disk utility and repair permissions and see if this improves 
your performance?On Mon, 3 Jan 2011, rayna424 wrote:



I was hoping to wake up and find a solution here lol! Is everyone as
lost as I am? If you've never heard of this or have no idea, do you
have any idea of what I might try? Should I bother calling Apple?
Their people don't seem to know much about VO. Should I just be
grateful that for now, restarting VO solves the problem?

Thanks for any possible ideas...

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Mac mini 4 sale (fwd)

[Jude DaShiell]

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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 05:17:51
From: Isaac Obie 
To: blin...@listserv.uark.edu
Subject: Mac mini 4 sale

Hi guys:
I have a Mac mini for sale. This is the latest model that came out
June 15th, 2010. Is is underwarrantry until July 05, 2011.
This unit has four gigabytes of ram and a 307gb hard drive. It has a 2.4 core 
processor.
It comes in original box with keyboard & mouse.
I am selling it because I have a macbook.
 Asking $700 plus shipping.
 Thanks!
 Isaac Obie
 coac...@verizon.net

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Re: basic financial software

[Jude DaShiell]

see finance may be useful for you.On Thu, 30 Dec 2010, Jeffrey Wheatley 
wrote:



Hello All.  I am transitioning much of my personal computing work to my new 
Mac, and am trying to find Mac replacements for my current PC applications.  I 
have used Quicken for years on the PC, but I do not need most of its function.  
Basically, I log into a couple of banks, manually download transactions to 
Quicken into my couple of accounts, and then categorize my transactions into 
the funds or buckets of money we use for eating out, groceries and other budget 
areas.  I make sure I balance with the bank, and run fund balance reports.  We 
enter a few checks as well.  that is it.

I searched the archives a bit and saw a few references to Checkbook and 
Quicken.  I have not found a 'VO supported applications' list as yet.  I would 
greatly appreciate recommendations.  My apologies if I have missed this 
information in my searches.

Thanks and regards, Jeff

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Re: locking the iPhone screen in horizontal layout?

[Jude DaShiell]

I'm running ios 4.2.1 current version on an IPhone 3GS.On Tue, 28 Dec 
2010, Cheree wrote:





Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2010, at 9:50, Ricardo Walker  wrote:


Hi,

What version of IOS are you running on your iPhone?


Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197



On Dec 28, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:


I want to lock my phone in portrait, but the app switcher then three finger 
swipe right does nothing.  Guess I'll keep trying, :).  I really do not like 
landscape mode in the least.

Marlaina
On Dec 27, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Robert Hooper wrote:

Just for future reference (and to avoid possible confusion), the layout in which you are locking 
the phone is "portrait"--that is, with the phone vertically positioned. The closest 
equivalent to the aforementioned "horizontal" layout would be landscape, which is active 
when the phone is being used on its side (with the home button to the left or right as opposed to 
the bottom center).

Robert Hooper
hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
The Ohio State University
553 Morrill Tower
1900 Cannon Drive
Columbus, Ohio 43210
(740) 856-9435


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On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 2:57 PM
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Subject: Re: locking the iphone screen in horizontal layout?

Thanks Ricardo. I knew I'd seen it.
Donna


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:


Hi,

its in the first page of the app switcher.  So when you open the switcher, do a 
3 finger swipe right.  The orientation lock button will be The first iTem.

hth left

Ricardo Walker
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On Dec 27, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:


Hi all,

Where is the setting that enables one to do this?  I swear I've seen it a 
million times, but now that I'm actually looking for it, I can't seem to find 
it.
Donna

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Re: another help issue

[Jude DaShiell]

It's called Mercury retrograde.On Mon, 27 Dec 2010, May McDonald wrote:


Ok, now I got the wireless problem fixed some other darn problem has
come up. Just my unlucky day I think.

I haven't received any mail from my gmail account through applemail,
is anyone else having this problem? Also, I just discovered that all
of my folders have disappeared. I'm hoping that applemail and gmail
just aren't getting along at the moment and will decide to work
together again later since it was working this morning. Any ideas?

May

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Re: saving VO settings

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I think I know the answer to this mystery.  root account voiceover 
settings override user account voiceover settings.  Probably to date, no 
changes were ever made to the root account voiceover settings, so on 
reboot voiceover settings revert back to those in the root account. On 
Mon, 27 Dec 2010, Robert Nelson wrote:



Dear Laura,

I am sorry I cannot help you.  I have an IMac and whenever I update my VO 
settings either through Voice Utility or the keyboard shortcut of 
control-option-command right arrow, left  arrow etc or using the  control  VO+v 
verbosity dialogue box it saves the settings  forever or until I make any 
changes.  It  saves them automatically  when I close the dialogue box or 
utility window.I have no idea why your system  reverts to the default 
settings.

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Re: deleting wireless connection

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See if you can set those connections as inactive. On Mon, 27 Dec 2010, May 
McDonald wrote:



Ok, I need some assistance here. I need to remove some wireless connections but 
I don't see a remove button. Any suggestions?

May
On 2010-07-10, at 1:54 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:


Hi May,

to remove a wireless network connection:

1.  go to System Preferences.
2.  Select Network.
3.  In the Services Table, make sure that Airport is selected.
4.   Navigate to the Advanced button and press it.
5.  Select the Airport tab.
6.  Select the network from the Preferred Networks Table.
7.  Press the Remove button.

That should do it for you.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2010-07-10, at 10:14 AM, May McDonald wrote:


How do you delete a wireless connection? I did it once before but for the life 
of me I can't remember how.

May

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Re: best office package for Mac?

[Jude DaShiell]

Lotus Symphony is also available but actually getting to where you can 
download that package is likely to be the most difficult aspect of that 
package.  It's got the lotus spreadsheet and lotus domino and lotus notes 
for email.On Thu, 23 Dec 2010, Sarah Alawami wrote:



I don't use this but ask some members on this list about pages and the iworks 
sweet. You could also use open office as well.

S
On Dec 23, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Adrian Higginbotham wrote:


Hi all:
I'm new to the list and very new to Macs.
I've had an ipod touch for a couple of months and am about to get a macbook
pro mainly for use in part time study. I'll be stuck with windows at work
but hope to be depending on the mac at home as soon as possible.

As i'll be using my machine for professional writing tasks, such as
freelance journalism, and my postgrad study I'll be needing a professional
word processor ideally with other office suite applications too. Is Works
the only show in town or are there any other packages to consider?

Thanks for your help.

Adrian Higginbotham
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Re: Google Chrome and Mac

[Jude DaShiell]

I suggest you interact with the search box and then try again.On Wed, 22 
Dec 2010, Kimberly thurman wrote:



I just downloaded and installed Chrome.  All I see is a search box and a place 
to enter a URL, but every time I try to type in either of these, I get the bonk 
sound.  What am I doing wrong?
On Dec 22, 2010, at 8:42 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:


After ejecting the image, highlight it and press command backspace to move it 
to the trash. The newest beta of the browser is accessible.
On Dec 22, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:


Hi All, I came across an interesting application called Google Chrome, which 
from what I understand in reading the overview, is a type of web browser; 
however, it didn't seem to be really accessible, in my opinion.  Looking at the 
instructions, it said you have to drag the Disk Image to the Trash folder, once 
Google Chrome is installed.  Has anyone had any experience with this particular 
browser, and does one have to create a folder for it in which to install?  
Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.

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Re: New I phone owners, was, Re: differences between I pad and I pod touch?

[Jude DaShiell]

If any of those veterans are Civil Servants, they need to point that out 
too since that's an additional discount. On Sat, 18 Dec 2010, Scott Ford 
wrote:



Excelent thank you.  I went and got my wife and daughter a iphone 4 for 
Christmas.  I will be getting one from the VA at the end of January.  If there 
are any veterans you should make sure that you are receiving the 15% off on the 
primary service plan, along with 15% off on all data charges.  This saved quite 
a bit of money.
Sincerely,
Scott

On Dec 18, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Jane wrote:


Hello.

I have all bu one email account set to iMap. I love it, because I can check on 
any machine, make changes, and they show up on the others.

Just so you know Mail on the iDevices seems to handle Gmail, Yahoo, AOL with no 
additional tweaking.  You can set up others like ComCast or Earthlink or 
whatever under the 'Other' setting.  I simply have to switch ComCast to iMap 
later.

Jane


On Dec 18, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Scott Ford wrote:


Hello everyone,
Can anyone tell me if the I products can do Imap mail?
Thank you
Scott

On Dec 17, 2010, at 4:19 PM, Caitlyn and Nicky wrote:


Lol, we just got I phones today!  Mark's n 95 is in the process of dying and 
that's why we were thinking of upgrading this soon, anyway, but if we could 
hold out until our upgrade date in Ap[ril, we were going to try that instead to 
save some money.Anyway, we called our provider just on a whim to see what 
they could/would offer if we threatened to leave and they offered something we 
couldn't refuse, so we bit.

Is there anything we need to know when we get these things.  We have to call 
customer service so they can activate the sim cards in thephones, but other 
then that, I think we need to hook them up to the pc to I tunes to activate 
voiceover, etc, right?  Anything else, like calibrating the touch screen, etc?

On 16/12/2010 7:00 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

Well Cait, when it comes down to sharing, I'd go for the iPod because as much 
as I love my wife, I sure as hell won't share my toys with her. :) Yep, when I 
got the iPhone, she had to have one as well or I would never have heard the end 
of it. Now I said I was considering an iPad and so, she is considering one as 
well. Maybe the real problem is not sharing, but finding the time to share. :)
Good luck with whatever device you choose.
Scott





On Dec 16, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Caitlyn and Nicky wrote:


Thanks, Scott.  Mark is trying to decide between the two, but he's totally new 
to the world of Mac and also to touch screen environments.  I thought the pad 
would just be easier and might be more functional then the touch...  But where 
we live, we can get two of the touches for one of the pads, which has some 
appeal as we wouldn't have to share.

Cait


On 16/12/2010 2:55 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

Caitlyn,

Some argue the iPad is a larger iPod; however, that is incorrect. There are of 
course many similarities, but the interface is different. THe additional screen 
size does allow for a different navigation experience for both blind and 
sighted individuals. SOme would say the web browsing is much easier and 
provides a greater idea of the page layout. I am sure those who have both 
devices will comment more extensively, but I am giving the iPad some serious 
consideration for my family. I can see using the iPad to serve a variety of 
needs and having a central or couple of central machines for syncing and 
purposes that are not suited to the iPad. I already have an iPhone and find 
this to be incredibly useful; however, I feel the iPad does meet a need and 
certainly I can see it taking the place of a notebook while traveling when a 
full-blown machine is not required.
Scott





On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Caitlyn and Nicky wrote:


Hi,

My husband wants me to ask what the differences are between the I pad and the I 
pod touch.

As far as I can see, the only difference is the size.  Is this so, and if not, 
what are the others?

Thanks,
Caitlyn

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Re: SEE Finance, There's Hope for Us

[Jude DaShiell]

If see finance offers a budgeting capability where users could set up 
their own categories and track expenses with tabular text output being 
available, I'd probably buy it.On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Les Kriegler wrote:



Can you tell me more about Money3?  What types of accounts can be tracked?  I'm 
hoping to settle on SEE Finance, but I'm not ready to jump on their bandwagon 
just yet.

Les

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Re: just a thought, might be interesting for the future

[Jude DaShiell]

soundrts is a competitor to world of warcraft only problem is or maybe was 
it works on Tiger but not Leopard or Snow Leopard.  I just got a 
refurbished imac which I've been told the most it can do is Tiger so I may 
have me a gaming platform.  I don't know what would happen if soundrts 
were installed on snow leopard could that even be done and don't know how 
accessible the game will be after that.  I was just about to find all of 
that stuff out about that game when I upgraded from tiger to leopard.On 
Thu, 16 Dec 2010, Eric Oyen wrote:



Yuma,
I played that game for a better part of 3 years before I lost my remaining 
sight 5 months ago. even for a low partial, it was hard, but fun. 
unfortunately, it is no longer playable for me (unless they can fix the sound 
environment).

-Eric

On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote:


Here is a link about some accessiblity improvements from blizzard on their 
world of warcraft game

http://www.ablegamers.com/game-news/blizzard-speaks-to-ablegamers-on-the-new-accessibility-options-in-wow.html


I know, this is one step too far from us blind individuals, but it means that 
there is an effort from blizzard, and having played the game myself for a full 
month when i was sighted, the richness of the game made me reminisce over these 
hours spent building my character.

Does anyone here have a link to a place where we can forward discuss gameplay 
elements for blind gamers? Starting this trend if it is not already, would make 
for some interesting abstractions of the visual content into audio ready 
playability.



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Re: Is there a "go to" a specific coordinate command in VoiceOver (fwd)

[Jude DaShiell]

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 09:36:08
From: Theresa Ford 
To: Jude DaShiell 
Cc: louiem...@wavecable.com
Subject: Re: Is there a "go to" a specific coordinate command in VoiceOver (fwd)

Jude,

I did a simple utility for you that moves the mouse to a specific X Y
coordinate on the screen.
It is VoiceOver compatible.
I also uploaded the source for the others working on applications in
case they want
to include the feature.

http://www.cattail.nu/mac/move_mouse/

You'll likely have to forward this back to your list to get to the right people.

