Re: Running a Mac with Windows on
Thanks a million for this Kawal. Emrah On Mar 12, 2012, at 5:06 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > , hope those of you find this helpful and apologies to those who may have > seen this before! > > Kawal. > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Paul Erkens >> Date: 17 September 2011 03:18:08 PM GMT+01:00 >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Running a Mac with Windows on >> Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> >> Hi Jeff, >> >> Here is the text you requested. >> --- >> Your first question, what to do about a non-existent insert key inside a >> virtual machine, is quite a story if you want to know the ins and outs. >> Along the way, we will get there. Here you go. >> >> First off, it is true that you have no insert key on the mac, while you >> often do need one in windows. You can create a key mapping for yourself in 1 >> of 2 ways. Either using fusion itself, and there is no real down side as far >> as I'm aware, but it is a little trickey to set up because of an interface >> issue in fusion. The other way to get an insert key is to use the sharp keys >> program. Sharp keys lets you remap a few more keys than fusion will allow. >> For example, using sharp keys, you can even remap your right command, or >> your right option key, to the windows insert. >> >> If you do it via fusion, then all your virtual machines willl get an insert >> key. If you have windows 7 and xp like I do, creating the insert key using >> the fusion keyboard remapper creates it for all virtual machines because >> fusion only allows you to do it inside its global preferences, command >> comma, and not on a per machine basis, command e. >> >> If you create your insert key using sharp keys, then it is going to be a >> local setting for that windows installation only, because sharp keys >> modifies the windows registry to do the trick. Both methods will give you >> the same result: an insert key that is not just insert, but that can be held >> down as if it were a modifier key for other keys. >> >> This answers your other issue, where capslock cannot be used inside the >> virtual machine as a modifier. It works as a caps lock, but you can't hold >> it down and press a letter inside the virtual machine, in order to give >> commands to your screen reader. Sharp keys and fusion itself though, will >> give you an insert key like the one on a normal windows computer. This lets >> you use insert rather than caps lock for your screen reader's commands, so >> let's concentrate on insert, and I will leave caps lock for someone else. >> >> Now, let's look at the way you can do it inside fusion. I'm using fusion >> 3.1.3, which is the latest version as of today. To update, go to the menu >> bar in fusion, vo m, then once right, then down to check for updates, and >> then follow the instructions. >> >> First, fire up fusion and, just to be certain, have your virtual machines >> shut down. Then press command comma to open fusion's global preferences. >> >> At the top of this window is a toolbar. Interact with it and click keyboard >> and mouse. A new window will appear. >> >> The first thing you will encounter is a pop up button where you choose your >> keyboard and mouse profile. The window itself consists of 4 tab sheets, and >> all those settings together are stored in a keyboard and mouse profile. I >> don't think we will ever need a second profile, but that's what the button >> allows. Leave it at its default. >> >> The first tab sheet of this dialog, named, key mappings, is where you can >> swap your windows logo and alt keys. By default, fusion will map your >> command key to the windows logo key, and your option key to the windows alt >> key. This is not very intuitive for those of us who are used to windows and >> its keyboard layout, but it's easy to swap them. See below. In this window, >> you will also be able to create your insert key inside fusion, and if you >> want, give yourself a num lock toggle as well. >> >> If you look at this table, then many mac keys are mapped to some windows >> counterparts. Personally, I don't think that is necessary at all. For >> example, in windows, you use control plus c to copy an item to the >> clipboard. On the mac, we're used to pressing command plus c to copy. In >> fusion, there is a default key mapping that makes command c the equivalent >> of control c. In other words, pressing control c or co
Re: Running a Mac with Windows on
Hi Jeff, Here is the text you requested. --- Your first question, what to do about a non-existent insert key inside a virtual machine, is quite a story if you want to know the ins and outs. Along the way, we will get there. Here you go. First off, it is true that you have no insert key on the mac, while you often do need one in windows. You can create a key mapping for yourself in 1 of 2 ways. Either using fusion itself, and there is no real down side as far as I'm aware, but it is a little trickey to set up because of an interface issue in fusion. The other way to get an insert key is to use the sharp keys program. Sharp keys lets you remap a few more keys than fusion will allow. For example, using sharp keys, you can even remap your right command, or your right option key, to the windows insert. If you do it via fusion, then all your virtual machines willl get an insert key. If you have windows 7 and xp like I do, creating the insert key using the fusion keyboard remapper creates it for all virtual machines because fusion only allows you to do it inside its global preferences, command comma, and not on a per machine basis, command e. If you create your insert key using sharp keys, then it is going to be a local setting for that windows installation only, because sharp keys modifies the windows registry to do the trick. Both methods will give you the same result: an insert key that is not just insert, but that can be held down as if it were a modifier key for other keys. This answers your other issue, where capslock cannot be used inside the virtual machine as a modifier. It works as a caps lock, but you can't hold it down and press a letter inside the virtual machine, in order to give commands to your screen reader. Sharp keys and fusion itself though, will give you an insert key like the one on a normal windows computer. This lets you use insert rather than caps lock for your screen reader's commands, so let's concentrate on insert, and I will leave caps lock for someone else. Now, let's look at the way you can do it inside fusion. I'm using fusion 3.1.3, which is the latest version as of today. To update, go to the menu bar in fusion, vo m, then once right, then down to check for updates, and then follow the instructions. First, fire up fusion and, just to be certain, have your virtual machines shut down. Then press command comma to open fusion's global preferences. At the top of this window is a toolbar. Interact with it and click keyboard and mouse. A new window will appear. The first thing you will encounter is a pop up button where you choose your keyboard and mouse profile. The window itself consists of 4 tab sheets, and all those settings together are stored in a keyboard and mouse profile. I don't think we will ever need a second profile, but that's what the button allows. Leave it at its default. The first tab sheet of this dialog, named, key mappings, is where you can swap your windows logo and alt keys. By default, fusion will map your command key to the windows logo key, and your option key to the windows alt key. This is not very intuitive for those of us who are used to windows and its keyboard layout, but it's easy to swap them. See below. In this window, you will also be able to create your insert key inside fusion, and if you want, give yourself a num lock toggle as well. If you look at this table, then many mac keys are mapped to some windows counterparts. Personally, I don't think that is necessary at all. For example, in windows, you use control plus c to copy an item to the clipboard. On the mac, we're used to pressing command plus c to copy. In fusion, there is a default key mapping that makes command c the equivalent of control c. In other words, pressing control c or command c in windows will do the same thing. This is non-standard windows tweaking I don't like, so what I did to begin with, is clear this entire list. To the right of this table, you have 2 unlabeled buttons. The left one is add, and the right one is delete and entry in this table. Just focus on the right button of the 2, and hit vo space until the list is empty. You will also delete the undesired alt and windows logo key mappings this way. Now, you must create your own mappings, so that your mac command key will become the alt key in windows, and so that your option key can become your windows logo key inside windows. Here's how to do it. First, click add, to add a new mapping to the table. This is the left unlabeled button, to the right of the table. A new window appears, that you will later close with an ok button to return here. In the new window, you see your mac modifier keys with checkboxes, and a combo box for an additional key. For example, you will hear shift unchecked checkbox, and command, unchecked checkbox. In this case, where we want to map our option key to the windows logo key, we don't need the combo boxes in this dialog, so
Re: Running a Mac with Windows on
