RE: MD: MP3 - MD and VMM of Voquette etc

1999-11-28 Thread richard_f


Hey Ray,

Re:  somehow it removed the ATRAC compression built into the recorder, and stored raw 
MP3. 

Well.. no they record it via the sound card (so you loss twice: MP3 in case of MP3 
file and the ATRAC)
but for my ear (which is not the best in town it's OK - specially since I listen to 
music while I commute so for me it's similar if not better than FM quality. which is 
fine - you know car and cluttered background noises)
I wonder what do you think about listening to MP3 via your PC speakers (the experience 
I have with Voquette's recording onto an MD is quite similar).

Re: From a marketing point of view MP3 will be superb - solid state recorder, cheaply 
produced, but expectation high so folk will pay for it, download small files over 
whatever, instead of storing bulky Cd's. 

Yes I think marketing it is good (but time will tell). However I still download 
smaller files using MP3 and I like the MD format for traveling.
 
Re: It needs some copy protection:

I have not looked into it yet - I will update you (do you have any info regarding this 
issue?)

Re: In the limited experiments I've performed, I personally am not too impressed with 
MP3 as regards sound quality, but then, I am not the rest of the world. I have found 
that a 22 Mb wav sound file will at 128kbs compression come down to 2 Mb in MP3, but 
the sound degrading is noticeable.

I agree - but again, for me to listen to FM quality while I am on the go is more than 
fine.

Re: for speech when you want the content and not the quality - e.g. technical 
briefings, etc. then that is fine. 

Again I agree and for me: This is a Killer App. > it save me time and it gives me a 
the opportunity to listen to programs that otherwise I could not allow myself to 
listen. (I tuned it once and I get it every day. I wonder how long I will use it :-) 
.. I am using it now for more than a week .. and enjoy it - and frankly this was the 
real reason I wrote to the group (not because of music, although as I mentioned music 
is also OK). I enjoy the fact that my PC wakes up every morning at 6:00AM connect to 
the Internet and record for me Cnet Radio onto my MD and disconnect from the Internet 
- that's cool!

Re: I've been looking at the real-audio stuff, also, but not studied it at all. They 
seem to say they have the same compression rates as MP3, but better quality (according 
to them).

They provide it with their RealJukeBox - I have not compared qualities - but again for 
me it sound good.

Re Atrac compression is at about 5 to 1, and its perceived quality is very good,for 
most music. In fact I have heard that the recording of classical type music is better 
than for raw CD, but it is not so good for more modern music with fast
moving dynamic range changes. 

ATRAC as others use psychoacoustics algorithms to compress the audio. and with any 
loss compression you have to losses the question is where.

Re: It would be nice to be able to store raw data on to standard md devices - e.g. 
jpegs, spreadsheets, etc., but I believe the devices are not built well enough to cope 
with this. If a few bits of a music track are missing, then that can be compensated 
for in the decompression algorithm, and I suspect this happens a lot in normal use. 
For data, however, the overheads would be higher, this is
probably why the digital md stuff is more expensive - it has to be engineered 
differently.

There is Data MD - not a big success yet. lets see what will be with the new Sony 
digital camera that uses MD.

Re ATRAC and Data MD 

That's not the way to go - they should provide a direct access to the data and not via 
the ATRAC compression - as they do with digital camera

Re: Sorry if this rambled on a bit, just thought Voquette were offering something more 
than they were.

For me (and again this is my personal take): they did a great job! specially by 
providing me a real application that I use on a daily basis (listen to my customized 
WEB audio programs, rather than listening to music only or small talk on the radio - 
for free).
Re Music I think that the ease of use of the Voquette VMM, of selecting the MP3 files 
from the WEB and the fact that I can download and record it onto my MD over night 
(when there is no net congestions) and I don't have to sit and wait for it is great 
and its in one easy to use application. (I agree that I would prefer an all digital 
recording, but even now the quality is good)

Re: what tech. info. is it you download?
I saw their "take a tour" at www.voquette.com > click "take a tour" its not very 
technical but this is what they currently have there.
thy have some information in the products section.
(Thanks to you I have just found that they support also a simple tape recorder > 
connect it to the PC and get the same. I will check it and I will update you on this 
as well. but it sound interesting since I don't have a MD player in my car and I use a 
cassette adapter to play it through my stereo and this can solve me this issu

MD: MiniDisc Weekly News for 28 November 1999

1999-11-28 Thread MiniDisc Community Pages Weekly News


MiniDisc Community Pages News for 22 November 1999

 o Thomas James and Darrin report that [1]Minidisc-Canada is now 
   online, supplying portables, blanks and accessories to the North 
   American market.