- T

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 3:33 AM, Jude DaShiell  wrote:





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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:36:49
From: louie 
Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is there a "go to" a specific coordinate command in
VoiceOver

Check out:
URL=http://www.hamsoftengineering.com/codeSharing/MouseTools/MouseTools.html
I have been working on a screen explore for voice over.
I could use some help on this project.


On Dec 15, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Slau wrote:


Hey Chuck,

No, there's currently no way to enter that coordinate information. The
only thing that can be done is moving the mouse pointer and constantly
querying VoiceOver. It's a feature I requested long ago. In fact, I had
requested the feature that allowed one to query the position relative to
window as opposed to position on screen. However, they didn't implement the
second request which was to be able to manually enter coordinates.

QuicKeys will absolutely work in any window. The trick is positioning the
pointer first which is the key.

Best,

Slau

On Dec 15, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Chuck Reichel wrote:


Hi Listers,
I am looking for a Go to a specific coordinate command in VoiceOver?
,
Is there a specific command in VoiceOver to tell the cursors to go to say
9 inches over and 5 inches down?
I haven't found it in VoiceOver?
I know VoiceOver will announce the position by hitting mouse location
twice "VO f5"
I need to get to a screen position in Avids ProTools plugin window that
VO won't read!
There is a "Load" button for waves tool bar that has to be accessed to
get to the Presets to load them.
I already tried mouse keys even after 96 clicks to the right and 96
clicks down LOL several times the load button wont click!
I am not sure Quickeys operates inside the PT Plugin window!
any thoughts?
Thanks

Chuck Reichel
954-742-0019

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Re: Is there a "go to" a specific coordinate command in VoiceOver (fwd)

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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 09:36:08
From: Theresa Ford 
To: Jude DaShiell 
Cc: louiem...@wavecable.com
Subject: Re: Is there a "go to" a specific coordinate command in VoiceOver (fwd)

Jude,

I did a simple utility for you that moves the mouse to a specific X Y
coordinate on the screen.
It is VoiceOver compatible.
I also uploaded the source for the others working on applications in
case they want
to include the feature.

http://www.cattail.nu/mac/move_mouse/

You'll likely have to forward this back to your list to get to the right people.

- T

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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:36:49
From: louie 
Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is there a "go to" a specific coordinate command in
VoiceOver

Check out:
URL=http://www.hamsoftengineering.com/codeSharing/MouseTools/MouseTools.html
I have been working on a screen explore for voice over.
I could use some help on this project.


On Dec 15, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Slau wrote:


Hey Chuck,

No, there's currently no way to enter that coordinate information. The
only thing that can be done is moving the mouse pointer and constantly
querying VoiceOver. It's a feature I requested long ago. In fact, I had
requested the feature that allowed one to query the position relative to
window as opposed to position on screen. However, they didn't implement the
second request which was to be able to manually enter coordinates.

QuicKeys will absolutely work in any window. The trick is positioning the
pointer first which is the key.

Best,

Slau

On Dec 15, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Chuck Reichel wrote:


Hi Listers,
I am looking for a Go to a specific coordinate command in VoiceOver?
,
Is there a specific command in VoiceOver to tell the cursors to go to say
9 inches over and 5 inches down?
I haven't found it in VoiceOver?
I know VoiceOver will announce the position by hitting mouse location
twice "VO f5"
I need to get to a screen position in Avids ProTools plugin window that
VO won't read!
There is a "Load" button for waves tool bar that has to be accessed to
get to the Presets to load them.
I already tried mouse keys even after 96 clicks to the right and 96
clicks down LOL several times the load button wont click!
I am not sure Quickeys operates inside the PT Plugin window!
any thoughts?
Thanks

Chuck Reichel
954-742-0019

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Re: re-accessible internet speedtest sites

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That will not be the way for you to proceed then.  You'd first have to 
install fink and get fink to update available packages then get fink to 
download and install lynx for you, all of it inside terminal mode and lynx 
is a terminal mode application itself too.On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, chad wrote:



hi how do you install lynx i'm not comfortable using the terminal

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Re: accessible internet speed test sites

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Well, speedtest.net is accessible if you use lynx.  Maybe not safari, but 
lynx certainly and lynx is available through fink.On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, 
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hi do you guys know of any accessible internet speed test sites?
i tried speedtest.net but it wasn't accessible
also i tried testmyspeed no luck there

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Re: Which VLC player am I suposed to download?

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What happened when you ran cvlc in terminal mode followed by a file or url 
to play?On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Ray Foret Jr wrote:



Well, if I want to listen to the live stream of:

www.wwl.com

Silverlight is required.  I never had any issues getting it to work.

Now, with the flash stopping extension, (I forget for the moment what it's 
called), I do have to press a couple of extra buttons for it to work; but, It's 
really not hard to tell where the buttons are.

So far as VLC, I uninstalled it because I found it wasn't behaving itself.  I 
found that it would never play at the standard eefault level, and, I couldn't 
get the buttons to press quietly without their names being said every time.

I have a feeling that's for another thread, however.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

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On Dec 13, 2010, at 8:32 PM, Christina wrote:


OK, so I'm going to uncheck it and not install that as part of the install 
package for flip4mac.

Christina
On Dec 13, 2010, at 7:29 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:


i don't remember installing silver light.  i've had flip for mac on my computer 
for over a year now.  good luck wish i was more help, max
On Dec 13, 2010, at 8:11 PM, Christina wrote:


Ok, so I'm trying to install this and the flip4mac also wants to install a 
component called Microsoft silverlight.  I looked it up but I still don't 
understand what this is and if I need it.  I really just want to make sure it's 
safe to put on my mac. I don't like garbage on my computer that will cause me 
problems down the road.

Thanks so much,
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Re: mac mini should I?

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I own a Mac Mini and you need to make it known VoiceOver will be used 
and have a dvd burner installed in it.  It'll be a little more expensive 
at first but will pay for itself when you start doing things with large 
volumes of data.  When you get the unit, and get it set up needs an 
ethernet cable for internet no phone modems they're too slow.  Also a 
couple disks come with the machine.  When you put the operating system 
disk in, and don't type anything for a few seconds the computer will 
start asking you questions you answer with the keyboard and go from 
there.  Most of the peripheral connections are usb 2.0 and monitors run 
at most $100.00 U.S. in places like Wal-Mart.  Keyboards are cheap as 
are mice.  Speakers can run into money but the mac mini hasn't got the 
connector for the really expensive speakers.  Those connectors have 
edges in them and very few pins.  Speaker jack is farthest to the left 
Mic to its right.  Power button on far right.  If more memory is 
available than 2 gig and you can afford it, buy it and have it installed 
for you.  Hard drive capacities have increased in later models than the 
Mini I now have, but if offered optional extra hard drive space maybe 
better to buy that than more memory.  In future as a separate purchase, 
buy a time capsule for backups of your stuff.  They connect to the mac 
Mini wirelessly.  If you work for the government, state so when buying 
you get discounts possibly even in England.  Find your local mac user's 
group and start attending meetings, the friends you make there can be 
very informative.


On Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Joe Paton wrote:


Good evening all.

I'm new to the list, so please bear with my ignorance.

I'm thinking about buying a Mac Mini and of course accessing it through VO.

Is there anything I should be aware of before doing this, based on the 
overall experience of list members?
It appears to be the least expensive route into apple products to me, but I 
could be wrong.


I'm based in the uk if that makes a jot of difference.

Thanks.

Joe

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Re: mudding on the mac

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In terminal mode, try telnet ancientanguish.org and see what happens.


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Re: basic questions

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Windows can save email in different formats.  Were you to open up your 
saved email assuming you didn't use save as and just saved email, you 
could select all of it then would want to make a new folder and enter that 
folder.  move everything in My Documents into that new folder.  Then put 
the entire contents of My Documents in the recycle bin leaving 
subdirectories like mail alone.  Then with all saved messages selected, do 
a save as and select text or html and save.  You'll have a bunch of new 
files in My Documents all with an eml or html or txt extension.  Move all 
of these over to that new folder you created.  Then copy that new folder 
over to your mac.  I'm sure importing of email is possible with extra 
software packages on the mac that may cost some money, however for a one 
off job it may not make sense to buy that software.  If the whole office 
is going to do it on the other hand provided that software works well, it 
would be a good buy then.On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Damon Fibraio wrote:







OK. Kind of new here. Been using my macs mostly with bootcamp running
Windows. Kind of thinking I should at least make an attempt to learn the mac
os at some point, right? I removed my bootcamp partition on my mac mini and
intend on using that as my learning computer as well as my broadcast machine
for my internet radio stuff. I'm starting to get somewhere, I do have the
basic of voiceover down, thanks to my iphone and my magic trackpad and such.
I do have what I think may be some more advanced questions.



ON my macbook pro, which I use for work, I was thinking of tossing the
windows xp partition. However, I have stored up a bunch of work related
emails in outlook 2003. Not to mention all my work documentation in my
documents folder. I am sure I could access the windows partition on the mac
side and copy the documents folder over and I would hope that there is a way
to open and work with excel spreadsheets, which contain time sheet that I'd
need to fill out as well as word documents. The main issue is extracting the
outlook mal that I have saved, which I need since there is a lot of work
related info I may need to reference. Anybody ever try this? Is there an
accessible spreadsheet app I can pick up that will allow me to work with
excel spreadsheets for time sheet info and a word processor that handles
word documents. I have adium as a messenger app, so will try to figure that
out soon.



If this doesn't work out, maybe it's a good idea to put vm fusion on the
Mac. I've been seeing people doing this, but haven't paid incredible
attention to detail as I was just getting my head into the mac os as it was.
So, how well does vm fusion work as compared to bootcamp. Is it a viable
option to use? I am running this on a mac book pro, 2008 vintage, 2.4 ghz
processor, 200gb hard drive, 4gb of ram, running snow leopard.



I'm mainly asking this as my xp partition which is now 2 years old is
slowing way down and honestly getting tired of switching back and forth when
I want to use the mac side of things. So, thought maybe vm fusion is a
better way to go for now, or if I can copy the stuff I need out of the pc,
just ditch windows entirely. Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: Undownloaded Podcasts

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select each track and hit control-option-shift-m on it to bring up the 
context menu.  Then down arrow into the context menu, I think download 
track will be one of the choices you're offered.  Hit enter on that 
choice and another track will appear on your disk if enough room is 
present to store the  track for you.


On Tue, 7 Dec 2010, Israel wrote:


Greeting Mac Visionaries Family,

A while back, I subscribed to the Maccessibility podcast.  At the time, I was not too confident 
with my way around my new Mac so I had sighted assistance.  More recently, I've been playing around 
with subscribing to different podcasts through iTunes.  On Monday evening, I subscribed to a 
podcast called Bores And Bernstein out of an all sports radio station in Chicago.  It is a daily 
five hour program so each podcast is broken up into five separate one hour tracks.  I noticed that 
iTunes downloaded Monday afternoon show, but I was only able to play two of the tracks as the other 
three were labelled "undownloaded."  The first and fifth hour were fine, but the middle 
three were not.  In the table listing the tracks, I noticed each hour from the five shows 
broadcasted last week appeared, but every single one was labelled "undownloaded."

I kept refreshing thinking that would do it.  I read over iTunes Help but was 
not able to find out how do I download the other tracks.  Is it a setting 
issue?  What am I suppose to do to ensure each track is downloaded?

Thank you all!

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Re: the adobe flash accessibility petition

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Another case in point.  The navy which is covered by Section 508 uses 
flash to make all of its mandatory training.  Same problem you experience 
with facebook all screen reader users that use jfw are confronted with for 
this reason.  The alternate form of the training uses powerpoint and 
sometimes even that training is done so badly screen readers can't read it 
either.  So we have to drop back to Plan C which involves specialists in 
particular areas administering the training personally. On Sun, 5 Dec 
2010, Orin wrote:



Case in point, if anyone has Facebook and plays Legacy of a Thousand Suns, the 
story is text based, but they use flash to add music and sound effects and also 
graphics. This is why I find it annoying because the story is actually quite 
good, I just can't seem to play it on either Mac or windows. Neither screen 
reader sees the flash.


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On Dec 5, 2010, at 1:37 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote:


Your point is valid, but if you have seen what flash can do visually, you would 
have a different opinion on the matter.

We are left out of the flash advances because it is actually completely 
visually oriented. This makes giving a more audio textual functionality to it 
less enticing for the makers, who are after all, not as capable or have the 
ressources to dedicate a full team on the subject.

As for the spam thing, i believe maccessibility is an honorable site with real 
intentions when proposing a petition for such matters as accessibility, as it's 
their spinach and butter. So no fear of being spammed, google's backing me up 
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Re: the adobe flash accessibility petition

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It doesn't matter whether any site dealing in petitions is honorable or 
not.  Most of the times when hackers get that information, the sites 
themselves don't even know that it's been done let alone profit from any 
arrangement with criminals.  The criminals break into the sites and grab 
what they want and then leave.  Most of the Federal Government with the 
exception of a few intelligence agencies regularly looses encyclopedais 
worth of data to criminals and enemy hackers, so how is it you think any 
single web site has any chance against such an attack?  None of those web 
sites have anywhere near the resources the Federal Government has.  And 
that's the United States Federal Government I refer to; other Governments 
are in no better a position either. On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Yuma Decaux wrote:



Your point is valid, but if you have seen what flash can do visually, you would 
have a different opinion on the matter.