Hi Bill, I would say: maybe you can consult the doc or help that comes with fusion. I suspect you're right but I myself don't know. But having a quad core and having fusion with windows 7, which can take advantage of multiple cores, i think it does make a difference to change the number of allocated cores. Paul. On Sep 6, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Bill Holton wrote: > A related question. If I have a quad core Mini can I allocate it to four > processors? If I do does Windows share the processers with Lion on a need > to use basis? I suspect this must be true because otherwise you could not > run VM Fusion with a single core chip. > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 10:06 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Running a Mac with Windows on > > Eric, Bill, list, > The way to allocate ram to your virtual machine is an easy one this time. > Here's how to allocate ram to your virtual windows machine inside vmware > fusion. > 1. Fire up fusion. If your virtual windows machine starts up, then shut it > down, but don't command w close its window. The virtual machine should be > visible, after having it shut down, but not running. > 2. Now, hit command plus e, to get into the settings for only this virtual > machine. > 3. From here, it's easy. Just go to processors and ram, and in there, make > sure you type 2048 in the ram field for your virtual machine. Having 4 gigs > in your mac will give 2 gigabytes to the virtual machine, and the rest to > the mac. That's all. > 4. Don't forget to close and save the new setting with command w. > > Hth, > Paul. > > On Sep 4, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > >> Hi Paul and others, >> >> Paul, your directions worked perfectly! I'm now making progress. > Windows 7 is running and JAWS is talking to me. >> >> The next important thing is getting a insert key as sadly even in laptop > mode the caps lock seems to stay a caps lock. I have sharp keys downloaded > but don't seem to be able to get it to work. >> Is there a way to re map the keys in VM fusion? >> >> And another tip where do I make sure the ram allocation is split to 2 GB > each for my 4 gb machine? >> >> Thanks so much for this help folks! I'd be lost without this assistance! >> >> eric Caron >> On Sep 4, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Paul Erkens wrote: >> >>> Hi Eric, >>> Don't worry about the version of fusion. You can update any time by going > into the menu bar, vo m, then one vo right arrow to the fusion menu, then vo > down to check for updates. That should give you the latest and lion > compatible version. I'm running it just fine. >>> >>> Regarding the vmware tools, it will say not installed as long as the > tools are really not installed. It will say update vmware tools as soon as > the tools have ben successfully installed, but once installed there's > nothing to update. >>> >>> Your next question was how to get into the windows environment. If you > are inside fusion, you can check if windows is currently running by going > into the menu bar, vo m, then right to virtual machines, then down to > windows is off, windows is running, windows is suspended. That's a status > item and it is therefore always dimmed. Below it, in the same menu, you will > find options to change the status. I.e., if windows is now suspended, you > will find resume. If windows is running, you will find restart, shutdown > suspend. If windows is off, you will find startup. Make sure windows is > running, to begin with. >>> >>> Now, how to get into windows. First off, windows can be full screen, in > which case you only see button button in the entire fusion window, or > windows can be in a small, tiny window inside fusion. If windows is > minimized this way, you will hear connect apple facetime hd camera, connect > hard disk, network, sharing etc. If you encounter these controls in the > fusion window, you know that windows is now in a very small portion of the > screen, inside the fusion window with all its controls. >>> >>> To toggle these 2 states, minimized or full screen, use command control > enter, and explore the window with voiceover so you familiarize yourself > with the 2 states. >>> >>> Now make sure windows is minimized. With voiceover, find something that > says progress bar. This item is not really a progress bar, but it is the > tiny window that windows 7 runs in. Now that you set focus to this window, &g
RE: Running a Mac with Windows on
A related question. If I have a quad core Mini can I allocate it to four processors? If I do does Windows share the processers with Lion on a need to use basis? I suspect this must be true because otherwise you could not run VM Fusion with a single core chip. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 10:06 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Running a Mac with Windows on Eric, Bill, list, The way to allocate ram to your virtual machine is an easy one this time. Here's how to allocate ram to your virtual windows machine inside vmware fusion. 1. Fire up fusion. If your virtual windows machine starts up, then shut it down, but don't command w close its window. The virtual machine should be visible, after having it shut down, but not running. 2. Now, hit command plus e, to get into the settings for only this virtual machine. 3. From here, it's easy. Just go to processors and ram, and in there, make sure you type 2048 in the ram field for your virtual machine. Having 4 gigs in your mac will give 2 gigabytes to the virtual machine, and the rest to the mac. That's all. 4. Don't forget to close and save the new setting with command w. Hth, Paul. On Sep 4, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > Hi Paul and others, > > Paul, your directions worked perfectly! I'm now making progress. Windows 7 is running and JAWS is talking to me. > > The next important thing is getting a insert key as sadly even in laptop mode the caps lock seems to stay a caps lock. I have sharp keys downloaded but don't seem to be able to get it to work. > Is there a way to re map the keys in VM fusion? > > And another tip where do I make sure the ram allocation is split to 2 GB each for my 4 gb machine? > > Thanks so much for this help folks! I'd be lost without this assistance! > > eric Caron > On Sep 4, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Paul Erkens wrote: > >> Hi Eric, >> Don't worry about the version of fusion. You can update any time by going into the menu bar, vo m, then one vo right arrow to the fusion menu, then vo down to check for updates. That should give you the latest and lion compatible version. I'm running it just fine. >> >> Regarding the vmware tools, it will say not installed as long as the tools are really not installed. It will say update vmware tools as soon as the tools have ben successfully installed, but once installed there's nothing to update. >> >> Your next question was how to get into the windows environment. If you are inside fusion, you can check if windows is currently running by going into the menu bar, vo m, then right to virtual machines, then down to windows is off, windows is running, windows is suspended. That's a status item and it is therefore always dimmed. Below it, in the same menu, you will find options to change the status. I.e., if windows is now suspended, you will find resume. If windows is running, you will find restart, shutdown suspend. If windows is off, you will find startup. Make sure windows is running, to begin with. >> >> Now, how to get into windows. First off, windows can be full screen, in which case you only see button button in the entire fusion window, or windows can be in a small, tiny window inside fusion. If windows is minimized this way, you will hear connect apple facetime hd camera, connect hard disk, network, sharing etc. If you encounter these controls in the fusion window, you know that windows is now in a very small portion of the screen, inside the fusion window with all its controls. >> >> To toggle these 2 states, minimized or full screen, use command control enter, and explore the window with voiceover so you familiarize yourself with the 2 states. >> >> Now make sure windows is minimized. With voiceover, find something that says progress bar. This item is not really a progress bar, but it is the tiny window that windows 7 runs in. Now that you set focus to this window, turn voiceover off, command f5, and enlarge windows from here. Control command enter. From now on, you're in the windows environment. >> >> Now, be ware that your command key by default is not your alt key, and that option is not windows logo. Instead, these are swapped. You can restore that behaviour if you want so ask if you want that. To start narrator as a test, hit win plus r to open the windows run dialog, type narrator and press enter. Narrator is a bad thing to use in windows 7, so install nvda jaws window eyes whatever, as soon as you can. Remember: win r is command plus r until you change it. >> >> Hth, and let us know your further questions. From within windows, shut it down using windows itself. You will return back into
Re: Running a Mac with Windows on