  [1] http://www.minidisc-canada.com


 o Spencer Pablo has some [2]snapshots from Comdex that include MD 
   offerings from Sony and Sharp.

  [2] http://members.access1.net/sppablo/38_act.htm


 o Jason Livingston points out Leon Kuo's favorable [3]Panasonic 
   SJ-MJ75 review.

  [3] http://wayweary.tripod.com/discarray/75/index.html


 o Daryl Fletcher notes that [4]Borders Books sells MDs online. 

  [4] http://www.borders.com


MiniDisc Community Pages News for 23 November 1999

 o Mike Ward contributes an interesting article about [1]MiniDisc use 
   in radio news reporting.

  [1] http://www.minidisc.org/radio-news-minidisc.htm


MiniDisc Community Pages News for 25 November 1999

 o Peter Ravn notes a German page for the [1]Sanyo MDG-P3 player.

  [1] http://www.sanyo.de/produktinfo/Portables/Portables-MDG-P3.htm


MiniDisc Community Pages News for 26 November 1999

 o David Cohen describes his success using [1]MiniDisc for theatre 
   special effects.

  [1] http://www.minidisc.org/drama_use.html


 o Heber Acquafreda has a [2]freeware program for making song 
   compilations and optimizing media usage.

  [2] http://members.xoom.com/hacqua/eng/recwise.html


 o MD-like video: Ary Marcoschamer points out Pioneer's announcement of 
   [3]the first home DVD recorder, bringing MD-like editing features to 
   video recordings. (Does it have an audio-only mode?). 

  [3] http://www.pioneer.co.jp/press/release63.html


MiniDisc Community Pages News for 27 November 1999

 o Kenneth Barsocchini points out Sony USA's [1]MD Discam page.

  [1] http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/mddiscam/flash/index.html


 o Steven Winters suggests [2]using MiniDisc to record videogame 
   sounds.

  [2] http://www.minidisc.org/videogame_recording.html


 o Steffen Hung has freshened up his [3]MiniDisc Switzerland site.

  [3] http://www.minidisc.ch


 o Michael Petnuch offers a [4]review of Hyperjack, a Japanese MD 
   retailer.

  [4] http://minidiscworld.homepage.com/hyperjac.htm


 o [5]Hammond Music Entertainment in Australia sells pre-recorded MDs. 

  [5] http://www.music-entertainment.com.au/catalogue.htm



Q: Isn't it true, Mr. President, that you purchase all your MiniDisc
gear from Minidisco.com?
A: No comment.
 http://www.minidisco.com/
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MD: scms

1999-11-28 Thread brent harding


What is the idea of this scms thing? I'm thinking about getting an md
recorder, and want maximum time possible to record long shows, does that
just mean if I use the digital inputs as sources, I can't copy the disc?
Why would you need this, maybe the analog is better because you can copy
it. What if you have a mixture on the same disc? Do md recorders let you
copy discs onto each other?
What is this feature I hear about called test mode for anyways?




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Re: MD: different portable recorders

1999-11-28 Thread J. Coon


AFAIK, the only differences are the battery life and the Sharp ATRAC bug
that shows up when you record a certain sequence of notes on a solo
French horn.  So, if you aren't recording a solo French horn, you should
be all set.  

Michael Hooker wrote:
> 
> hi,
> other than ATRAC versions, is there any difference in sound quality of
> recordings made on different brands of portables? i have a sony mz-r30 that
> i have used with great success. i bought a sharp mt-15 portable recorder as
> a spare, 179.99 from damark. i want to give it a go, due to its smaller
> size and ability to adjust recording levels on the fly. i dont want to make
> an inferior recording though. any experiences, good and bad,  with the
> mt-15 that you can share are greatly appreciated.
> 
> thanks,
> Mike Hooker
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Re: MD: Quality of Digital Out on CDROM

1999-11-28 Thread Stainless Steel Rat


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| Actually, someone (I believe it was Graham Baker) reported having a
| CD-ROM drive that only put out 14 bit words (apparently right shifting
| every sample).

