RE: VIRGIL: Remember me? (totally irrelevant joke)
Well I don't know if the joke about Madonna really answered the question. The Classical heroine explanation is OK, but I think that the answer is "Yes" there is a Pop star singer that calls herself Dido. and part of the song was posted in an e-mail reflecting whether the pop singer is being inspired by the history of Aeneas and Dido. I don't think you are ignorant, the simple fact of ask questions lifts you up from such loathsome stage. Don't ever stop asking questions.This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail
Re: VIRGIL: Remember me?
Yes there is, and is quite good. sometimes you can even find some of her Cd's at Wal-Mart. By the way that was not an ignorant question. In fact I don't believe that there is such notion than somebody is ignorant just because he/she ask questions.This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail
Re: VIRGIL: Remember me?
The reference by the living Dido to ships and oceans does suggest an allusion to the Dido of old. You could hardly expect reference to a sword left behind, or to some modern deadly weapon, since that would suggest to a modern ear that the lover is a criminal or at least enjoys the paraphernalia of criminal life. But he has slipped away, not left after a searing exchange of words. - Martin On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Alvaro Galvez wrote: > Yes there is, and is quite good. sometimes you can even find some of her Cd's at > Wal-Mart. By the way that was not an ignorant question. In fact I don't believe that > there is such notion than somebody is ignorant just because he/she ask questions. > > > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be > privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive > this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If > you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of > the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message > immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After > replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting > this error is appreciated. > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: Remember me?
I guess that old Nahum is famous for taking the sting out of dramatic situations, as with his re-write of King Lear. V's Dido arranges that from the time of the encounter in the other world A and his descendants will remember her with terrible guilt and foreboding, to be renewed rather than dispelled on the occasion of the fall of Carthage by Sc.Aemilianus' famous citation of Homer, linking the event with the historic fall of Troy and with fear for the future of Rome. - Martin Hughes On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, Simon Cauchi wrote: > >Does Virgil actually put any such words into Dido's mouth (I tried to find > >such and failed)? > > No. It was Nahum Tate, who wrote the libretto for Purcell's _Dido and Aeneas_. > > Simon Cauchi > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > --- > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You > can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub > --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: Remember me?
If there is a relationship, wouldn't you think that Dido (current) would try to keep loyalty to the true meaning, otherwise nobody would have the remote idea of connecting her name with her lyrics, and make sense. By the way I still don't know for sure what was the truth behind choosing Dido as a artistic name. AlvaroThis e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail
Re: VIRGIL: Remember me?
Simply to add an information to a discussion that is turning far away from Virgil's temes, I have found on the web that Dido is her real name, but her father was a litterary agent and her mother was very interesting in poems and she also wrote many of them. Therefor i think trying to find V's temes in her songs would be completely useless and probavly wrong. She could simply know who Dido is and she probably doesn't take care of it. >-- Messaggio originale -- >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:29:29 -0800 (PST) >From: Alvaro Galvez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Remember me? >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >If there is a relationship, wouldn't you think that Dido (current) would >try to keep loyalty to the true meaning, otherwise nobody would have the >remote idea of connecting her name with her lyrics, and make sense. > >By the way I still don't know for sure what was the truth behind choosing >Dido as a artistic name. > >Alvaro > > > >This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may >be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you >receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it >in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, >distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please >reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message >was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. >Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. > > >- >Do you Yahoo!? >Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail Stefano Vitrano C.E.I. school, Palermo, Italy [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
RE: VIRGIL: Remember me?
I am sorry to be so ignorant: are you saying that there is a current singing star named Dido? Denise There is. You can read about her here: http://bahcecikdevekusu.com/dido/bio.htm Dido does not seem to be a name commonly chosen, at least in the English-speaking world, and I wondered if it was a stage name. It seems however it was the name she was given and I suspect it was a reference to classical Dido. Here in England she seems to be quite often mentioned on radio and TV and my ears prick up every time I hear her name because I am currently reading about Dido in the Aeneid. I suspect she is very conscious of Virgil's work - I would be if I were called Dido - and I wondered if it was reflected in any of her songs (I have to confess I wouldn't recognise any of them if I heard them, but I am not exactly the right age group). Patrick Roper
RE: VIRGIL: Remember me? (totally irrelevant joke)
Reminds me of a true story told by a barrister friend of mine. In the
course of a case involving Madonna she had to ask (for the purposes of the
record) 'And who is Madonna?' Whereupon the judge said 'Could it be noted in the
record that I did not ask that question.'
(Denise: Madonna is a pop star, Dido is a classical heroine, and you have
made my day; thank you).
Colin Burrow, Senior Lecturer in English and Fellow, Gonville
and Caius College, Cambridge CB2 1TATel. 01223-332483email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]web: http://www.english.cam.ac.uk/faculty/cburrow/
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Re: VIRGIL: Remember me?