Hi William Windels, Windows is rather snappy on vmware fusion. I have xp and I'm running it without any trouble. It is true that you need to manage your usb devices when connecting them to the vm, but is workable really. In fusion, when windows is minimized and running, you have a bunch of options to manage your devices. Say you have a braille display connected, then you will find an option like: connect alva bc640 braille display. If you click that, then you will hear your familiar xp device is connected dong ding sound, and the fusion button in turn wil change to: disconnect alva bc640 braille display. If you hit it again, you will hear your familiar windows device is disconnected ding dong, sound, and the display is available to os10 again. Same goes for other devices like external drives. First time you hook it up, fusion will ask where to connect it. As usual to the mac, or right into windows. If you choose connect to windows, then os10 won't even see the device until you shutdown windows. This bit of knowledge is useful if you want to avoid all kinds of hidden mac files appear on your external fat32 drives. Just make sure that os10 never gets to see your usb disks, by connecting them straight to windows when it is running, and safely remove hardware before you shut windows back down. If you need more help just ask here. Hth, Paul. On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:51 AM, William Windels wrote: > Hello all, > I had not that good experiences wit xp with vmware > because xp is so slow on a macbook with 4gb of ram and each os has 2 gb of > ram. It's also difficult to use usb devices on virtual windows after i have > used them on the mac like a braille display. > You have to release the device in osx before you can use it on windows. Or > revers. > Also, after setting windows in suspend mode, the screenreader and other > usb-devices like described above, are doing so strange. > With version 2.5 of vmware , I discovered more times that the scripts to > restart the virtual machine where broken so that I couldn't shutdown or > restart windows properly. > > I discovered also that windows on a virtual machine was much mor slower than > a native boot on a slower laptop. > Again , what's the good memory management between vmware and mac? > > Because of all that litle frustrations, I was discouraged to use windows in a > virtual machine but perhaps no, it's better and I should give it a try again. > > > Mvg > william Windels > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone > > Op 5-sep.-2011 om 20:08 heeft "Bill Holton" het > volgende geschreven: > >> Hi. >> I read and replied to your other message before this, so thanks for already >> sending a description on how to swap those keys. >> Bill >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens >> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 10:01 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Running a Mac with Windows on >> >> Hi Eric Caron, >> >> Your first question, what to do about a non-existent insert key inside a >> virtual machine, is quite a story if you want to know the ins and outs. >> Along the way, we will get there. Here you go. >> >> First off, it is true that you have no insert key on the mac, while you >> often do need one in windows. You can create a key mapping for yourself in 1 >> of 2 ways. Either using fusion itself, and there is no real down side as far >> as I'm aware, but it is a little trickey to set up because of an interface >> issue in fusion. The other way to get an insert key is to use the sharp keys >> program. Sharp keys lets you remap a few more keys than fusion will allow. >> For example, using sharp keys, you can even remap your right command, or >> your right option key, to the windows insert. >> >> If you do it via fusion, then all your virtual machines willl get an insert >> key. If you have windows 7 and xp like I do, creating the insert key using >> the fusion keyboard remapper creates it for all virtual machines because >> fusion only allows you to do it inside its global preferences, command >> comma, and not on a per machine basis, command e. >> >> If you create your insert key using sharp keys, then it is going to be a >> local setting for that windows installation only, because sharp keys >> modifies the windows registry to do the trick. Both methods will give you >> the same result: an insert key that is not just insert, but that can be held >> down as if it were a modifier key for other keys. >> >> This answers your other issue, where c
Re: Running a Mac with Windows on
Hello all, I had not that good experiences wit xp with vmware because xp is so slow on a macbook with 4gb of ram and each os has 2 gb of ram. It's also difficult to use usb devices on virtual windows after i have used them on the mac like a braille display. You have to release the device in osx before you can use it on windows. Or revers. Also, after setting windows in suspend mode, the screenreader and other usb-devices like described above, are doing so strange. With version 2.5 of vmware , I discovered more times that the scripts to restart the virtual machine where broken so that I couldn't shutdown or restart windows properly. I discovered also that windows on a virtual machine was much mor slower than a native boot on a slower laptop. Again , what's the good memory management between vmware and mac? Because of all that litle frustrations, I was discouraged to use windows in a virtual machine but perhaps no, it's better and I should give it a try again. Mvg william Windels Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone Op 5-sep.-2011 om 20:08 heeft "Bill Holton" het volgende geschreven: > Hi. > I read and replied to your other message before this, so thanks for already > sending a description on how to swap those keys. > Bill > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 10:01 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Running a Mac with Windows on > > Hi Eric Caron, > > Your first question, what to do about a non-existent insert key inside a > virtual machine, is quite a story if you want to know the ins and outs. > Along the way, we will get there. Here you go. > > First off, it is true that you have no insert key on the mac, while you > often do need one in windows. You can create a key mapping for yourself in 1 > of 2 ways. Either using fusion itself, and there is no real down side as far > as I'm aware, but it is a little trickey to set up because of an interface > issue in fusion. The other way to get an insert key is to use the sharp keys > program. Sharp keys lets you remap a few more keys than fusion will allow. > For example, using sharp keys, you can even remap your right command, or > your right option key, to the windows insert. > > If you do it via fusion, then all your virtual machines willl get an insert > key. If you have windows 7 and xp like I do, creating the insert key using > the fusion keyboard remapper creates it for all virtual machines because > fusion only allows you to do it inside its global preferences, command > comma, and not on a per machine basis, command e. > > If you create your insert key using sharp keys, then it is going to be a > local setting for that windows installation only, because sharp keys > modifies the windows registry to do the trick. Both methods will give you > the same result: an insert key that is not just insert, but that can be held > down as if it were a modifier key for other keys. > > This answers your other issue, where capslock cannot be used inside the > virtual machine as a modifier. It works as a caps lock, but you can't hold > it down and press a letter inside the virtual machine, in order to give > commands to your screen reader. Sharp keys and fusion itself though, will > give you an insert key like the one on a normal windows computer. This lets > you use insert rather than caps lock for your screen reader's commands, so > let's concentrate on insert, and I will leave caps lock for someone else. > > Now, let's look at the way you can do it inside fusion. I'm using fusion > 3.1.3, which is the latest version as of today. To update, go to the menu > bar in fusion, vo m, then once right, then down to check for updates, and > then follow the instructions. > > First, fire up fusion and, just to be certain, have your virtual machines > shut down. Then press command comma to open fusion's global preferences. > > At the top of this window is a toolbar. Interact with it and click keyboard > and mouse. A new window will appear. > > The first thing you will encounter is a pop up button where you choose your > keyboard and mouse profile. The window itself consists of 4 tab sheets, and > all those settings together are stored in a keyboard and mouse profile. I > don't think we will ever need a second profile, but that's what the button > allows. Leave it at its default. > > The first tab sheet of this dialog, named, key mappings, is where you can > swap your windows logo and alt keys. By default, fusion will map your > command key to the windows logo key, and your option key to the windows alt > key. This is not
RE: Running a Mac with Windows on
Hi. I read and replied to your other message before this, so thanks for already sending a description on how to swap those keys. Bill -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 10:01 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Running a Mac with Windows on Hi Eric Caron, Your first question, what to do about a non-existent insert key inside a virtual machine, is quite a story if you want to know the ins and outs. Along the way, we will get there. Here you go. First off, it is true that you have no insert key on the mac, while you often do need one in windows. You can create a key mapping for yourself in 1 of 2 ways. Either using fusion itself, and there is no real down side as far as I'm aware, but it is a little trickey to set up because of an interface issue in fusion. The other way to get an insert key is to use the sharp keys program. Sharp keys lets you remap a few more keys than fusion will allow. For example, using sharp keys, you can even remap your right command, or your right option key, to the windows insert. If you do it via fusion, then all your virtual machines willl get an insert key. If you have windows 7 and xp like I do, creating the insert key using the fusion keyboard remapper creates it for all virtual machines because fusion only allows you to do it inside its global preferences, command comma, and not on a per machine basis, command e. If you create your insert key using sharp keys, then it is going to be a local setting for that windows installation only, because sharp keys modifies the windows registry to do the trick. Both methods will give you the same result: an insert key that is not just insert, but that can be held down as if it were a modifier key for other keys. This answers your other issue, where capslock cannot be used inside the virtual machine as a modifier. It works as a caps lock, but you can't hold it down and press a letter inside the virtual machine, in order to give commands to your screen reader. Sharp keys and fusion itself though, will give you an insert key like the one on a normal windows computer. This lets you use insert rather than caps lock for your screen reader's commands, so let's concentrate on insert, and I will leave caps lock for someone else. Now, let's look at the way you can do it inside fusion. I'm using fusion 3.1.3, which is the latest version as of today. To update, go to the menu bar in fusion, vo m, then once right, then down to check for updates, and then follow the instructions. First, fire up fusion and, just to be certain, have your virtual machines shut down. Then press command comma to open fusion's global preferences. At the top of this window is a toolbar. Interact with it and click keyboard and mouse. A new window will appear. The first thing you will encounter is a pop up button where you choose your keyboard and mouse profile. The window itself consists of 4 tab sheets, and all those settings together are stored in a keyboard and mouse profile. I don't think we will ever need a second profile, but that's what the button allows. Leave it at its default. The first tab sheet of this dialog, named, key mappings, is where you can swap your windows logo and alt keys. By default, fusion will map your command key to the windows logo key, and your option key to the windows alt key. This is not very intuitive for those of us who are used to windows and its keyboard layout, but it's easy to swap them. See below. In this window, you will also be able to create your insert key inside fusion, and if you want, give yourself a num lock toggle as well. If you look at this table, then many mac keys are mapped to some windows counterparts. Personally, I don't think that is necessary at all. For example, in windows, you use control plus c to copy an item to the clipboard. On the mac, we're used to pressing command plus c to copy. In fusion, there is a default key mapping that makes command c the equivalent of control c. In other words, pressing control c or command c in windows will do the same thing. This is non-standard windows tweaking I don't like, so what I did to begin with, is clear this entire list. To the right of this table, you have 2 unlabeled buttons. The left one is add, and the right one is delete and entry in this table. Just focus on the right button of the 2, and hit vo space until the list is empty. You will also delete the undesired alt and windows logo key mappings this way. Now, you must create your own mappings, so that your mac command key will become the alt key in windows, and so that your option key can become your windows logo key inside windows. Here's how to do it. First, click add, to add a new mapping to the table. This is the left unlabeled button, to the right of the table. A new window appears, t
RE: Running a Mac with Windows on
Yes, apparently I had turned the Superdrivej off, now back on and working fine. Thanks. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 11:12 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Running a Mac with Windows on Hi Bill Holton, Once you have the virtual machine running, minimize windows, control command enter, turn on voiceover, and in the underlying fusion window, now containing a minimized version of your running windows, find an item that reads: cd and dvd. Click it, explore the settings, and try to see what is wrong. Is the superdrive connected to the virtual machine or not? Are you perhaps using a disk image that no longer exists? To close the dvd settings windows, simply use command w. Then find the progress bar in the fusion window, urn voice over off, and finally maximize windows again. You should be all set. Hth, Paul. On Sep 4, 2011, at 10:33 PM, Bill Holton wrote: > Hi again. > Thanks to your message I am making significant progress. My big mistake was > forgetting the key swap. I am actually using a Wondows keyboard, but I used > the keyboard setup to swap the Windows and the Alt key. Is there a way I > can swap them back for use in Windows? > I was able to turn on Narrator. I have a Window eyes disk in my superdrive, > but when I check the computer this drive doesn't show up. I only see a c: > hard drive and a floppy a drive, which I don't have. > Another nudge forward would be greatly appreciated. > Bill > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 2:58 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Running a Mac with Windows on > > Hi Eric, > Don't worry about the version of fusion. You can update any time by going > into the menu bar, vo m, then one vo right arrow to the fusion menu, then vo > down to check for updates. That should give you the latest and lion > compatible version. I'm running it just fine. > > Regarding the vmware tools, it will say not installed as long as the tools > are really not installed. It will say update vmware tools as soon as the > tools have ben successfully installed, but once installed there's nothing to > update. > > Your next question was how to get into the windows environment. If you are > inside fusion, you can check if windows is currently running by going into > the menu bar, vo m, then right to virtual machines, then down to windows is > off, windows is running, windows is suspended. That's a status item and it > is therefore always dimmed. Below it, in the same menu, you will find > options to change the status. I.e., if windows is now suspended, you will > find resume. If windows is running, you will find restart, shutdown suspend. > If windows is off, you will find startup. Make sure windows is running, to > begin with. > > Now, how to get into windows. First off, windows can be full screen, in > which case you only see button button in the entire fusion window, or > windows can be in a small, tiny window inside fusion. If windows is > minimized this way, you will hear connect apple facetime hd camera, connect > hard disk, network, sharing etc. If you encounter these controls in the > fusion window, you know that windows is now in a very small portion of the > screen, inside the fusion window with all its controls. > > To toggle these 2 states, minimized or full screen, use command control > enter, and explore the window with voiceover so you familiarize yourself > with the 2 states. > > Now make sure windows is minimized. With voiceover, find something that says > progress bar. This item is not really a progress bar, but it is the tiny > window that windows 7 runs in. Now that you set focus to this window, turn > voiceover off, command f5, and enlarge windows from here. Control command > enter. From now on, you're in the windows environment. > > Now, be ware that your command key by default is not your alt key, and that > option is not windows logo. Instead, these are swapped. You can restore that > behaviour if you want so ask if you want that. To start narrator as a test, > hit win plus r to open the windows run dialog, type narrator and press > enter. Narrator is a bad thing to use in windows 7, so install nvda jaws > window eyes whatever, as soon as you can. Remember: win r is command plus r > until you change it. > > Hth, and let us know your further questions. From within windows, shut it > down using windows itself. You will return back into fusion, where you can > turn on voiceover some 5 seconds after windows 7 s
Re: Running a Mac with Windows on
Hi Bill Holton, Once you have the virtual machine running, minimize windows, control command enter, turn on voiceover, and in the underlying fusion window, now containing a minimized version of your running windows, find an item that reads: cd and dvd. Click it, explore the settings, and try to see what is wrong. Is the superdrive connected to the virtual machine or not? Are you perhaps using a disk image that no longer exists? To close the dvd settings windows, simply use command w. Then find the progress bar in the fusion window, urn voice over off, and finally maximize windows again. You should be all set. Hth, Paul. On Sep 4, 2011, at 10:33 PM, Bill Holton wrote: > Hi again. > Thanks to your message I am making significant progress. My big mistake was > forgetting the key swap. I am actually using a Wondows keyboard, but I used > the keyboard setup to swap the Windows and the Alt key. Is there a way I > can swap them back for use in Windows? > I was able to turn on Narrator. I have a Window eyes disk in my superdrive, > but when I check the computer this drive doesn't show up. I only see a c: > hard drive and a floppy a drive, which I don't have. > Another nudge forward would be greatly appreciated. > Bill > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 2:58 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Running a Mac with Windows on > > Hi Eric, > Don't worry about the version of fusion. You can update any time by going > into the menu bar, vo m, then one vo right arrow to the fusion menu, then vo > down to check for updates. That should give you the latest and lion > compatible version. I'm running it just fine. > > Regarding the vmware tools, it will say not installed as long as the tools > are really not installed. It will say update vmware tools as soon as the > tools have ben successfully installed, but once installed there's nothing to > update. > > Your next question was how to get into the windows environment. If you are > inside fusion, you can check if windows is currently running by going into > the menu bar, vo m, then right to virtual machines, then