Ummm... that's really, really brain-damaged.  Is that even in spec for
CD-Audio?
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Re: MD: Quality of Digital Out on CDROM

1999-11-28 Thread Stainless Steel Rat


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* "Magic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  on Sun, 28 Nov 1999
| Not quite true, Rat. The digital output is not always 100% identical. If
| you rip the data from a CD at a higher speed rather than play the CD, the
| error correction method becomes less reliable and the data is subject to
| more corruption.

Ripped data does not go down the digigal audio link, and audio playback is
so "slow" that the disc would need to be seriously damaged for error
correction to begin to fail.  The el-cheapo Goldstar drive should be no
better or worse than a Plextor for making digital copies to MD.

Ripping is, as you say, another matter.
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Re: MD: Quality of Digital Out on CDROM

1999-11-28 Thread Jason K. Fritcher


On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Magic wrote:
> Plextor drives are the best because they have the most reliable drive
> mechanisms and they are very good at coping with imperfect CDs.

I couldn't agree more with this. I have a 40x Plextor that can rip digital
audio at 24x with absolutely no errors. It was even able to rip a cd at 8x
that a normal cd player couldn't play at 1x. Best drives I've ever seen.
Well worth the premium price.

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Re: MD: Quality of Digital Out on CDROM

1999-11-28 Thread Magic


From: Stainless Steel Rat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: MD-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: MD: Quality of Digital Out on CDROM


> Nope.  What comes out of the optical jack on one unit is 100% identical to
> what comes out of the optical jack on another.  That is the entire point
of
> digital interlink: no signal loss or corruption.

Not quite true, Rat. The digital output is not always 100% identical. If you
rip the data from a CD at a higher speed rather than play the CD, the error
correction method becomes less reliable and the data is subject to more
corruption. This can sometimes manifest itself as clicks of skipping sounds
in the ripped data. Similarly for audio CD players, the unit can sometimes
encounter flaws in the disc surface which may result in corrupted data being
output. Some CD players are better at reading scratched discs than others
and therefore produce a better output from the optical connection.

> The only reason to buy a new CD-ROM mechanism is because you feel the one
> you have now is too slow reading data.

Or is having problems with surface scratches, dirt etc. Plextor drives are
the best because they have the most reliable drive mechanisms and they are
very good at coping with imperfect CDs.

Magic
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MD: MinidiscNow

1999-11-28 Thread jerry


Minidisco has always been good and reliable, but MinidiscNow has certain
items I cannot find elsewhere, like this little Sony L-R Mic. I had my
doubts, but perhaps this is a new era for them & we should give them a
chance again. Like I said, they were really concerned and attentive to my
problem, and I got my replacement mic(plus a free MD) pronto. Jerry


From: "Mark I. Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: MD: MinidiscNow

Wow! You must be like, their first happy customer or something.  Reading the
MD Forums, they are the most hated MD retailer of all time by the looks of
it...
I would recommend minidisco.com as they were super fast and had all kinds of
good stuff  ;)
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Re: MD: MDM-X4 home studio

1999-11-28 Thread Kade Hansson


At 07:30 AM 11/28/99 EST, BH wrote:
>I have a technical problem with my Sony Minidisc MDM-X4 home studio.  At 
>first I thought it was a disc defect, but now it has happened with two 
>different discs.  The failure mode is as follows- when I execute a command 
>(in the most recent case- when I try to delete a song), the "undo" light 
>blinks green and "delete (song number)-OK" blinks continuously on the 
>display.  Normally the Song Erase command takes only seconds to execute-
with 
>this defect, the blinking goes on for minutes, and the only way I can stop
it 
>is by shutting the unit's power off, and the song is not erased.

I know nothing about this deck, but in case you have missed the obvious,
"Delete (song number)-OK" is probably the unit asking you to confirm your
delete operation. Not sure how you'd do that though. Read the manual?