We are left out of the flash advances because it is actually completely 
visually oriented. This makes giving a more audio textual functionality to it 
less enticing for the makers, who are after all, not as capable or have the 
ressources to dedicate a full team on the subject.

As for the spam thing, i believe maccessibility is an honorable site with real 
intentions when proposing a petition for such matters as accessibility, as it's 
their spinach and butter. So no fear of being spammed, google's backing me up 
on this :)



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Re: the adobe flash accessibility petition

[Jude DaShiell]

Events are rapidly overtaking adobe and flash in terms of html 5.0. 
Very probably once that comes out adobe flash will be able to be put in 
the junk software museum and left there as a particularly bad relic for 
the future.  Another problem for web petitions is those are often used 
by spam artists to collect valid email addresses for their own uses.


On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Yuma Decaux wrote:


Hey list,

I remember about 16 months ago, i participated in a petition made by 
maccessibility in regards to making the flash player accessible.

I remember that they said it would take another 18 months to get that through. 
Well, the date is about to be reached, and with all this talk about flash 
eating up ressources, battery and being as open as a lidless jar of cookies, 
pun intended, i really don't care what they might do and at which rate, but it 
would be interesting to know if they have even gone forward on that.

Just saying this because i've been looking into the lumigo T1 andro?d phone 
holding bang and olufsen hardware within, and saught to look into some of the 
accessibility inherent to that phone. And flash is probably prominent.

Another area in which flash is rather ubiquitous are the shockwave powered 
online courses.

It's a bit of a frustration not being able to take certain courses because 
flash has pasted itself all over the net.

This just makes me reminisce when i was having loads of fun creating futuristic 
interfaces.

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Re: can I make audio cd's of iTunes purchased music

[Jude DaShiell]

Have you tried enabling album view?On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, Marlaina Lieberg 
wrote:



Hurrah I did it!  I tried Tim's steps below and they worked; I am now going to 
try Colin's steps in a previous message.

One thing though:  I see all my songs, I don't get a list of albums; so I have 
to scroll through all my songs to find the album I want to burn.  Surely that 
can't be right?

Marlaina

 my Huskies were ahead of the Koogers and now they are tied at 28!  Wonder 
if I can pay attention to learning more iTunes stuff and watching this darned 
game!  Go Huskies go!
On Dec 4, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi Marlaina,

To burn an album to CD, I would first create a playlist with the songs I wish 
on the CD:

1.  Search for the album name.
2.  Check the songs it found, if OK then go to #3.
3.  Press cmd-a for Select All.
4.  Press cmd-shift-n to Create Playlist from Selection (also under the File 
menu).
5.  Name your playlist.
6.  Go under the File menu and choose Burn Playlist to CD.

A dialog will apear where you can say whether you want it to be an audio CD, 
mp3 CD or Data CD, how much gap to have between songs and whether to use 
SoundCheck or not.  Once all those choices have been made, press the Burn 
button.  It will then ask you to insert the proper kind of CD and the process 
will begin.

If you wish your NetGear server to house your iTunes media then do the 
following:

1.  Make sure that your computer is always connected to the NetGear server.
2.  Make sure that the media is in a single folder on that server.
3.  Open iTunes.
4.  Press cmd-comma to bring up the iTunes Preferences.
5.  Select the Advanced tab in the ToolBar.
6.  Press the Change button just after the iTunes Media location.
7.  Press cmd-shift-c to bring up the list of attached devices.
8.  Select the NetGear server and expand it using VO-backslash.
9.  Locate the folder with all the music/media, select it then Stop Interacting 
with the Table.
10. Press Choose and wait for iTunes to build the Library file.

That should do it.  iTunes may re-organize the folder structure within the 
media folder in the process but that shouldn't hurt anything.  Now, as long as 
you have access to the NetGear server and as long as you are connected to it 
when you open iTunes, life should be good.  As well, you should have your Apple 
TV paired to your iTunes Library and then it can just stream all your media 
from the computer to the TV.  It will stream movies, TV shows, music and will 
even use your iPhoto pictures as the screensaver while playing music if you 
wish.  This is a really nice feature for sighted people as it does a fantastic 
job of flipping through the photos on your TV screen while listening to your 
favourite music through the stereo.

HTH.

Later...


On 2010-12-04, at 4:10 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:


Ok, how do I do it then?  Sorry, I am really really struggling with iTunes and 
we just bought the apple tv and now I can't figure out how to tell iTunes to 
use my netgear file server as the base for my library, and I can't figure out 
how to burn albums to cd.  I'm glad to know the latter can be done, but how do 
I do it?  When I'm in iTunes, I see individual song names and I see a checkbox 
next to each which is checked.  Any help with getting albums burned to CD and 
getting iTunes to know that all my music resides on an in-home external file 
server will be worth its weight in gold and a note to Santa from me on your 
behalf, :)

Marlaina
On Dec 4, 2010, at 2:59 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi Marlaina,

Your husband is incorrect.  Not that I like to contribute to the cause of 
husbands being so often incorrect, but, he is in this case.  When you burn 
purchased audio to an audio CD, it will play just fine in any home or 
automobile player.  The only restriction is if you try to burn 
purchased/protected content to an mp3 CD, that won't work.

Later...

On 2010-12-04, at 3:14 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:


Ok, that might sound like a stupid question, but as I was about to buy Susan 
Boyle's The Gift, my husband Gary warned me that he did not think I could burn 
an audio cd to play on a conventional cd player from an iTunes store music 
purchase.  He said he thinks it is protected music.  I don't want to buy it if 
I can't burn it for conventional use.

Marlaina

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Re: Another way to burn audio CDs

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ITunes is really strange.  At first I had an ITunes library.  Then a 
version upgrade of ITunes didn't like that library so made me a new one 
and called ITunes1.  After that, with each version upgrade ITunes can't 
figure out which library to use  so what I was told in the smmug meeting 
was to hit escape on that question and go on with whatever I was doing. 
The problem probably is that the old ITunes library is still taking up 
space on the hard drive and either needs to have stuff salvaged from it 
and then be disposed of or just that it needs to be deleted.  That is 
probably the long-term solution to this problem.


On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, Allison Manzino wrote:


Hi All,

Just wanted to expand on the question Marlaina asked. I think it has been 
answered but Tim and Colin's responses reminded of a little bug I noticed in 
Itunes 10. If this is not a bug, please correct me. I'm not sure. All I know is 
when I burn an audio CD, the burn to disk button does not show up as it did in 
previous versions of Itunes. I have to hit command A to select all, and then 
hit VO M and go in to the file menu. From there, I select burn to disc. Is this 
a bug or am I doing something wrong? I cannot create ringtones anymorre, Itunes 
keeps asking me to choose a library even after I have done so. But that is a 
post for another time. Thank you again and have a great day.

Musically,
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Re: apple tv and voiceover

[Jude DaShiell]

It may be a good idea for Apple to do for Apple TV what it did for the 
IPhone inside of ITunes.  If a computer detects Apple Tv and VoiceOver is 
running on the computer, then the computer automatically enables VoiceOver 
on Apple Tv for the user.On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:




Perfect!  It worked.
On Dec 3, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

On the main menu, under Settings, GEneral, there is a menu item for 
accessibility. Open that and he can turn on voice over.

Kev
On Dec 3, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:


My husband who can see the screen says there is no reference anywhere to vo.  
What should he be looking for?
On Dec 3, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

You'll have to turn it on. Maybe someone can give you instructions.

Kev
On Dec 3, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:


Our apple tv box has been updated to v4.1 but we have no voiceover.  Is this 
the correct version and how do I get vo going?

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RE: trouble creating an account in itunes

[Jude DaShiell]

My guess is you need to interact with the password field before typing 
anything into it. On Fri, 3 Dec 2010, RvR wrote:



I have the exact same problem. Wonder if there is a solution.
Regards,
Ronald

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] Namens chad baker
Verzonden: vrijdag 3 december 2010 14:08
Aan: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: trouble creating an account in itunes

Hi i'm having trouble signing up for a itunes account.
i have trouble with voice over the clicking won't stop in the password and
vo won't say anything.
any suggestions i have a card

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Re: Is there an accessible Usenet client

[Jude DaShiell]

No, rss feeds are an infant technology as compared to usenet.  On Thu, 2 
Dec 2010, Teresa Cochran wrote:



I believe Usenet has RSS feeds, which Mail handles very nicely.

Teresa
On Dec 2, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Massimo Vettoretti wrote:



Il giorno 02/dic/2010, alle ore 06.34, Jude DaShiell ha scritto:

Pine can do nntp if configured properly.  So can alpine.

Maybe I have to be more specific. What I need and I am looking for is an 
accessible Usenet client with accessible graphical user Interface. The woman I 
am helping is making her switch from Windows to MacOsX; under windows she was 
used to manage e-mails, RSS Feeds and usenet with mozilla Thunderbird. Playing 
with terminal windows may not be very advisable, right now! :-)

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Re: can't get voiceover going after an installation

[Jude DaShiell]

Might it be that it makes no difference how you insert a DVD into the mac 
mini it will try an installation with the right side up or down?  If 
that's the case, the label on the top side of the DVD could interfere with 
the reading and installation and in that way leave you with an unuseable 
computer?  This would mean that the mac mini has an incorrectly calibrated 
dvd sensitivity reader which is allowing an install attempt with the dvd 
inserted in the machine in the wrong way. On Thu, 2 Dec 2010, Marc Workman 
wrote:



Hello again,

I wasn't able to get voiceover running on my new Mac Mini, so I decided to just 
install, or perhaps reinstall, the OS.  The installation went fine, but after 
the restart, I'm still not able to get VO going using either command F5, 
control command F5, or function command F5.  I also tried pressing enter after 
a restart, since one of the archive post mentioned something about having to 
choose the setup language first, but no go.  Every keystroke seems to produce a 
bonking sound.

I've listened to a couple of podcasts of installations for both Lepard and Snow 
Lepard, and in both cases, some music started playing after the restart 
following the installation, but that didn't happen in my case.

Apologies for the nuby question, but I can't find an answer in anything I've 
read or listened to.

TIA

Marc

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Re: Is there an accessible Usenet client

[Jude DaShiell]

pine and alpine can run in graphcal mode if you use gpine or galpine to 
run them.On Thu, 2 Dec 2010, Eric Oyen wrote:




you can get these through groups.google.com

not sure about other places though.

-Eric

On Dec 2, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:


I believe Usenet has RSS feeds, which Mail handles very nicely.

Teresa
On Dec 2, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Massimo Vettoretti wrote:



Il giorno 02/dic/2010, alle ore 06.34, Jude DaShiell ha scritto:

Pine can do nntp if configured properly.  So can alpine.

Maybe I have to be more specific. What I need and I am looking for is an 
accessible Usenet client with accessible graphical user Interface. The woman I 
am helping is making her switch from Windows to MacOsX; under windows she was 
used to manage e-mails, RSS Feeds and usenet with mozilla Thunderbird. Playing 
with terminal windows may not be very advisable, right now! :-)

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Re: copying from 1 usb card to another

[Jude DaShiell]

That's how it's done, though you might want to try interacting with each 
first and then hitting command-option-m on them and make sure you've got 
the right devices.On Thu, 2 Dec 2010, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:



Ok so to edit the names, do I navigate to the name and press enter on it as I 
do a file name I wish to change?

Marlaina
On Dec 1, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

Hmmm, my suggestion would be to only attach one usb drive to the computer at 
first.  Then locate it with finder and edit its name to source.  Once done 
leave the source drive in the computer.  Next put the other usb drive into the 
computer and locate that with finder and edit the drive name to dest.  Now 
you've got your two usb cards attached and both named to something sensible and 
copying ought to be a bit easier. On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:


I will admit that I still get a little confused trying to find removable media 
onto which I copy books, but I am usually eventually successful.  However, I 
now want to copy from one usb thumb drive to another.  I seem only to see one 
and not both.  Can I do this and if so, what am I doing wrong?

Maybe somebody could demystify the whole process of copying from downloads to 
removable media.  Sometimes I have no trouble and other times, oh boy!  I keep 
running into that mobile me thing which I do not have set up and don't want to 
have set up since I sync via google.  Any help on copying card to card and 
folder to card would be greatly appreciated.

Marlaina

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Re: copying from 1 usb card to another

[Jude DaShiell]

Suggestion, buy a usb hub.  Models have as many as 8 ports available. 
Plug that into one of those two ports and if you have another $20, buy 
another hub and plug the second one into the other usb port on the 
computer.  Power those up, and now your computer has 16 usb ports. 
Staples sells these for reasonable prices.On Thu, 2 Dec 2010, Isaac Obie 
wrote:



Hey Jude,
I've only got two usb drives on my computer and I need one for the braille 
display! so that means I've only got one to work with. From what I see most 
new Macbooks have two usb drives. the Mac mini has four but one is taken up 
with the keyboard unless one gets a bluetooth one I think.