down to windows is > off, windows is running, windows is suspended. That's a status item and it > is therefore always dimmed. Below it, in the same menu, you will find > options to change the status. I.e., if windows is now suspended, you will > find resume. If windows is running, you will find restart, shutdown suspend. > If windows is off, you will find startup. Make sure windows is running, to > begin with. > > Now, how to get into windows. First off, windows can be full screen, in > which case you only see button button in the entire fusion window, or > windows can be in a small, tiny window inside fusion. If windows is > minimized this way, you will hear connect apple facetime hd camera, connect > hard disk, network, sharing etc. If you encounter these controls in the > fusion window, you know that windows is now in a very small portion of the > screen, inside the fusion window with all its controls. > > To toggle these 2 states, minimized or full screen, use command control > enter, and explore the window with voiceover so you familiarize yourself > with the 2 states. > > Now make sure windows is minimized. With voiceover, find something that says > progress bar. This item is not really a progress bar, but it is the tiny > window that windows 7 runs in. Now that you set focus to this window, turn > voiceover off, command f5, and enlarge windows from here. Control command > enter. From now on, you're in the windows environment. > > Now, be ware that your command key by default is not your alt key, and that > option is not windows logo. Instead, these are swapped. You can restore that > behaviour if you want so ask if you want that. To start narrator as a test, > hit win plus r to open the windows run dialog, type narrator and press > enter. Narrator is a bad thing to use in windows 7, so install nvda jaws > window eyes whatever, as soon as you can. Remember: win r is command plus r > until you change it. > > Hth, and let us know your further questions. From within windows, shut it > down using windows itself. You will return back into fusion, where you can > turn on voiceover some 5 seconds after windows 7 shuts down, and then you > can go ahead as usual. > Paul. > On Sep 4, 2011, at 8:28 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > >> Hi Mike and others, >> >> I just took the plunge and purchased VM Fusion. I would love some > help from some VM Fusion users. My first big concern is that I purchased VM > Fusion 3.1 an
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Eric, Bill, list, The way to allocate ram to your virtual machine is an easy one this time. Here's how to allocate ram to your virtual windows machine inside vmware fusion. 1. Fire up fusion. If your virtual windows machine starts up, then shut it down, but don't command w close its window. The virtual machine should be visible, after having it shut down, but not running. 2. Now, hit command plus e, to get into the settings for only this virtual machine. 3. From here, it's easy. Just go to processors and ram, and in there, make sure you type 2048 in the ram field for your virtual machine. Having 4 gigs in your mac will give 2 gigabytes to the virtual machine, and the rest to the mac. That's all. 4. Don't forget to close and save the new setting with command w. Hth, Paul. On Sep 4, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > Hi Paul and others, > > Paul, your directions worked perfectly! I'm now making progress. > Windows 7 is running and JAWS is talking to me. > > The next important thing is getting a insert key as sadly even in laptop mode > the caps lock seems to stay a caps lock. I have sharp keys downloaded but > don't seem to be able to get it to work. > Is there a way to re map the keys in VM fusion? > > And another tip where do I make sure the ram allocation is split to 2 GB each > for my 4 gb machine? > > Thanks so much for this help folks! I'd be lost without this assistance! > > eric Caron > On Sep 4, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Paul Erkens wrote: > >> Hi Eric, >> Don't worry about the version of fusion. You can update any time by going >> into the menu bar, vo m, then one vo right arrow to the fusion menu, then vo >> down to check for updates. That should give you the latest and lion >> compatible version. I'm running it just fine. >> >> Regarding the vmware tools, it will say not installed as long as the tools >> are really not installed. It will say update vmware tools as soon as the >> tools have ben successfully installed, but once installed there's nothing to >> update. >> >> Your next question was how to get into the windows environment. If you are >> inside fusion, you can check if windows is currently running by going into >> the menu bar, vo m, then right to virtual machines, then down to windows is >> off, windows is running, windows is suspended. That's a status item and it >> is therefore always dimmed. Below it, in the same menu, you will find >> options to change the status. I.e., if windows is now suspended, you will >> find resume. If windows is running, you will find restart, shutdown suspend. >> If windows is off, you will find startup. Make sure windows is running, to >> begin with. >> >> Now, how to get into windows. First off, windows can be full screen, in >> which case you only see button button in the entire fusion window, or >> windows can be in a small, tiny window inside fusion. If windows is >> minimized this way, you will hear connect apple facetime hd camera, connect >> hard disk, network, sharing etc. If you encounter these controls in the >> fusion window, you know that windows is now in a very small portion of the >> screen, inside the fusion window with all its controls. >> >> To toggle these 2 states, minimized or full screen, use command control >> enter, and explore the window with voiceover so you familiarize yourself >> with the 2 states. >> >> Now make sure windows is minimized. With voiceover, find something that says >> progress bar. This item is not really a progress bar, but it is the tiny >> window that windows 7 runs in. Now that you set focus to this window, turn >> voiceover off, command f5, and enlarge windows from here. Control command >> enter. From now on, you're in the windows environment. >> >> Now, be ware that your command key by default is not your alt key, and that >> option is not windows logo. Instead, these are swapped. You can restore that >> behaviour if you want so ask if you want that. To start narrator as a test, >> hit win plus r to open the windows run dialog, type narrator and press >> enter. Narrator is a bad thing to use in windows 7, so install nvda jaws >> window eyes whatever, as soon as you can. Remember: win r is command plus r >> until you change it. >> >> Hth, and let us know your further questions. From within windows, shut it >> down using windows itself. You will return back into fusion, where you can >> turn on voiceover some 5 seconds after windows 7 shuts down, and then you >> can go ahead as usual. >> Paul. >> On Sep 4, 2011, at 8:28 PM, Eric Caron wrote: >> >>> Hi Mike and others, >>> >>> I just took the plunge and purchased VM Fusion. I would love some help >>> from some VM Fusion users. My first big concern is that I purchased VM >>> Fusion 3.1 and as I read the documentation it says nothing about Lyon. Are >>> people using VM Fusion 3.1 with Lyon and Windows 7? >>> >>> I got to a point in the installation where it says VM Tools w
Re: Running a Mac with Windows on
Hi Eric Caron, Your first question, what to do about a non-existent insert key inside a virtual machine, is quite a story if you want to know the ins and outs. Along the way, we will get there. Here you go. First off, it is true that you have no insert key on the mac, while you often do need one in windows. You can create a key mapping for yourself in 1 of 2 ways. Either using fusion itself, and there is no real down side as far as I'm aware, but it is a little trickey to set up because of an interface issue in fusion. The other way to get an insert key is to use the sharp keys program. Sharp keys lets you remap a few more keys than fusion will allow. For example, using sharp keys, you can even remap your right command, or your right option key, to the windows insert. If you do it via fusion, then all your virtual machines willl get an insert key. If you have windows 7 and xp like I do, creating the insert key using the fusion keyboard remapper creates it for all virtual machines because fusion only allows you to do it inside its global preferences, command comma, and not on a per machine basis, command e. If you create your insert key using sharp keys, then it is going to be a local setting for that windows installation only, because sharp keys modifies the windows registry to do the trick. Both methods will give you the same result: an insert key that is not just insert, but that can be held down as if it were a modifier key for other keys. This answers your other issue, where capslock cannot be used inside the virtual machine as a modifier. It works as a caps lock, but you can't hold it down and press a letter inside the virtual machine, in order to give commands to your screen reader. Sharp keys and fusion itself though, will give you an insert key like the one on a normal windows computer. This lets you use insert rather than caps lock for your screen reader's commands, so let's concentrate on insert, and I will leave caps lock for someone else. Now, let's look at the way you can do it inside fusion. I'm using fusion 3.1.3, which is the latest version as of today. To update, go to the menu bar in fusion, vo m, then once right, then down to check for updates, and then follow the instructions. First, fire up fusion and, just to be certain, have your virtual machines shut down. Then