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MD: md-l-digest V2 #438 - Automatic Reply

1999-11-28 Thread Mark Holmes


I'm on leave until 2 Jan.  Please contact Ade Morris (AMORR x3553) for PAFS problems 
or Jeffrey Bowman/Jason Hiscocks (JBOWM x4394, JHISC x4320) for CIMS.
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MD: MD Hardware Prices

1999-11-28 Thread DoctorWu51


The current Circuit City flyer has a Casio MD player with a 40 second memory 
for $99(US).

I was at a local discount store and saw a SONY JE-320 for $129.  The next one 
up(with the optical out)is $199.  Those seem like very good prices.

Both Circuit City & Best Buy are selling the combination CD/MD unit that is 
supposed to record CD to MD at 4X speed at $399.

Just looking for comments, if anyone has them.

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Re: MD: Quality of Digital Out on CDROM

1999-11-28 Thread Hannes Rohde


Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> | I just want to know if there is a difference of quality of
> | the digital out between different CDROMs, because my CDROM
> | is a 8X Goldstar (GCD-R580B) and perhaps it would be better
> | to buy a new one :)

> Nope.  What comes out of the optical jack on one unit is 100%
> identical to what comes out of the optical jack on another.

That would be in case of flawless reading. When the drive has
problems reading the disc, error correction has to be applied,
which probably alters the data. Some drives could have reading
problems where others still can read without error correction.

Also, many cheap drives do strange things in the subcode channel:
wrong SCMS bits, wrong indication of in/out of track, error flag
set all the time - that's what was reported in a magazine article
last year. Problems like those could also apply to the mentioned
Goldstar drive...

But unless there are severe problems (audible errors in the spdif
stream, not able to copy because of wrong subcode channel data)
with the drive, I would not buy a new drive just for this purpose...

Bye,
  Hannes

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RE: MD: new member. need technical infos

1999-11-28 Thread Martin Schiff


Jean-Luc,

Yes, you can connect a minidisc recorder's digital optical input to a PC
soundcard. A couple of the least expensive soundcards that have digital
optical input and output (Toslink) are from Hoontech (about $50 US)  and
Xitel (about $75 US). You can find out more about them at
http://www.hoontech.com and http://www.xitel.com.

I use the Hoontech Yamaha XG card and have been very happy with it.

-- Martin

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- is there any possibility to record minidisks via a PC, using the
digital (optical) input ?

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MD: questions about minidisc recorders

1999-11-28 Thread brent harding


Are there any minidisc recorders around that have multiple analog inputs?
This way I could hook my radio and computer up to an input and record from
either one when I want to without unhooking them. Also, are there some that
will start recording and stop at certain times, and turn the radio on and
off, so if I set it to a station and want to record something that's on
late, that it would do it?




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MD: Fwd: MZ-R90

1999-11-28 Thread Act444


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I'm sending this to the MD mailing list to see if I have any luck.

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MD: different portable recorders

1999-11-28 Thread Michael Hooker


hi,
other than ATRAC versions, is there any difference in sound quality of
recordings made on different brands of portables? i have a sony mz-r30 that
i have used with great success. i bought a sharp mt-15 portable recorder as
a spare, 179.99 from damark. i want to give it a go, due to its smaller
size and ability to adjust recording levels on the fly. i dont want to make
an inferior recording though. any experiences, good and bad,  with the
mt-15 that you can share are greatly appreciated. 

thanks,
Mike Hooker
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Re: MD: new member. need technical infos

1999-11-28 Thread Stainless Steel Rat


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Step 1: hie thee hence to the minidisc FAQ at minidisc.org.

* Jean-Luc LEBEC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  on Sun, 28 Nov 1999
| - is there any possibility to record minidisks via a PC, using the
| digital (optical) input ?

Yes.

| - does any pc interface (usb, parallel port, card or external module)
| exist to connect to the optical port of the minidisk recorder ?

Several.  There is at least one USB sound card out there with digital
(coaxial and optical) outputs.  Many high-end sound cards also have digital 
outputs.

| - is there a minidisk drive on the market, similar to cdrom drives, with
| IDE (ATA) or other digital interface ?