You seem to be a night owl!
Isaac
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To: 
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Subject: Re: copying from 1 usb card to another



 Hmmm, my suggestion would be to only attach one usb drive to the computer
 at first.  Then locate it with finder and edit its name to source.  Once
 done leave the source drive in the computer.  Next put the other usb drive
 into the computer and locate that with finder and edit the drive name to
 dest.  Now you've got your two usb cards attached and both named to
 something sensible and copying ought to be a bit easier. On Wed, 1 Dec
 2010, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:

>  I will admit that I still get a little confused trying to find removable 
>  media onto which I copy books, but I am usually eventually successful. 
>  However, I now want to copy from one usb thumb drive to another.  I seem 
>  only to see one and not both.  Can I do this and if so, what am I doing 
>  wrong?
> 
>  Maybe somebody could demystify the whole process of copying from 
>  downloads to removable media.  Sometimes I have no trouble and other 
>  times, oh boy!  I keep running into that mobile me thing which I do not 
>  have set up and don't want to have set up since I sync via google.  Any 
>  help on copying card to card and folder to card would be greatly 
>  appreciated.
> 
>  Marlaina
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Re: copying from 1 usb card to another

[Jude DaShiell]

Hmmm, my suggestion would be to only attach one usb drive to the computer 
at first.  Then locate it with finder and edit its name to source.  Once 
done leave the source drive in the computer.  Next put the other usb drive 
into the computer and locate that with finder and edit the drive name to 
dest.  Now you've got your two usb cards attached and both named to 
something sensible and copying ought to be a bit easier. On Wed, 1 Dec 
2010, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:



I will admit that I still get a little confused trying to find removable media 
onto which I copy books, but I am usually eventually successful.  However, I 
now want to copy from one usb thumb drive to another.  I seem only to see one 
and not both.  Can I do this and if so, what am I doing wrong?

Maybe somebody could demystify the whole process of copying from downloads to 
removable media.  Sometimes I have no trouble and other times, oh boy!  I keep 
running into that mobile me thing which I do not have set up and don't want to 
have set up since I sync via google.  Any help on copying card to card and 
folder to card would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: The Resetting of Prams

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Sometimes a little scotch tape can help.  Tape the command and option keys 
down first then it's a three finger operation.On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, Les 
Kriegler wrote:



Hi Ann,

A couple of comments/questions here.  First, this is a very difficult keystroke 
to execute.  You're talking about typing five keystrokes at once, I cannot do 
this.  I can hit Command-Option P with my right hand, hit the button to power 
on the machine with my left hand, and then while holding down the 3 keys, race 
over before hearing the music and hit the R key.  I don't hear 4 chimes, I hear 
a buzzing sound 4 times, then the normal startup sound again.  Am I executing 
the reset procedure properly?  How does one know that it actually worked?  
Thanks.

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Re: Yelp on the IPhone

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The difference is yelp puts reviews next to those restaurants and 
stores.On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, Courtney Curran wrote:



Hi,
Yelp lets you look up resturants and stores and stuff, almost like a little 
directory of sorts, as I understand it.
HTH,
Courtney
Listen to The Wonderful World of Doo-wop with me, Moopie Curran on Fridays at 
08:00 UTC on http://www.theglobalvoice.info

On Dec 1, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:


What is that app for?
On 30 Nov 2010, at 23:49, Kevin Mattingly wrote:


It looks like the folks at yelp are starting to work on the accessibility of 
their app. It is a lot like some other apps I've seen but there seems to be 
more people using it and therefore the ratings are a little more accurate.

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Re: Recording for the blind and dyslexic, reader that runs on the Mac?

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Have a look at http://www.blindbargains.com/ for some details. On Wed, 1 
Dec 2010, heather kd5cbl wrote:



Good luck! Heather
- Original Message - From: "Michael Thurman" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: Recording for the blind and dyslexic, reader that runs on the 
Mac?



now if we can get the nls to pull their heads out of their collective asses 
regarding software players!

On Nov 29, 2010, at 8:42 PM, Maurice Mines wrote:


 Hello everybody, apparently recording for the blind and dyslexic today
 announced that they have a book reader that will run on the Mac? Has
 anyone heard about this, is there any discussion about how usable it might
 be with voiceover? If this is true, this would be good. If it is aimed at
 the blindness community? So does anyone have any information on this? Hope
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Re: Is there an accessible Usenet client

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A package called gnus which runs under emacs can handle both usenet and 
email once set up correctly.  Mutt never did anything with nntp, mutt only 
does email.On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, erik burggraaf wrote:



It's really unfortunate.  Older versions of unison were amazing, but they have 
really broken it.

best,

Erik Burggraaf
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On 2010-12-01, at 1:56 PM, Massimo Vettoretti wrote:


Hi all.

I am looking for an accessible NNTP usenet client. I was trying four of them, 
but none is usable.

I tried Nemo. It seemed very very promising; the configuration wizard was fully 
accessible, but... the table containing the subscribed groups looks empty to 
Voice Over. I mean, it can see the table but all rows and columns are empty for 
VO. Of course, the control containing the message itself is a standard HTML 
content that VO can read with no  problem... :-) Menu bar cannot be accessed by 
pressing VO+m, but they respond to ctrl+f2. Voice Over will not read them. :-)

Ok, uninstalled Nemo, I instal thunderbird. Just for fun. As you already know, 
no accessibility at all there.

Thoth was m third attempt. Another disaster. I was not able to access the 
preferences dialog.

The last usenet client I tried is Unisom. Preferences are accessible and so are 
the menus and other pars of the application.   But the overall accessibility is 
less then pore. Some controls do respond to VO+space, others need the simulated 
mouse click, and some are triggered only by  a physical mouse click. The  
message list is not easy to find, and the threaded view is not a list or a 
table but some kind of text area... I am not sure... :-)

Any help?

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Re: Is there an accessible Usenet client

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Pine can do nntp if configured properly.  So can alpine.

On Wed, 1 Dec 2010, Eric Oyen wrote:


hmmm. I thought it had an nntp functionality built in somewhere. I know pine 
can do nntp, but it gets picky one some groups, especially the binaries groups.

-Eric

On Dec 1, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Jim Barbour wrote:


I use mutt for email, but I don't think it does nntp.

It is a very nice terminal based mail reader.

Jim

On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 05:28:40PM -0700, Eric Oyen wrote:

have you tried mutt? its a command line NNTP client. you might have to install 
Xcode tools and install it from the ports tree (from macports). most, if not 
all command utilities are fairly accessible with VO.

-Eric

On Dec 1, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Massimo Vettoretti wrote:


Hi all.

I am looking for an accessible NNTP usenet client. I was trying four of them, 
but none is usable.

I tried Nemo. It seemed very very promising; the configuration wizard was fully 
accessible, but... the table containing the subscribed groups looks empty to 
Voice Over. I mean, it can see the table but all rows and columns are empty for 
VO. Of course, the control containing the message itself is a standard HTML 
content that VO can read with no  problem... :-) Menu bar cannot be accessed by 
pressing VO+m, but they respond to ctrl+f2. Voice Over will not read them. :-)

Ok, uninstalled Nemo, I instal thunderbird. Just for fun. As you already know, 
no accessibility at all there.

Thoth was m third attempt. Another disaster. I was not able to access the 
preferences dialog.

The last usenet client I tried is Unisom. Preferences are accessible and so are 
the menus and other pars of the application.   But the overall accessibility is 
less then pore. Some controls do respond to VO+space, others need the simulated 
mouse click, and some are triggered only by  a physical mouse click. The  
message list is not easy to find, and the threaded view is not a list or a 
table but some kind of text area... I am not sure... :-)

Any help?

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Re: selecting to end of document

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wget is your friend.On Thu, 25 Nov 2010, Teresa Cochran wrote:


Hi Carolyn and all,

You can use the VO-return on web pages, but it doesn't work well when you have 
a lot of different elements like headings and links. You'd have to interact 
with each one and that can become tedious. I simply select all on the page with 
VO-A and then paste it in TextEdit and tweak it there.

HTH,
Teresa
On Nov 25, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:


Hi Colin:
Is there a way to copy from the web such as an aticle from a webpage?  I should 
know this, and do not.
TIA
Carolyn
On Nov 25, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Colin M wrote:


Hi John!
You can select a block of text by going to the start of the part of text you 
want , and vo+return on it then scroll down to the end of text you want to copy 
and repeat vo+return then command+c
And then do what you want with it!
hth Colin
On 25 Nov 2010, at 16:37, John D. Lipsey wrote:


Hi list:

i'm in a mode again where i'm full of questions.  I know it's possible to 
select an entire document, and it's possible to select a document line by line. 
 However, is it possible to select from a certain point of a document to the 
end without going line by line?  Or, from the same point in the document to the 
beginning?  I want to copy large blocks of text into other documents, but don't 
want to ahve to select them line by line.

TIA.

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Re: Searching in Mail?

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You have at least a few options.  The standard G.U.I. option would be 
spotlight.  A terminal alternative would be grep.  Of course you have to 
know how Apple saves its inbox in order to know what to search with grep. 
A single file is different from searching multiple files for instance. 
If multiple files are in a single folder, grep -in "search string" 
folder_name/*  should do it for you.On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, James 
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Hi guys. In Microsoft outlook you can do a search for a spesific message, even 
if you just include a few keywords of the subject. Is there a way you can do 
this in mail? I seem to find that you can only do a find for some text inside a 
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Re: alternative e mail clients

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Others do exist.  pine and mutt can both be run from the terminal.  Both 
can be downloaded from a fink repository.On Sun, 14 Nov 2010, Chantel 
Cuddemi wrote:



Chad, I am not sure if there are any other. email clients. I believe Apple mail 
is the only one. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.
On Nov 14, 2010, at 6:25 AM, chad baker wrote:


Hi has anyone tried any alternative e mail clients?
i know apple mail is the main one just wondering if there's any other 
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Re: [macvoiceover] Trying to update firm wear in a APH device, but....

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I don't know if you have a mac computer, but if you do, I suggest you do a 
which file  and see if that utility is present.  If it is, run file 
filename where filename is your mystery file and the file utility may be 
able to tell you what kind of file you have there.On Thu, 11 Nov 2010, 
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Re: Doing a put in the land of ftp

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I suggest you learn to use curl.  It can do uploads and downloads though 
from terminal mode command line or from a bash script if you know how to 
build one of those.  r A command like: curl -a url/filename should get the 
job started. On Mon, 15 Nov 2010, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:



I am trying to do this with safari.  There is no upload in any of safari menus 
that I can find.
On Nov 15, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

Wht program are you using. Navagate to the folder where you rile is then 
interact witht he list and choose upload and it should be there when the upload 
finishes.

S
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Hi folks, or should I say gurus.

I need to ftp a file to the ACB Radio incoming folder.  I can get there just 
fine, navigate to the file I want to put, but then I'm dead in the water.  I 
tried doing a copy of the file, then navigating back to the location in which I 
want to put it and pressing cmd-v to paste but all I get is a beep.  This is 
how put can be accomplished in windows; how do I do it with Mac?

Thanks again for all the help.  I'd prefer to be able to do this using only the 
browser, but if necessary will download a client.

Marlaina

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Re: Chat clients: Was Telnet

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Why not download tiny fugue for the mac?  I think it's on fink.  To start 
that you run the tf command in the terminal.  I don't know how well ichat 
works, but that's supposed to have irc capabilities.  As for telnet, it's 
poison.  Better to use stelnet. On Wed, 17 Nov 2010, Michael Thurman 
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you aren' the oly one  one major problem with the mac is it doesn't run mIRC I 
live on irc and that is one of two tasks I perfom on my old beat up slow pc 
that I'd MUCh rather do on my mac  the other being mud games. telnet for mud is 
not really acceptable because voiceover skips older text whe new text appears, 
so you can die without realising yoru hp is getting low  because you don't hear 
the reply to you rhp request for example. I never have been able to cht through 
telnet but I'm willing to try that as it is at least slower than a mud game 
most of the time, although no tby alot in some large rooms I frequent

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Hi!!
Still looking for chat client recommendations. I?ve always done this through Telnet 
so that was my initial request here. Have received one recommendation and do 
appreciate that. Also open to others. I know most people don?t do IRC these days, 
but I have occasion to do so & hoping to find a reasonable way. Any additional 
resources appreciated. Since the Mac is unix under the hood I would think there?s 
an easy way to get this done. Just not familiar.

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Re: iTunes?

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Once vlc is installed, provided you're not afraid of the terminal, it 
might be worth checking out what happens when you type cvlc followed by a 
particular site you'd like to hear.  That way there's no need messing 
around with checkboxes for some of vlc's functionality. On Tue, 9 Nov 
2010, Jason SW wrote:



Hi Chris,

Thanks a lot... I'll definitely take a look at that.

Jason.


On 11/8/2010 10:17 PM, Chris Snyder wrote:

 Hi Jason,
 I can at least give you an answer for your first question. I use VLC media
 player. It can handle winamp playlists, and it can also be set as your
 default media application. It works very well, and is quite accessible.
 There are a few check boxes that aren't labeled, but one's an EQ, one puts
 it in full screen mode in case you're watching a movie with it.
 I hope that helps.