press command comma to open fusion's global preferences. At the top of this window is a toolbar. Interact with it and click keyboard and mouse. A new window will appear. The first thing you will encounter is a pop up button where you choose your keyboard and mouse profile. The window itself consists of 4 tab sheets, and all those settings together are stored in a keyboard and mouse profile. I don't think we will ever need a second profile, but that's what the button allows. Leave it at its default. The first tab sheet of this dialog, named, key mappings, is where you can swap your windows logo and alt keys. By default, fusion will map your command key to the windows logo key, and your option key to the windows alt key. This is not very intuitive for those of us who are used to windows and its keyboard layout, but it's easy to swap them. See below. In this window, you will also be able to create your insert key inside fusion, and if you want, give yourself a num lock toggle as well. If you look at this table, then many mac keys are mapped to some windows counterparts. Personally, I don't think that is necessary at all. For example, in windows, you use control plus c to copy an item to the clipboard. On the mac, we're used to pressing command plus c to copy. In fusion, there is a default key mapping that makes command c the equivalent of control c. In other words, pressing control c or command c in windows will do the same thing. This is non-standard windows tweaking I don't like, so what I did to begin with, is clear this entire list. To the right of this table, you have 2 unlabeled buttons. The left one is add, and the right one is delete and entry in this table. Just focus on the right button of the 2, and hit vo space until the list is empty. You will also delete the undesired alt and windows logo key mappings this way. Now, you must create your own mappings, so that your mac command key will become the alt key in windows, and so that your option key can become your windows logo key inside windows. Here's how to do it. First, click add, to add a new mapping to the table. This is the left unlabeled button, to the right of the table. A new window appears, that you will later close with an ok button to return here. In the new window, you see your mac modifier keys with checkboxes, and a combo box for an additional key. For example, you will hear shift unchecked checkbox, and command, unchecked checkbox. In this case, where we want to map our option key to the windows logo key, we don't need the combo boxes in this dialog, so ignore them for now. Focus on
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Hi Jorge, The person who I owe a lot to, here, is Mike Arrigo. He did 13 podcasts about the mac, one of which was about fusion. And that was so clear, and so complete, that it took me less than a day to get going. Mike, great job, for many of us. You can find mike's podcasts on www.blindcooltech.com. Even if you have had a mac for some time, it is worth revisiting those podcasts. Paul. On Sep 5, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Hypnotic Consulting wrote: > Ditto, very much appreciated Paul. > Is anyone interested in doing a audio walk through? Or has anyone done one? > Jorge > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Ditto, very much appreciated Paul. Is anyone interested in doing a audio walk through? Or has anyone done one? Jorge -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Hi again. Thanks to your message I am making significant progress. My big mistake was forgetting the key swap. I am actually using a Wondows keyboard, but I used the keyboard setup to swap the Windows and the Alt key. Is there a way I can swap them back for use in Windows? I was able to turn on Narrator. I have a Window eyes disk in my superdrive, but when I check the computer this drive doesn't show up. I only see a c: hard drive and a floppy a drive, which I don't have. Another nudge forward would be greatly appreciated. Bill -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 2:58 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Running a Mac with Windows on Hi Eric, Don't worry about the version of fusion. You can update any time by going into the menu bar, vo m, then one vo right arrow to the fusion menu, then vo down to check for updates. That should give you the latest and lion compatible version. I'm running it just fine. Regarding the vmware tools, it will say not installed as long as the tools are really not installed. It will say update vmware tools as soon as the tools have ben successfully installed, but once installed there's nothing to update. Your next question was how to get into the windows environment. If you are inside fusion, you can check if windows is currently running by going into the menu bar, vo m, then right to virtual machines, then down to windows is off, windows is running, windows is suspended. That's a status item and it is therefore always dimmed. Below it, in the same menu, you will find options to change the status. I.e., if windows is now suspended, you will find resume. If windows is running, you will find restart, shutdown suspend. If windows is off, you will find startup. Make sure windows is running, to begin with. Now, how to get into windows. First off, windows can be full screen, in which case you only see button button in the entire fusion window, or windows can be in a small, tiny window inside fusion. If windows is minimized this way, you will hear connect apple facetime hd camera, connect hard disk, network, sharing etc. If you encounter these controls in the fusion window, you know that windows is now in a very small portion of the screen, inside the fusion window with all its controls. To toggle these 2 states, minimized or full screen, use command control enter, and explore the window with voiceover so you familiarize yourself with the 2 states. Now make sure windows is minimized. With voiceover, find something that says progress bar. This item is not really a progress bar, but it is the tiny window that windows 7 runs in. Now that you set focus to this window, turn voiceover off, command f5, and enlarge windows from here. Control command enter. From now on, you're in the windows environment. Now, be ware that your command key by default is not your alt key, and that option is not windows logo. Instead, these are swapped. You can restore that behaviour if you want so ask if you want that. To start narrator as a test, hit win plus r to open the windows run dialog, type narrator and press enter. Narrator is a bad thing to use in windows 7, so install nvda jaws window eyes whatever, as soon as you can. Remember: win r is command plus r until you change it. Hth, and let us know your further questions. From within windows, shut it down using windows itself. You will return back into fusion, where you can turn on voiceover some 5 seconds after windows 7 shuts down, and then you can go ahead as usual. Paul. On Sep 4, 2011, at 8:28 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > Hi Mike and others, > > I just took the plunge and purchased VM Fusion. I would love some help from some VM Fusion users. My first big concern is that I purchased VM Fusion 3.1 and as I read the documentation it says nothing about Lyon. Are people using VM Fusion 3.1 with Lyon and Windows 7? > > I got to a point in the installation where it says VM Tools were not installed and I should go to the VM machine menu and then VM tools. first when I went there it said cancel VM tools so I assumed it was installing and left it alone. Nothing changed but when I went back to the menu it now said update VM tools. I pressed that and it offered me the chance to install a install exe file. I went ahead and pressed it. > I really don't know what to do next. For all I know everything could be working correctly and I just don't know how to enter the windows environment. I did the instal from Bootcamp hoping it would come up talking. I have entered my serial number for VM fusion but have not been asked yet for my windows key. > > I'd love some tips. I'm in a screen that has vm file Edit VM machine and such in the apple menu. on the screen there are buttons that say things like connect
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Hi Paul and others, Paul, your directions worked perfectly! I'm now making progress. Windows 7 is running and JAWS is talking to me. The next important thing is getting a insert key as sadly even in laptop mode the caps lock seems to stay a caps lock. I have sharp keys downloaded but don't seem to be able to get it to work. Is there a way to re map the keys in VM fusion? And another tip where do I make sure the ram allocation is split to 2 GB each for my 4 gb machine? Thanks so much for this help folks! I'd be lost without this assistance! eric Caron On Sep 4, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Paul Erkens wrote: > Hi Eric, > Don't worry about the version of fusion. You can update any time by going > into the menu bar, vo m, then one vo right arrow to the fusion menu, then vo > down to check for updates. That should give you the latest and lion > compatible version. I'm running it just fine. > > Regarding the vmware tools, it will say not installed as long as the tools > are really not installed. It will say update vmware tools as soon as the > tools have ben successfully installed, but once installed there's nothing to > update. > > Your next question was how to get into the windows environment. If you are > inside fusion, you can check if windows is currently running by going into > the menu bar, vo m, then right to virtual machines, then down to windows is > off, windows is running, windows is suspended. That's a status item and it is > therefore always dimmed. Below it, in the same