I am sorry to be so ignorant: are you saying that there is a current
singing star named Dido? Denise
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>I wonder if there is a reflection of the Aeneid in
one of pop star Dido's>recent songs:>>My Lover's
Gone>>My lover's gone, his boots no longer by my
door,>He left at dawn, and as I slept I felt him
go>Returns no more, I will not watch the ocean,>My lover's
gone, no earthly ships will ever bring him home again.>>My
lover's gone, I know that kiss will be my last,>No more his song,
the tune upon his lips has passed>I sing alone, while I watch the
ocean ...Sounds more like Ariadne to me than Dido. And I'm
thinking here more ofMonteverdi's Lamento d'Arianna than Ovid, but
even that parallel is notexactly close.Simon
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Re: VIRGIL: Remember me?
I am sorry to be so ignorant: are you saying that there is a current singing star named Dido? Denise - Original Message - From: Simon Cauchi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: RE: VIRGIL: Remember me? >I wonder if there is a reflection of the Aeneid in one of pop star Dido's>recent songs:>>My Lover's Gone>>My lover's gone, his boots no longer by my door,>He left at dawn, and as I slept I felt him go>Returns no more, I will not watch the ocean,>My lover's gone, no earthly ships will ever bring him home again.>>My lover's gone, I know that kiss will be my last,>No more his song, the tune upon his lips has passed>I sing alone, while I watch the ocean ...Sounds more like Ariadne to me than Dido. And I'm thinking here more ofMonteverdi's Lamento d'Arianna than Ovid, but even that parallel is notexactly close.Simon Cauchi<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>---To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply.Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message"unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). Youcan also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
RE: VIRGIL: Remember me?
>I wonder if there is a reflection of the Aeneid in one of pop star Dido's >recent songs: > >My Lover's Gone > >My lover's gone, his boots no longer by my door, >He left at dawn, and as I slept I felt him go >Returns no more, I will not watch the ocean, >My lover's gone, no earthly ships will ever bring him home again. > >My lover's gone, I know that kiss will be my last, >No more his song, the tune upon his lips has passed >I sing alone, while I watch the ocean ... Sounds more like Ariadne to me than Dido. And I'm thinking here more of Monteverdi's Lamento d'Arianna than Ovid, but even that parallel is not exactly close. Simon Cauchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
RE: VIRGIL: Remember me?
I wonder if there is a reflection of the Aeneid in one of pop star Dido's recent songs: My Lover's Gone My lover's gone, his boots no longer by my door, He left at dawn, and as I slept I felt him go Returns no more, I will not watch the ocean, My lover's gone, no earthly ships will ever bring him home again. My lover's gone, I know that kiss will be my last, No more his song, the tune upon his lips has passed I sing alone, while I watch the ocean ... She was born Dido Armstrong and her father was a literary agent. Patrick Roper --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: Remember me?
Just a side note, Dido does not say 'remember me' but she says she wishes she had Aeneas' child so she could remember the father (IV 327-330, esp. si quis mihi parvulus aula luderet Aeneas, qui te tamen ore referret. - Original Message - From: Leofranc Holford-Strevens To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:08 PM Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Remember me? In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Patrick Roper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes>In regard to the current discussion on teaching the Aeneid in translation,>an _expression_ that seems to have become embedded in the English-speaking>psyche since the time of Purcell's Dido & Aeneas (and maybe before) is>"remember me" as a special request. Does Virgil actually put any such words>into Dido's mouth (I tried to find such and failed)?No, nothing so resigned: a good round curse, other revenge having been contemplated (4. 563-4) but not executed (4. 600-6). It is Aeneas who says he will not be sorry [i.e. be very happy] to remember her (4. 335).Leofranc Holford-Strevens-- *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*Leofranc Holford-Strevens67 St Bernard's Road usque adeoneOxford scire MEVM nihil est, nisi ME scire hoc sciat alter?OX2 6EJtel. +44 (0)1865 552808(home)/353865(work) fax +44 (0)1865 512237email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home)/[EMAIL PROTECTED] (work)*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*---To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply.Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message"unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). Youcan also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: Remember me?
>Does Virgil actually put any such words into Dido's mouth (I tried to find >such and failed)? No. It was Nahum Tate, who wrote the libretto for Purcell's _Dido and Aeneas_. Simon Cauchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Patrick Roper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes In regard to the current discussion on teaching the Aeneid in translation, an expression that seems to have become embedded in the English-speaking psyche since the time of Purcell's Dido & Aeneas (and maybe before) is "remember me" as a special request. Does Virgil actually put any such words into Dido's mouth (I tried to find such and failed)? No, nothing so resigned: a good round curse, other revenge having been contemplated (4. 563-4) but not executed (4. 600-6). It is Aeneas who says he will not be sorry [i.e. be very happy] to remember her (4. 335). Leofranc Holford-Strevens -- *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Leofranc Holford-Strevens 67 St Bernard's Road usque adeone Oxford scire MEVM nihil est, nisi ME scire hoc sciat alter? OX2 6EJ tel. +44 (0)1865 552808(home)/353865(work) fax +44 (0)1865 512237 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home)/[EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
VIRGIL: Remember me?
In regard to the current discussion on teaching the Aeneid in translation, an expression that seems to have become embedded in the English-speaking psyche since the time of Purcell's Dido & Aeneas (and maybe before) is "remember me" as a special request. Does Virgil actually put any such words into Dido's mouth (I tried to find such and failed)? Patrick Roper --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