 Friendly,
 Chris

 On Nov 8, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Jason SW wrote:

>  Hello all,
> 
>  I'm pretty new to this list, but not new to owning a Mac. I bought my 
>  iMac in May, and since then I have also bought an iPod Touch 4G. 
>  However, I haven't been able to totally switch over to Mac. One of the 
>  very few reasons I haven't been able to stop using a Windows 7 VM 
>  constantly is iTunes. Compared to Winamp, iTunes just seems horribly 
>  bloated and complicated. For example, if I want to create a temporary 
>  playlist of only a certain subset of my music, movies or TV shows, I 
>  have to create a new playlist and add all of the files I want, whereas 
>  in Winamp, all I have to do is brows to the folder I want to listen to, 
>  turn shuffle play on if I want to, and play it.
>  The other thing is terminal applications. Especially when a lot of text 
>  comes through, for example if I'm trying to use TinTin++, whenever new 
>  text comes in, if Voiceover is already speaking, the speech is 
>  interrupted and the new text is spoken.
>  I'm just trying to figure out how to make this work, so any help anyone 
>  can give me is greatly appreciated.
> 
>  Thanks,

>  Jason.
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Re: GMail filters and Apple Mail

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This is well-known technology in terms of procmail so my suggestion for 
you in terminal mode see if there's a procmailex man page, man procmailex 
and it should show you some example recipes.  Also possibly man 
procmail-lib and man procmail.  If nothing comes up on any of that, Apple 
has installed a different mail transfer agent on your system.  There's 
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write configuration files for than procmail and at least one person thinks 
is better than procmail. On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, Joshua Loya wrote:



Ok. So the label shows up in the mailboxes list. That's great. We're half way 
there. How can I organize my GMail account in box in Apple Mail, so that the 
same messages which appear in the Mac Visionaries label/mailbox do not appear 
in the GMail in box in Apple Mail?

Thanks,
Joshua
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Hi Joshua:
Your filters would have you send messages to  a label.  That label should 
automaticly show up in your Applemail as a mailbox.  However, I've never gotten 
a google filter to work properly.  I sure hope you have better luck than I have 
had.


Carolyn Haas
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Hello everyone,
I have recently set up a filter in GMail for all messages sent to 
macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. Do I need to set up a separate filter in Apple 
Mail, or is there a way to have labels displayed in the mailboxes list?
Thanks,
Joshua

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Re: Happy Halloween!!! "OT?"

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Ever hear of bobbing for apples?On Sun, 31 Oct 2010, Chuck Reichel wrote:


Hi Cara,
Am I missing something here?
What does "Halloween" have to do with using a Mac???
OT?
Talk soon

Chuck

On Oct 31, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:


Hey All;

-Just wanted to send along a quickie note to wish you a wonderfully happy / 
scary Halloween!


Thanks to all of you for making VIPhone and MacVisionaries the greatest 
informational lists for Apple products on the web! -Not only for the VI 
community but for iPHOne developers as well!


Ya'll rock and please do keep on rockin' and being as hip as you are!

Happy Halloweeen!

Screams!

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Re: Spreadsheet Problem

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Can't tell you any of that, but I may be able to help you stop the 
crashing.  Check in openoffice calc settings and see if automatic 
calculation is turned on and if so, turn it off.  Then try opening that 
spreadsheet and moving between columns.On Fri, 29 Oct 2010, David Taylor 
wrote:



Hi all,

Up till now, I've been really happy with Open Office Calc, but I've come across 
a rather large spreadsheet that I would like to be able to use, which 
completely crashes it every time I change columns! I was hoping not to have to 
splash out on iWork, so can anybody tell me if they are aware of sheets that 
Calc can't read, and if Tables would be enough, or if I really will need iWork?

Thanks
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Re: Microsoft Office 2011 period

[Jude DaShiell]

The huge problem with rehab departments is that many of them spend way 
under expected percentages on actual rehab.  Lots of management ends up 
going to Conferences in aweful places like Honolulu Hawaii.  Texas as an 
example could only provide slates styluses and braille paper for students 
since the state had not spent the rest of their budget correctly.  I can't 
remember if it was Dialog Magazine or Mathilde Ziegler magazine that had 
the report on all the garbage happening around the country but am pretty 
sure it was one of them.On Wed, 27 Oct 2010, Scott Granados wrote:



Well, with the budget cuts and the ressession are there any good well staffed 
rehab departments?  Even years ago the rehab department in CT was substandard.  
They had excelent education services for school children but once you got out 
you were in the soup pretty quickly.


On Oct 26, 2010, at 8:59 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:


Hi Scott:
Denver Co, home of the lousy broncos and the lousier rehab department.  But 
hey, we do have some good computers here, and the best ones are still the 
Macs.:)


Carolyn Haas
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On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Scott Ford wrote:


Hello,
May I as where you live?
Scott


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Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:38 PM
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Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2011 period

Heather:  I share your prospective.  I just met with a rehab counsellor who
insists that there's really no place for the Mac in the work world.  (she
also insists that since I'm doing ok with my Mac, I don't need a braille
display.  Guess that's what I get for trying topfunction and be a part of a
new solution.:)

This counsellor actually suggested I might want to move somewhere where they
have the money and clientele to afford to keep up with the new technologies.
She also basically said no one is going to pay me to do this kind of
exploration of helping discover and working toward of improvement of
alternative technologies.  So, I feel more and more like it's mac-vs-pc, and
conform to the old ways, or you're on your own.  Sorry for venting. Thanks
for reading.


Carolyn Haas
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On Oct 26, 2010, at 3:12 PM, heather kd5cbl wrote:


Bill is responsible for that robot they call narrator and he claims

windows is accessible.  While our friends at Apple, actually have a real
screenreader built in to their system.  So, Bill is not doing anyone any
favors by making us, windows users,  go out an by screenreaders worth more
than their pc computers.  I want to put a blind fold over his eyes and make
him use his own computer with just narrator, I am sure he would not get very
far!  Also, anyone who has to use word 2010 with jaws, has to by another msa
or their job has too.  And the mac users with voiceover, cant use it at all.
So he is an easy target.  Otherwise, he would have wised up a long time ago
and had his own built in speech for windows but, he just does not care.  I
am starting to use open office and pages more and the msword does not matter
that much anymore.  Heather

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Re: Microsoft Office 2011 period

[Jude DaShiell]

Am I writing to a puzzle freak?  Because if you really enjoy puzzles I'll 
make a couple suggestions which will enable you to stick a fork in that 
counsellor.  The ruby scripting language is available for the mac probably 
in the development tree.  I installed the development tree but the mac 
isn't plugged up now so will have to go check this out later.  The 
documentation in html form for ruby is at http://ruby-doc.org/ and it's a 
scripting language.  So if you can write bash scripts you can learn to 
write ruby scripts.  Additionally, 
http://www.empowermentzone.com/ruby-doc.zip has a bunch of ruby books in 
it you can read through and learn from.  ruby is in demand these days. 
Another web site http://www.rentacoder.com has people on it that offer 
programming work and bid on projects.  Many people from India on that site 
you'll be bidding against, but for a while you'll need practice after 
picking up the language so will do well to undercut your competition.  If 
you manage to get a good reputation, then work and money will find you. 
At that time, you may have enough money from doing the other work to 
enable further technology exploration. On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Carolyn Haas 
wrote:



Heather:  I share your prospective.  I just met with a rehab counsellor who 
insists that there's really no place for the Mac in the work world.  (she also 
insists that since I'm doing ok with my Mac, I don't need a braille display.  
Guess that's what I get for trying topfunction and be a part of a new 
solution.:)

This counsellor actually suggested I might want to move somewhere where they 
have the money and clientele to afford to keep up with the new technologies.
She also basically said no one is going to pay me to do this kind of 
exploration of helping discover and working toward of improvement of 
alternative technologies.  So, I feel more and more like it's mac-vs-pc, and 
conform to the old ways, or you're on your own.  Sorry for venting. Thanks for 
reading.


Carolyn Haas
chaas0...@gmail.com



On Oct 26, 2010, at 3:12 PM, heather kd5cbl wrote:


Bill is responsible for that robot they call narrator and he claims windows is 
accessible.  While our friends at Apple, actually have a real screenreader 
built in to their system.  So, Bill is not doing anyone any favors by making 
us, windows users,  go out an by screenreaders worth more than their pc 
computers.  I want to put a blind fold over his eyes and make him use his own 
computer with just narrator, I am sure he would not get very far!  Also, anyone 
who has to use word 2010 with jaws, has to by another msa or their job has too. 
 And the mac users with voiceover, cant use it at all. So he is an easy target. 
 Otherwise, he would have wised up a long time ago and had his own built in 
speech for windows but, he just does not care.  I am starting to use open 
office and pages more and the msword does not matter that much anymore.  Heather
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Re: Accessible Ulternative browzer?

[Jude DaShiell]

I believe I installed lynx using fink.
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, Mike wrote:


Hi all:

I'm wondering if there's an alternative accessible web browser?
I'm getting tired of Safari crashes and lock ups and then having to
use web kit.
If this thing is so grate, how come apple doesn't update it weekly
with the web kit engine?
Puzzled:

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RE: Screen Readers on the Mac

[Jude DaShiell]

Most of the jaws using population will never have Stevie Wunder's income 
levels either so Jaws upgrades and Window-Eyes upgrades don't always 
happen quickly or sometimes at all.  People tend to have more important 
things on which to spend money like mortgage payments or rent.  Funding 
from state or other agencies doesn't continue for life, so jaws tends to 
be only what you use on work time and use of itunes on work time can be 
frowned upon unless you're in the music business.


On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, Neil 
Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:



Paul,

I just wanted to say, as it's a popular miss conception, I've got no issues
using iTunes on a PC with JAWS. your comments, and many others were right in
the old days.

days when we needed things like  jTunes and things like that.

but using JAWS 11 and iTunes 9 or preferably 10, there's no issues at all.

having used iTunes on a Mac with Voice Over and on a PC with jaws. both
experiences were just fine, no difference whatsoever, and both sync quite
happily with either OutLook on a PC or iCal and Mail on a mac.

people make these comments without trying things on the latest
configurations, and it makes others think that what they wish to do won't
work. or that they'll have a lesser experience.

it will and does so without an issue.

I would say that there are other areas where the Mac shines through such as
stability and performance of Voice Over and the fact that Voice Over uses
very little system resources. but this old card of iTunes is brought up time
and time again, and its just plain old nonsense.


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hunt
Sent: 16 October 2010 10:39
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Subject: Screen Readers on the Mac

Hello Heather. I would encourage you to start working with vo right away.
Reading is ok but doing is great. You really don't need another screen
reader on the mac because VO is part of the OS. Any other screen reader in
Windows is a compromise at best. I'm not saying that Windows Accessibility
is bad and that the screen readers don't work well. I am saying that VO
generally works better and the overall solution is more cost effective.
Think of it this way. ITunes is available for Windows and the MAC. There is
no comkparison, ITunes works much much much better on the MAC. Synching with
the IPhone is perfect. Any contact or calendar event I add on the mac synchs
flawlessly because the whole system is designed to work together. This is
true for VO on the Mac.

I hope you have a nice day. Since we're both in Austin, maybe we can get
together and work with our macs.

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Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 6:32 PM
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Subject: Re: Apple's event next wednesday

I like vo but I was wondering if apple will allow other screenreader
programs to opperate on the mac.  I was just thinking about this because, I
have jaws and NVDA on my windows computer.  So when jaws is giving me grief,

I can switch to NVDA which usually tells me what jaws won't or when jaws is
stuck.  I like plan b if plan a does not work.  Heather

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Re: accessible games for Iphone

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Has anyone checked out the gaming center on the iPhone yet for 
voiceover friendly games and if so what did you find?

Also, do any voiceover friendly mud clients exist for the iphone yet?
On 
Thu, 14 Oct 2010, 
Donna Goodin wrote:



It's really fun!!! I hope you get to play it some time.
Donna
On Oct 14, 2010, at 10:50 AM, Ian McNamara wrote:


Lucky people i really want an iphone or ipod touch as i want to play that 
aurify i listened to bryan smarts podcast on blind cool tech and i really want 
to give it a go it sounds a really ausam game.

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Re: Is there a way to document VO crashes?

[Jude DaShiell]

You know what I think would be really neat?  If Apple was to do what 
GwMicro did with Window-Eyes; make the operating system self-healing. 
This concept for GwMicro involved collecting crash logs from people's 
machines when they rebooted; the Window-Eyes software phoned home and sent 
the crash logs.  For all I know, this may already be happening with Apple 
and if so it's just another great point to make in that apple vs. pc 
commercial.  On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Jonathan Cohn wrote:



If my memory is correct, there is a "logs" directory in your library I
believe I have seen crash information for VO among the logs there, and
the console program can read these log files.

Jn


On 14/10/2010, GEOFF WAALER  wrote:

Greetings,

I intermittently experience restarts of voiceOver.  With the exception of
doing a google search in Safari I do not have a reproducible test case that
I could present to Apple.  My question is whether there is a log written
when an app crashes?  If so is there a system setting that governs this?
Where are such logs written?

TIA for any insight.
Geoff

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Re: ways of tagging sections in a document

[Jude DaShiell]

The first thing to do is to come up with your own standard way of marking 
out section headings and stick to that.  Then since you know what your own 
standard is, you'll know how and what to search for.  I'm on the 
treasurescroll list with blindtreasures.com and just above each new 
product listing two asterisks are placed on a line by themselves.  latex 
exists and is a language very often used to mark up mathematics papers 
with section headers and the like but I suppose latex in your case might 
be the equivalent of using a deuterium bomb on a gnat.  The key here for 
finding out what others are doing though is "mark up languages".  I almost 
forgot, you might look at groff that's the latest incarnation in a long 
line that went from roff to troff and ditroff now to groff.  People were 
using those in the Apple environment back as far as the Apple II days in 
educational institutions and doing so heavily. On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, Linda 
Adams wrote:



Thanks Liam for asking this question.  I too, would be interested.  I use text 
edit and would want the tags to be permanent.  Does anything exist that would 
do this for us?