menu, you will find options to > change the status. I.e., if windows is now suspended, you will find resume. > If windows is running, you will find restart, shutdown suspend. If windows is > off, you will find startup. Make sure windows is running, to begin with. > > Now, how to get into windows. First off, windows can be full screen, in which > case you only see button button in the entire fusion window, or windows can > be in a small, tiny window inside fusion. If windows is minimized this way, > you will hear connect apple facetime hd camera, connect hard disk, network, > sharing etc. If you encounter these controls in the fusion window, you know > that windows is now in a very small portion of the screen, inside the fusion > window with all its controls. > > To toggle these 2 states, minimized or full screen, use command control > enter, and explore the window with voiceover so you familiarize yourself with > the 2 states. > > Now make sure windows is minimized. With voiceover, find something that says > progress bar. This item is not really a progress bar, but it is the tiny > window that windows 7 runs in. Now that you set focus to this window, turn > voiceover off, command f5, and enlarge windows from here. Control command > enter. From now on, you're in the windows environment. > > Now, be ware that your command key by default is not your alt key, and that > option is not windows logo. Instead, these are swapped. You can restore that > behaviour if you want so ask if you want that. To start narrator as a test, > hit win plus r to open the windows run dialog, type narrator and press > enter. Narrator is a bad thing to use in windows 7, so install nvda jaws > window eyes whatever, as soon as you can. Remember: win r is command plus r > until you change it. > > Hth, and let us know your further questions. From within windows, shut it > down using windows itself. You will return back into fusion, where you can > turn on voiceover some 5 seconds after windows 7 shuts down, and then you can > go ahead as usual. > Paul. > On Sep 4, 2011, at 8:28 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > >> Hi Mike and others, >> >> I just took the plunge and purchased VM Fusion. I would love some help >> from some VM Fusion users. My first big concern is that I purchased VM >> Fusion 3.1 and as I read the documentation it says nothing about Lyon. Are >> people using VM Fusion 3.1 with Lyon and Windows 7? >> >> I got to a point in the installation where it says VM Tools were not >> installed and I should go to the VM machine menu and then VM tools. first >> when I went there it said cancel VM tools so I assumed it was installing and >> left it alone. Nothing changed but when I went back to the menu it now said >> update VM tools. I pressed that and it offered me the chance to install a >> install exe file. I went ahead and pressed it. >> I really don't know what to do next. For all I know everything could >> be working correctly and I just don't know how to enter the windows >> environment. I did the instal from Bootcamp hoping it would come up >> talking. I have entered my serial number for VM fusion but have not been >> asked yet for my windows key. >> >> I'd love some tips. I'm in a screen that has vm file Edit VM machine and >> such in the apple menu. on the screen there are buttons that say things >> like connect hard drive. and connect sound card. >> >>
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Thanks. This was very helpful to me, also. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Erkens Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 2:58 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Running a Mac with Windows on Hi Eric, Don't worry about the version of fusion. You can update any time by going into the menu bar, vo m, then one vo right arrow to the fusion menu, then vo down to check for updates. That should give you the latest and lion compatible version. I'm running it just fine. Regarding the vmware tools, it will say not installed as long as the tools are really not installed. It will say update vmware tools as soon as the tools have ben successfully installed, but once installed there's nothing to update. Your next question was how to get into the windows environment. If you are inside fusion, you can check if windows is currently running by going into the menu bar, vo m, then right to virtual machines, then down to windows is off, windows is running, windows is suspended. That's a status item and it is therefore always dimmed. Below it, in the same menu, you will find options to change the status. I.e., if windows is now suspended, you will find resume. If windows is running, you will find restart, shutdown suspend. If windows is off, you will find startup. Make sure windows is running, to begin with. Now, how to get into windows. First off, windows can be full screen, in which case you only see button button in the entire fusion window, or windows can be in a small, tiny window inside fusion. If windows is minimized this way, you will hear connect apple facetime hd camera, connect hard disk, network, sharing etc. If you encounter these controls in the fusion window, you know that windows is now in a very small portion of the screen, inside the fusion window with all its controls. To toggle these 2 states, minimized or full screen, use command control enter, and explore the window with voiceover so you familiarize yourself with the 2 states. Now make sure windows is minimized. With voiceover, find something that says progress bar. This item is not really a progress bar, but it is the tiny window that windows 7 runs in. Now that you set focus to this window, turn voiceover off, command f5, and enlarge windows from here. Control command enter. From now on, you're in the windows environment. Now, be ware that your command key by default is not your alt key, and that option is not windows logo. Instead, these are swapped. You can restore that behaviour if you want so ask if you want that. To start narrator as a test, hit win plus r to open the windows run dialog, type narrator and press enter. Narrator is a bad thing to use in windows 7, so install nvda jaws window eyes whatever, as soon as you can. Remember: win r is command plus r until you change it. Hth, and let us know your further questions. From within windows, shut it down using windows itself. You will return back into fusion, where you can turn on voiceover some 5 seconds after windows 7 shuts down, and then you can go ahead as usual. Paul. On Sep 4, 2011, at 8:28 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > Hi Mike and others, > > I just took the plunge and purchased VM Fusion. I would love some help from some VM Fusion users. My first big concern is that I purchased VM Fusion 3.1 and as I read the documentation it says nothing about Lyon. Are people using VM Fusion 3.1 with Lyon and Windows 7? > > I got to a point in the installation where it says VM Tools were not installed and I should go to the VM machine menu and then VM tools. first when I went there it said cancel VM tools so I assumed it was installing and left it alone. Nothing changed but when I went back to the menu it now said update VM tools. I pressed that and it offered me the chance to install a install exe file. I went ahead and pressed it. > I really don't know what to do next. For all I know everything could be working correctly and I just don't know how to enter the windows environment. I did the instal from Bootcamp hoping it would come up talking. I have entered my serial number for VM fusion but have not been asked yet for my windows key. > > I'd love some tips. I'm in a screen that has vm file Edit VM machine and such in the apple menu. on the screen there are buttons that say things like connect hard drive. and connect sound card. > > Tips on my next step would be greatly appreciated! > > On Sep 4, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > >> Hi, you would need a windows screen reader, just like you would running windows on a pc. It's no more or less crash prone than a pc, it would allow you to run microsoft products if you needed to. >> On Sep 4, 2011, at 6:01 AM, Kirsten Edmondson wrote: >> >>> Hi, I'm still pondering getting a Mac. I understa
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Hi Eric, Don't worry about the version of fusion. You can update any time by going into the menu bar, vo m, then one vo right arrow to the fusion menu, then vo down to check for updates. That should give you the latest and lion compatible version. I'm running it just fine. Regarding the vmware tools, it will say not installed as long as the tools are really not installed. It will say update vmware tools as soon as the tools have ben successfully installed, but once installed there's nothing to update. Your next question was how to get into the windows environment. If you are inside fusion, you can check if windows is currently running by going into the menu bar, vo m, then right to virtual machines, then down to windows is off, windows is running, windows is suspended. That's a status item and it is therefore always dimmed. Below it, in the same menu, you will find options to change the status. I.e., if windows is now suspended, you will find resume. If windows is running, you will find restart, shutdown suspend. If windows is off, you will find startup. Make sure windows is running, to begin with. Now, how to get into windows. First off, windows can be full screen, in which case you only see button button in the entire fusion window, or windows can be in a small, tiny window inside fusion. If windows is minimized this way, you will hear connect apple facetime hd camera, connect hard disk, network, sharing etc. If you encounter these controls in the fusion window, you know