Linda

On Oct 13, 2010, at 6:17 PM, DJ Nezumi wrote:


hi
i was wondering if there is a way to tag certain sections in a
document that can be jumped to either using VO or the mac keystrokes
in general.
for example on windoes i am able to do this using the headings list in
jaws.
is there an equivalent of doing this in mac?
thanks regards
Liam

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Re: general Mac questions / Captchas

[Jude DaShiell]

http://www.solona.net supported Windows before it supported the Mac with 
no invitations necessary like webvisum.com.On Wed, 13 Oct 2010, Ray Foret 
Jr wrote:



For me, the answer is this:

www.solona.net

There's a handy tool you can install and run via termin.app which will really 
help wi the captcha issue.  There's even a process you can do so that, in order 
to solve a captcha, you just snap a shot of the screen using shift+command+3 
and then press a hot key you define to automatically send the image to Solona 
using your Solona ID and password.  Thanks to Nickoli, this process is so 
painless, it's unbelievable.  I personally guarantee it does work.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

Skype Name:
barefootedray

On Oct 13, 2010, at 4:57 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


I don't have an answer for this, but I wonder...  VO-Shift-M on a
picture will bring up a contextual menu.  Could one put a send image
to Abby Reader as an acttion in there?
That would solve this problem.
Jon



My next question is regarding using the Web. Captchas-need I say more? On
the Windows side, one would remedy this problem by downloading and using
Firefox with the Web Visum plug-in, which performed OCR on the captcha
image
and placed it on the clipboard for convenient pasting into the
appropriate
edit box. Also, if you didn't wish to use Firefox, there was usually an
audio alternative. I am trying to create an iChat account on the Mac.
Naturally, this requires the use of the AOL web site. Before I can
proceed
to create my account, the web site requires that a captcha be entered.
Although they provide an audio alternative, Safari is completely unable
to
use it and the link (upon checking) is java scripted. I know that Firefox
is
not at all accessible on the Mac side (at least from the information I
received on this list), so are there any alternatives for captchas? Also
web-related, how do I go about obtaining Webkit-as some seem to think this
a
better web browsing solution in general? Your contributions, time, and
patience are appreciated.
Thanks:)
Robert Hooper
hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu

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Re: messengers

[Jude DaShiell]

You have ichat to check out since that's a dedicated messenger program.On 
Wed, 13 Oct 2010, Damon Fibraio wrote:



OK, so I realize that I can do mail on my mac, but what can I do about
accessing aol or msn messengers on the Mac. Here's my deal.



Been using a MacBook pro for a while, mostly booting into win xp using
bootcamp. Well, kind of think I am stupid for doing this, and figured that
maybe it's time to learn mac osx leopard. So, going to remove the bootcamp
partition, at least I think I may do that, not entirely sure, and want to
make sure I can still get on msn or aol. I think there's a program called
adium, but not sure. Haven't gotten very far into this. So, any help you can
give me would be huge. Thanks.



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Re: Noise in the Apple store

[Jude DaShiell]

Well, the hearing aids will complicate things extensively and not just in 
the Apple Store either. On Mon, 11 Oct 2010, Carolyn Haas wrote:



June:
Beg to differ.  But I wear two hearing aids.  After years of data entry using 
one ear for coputer and the other for telephone, technology can ony provide so 
much in the way of correction.  Quite honestly, I think it's a lucky break for 
me that the Apple store team has been so good about working with me in spite of 
the hearing issues.

Carolyn


On Oct 11, 2010, at 8:55 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:


Not at all correct.  A proper application of technology can eliminate the 
background noise and add value to the training sessions.  The trainer will need 
a mask microphone.  The trainee will need two sets of headphones one smaller 
than the other.  One of those the trainer speaks on.  The other the mac speaks 
on.  This is dirt cheap technology and any first semester electronics student 
could set it all up in about five minutes.On Mon, 11 Oct 2010, Paul Hunt wrote:


Hello Heather. You must be from Austin. I also take training at the domain.
I use Laurice. She's an excellent trainer. We've been working on Pages. I'm
afraid the noise is just a fact of life and you'll have to live with it. If
you like coffee, there's a starbucks very close to the apple store. The
people are helpful and friendly but the store works by appointments
primarily. Good luck.



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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of heather kd5cbl
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 8:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Noise in the Apple store

The domain and there is not a table next to the store because, it is not in
a mall or rather it is in an outdoor mall.  I think my next sessions will be

quieter as the store will have just opened.  I hope!  Heather

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RE: Noise in the Apple store

[Jude DaShiell]

Not at all correct.  A proper application of technology can eliminate the 
background noise and add value to the training sessions.  The trainer will 
need a mask microphone.  The trainee will need two sets of headphones one 
smaller than the other.  One of those the trainer speaks on.  The other 
the mac speaks on.  This is dirt cheap technology and any first semester 
electronics student could set it all up in about five minutes.On Mon, 11 
Oct 2010, Paul Hunt wrote:



Hello Heather. You must be from Austin. I also take training at the domain.
I use Laurice. She's an excellent trainer. We've been working on Pages. I'm
afraid the noise is just a fact of life and you'll have to live with it. If
you like coffee, there's a starbucks very close to the apple store. The
people are helpful and friendly but the store works by appointments
primarily. Good luck.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of heather kd5cbl
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 8:52 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Noise in the Apple store

The domain and there is not a table next to the store because, it is not in
a mall or rather it is in an outdoor mall.  I think my next sessions will be

quieter as the store will have just opened.  I hope!  Heather

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Re: mud clients

[Jude DaShiell]

Have you tried tiny-fugue yet?  That works well on Linux.  You can test it 
once you get it installed with tf ancientanguish.org too.On Sun, 10 Oct 
2010, May McDonald wrote:



Hi there everyone. I'm not having much luck here and figured I'd ask here on 
the list again. Is there a client that works well on the mac with voiceover. 
For windows there's vipmud, do we have anything?

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RE: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...

[Jude DaShiell]

Universal keyboard navigation like f1 for help and all the other 
keystrokes came from I.B.M. among others, Microsoft just complied with an 
already existing and published standard.  Same deal with file formats in 
Microsoft Office, they're all in the ISO standards.On Sun, 10 Oct 2010, 
Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:




Carolyn,



thank you, not a soap box, your comments are echoed by many, and I too do
not wish to continue to pay for JAWS where not needed.



but, firstly, I am not comparing apples and oranges, the single finger
navigation of a PC is not thanks to Freedom Scientific nor JAWS etc, its
Microsoft and Windows, all there, in the box on day one.



Apple have been in this game for just as long as MS and the sighted Mac user
can use their Mac in this way.



All I want is that level playing field.



Many are suggesting Quick Nav, sure this helps, but it is still beyond what
the sighted Mac keyboard user needs to do.



Again, please let's not turn this into a cost argument, you cannot say that
Voice Over is better or fine or acceptable just because it costs nothing,
sure there's an argument to be had there, but it's not this one, this
conversation I would ask to have nothing to do with cost.



its so very easy to turn this into a well Freedom Scientific and other
accessibility companies charge so very much, and they do, rightly or
wrongly, and therefore Apple is better. this is a conversation about one
persons needs on a purely which solution works better, and can I get the
Apple approach to work for me, with the benefit and wizdom of the folk on
this list.



I have already learned something new about Quick Nav, and that is that you
can using down and left / right respecively initiate interact mode on / off.
this helps a lot.



Twitter @neilbarnfather



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: 10 October 2010 19:30
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...



Hi Neil and others:

I have an interesting prospective, having worked with a Mac for almost a
year, and only made the switch semi-successfully.  Further, I'm not a
genius, a tech expert, or even a wizzard.  I'm just a computer user who is
fascinated by what I can achieve with the technology and like to use it for
my daily functioning.

Having said these things, I've never been one to accomplish tasks with JAWS
using one finger.  That to me is a big stretch.  Unless, of course you are a
wizzard:).

Secondly, you are comparing Apples with Oranges here.  Two totally different
operating systems, two totally different ways of doing things.  Microsoft
has been doing their thing including JAWS since the 80's or at least the
early 90's  If you're bent on being a finger wizzard, ok, great for you.   I
also find myself frustrated by some of the fingering requirements of the OS
with Voiceover.  It's far from perfect.  But, toexpect the same level of
comfort from a system that is a standard, out-of-the-box system is putting
the bar too high for a company that is finally trying to level the
playingfield for us.

Perhaps I'm on the defensive because I've made a big investment in time and
energy to get as far as I have on the MAC.  But, I did so knowing this field
hasn't been thoroughly plowed.  I wanted to have an option other than paying
Freedom Scientific another 900 to get JAWS up-to-date.  Which meant no new
computer for at least a couple more years.  So, I requested a Mac as a
Christmas present, and I'm doing my best to make this an option for me and
others who, like me, don't think we should have to pay more to get less.

Now, if I had the PC down to one-finger use, as you say you have, perhaps
I'd be telling a different story.  For now, I'm pretty happy to learn and
grow into a system as it grows and developes, rather than forking out
another thousand to line the pockets of specialty providers.

End of soapbox.  Thanks for reading.



Carolyn





- Original Message -

From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:02 AM

Subject: Can keyboard only navigation ever be...



Dear All,

Many of you will have seen me around before on the various lists so no need
for introductions, I've been a PC user now for in excess of 20 years, and
have attempted to make the switch to Mac now 3 times without success.

The first point I want to make is that this is not for lack of desire upon
my behalf, rather it is my hope that I am simply missing an essential piece
of the puzzle. this missing part though appears, to me at least, to be the
key, the magic link between making a successful jump or not.

I've heard all the usual shpeal about, it's n

Re: Hebrew Braille user needed (fwd)

[Jude DaShiell]

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 15:08:39
From: Arlene Carol 
To: Jude DaShiell 
Subject: Re: Hebrew Braille user needed (fwd)

someone should contact the Library for the Blind in Israel. I believe it's
in Netanya. in 1995-96 i knew the head of the library. a real hero of the 6
day war. and an amazingly good looking man!! Uri Kohen..
i have no idea if he's still involved though.

good luck.
a.

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:






-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 14:35:03
From: Anne Robertson 
Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Hebrew Braille user needed

Hello everyone,

Is there anyone here who uses Hebrew Braille? My husband would like a
tester for his Hebrew Braille for the Mac, both input and output.

If anyone can help, please contact us on:
cons...@anarchie.org.uk

Cheers,

Anne

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Re: I think I may have made a $99 mistake...

[Jude DaShiell]

If I remember correctly, it's possible to use an Apple computer with 
VoiceOver turned on to control an Apple TV box.  You might send email to 
accessibil...@apple.com and ask if this is the case or if an iPhone can be 
used to do that just in case you haven't got an Apple computer.  I'm 
pretty sure they will answer a question like that.  Sometimes in order to 
solve a problem none of the doors can be used and it's a matter of finding 
that secret panel and the passageway.On Sat, 9 Oct 2010, Ben Mustill-Rose 
wrote:




I've included the message below. I'm hoping that the jailbreak
community will inadvertantly make things better for us at some point.
 Larry Wanger   30 September 2010 23:00
I sent the following note to Apple Accessibility. No Voice Over on the
ATV and the remote app is rendered on the iPhone and iPad such that it
can not really be used either. Things will improve somewhat with
Airplay once implemented but not entirely. I hope others will consider
writing as well.



Hi,



I want to share my displeasure with Apple as I?ve just learned that
the new Apple TV product does not currently offer any kind of access
to blind and low vision television viewers through implementation of
Voice Over. I learned of this by calling and speaking with a sales
representative at Apple who checked with one of your engineers to find
out if accessibility features were built in to the product. Whether
Apple recognizes it or not, blind and low vision people enjoy watching
television and movies as well and Apple has unfortunately missed out
on an opportunity to continue to be a leader in this important area of
technology.



While I was somewhat surprised to learn the actual Apple TV box did
not offer Voice Over, I was even more surprised to learn that the
newly updated remote app fails to provide a meaningful solution. Had
Apple implemented the remote app for the ATV in the same way that it
has allowed end users to use Airtunes I suspect things would have been
different. Recall that the remote app essentially rendered the user?s
iTunes library, showing music, podcasts and other media content. The
user could scroll through content and choose what to play. Best of
all, Voice Over worked well with this app. A similar implementation
would have offered an accessible solution. Beyond this, my
understanding of the technical specifications of the ATV would
indicate that the box itself should have enough horse power to handle
the same implementation of Voice Over that we currently enjoy on other
Apple products.



I also would be remiss if I did not mention the recent passage and
pending presidential signing of the 21st Century Communications and
Video Accessibility Act. One of the provisions of this legislation is
the requirement for industry to develop set-top boxes that offer
accessibility features for blind and low vision users. While this has
happened after Apple developed this product, I mention it in hopes
that Apple will consider being a leader in this area by making its new
ATV accessible in the near future.



Please know that like so many others, I am very appreciative of
Apple?s efforts and leadership by including Voice Over on the iPhone,
iPad and other products. However, it seems that Voice Over could have
been implemented on this device as well. I look forward to being able
to purchase and use the new Apple TV in the future.


















On 09/10/2010, Goldfinga Productions  wrote:

oh my... well thanks for the heads up.

GF


On Oct 9, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:


I think someone posted a response that they got from accessibliity a
couple of weeks ago where they were informed that the remote app
wouldn't work. I can't find the exact message right now, but it was in
the big thread that there was about apple tv in late september early
october.