that windows is now in a very small portion of the screen, inside the fusion window with all its controls. To toggle these 2 states, minimized or full screen, use command control enter, and explore the window with voiceover so you familiarize yourself with the 2 states. Now make sure windows is minimized. With voiceover, find something that says progress bar. This item is not really a progress bar, but it is the tiny window that windows 7 runs in. Now that you set focus to this window, turn voiceover off, command f5, and enlarge windows from here. Control command enter. From now on, you're in the windows environment. Now, be ware that your command key by default is not your alt key, and that option is not windows logo. Instead, these are swapped. You can restore that behaviour if you want so ask if you want that. To start narrator as a test, hit win plus r to open the windows run dialog, type narrator and press enter. Narrator is a bad thing to use in windows 7, so install nvda jaws window eyes whatever, as soon as you can. Remember: win r is command plus r until you change it. Hth, and let us know your further questions. From within windows, shut it down using windows itself. You will return back into fusion, where you can turn on voiceover some 5 seconds after windows 7 shuts down, and then you can go ahead as usual. Paul. On Sep 4, 2011, at 8:28 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > Hi Mike and others, > > I just took the plunge and purchased VM Fusion. I would love some help > from some VM Fusion users. My first big concern is that I purchased VM > Fusion 3.1 and as I read the documentation it says nothing about Lyon. Are > people using VM Fusion 3.1 with Lyon and Windows 7? > > I got to a point in the installation where it says VM Tools were not > installed and I should go to the VM machine menu and then VM tools. first > when I went there it said cancel VM tools so I assumed it was installing and > left it alone. Nothing changed but when I went back to the menu it now said > update VM tools. I pressed that and it offered me the chance to install a > install exe file. I went ahead and pressed it. > I really don't know what to do next. For all I know everything could > be working correctly and I just don't know how to enter the windows > environment. I did the instal from Bootcamp hoping it would come up talking. > I have entered my serial number for VM fusion but have not been asked yet > for my windows key. > > I'd love some tips. I'm in a screen that has vm file Edit VM machine and > such in the apple menu. on the screen there are buttons that say things like > connect hard drive. and connect sound card. > > Tips on my next step would be greatly appreciated! > > On Sep 4, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > >> Hi, you would need a windows screen reader, just like you would running >> windows on a pc. It's no more or less crash prone than a pc, it would allow >> you to run microsoft products if you needed to. >> On Sep 4, 2011, at 6:01 AM, Kirsten Edmondson wrote: >> >>> Hi, I'm still pondering getting a Mac. I understand I could run windows on >>> the machine using vm fusion? So this would mean I could run ms products, >>> but would I still need a screen-reader like Jaws? Or would vo work with it? >>> Personally I find Windows very unstable, is it's quality through programs >>> like vm fusion or bootcamp good? Is it prone to issues? >>> Thanks.
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Hi Mike and others, I just took the plunge and purchased VM Fusion. I would love some help from some VM Fusion users. My first big concern is that I purchased VM Fusion 3.1 and as I read the documentation it says nothing about Lyon. Are people using VM Fusion 3.1 with Lyon and Windows 7? I got to a point in the installation where it says VM Tools were not installed and I should go to the VM machine menu and then VM tools. first when I went there it said cancel VM tools so I assumed it was installing and left it alone. Nothing changed but when I went back to the menu it now said update VM tools. I pressed that and it offered me the chance to install a install exe file. I went ahead and pressed it. I really don't know what to do next. For all I know everything could be working correctly and I just don't know how to enter the windows environment. I did the instal from Bootcamp hoping it would come up talking. I have entered my serial number for VM fusion but have not been asked yet for my windows key. I'd love some tips. I'm in a screen that has vm file Edit VM machine and such in the apple menu. on the screen there are buttons that say things like connect hard drive. and connect sound card. Tips on my next step would be greatly appreciated! On Sep 4, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > Hi, you would need a windows screen reader, just like you would running > windows on a pc. It's no more or less crash prone than a pc, it would allow > you to run microsoft products if you needed to. > On Sep 4, 2011, at 6:01 AM, Kirsten Edmondson wrote: > >> Hi, I'm still pondering getting a Mac. I understand I could run windows on >> the machine using vm fusion? So this would mean I could run ms products, but >> would I still need a screen-reader like Jaws? Or would vo work with it? >> Personally I find Windows very unstable, is it's quality through programs >> like vm fusion or bootcamp good? Is it prone to issues? >> Thanks. >> Kirsten. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Hi, you would need a windows screen reader, just like you would running windows on a pc. It's no more or less crash prone than a pc, it would allow you to run microsoft products if you needed to. On Sep 4, 2011, at 6:01 AM, Kirsten Edmondson wrote: > Hi, I'm still pondering getting a Mac. I understand I could run windows on > the machine using vm fusion? So this would mean I could run ms products, but > would I still need a screen-reader like Jaws? Or would vo work with it? > Personally I find Windows very unstable, is it's quality through programs > like vm fusion or bootcamp good? Is it prone to issues? > Thanks. > Kirsten. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Hi Kirsten, Yes it is possible to run windows, xp vista 7 etc, on your mac. Why not stop pondering and get it, smile. It is worth it. Now your questions. You will indeed need a screen reader like jaws inside windows. You first boot up your mac into os10. Then, you have voiceover support. With it, you start the vmware fusion program. Fusion will emulate a pc, thus windows will think there's nothing special to the hardware it runs on. But in fact, fusion is the layer that isolates windows from the mac. Windows and os10 are 2 very different operating systems, and fusion makes them work together for you. Once fusion is running, you tell fusion to load windows inside fusion. Once windows is running, the mac side doesn't really count any longer. Of course you can use mac stuff from within fusion, but that is only decoration to fusion. Once windows is up, it can take input via the keyboard on the mac, and give output on the speakers and on the mac screen. But to windows, it looks as if it is running on a real pc. To voiceover, if you look at windows from within fusion, then windows looks like an image only. So, to read the windows screen, you will need windows software. Voiceover can't read the windows screen. Depending on what software you use inside windows, and on the hardware you use, how stable the drivers for the hardware are, and a number of other factors, windows may feel unstable. But on the mac, fusion gives you the drivers you need for most components on the mac. These drivers are very stable. The stability of windows on the mac is good. In fact, windows on my mac is my best windows experience out of most machines I have worked with. Lastly, yes there are issues with windows, but these are windows issues. The things you can encounter on windows, can also happen on the mac under fusion. There are a few beginners issues though, if you're just starting to use fusion. For example, your alt and windows keys are initially swapped and you can put them back to normal if you wish, or live with them. Also, you have no insert key, and you must either tell fusion to give you one, or tell windows to remap a key to insert. This is especially important for screen readers like NVDA and jaws. If you furthermore leave the fusion key mappings at their defaults, then some windows keystrokes can do unexpected things to your experience. For example, pressing alt plus h to open the help menu under windows, if not taken care of, will be interpreted as a mac keystroke: command plus h, which will hide fusion from you. You will then be left without speech, you need to turn on voiceover, get back to fusion, turn voiceover off and get back into windows. This goes for other keystrokes as well, but they can all be customized in one place inside fusion. To summarize: fusion is a very nice way of switching, as long as you are aware of some beginner issues with fusion itself. Of course, we at the list are here and if you have questions, just mail them. As with many new things, fusion takes a bit of willingness to learn. But it is a mac experience. Windows will run smoothly. Hth, Paul. On Sep 4, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Kirsten Edmondson wrote: > Hi, I'm still pondering getting a Mac. I understand I could run windows on > the machine using vm fusion? So this would mean I could run ms products, but > would I still need a screen-reader like Jaws? Or would vo work with it? > Personally I find Windows very unstable, is it's quality through programs > like vm fusion or bootcamp good? Is it prone to issues? > Thanks. > Kirsten. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