On 09/10/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

OH yeah I didn't think about that. You might be able to use the remote
app.

S
On Oct 9, 2010, at 10:20 AM, Goldfinga Productions wrote:


Has anyone tried to control the apple tv with the iPhone or iPod touch?
I know it may take some sighted help to set it up, but I wonder if that
would work at all. I should go get one and try it out.

GF


On Oct 9, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:


It has been my experience that even if accessibility did know about an
upcoming feature, (Which they probably won't), they will be unable to
tell you about it; it's just the way that Apple works.

I'm sorry to hear about your loss of sight; but in this situation, I
think it would be best if you were to return the unit and get a
refund.

On 09/10/2010, Carolyn Haas  wrote:

Hi:
I can't say for sure whether they are bringing voiceover to apple tv.
But I
would bet my next paycheck that if you contact accessibility, they
would
know, and/or Apple would grant you a refund.
Sorry for your recent loss of vision.  I can relate all too well as my
hearing fluctuates.
Take care

Carolyn
On Oct 8, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Samuel wrote:


I p

Re: voice over guide

[Jude DaShiell]

Here's the way things work with bookshare.org and I know since I've used 
their service already.  If a book has daisy format and brf format 
available, it's still under copyright and you have to have a current 
password to open it and read it whether you download daisy or brf formats. 
If the book has a txt format it's public domain and is also in the public 
domain section of bookshare.org's web site.On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Claus 
Th?gersen wrote:



Hi,

I tried to view it  on my Pac Mate but no luck, only strange characters in 
the file. I am however not sure if the file is to blame or if it has been 
destroyed by Activ sync.


Claus

- Original Message - From: "heather kd5cbl" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:11 PM
Subject: voice over guide



 Hay, does anyone have this problem with the voice over guide.  I
 downloaded in the BRF format to read in  kurzweil1000 but it won't open it
 and kicks me out of the program!  I wanted to read it on my windows
 desktop with k12 and practice with my mac laptop that is on the desk.  I
 just received yesterday and I have been using the keyboard help but I
 wanted access to the guide as well.  Thanks Heather
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Re: Recommendations for FTP blient for the mac?

[Jude DaShiell]

The mac already comes with sftp which is part of openssh package and if 
you're at all concerned about on line security, you'll do well to get 
acquainted.On Sat, 2 Oct 2010, Jenny Wood wrote:


Greetings again!  So basically, I am wondering what recommendations, if any, 
might be out there for FTP clients for the mac, and accessible with voiceover 
of course.

Thank you!
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Re: XCode compile.

[Jude DaShiell]

Once you install the xcode and the appbuilder packages from your snow 
leopard disk, start looking inside the /developer/ tree.On Fri, 1 Oct 
2010, GEOFF WAALER wrote:



Greetings,

I wanted to compile a "helloWorld" program in either objective C or C++ and 
apparently am not looking in the right place for for instructions on getting started.

The developer site indicates that XCode is included with Snow Leopard, however 
I don't see it recursing into the application or library folders.  I did see 
folders for sample scripts and a few programming languages in the library 
folder, but am giving up and thought I'd ask here for help getting going with 
XCode.

TIA for any pointers.
Geoff

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Re: Not able to sign into itunes

[Jude DaShiell]

Don't hit enter, hit tab onto okay field then hit space and see if that 
works.  Why itunes should be going into busy mode like that even under 
these circumstances though for me is a puzzle.  If you can get to a local 
mac users group meeting you may get lots more support there.  Have you got 
a working mouse and monitor hooked up to the computer too?  Could be a 
missing mouse may freak itunes out.On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Antonio M 
Guimaraes Jr. wrote:



I am trying t upgrade my iphone for the fist time, and it requires itunes. I am 
using itunes on a new Mac mini, but I need to perform several operations before 
I can upgrade the iPhone.

These include signing into itunes, aothorizing my computer, and playing a song 
or video I purchased from itunes

The issue is signing in. itunes keeps going into busy mode after I enter the 
password, and press enter. This keeps happening until I am forced to shut the 
program down.

Is there a known issue with itunes, and a solution, or do I need to do 
something different for thingsg to work?

Sincerely,

Antonio Guimaraes

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Re: Washington Post articles?

[Jude DaShiell]

The link I put in here is broken.  To fix it remember the last word in the 
link is distribution and you'll get there okay.On Mon, 4 Oct 2010, Colin M 
wrote:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/rss/index.html?hpid=distrib
  ution


Hi Jonathan!
Here I am in little UK!
I opened the Washington post link from your part of this message!
Then clicked metro, Vinginer polictics and got to the page ok!
But when I clicked the link that starts voices of... it took me to the 
Washington post site and said something about that page was no longer there or 
has change it's name!
When I was on the Virginer politics page I opened the web router on links typed 
v and no links started with voices!
hth Colin
On 4 Oct 2010, at 00:33, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:


I am currently having problems in both webkit and Safari with the Washington 
Post web site.

from http://washingtonpost.com
I click on "Metro" and then "Virginia POlitics"

The site which I believe is
voices.washingtonpost.com/VirginiaPolitics never fully load.  Before reporting 
this to Apple and/or Washington Post, could somebody else see if this site 
works for them?

I had no issues earlier this week, but I have changed a couple of settings 
within my Post login.  So I am curious if it is the site in general or my 
changes.

Best regards,

Jon

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Re: Useful hint for terminal users "open -f"

[Jude DaShiell]

Okay, interact with the text window then hit enter once, and then try 
hitting up arrow once and listen to what happens.On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, 
Sarah Alawami wrote:



I did. nothing. I heard the sound meaning there's nothing there, the hollow pop 
sound as I call it. lol!
On Sep 27, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:


Interact with the text window then try reading, that sometimes works in cases 
like these.On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, Sarah Alawami wrote:


Yeah I tried that and it opeend a blank document with a n odd title in text 
edit. lol!
On Sep 27, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


Sarah,

Did you get it to work?  Note there are two special characters in the
command, these are important to get right...

1. There is a "pipe" or "OR bar" as some might call it, (In US
keyboards it is a shifted back slash). This was between say and open.
This command is used in terminal to say send all the output from the
left side into the right side. (I hope that simplification makes
sense.

2. A minus sign in front of the f.  the minus sign makes the f an
option instead of a file name argument.

HTH
Best wishes,

Jon


On 24/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

I think I got it but not sure. it opened something but my text edit window
was blank. I'll look again when I get home.

S
On Sep 24, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


It is more likely that I didn't write the command correcI will test my
command with a cut and paste from home to ensure Iformatted it
correctly.  It should'nt take more then 3 seconds.

Jon
instantaenious.

On 23/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

Hmm how long does this process of manual creation last?  I waited about 1
to
2 minutes and text edit did not open with the manual for the say command.

Take care. Maybe I'm not patient enough.

S
On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:


I was playing around with making fun of "droid" adds. So I created a
sound
file...

say -o droiddead.aiff -v cello  "droid. is. dead. Long live I Phone"

I thought hmm,  I should be able to open this from the termial  and not
have to switch to the finder.

In the process, I discoverd that there is a -f option to open that we
will
find useful.

An example but not too usefull.

man say | open -f

This command will create a manual for the "say" command and then open
that
manual in textedit (or perhaps your preferred text editor ).

Have fun with this,

Jon

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Re: Useful hint for terminal users "open -f"

[Jude DaShiell]

Interact with the text window then try reading, that sometimes works in 
cases like these.On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, Sarah Alawami wrote:



Yeah I tried that and it opeend a blank document with a n odd title in text 
edit. lol!
On Sep 27, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


Sarah,

Did you get it to work?  Note there are two special characters in the
command, these are important to get right...

1. There is a "pipe" or "OR bar" as some might call it, (In US
keyboards it is a shifted back slash). This was between say and open.
This command is used in terminal to say send all the output from the
left side into the right side. (I hope that simplification makes
sense.

2. A minus sign in front of the f.  the minus sign makes the f an
option instead of a file name argument.

HTH
Best wishes,

Jon


On 24/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

I think I got it but not sure. it opened something but my text edit window
was blank. I'll look again when I get home.

S
On Sep 24, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


It is more likely that I didn't write the command correcI will test my
command with a cut and paste from home to ensure Iformatted it
correctly.  It should'nt take more then 3 seconds.

Jon
instantaenious.

On 23/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

Hmm how long does this process of manual creation last?  I waited about 1
to
2 minutes and text edit did not open with the manual for the say command.

Take care. Maybe I'm not patient enough.

S
On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:


I was playing around with making fun of "droid" adds. So I created a
sound
file...

say -o droiddead.aiff -v cello  "droid. is. dead. Long live I Phone"

I thought hmm,  I should be able to open this from the termial  and not
have to switch to the finder.

In the process, I discoverd that there is a -f option to open that we
will
find useful.

An example but not too usefull.

man say | open -f

This command will create a manual for the "say" command and then open
that
manual in textedit (or perhaps your preferred text editor ).

Have fun with this,

Jon

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Re: Getting applications out of the command-tab order?

[Jude DaShiell]

Has anyone tried enclosing a search string in quotes either single or 
double to see if a search with spaces in it can be done that way yet?On 
Sat, 25 Sep 2010, Anne Robertson wrote:



Hello Justin,

The feature you are looking for would be available if Spaces worked with 
VoiceOver.

Other people have requested this facility, so why not write to Accessibility to 
ask for this?

Cheers,

Anne


On 25 Sep 2010, at 01:49, Justin Ekis wrote:


Hi all,

I have done very well in adjusting to the Mac by remembering the advice that I 
was reading everywhere before I made the switch. Don't assume that anything 
will work like it does on windows. Now, nearly two months into this, there is 
only one windows behavior that I really miss.

There are some applications that I would like to have running in the 
background, but don't necessarily want their windows open unless I need them. 
Let's take adium and skype as one type of example. I want to be available, but 
unless I have an incoming call or instant message, I want them to stay out of 
my way. If I am using a few applications, I don't want to have to command+tab 
past things that are currently irrelevant. I've finally stopped adium and skype 
from loading on login because they have become a nuisance.

I was hoping that you could send applications to the doc, similar to the system 
tray in windows. I see a hide option in the menu of most applications, but this 
seems to be more similar to minimizing an application in windows since 
command-tab brings it right back up again. Am I correct that there is no way to 
do something like this, or am I just missing it?

Thanks,

Justin

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Re: Unintentional Aliases and getting rid of them

[Jude DaShiell]

Well from a security perspective, one person's unintentional alias might 
become a hacker's intentional alias in the unfortunate event of 
unauthorized computer access.  For that reason it might prove helpful if 
Apple in one of its future releases would arrange for an alias cleaning 
tool which would not touch any operating system aliases nor touch any 
deliberately defined aliases by a user or root on the computer. 
Deliberate definition would include taking actions through authentication 
that would store the alias in a database either a user's own database or 
root's database. On Sat, 11 Sep 2010, Sarah Alawami wrote:



Yeah you should just be able to hit cmd del and put them int he trash. I still 
accidently creat those blasted shortcuts and don't realise it. lol! oops.
On Sep 11, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Colin M wrote:


Hi Michael!
The command to make aliases is [ command+l ] I do not know why you would be 
using that command unless you think it does something else!
Or you are hitting it by mistake!
Why you can not delete them I do not know, I thought you just sat on it and 
pressed delete!
hth Colin
Skype focus_66
On 11 Sep 2010, at 18:07, Michael Busboom wrote:


Hi.

Sometimes, apparently only when I am in Finder, I'm accidentally entering a 
keyboard combination that is generating Aliases to other things in my Finder 
Window.

So here are my questions:

1.  What keyboard combination creates Aliases and does this keyboard 
combination create them, even if one isn't in Finder?

2.  Why can't I seem to delete them?

I may be creating Aliases from outside Finder; I just don't really know for 
sure.

Thanks for the enlightenment!

Mike

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Re: Apps going inaccessible with Retina 4 updates? -- Speedtest for network connections

[Jude DaShiell]

Around here, I use http://speedtest.net and as soon as you connect to the 
page you read down and search for MB and that'll be the first line of your 
report.On Thu, 16 Sep 2010, Chris Blouch wrote:



 I used this one:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/speedtest/id286356274?mt=8

which seems fairly accessible. I'm guessing it's not as nice as the one you 
were using but it did give me stats on my wifi or 3g connection. Had the 
usual thing where row 1 was average and max and then row two under neath was 
the values.


CB

On 9/16/10 3:52 PM, Esther wrote:

 Hi,

 I was about to post about an accessible app for testing your network
 connection upload and download speeds, but noticed that a new version was
 just released and, guess what, the app is suddenly inaccessible.  This is
 a free app called Speedtest.net Mobile by Ookla.

 The way the app used to work (and still does on my iPod Touch and iPad,
 which run the older version) is that you open the app and hear VoiceOver
 say, "Speedtest, start test, button", with focus on a button near the top
 center of the screen.  Flicking right would take you to 4 buttons at the
 bottom of the page: (1) "selected, Speedtest" (the main screen,
 automatically selected when you enter the app) at the bottom left, (2)
 "settings", which allows you to manually change your nearest server,
 choose the units of upload and download speed, specify whether your
 history should be sorted most recent date first or oldest first, and
 reports the internal and external network IP address of your device, (3)
 "results", which lets you review your history of network speed test
 performance results for download and upload speed, both in summary list
 format and in detailed record, and (4) "about" in the bottom right corner,
 which was the only inaccessible item, and apparently had a graphics logo
 about the company.

 The way the old version works, is that after double tapping the
 "Speedtest, start test, button", there would be a short pause as the app
 performs a trial download and upload. If you flick right while this is
 going on, you get a status message "download test in progress" or "upload
 test in progress" just above the row of buttons at the bottom of the
 screen.  As each test is finished, you can read off the speed results at
 the top of the screen.  So assuming that I wait the 4 or 5 seconds for
 each test to run, and then flick right from the top of my screen, I'll
 hear the server location (top right, below battery status), then the
 download speed (e.g., 9.78 Mbps ) at the top left, followed by the upload
 speed (e.g. 1.05 Mbps) at the top right, followed by the ping time
 (inverted with units of "ms" announced first, then the number) at the
 center of the screen,  followed by a "restart button" at the bottom, just
 above the 4 option buttons (where the "download test in progress" message
 shows up).  I do typically need to touch the top of the screen to get the
 download and upload speed stats to start reading while the test is going
 on (typically I just move my finger horizontally across the region of the
 screen below the server while I'm waiting for the download and upload
 tests to complete).  After the tests complete I can just flick  through or
 do a two-finger flick up or down "read all" to get the summary.  The
 "restart" button lets you rerun your tests.

 The most complete information is in the "results" (third buttom from left
 on bottom of main screen), which gives the history of your results in list
 format with date/time stamp.  Double tapping any of the entries gives a
 "Details" screen which reads off full details.  Entries have date and
 time, results fully identified with labels of download, upload and ping,
 information about your network and location -- whether you were using
 WiFi or 3G, which server you were using identified by geographical
 location, your external and internal IP address, and even the latitude and
 longitude.  If there are network performance issues that depend on using
 particular sites or servers, or unusually poor performance at certain
 times of the day, you can track these down in the historical records, and
 send them to your IP provider to help troubleshoot.

 Anyway, this is the way that the Speedtest.net Mobile app worked with
 VoiceOver up to the version 2 release that just came out, and this post
 was originally drafted as an info post for the app.  Since the revision
 for upgrading the app for the iPhone Retina 4 display, everything just
 "boinks".  The screen comes up with a "Begin test" button, but nothing
 else gets announced. I can't be sure whether it's running any tests or not
 when I double tap. If I manage to find another active button like
 "results" and double tap, I can't read anything on these screens with
 VoiceOver.  It mostly behaves as though VoiceOver can't contact most of
 the information, regardless of where I touch or how I navigate.
 Occasionally a piece of something may get announced almost at ra

Re: tracpad question

[Jude DaShiell]

I did a search in the app store and while a track pal app is available for 
download, there is no track pad app available for download.On Sat, 11 Sep 
2010, Carolyn wrote:



Ah, Ricardo:
Thanks for getting back to me.  I found out it's double-tap on the left side of 
the screen in the middle.  This is getting to be a very cool device.  But, 
Safari was behaving incredibly badly during my training session.  It set a good 
example for the team of some of the cr*p we have to go through at times.:)
Take care and thanks
Carolyn
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 Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 9:14 PM
 Subject: Re: tracpad question


 Hi,

 I generally use the track pad commander for surfing the web.  I don't use it 
very much in apps like Mail and iTunes because it forces me to interact with 
tables and such more than I find necessary.  I'm not sure why double tapping on 
the Mail app isn't opening it up for you though.  The commander sure does cut 
down on some of those 4 and 5 key combos.  lol.  This is where making your own 
assignable gestures comes into play.
 On Sep 11, 2010, at 11:08 PM, Carolyn wrote:

 > Hi guys:
 > It suddenly strikes me that I often find myself exploring the mbp on 
kSaturday nights, coming up with questions.  So, true to form, here we go:
 > I've worked for about a year with the iPhone, and understand how to make 
gestures.  I'm finally starting to try to move this knowledge to the multitouch 
trackpad.  Something that isn't clear to me is how to employ the trackpad and when 
to opt for it rather than keyboard.  Here then is my question:
 > I have managed to select the Mail app on the trackpad.  Is there a way to 
open it from there?  Because when I attempt the double tap, that does nothing.
 > I feel like I'm closer to linking the devices together in my understanding, 
but missing something.
 > Any input welcome. and tia
 >
 > Carolyn
 > (apple obsessed)
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Re: Help forcing Mac to recognize a USB device

[Jude DaShiell]

On some systems, a command called update-usb-ids exists and has to be run 
by root in terminal mode.  That command when run goes out to a web site 
and gets a current copy of a file that has all industry-standard usb ids 
information in it.  If the manufacturer of the device hasn't got their 
information into that file, then they're beyond industry standards and 
maybe best not recognized.  Once that file gets updated on systems usually 
more usb devices end up working suddenly.On Fri, 10 Sep 2010, Carolyn 
wrote:



Hi Eric:
Probably that power issue someone else mentioned.  Not sure how else to help.  
But you might even try taking it to the apple store.  Get a genius appointment, 
and see if they can help you get it to link.
Good luck.

Carolyn
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 Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 6:14 PM
 Subject: Re: Help forcing Mac to recognize a USB device


 Carolyn and others,

 I'm still looking for ideas.  I have the unit attached directly to the 
computer USB port not a hub.  I went to disk utilities and was pleased to see 
both the internal memory and SD card were in the table.  I selected one of 
these and tried to select Mount, but Mount was dimmed.  Next thing I knew the 
computer told me the Drive was ejected incorrectly and they disappeared from 
the table.

 I tried reconnecting the unit but now it is not recognized in the table.  So 
now what?

 When I first hooked up the unit about four days ago it was not reliable but 
would stay connected for 10 or 15 minutes.  Now, almost nothing.

 Thanks again for the disk utility tip and if anyone else has ideas I'd be 
grateful.
 By the way, I did ask the dealer, Independent Living Aids for help, but 
nothing yet.  Maybe they will still come through.

 eric Caron


 LLOn Sep 10, 2010, at 12:06 AM, Carolyn wrote:

 > Hi eric:
 > You can indeed probably do this.  It can be done by going into disk utility.  You'll 
want to find that and look for the option to "mount."  (strange name for an 
interface) but basically it allows you to connect devices that are going unrecognized.  I 
fixed my victor stream quite accidentally with about as much of a clue as that.  Good luck.
 >
 > Carolyn
 >
 > On Sep 9, 2010, at 8:52 PM, Eric Caron wrote:
 >
 >> Dear list,
 >>
 >> I recently purchased a Milestone 312, developed by  BONES INC.  I have a 
love hate relationship with this device.  It is a USB device that preforms many 
functions including voice recording, general recording, Daisy book reading, clock, FM 
radio, agenda, and labeling.  It uses a SD card and internal memory.  My current 
problem is that when I plug the USB cable into the Mac it usually does nothing at 
all.  A few times when I first attached it it did recognize the SD Card and the 
internal memory as two separate volumes.  When recognized I  navigate them in the 
finder.  But most of the time either the usb connection is ignored or it is 
recognized and then almost immediately I get the message that the device was ejected 
incorrectly.
 >>
 >>
 >> Can anyone help me have the Mac recognize the USB device and not eject it 
automatically?  I think the device is treated like a card reader and possibly others 
have found ways to force these devices to be recognized when they don't initially 
show up.
 >> Help and advice wanted.
 >>
 >> Eric Caron
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Re: What is RSS and Usenet

[Jude DaShiell]

The rss information was a little incomplete because rss can also contain 
enclosures to podcasts as well as articles.  Podcasts people subscribe to 
with rss as part of their url are actually carried by the rss protocol 
through enclosures.On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, Chris Blouch wrote: The site 
panix.com isn't charging extra for usenet access and has a pretty good 
selection of feeds too.
USENET News is a very old service where folks can read and reply to messages 
in a thread using NNTP (Network News Transfer Protocol). The discussions are 
broken down into topic and sub topics with dots inbetween such as 
comp.sys.mac.games or the like. Adding or removing topics is done through a 
moderation process and every post to a newsgroup server in one location is 
replicated to all the other ones. The content is generally not moderated so 
in recent years the topic areas have become rife with porn, spam and pirated 
software. Because of this, and the large volume of data on the comp.binaries 
branch, some service providers have decided to discontinue their usenet news 
servers or charge an additional fee for access. A newsgroup reader 
application allows your mac to 'subscribe' to one or more discussion branches 
so you can post or reply to messages, if you have access to a  newsfeed 
server.


An RSS feed reader is something else. A site can choose to publish a summary 
of changed articles in a specialized XML format, usually RSS or Atom. This 
file usually contains a time-ordered list of article titles and summaries to 
which you can subscribe. Any time the site adds a new article, a new entry is 
made in the 'feed' and your feed reader polls the site to let you know when 
there are updates. In theory the site could put the entire content of the 
article in the feed but usually the intent is to snack and click through to 
anything interesting. The feeds can also do pruning such as keeping only the 
latest 30 items in the feed or offering multiple feeds covering different 
areas on their site.


Hope this helps.

CB

marie Howarth wrote:

 I have no idea what the difference is.

 On 23 Apr 2010, at 16:56, william lomas wrote:


>  that is not a newsgorup reader though?
> 
>  On 23 Apr 2010, at 16:43, marie Howarth wrote:
> 
> 
> >  Hi,
> > 
> >  Some people have been asking for an accessible RSS reader on the mac. 
> >  The mail app obviously gives some functionality with rSS but the app I 
> >  just found is pretty much amazing. You can share links with your 
> >  social networks, read the articles where you like, and overall is 
> >  pretty awesome. Very responsive with VO.
> > 
> >  It is in beta but I have just emailed the creators and congratulated 
> >  them on the level of accessibility.
> > 
> >  What you need
> > 
> >  Your mac

> >  Your safari
> >  Your internet
> >  and a google account.
> > 
> >  OK, before anyone starts jumping down my throat. You only need to sign 
> >  in with a google account. You do not need to go to the web to 
> >  subscribe or whatever. You can but subscriptions or cancelling can all 
> >  be done within the app.
> > 
> >  Download the app from the website and once you've ran the dMG file, 
> >  enter your google account and off you go.
> > 
> >  It's called Gruml and I like it a lot. Here's the link. Any questions 
> >  feel free to email me.
> > 
> >  http://www.grumlapp.com/
> > 
> > 
> >  twitter: http://twitter.com/cali_chica
> >  AIM: phoenixfire1807 live journal site: 
> >  http://miss-la-angel.livejournal.com my website: 
> >  http://phoenixquils.com
> >  facebook: http://facebook.com/marie.howarth writer's twitter: 
> >  http://twitter.com/MJ_Phoenix 
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Re: the unix shell and mac terminal

[Jude DaShiell]

Even easier, use script.  First run script typescript.tmp .  Next 
run your job.  Next type exit .  Next type col -bx < typescript.tmp 
typescript  next type rm typescript.tmp  finally type less 
typescript  and find out what happened in your job.  I usually just 
interact with the scroll area in terminal and get better access than was 
available in Leopard and Tiger.On Sat, 28 Aug 2010, Scott Granados wrote:



Do you have a pointer to a good image?

On Aug 28, 2010, at 6:29 PM, Keith Watson wrote:


All well and good to have these tools available on the MAC. The only problem is 
that VO access to the terminal is cumbersome at best. My solution to this is to 
run a Debian VM and use speakup. Much better access to it's term there, and if 
I need to do anything on my MAC i just ssh over and take care of it that way.

Just my 2 cents.

Keith


On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:15 PM, Scott Granados wrote:


Yes, you have telnet, ssh, ftp and all the standard clients you'd expect.  I'm 
sure you could enable daemons to accept connections as well although consider 
the security implications of doing that please.:)


On Aug 28, 2010, at 5:58 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:


excuse my nose here, but in theory would that let you say tellnet to a site or 
service that itself is shell associated?
sorry if I am over guessing what one might do with that sort of bash. still I 
would think you could run programs that way?
Karen

On Sat, 28 Aug 2010, Dave Taylor wrote:


I don't know anything about this side of using a Mac at all. Is there a good
place to learn about it, right from scratch? I'll probably hardly need it,
but would certainly like to know just in case.

Cheers
Dave


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: the unix shell and mac terminal

Hi
Over the past few weeks I have been running vinux 3.0 lucid in a virtual
machine and have been playing with it. And then recently I went into the
terminal on my mac in snow leopard and typed some commands and surprisingly
I find that most of the commands I can perform in vinux I can also do with
the terminal or the mac's unix shell. It's really cool. The only difference
I can see in the mac is that it uses the darwin kernel while vinux uses the
linux kernel. Oh and guys if you go into a terminal in your mac and type:
man ls
you can even read the unix man pages there. The only thing that doesn't work
is apt-get command. I'm not sure if dpkg works or not, I haven't tried it.
I'll try right now. Well guys dpkg also does not work. The mac's shell
reminds me very much of vinux 3.0 lucid though.
If you type
uname -a
it will tell you the kernel version among other things.
If you type:
man ls
it will bring up the man page for the ls list directory command. to quit the
man pages just press the letter q,. To close terminal hit command q. You can
even hit tab and it will autocomplete commands for you. I imagine the unix
shell is very powerful, even on the mac. And I'm glad mac uses the bash
shell. Vinux uses it too. I doubt voxin would work on the mac since voxin I
think is compiled for the linux kernel and not the darwin version10 kernel.

Josh Kennedy
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