Yes, but you do not want it.  cf. the aforementioned FAQ.
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Re: MD: Quality of Digital Out on CDROM

1999-11-28 Thread Stainless Steel Rat


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* "Julien Blaise (E-coli)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  on Sat, 27 Nov 1999
| I just want to know if there is a difference of quality of the digital
| out between different CDROMs, because my CDROM is a 8X Goldstar
| (GCD-R580B) and perhaps it would be better to buy a new one :)

Nope.  What comes out of the optical jack on one unit is 100% identical to
what comes out of the optical jack on another.  That is the entire point of 
digital interlink: no signal loss or corruption.

The only reason to buy a new CD-ROM mechanism is because you feel the one
you have now is too slow reading data.
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MD: MDM-X4 home studio

1999-11-28 Thread BillHarrity


Can anyone out there help with this?  I'm new to this mailing list.

I have a technical problem with my Sony Minidisc MDM-X4 home studio.  At 
first I thought it was a disc defect, but now it has happened with two 
different discs.  The failure mode is as follows- when I execute a command 
(in the most recent case- when I try to delete a song), the "undo" light 
blinks green and "delete (song number)-OK" blinks continuously on the 
display.  Normally the Song Erase command takes only seconds to execute- with 
this defect, the blinking goes on for minutes, and the only way I can stop it 
is by shutting the unit's power off, and the song is not erased.

Can anybody help me understand if this is a common defect and if there is a 
consumer workaround or a hardware/software fix?  Thanks!

Bill Harrity
Louisville KY
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Re: MD: new member. need technical infos

1999-11-28 Thread Remko van der Vossen


>This is my first post to the list.
>I find some interest in minidisks, and have some technical questions  :

Well, let's see how far I can help ya out.

>- is there any possibility to record minidisks via a PC, using the
>digital (optical) input ?

If you've got a soundboard with a digital output, yeah sure.
Digital outputs come in a wide variaty on soundboards, some boards only 
have a small 2 pin jumper header from which a CMOS or TTL S/PDIF level 
comes. You'll need a converter to make it into a optical signal, if it's a 
TTL level you're in luck, the only thing you'll need to do is hook up a 
TOSLINK transmitter unit like the Toshiba TOX173, if it's CMOS you'll need 
a line driver to convert the CMOS into a TTL signal, just look around on 
the internet for a schematic, and let someone with some electronic 
knowledge build it. Then there's also the coaxial outputs, normally via a 
Cinch connecter, in fact this is nothing but a CMOS S/PDIF signal, so 
you'll need a converter with live driver for that. If you're one of the 
lucky bastards that's got a Sounblaster Live (I believe Platinum) with an 
optical output all you'll have to do is hook up your optical cable and your 
done. If you've got a deck which about always have a non-optical digital 
input you have to connect it to a coaxial output.

>- does any pc interface (usb, parallel port, card or external module)
>exist to connect to the optical port of the minidisk recorder ?

Not that I know of.

>- is there a minidisk drive on the market, similar to cdrom drives, with
>IDE (ATA) or other digital interface ?

There's talk of MD-Data, but that isn't quite a success yet.


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Re: MD: RE: MO technology and MD data usage

1999-11-28 Thread Remko van der Vossen


> > Due to a high error ratio of a minidisc (which isn't a problem for audio)
> > it is not as suitable for data as you'd think, which leads to  a lot of
> > redundancy, ie the disk will probably be much less than 140 Mb, more like
> > 100-120
>
>You are correct that extra error correction is required when using MD
>for computer data purposes. But MD Data 1 (e.g. Sony MDH-10) offers a
>140MB user data capacity. The capacity of MD Audio discs is over 160MB
>(292.5kbits/sec * 60sec/min * 75min / 8bits/byte == 164531kbytes --
>and this doesn't include the reserved space for MD-Clip images).

Hey, I didn't know that, thanks for the info. As the rest of the subject, I 
agree that things like writing MP3's to MD and all looks quite nice, but I 
really don't think MD Data will have any chance other than non-ATRAC audio 
storage like indeed MP3's WAV's and such. Titling would also be really nice.

My idea, don't make MD Data, supply MD-Decks/Portables with some sort of 
USB interface or something to do direct MP3 and WAV downloads and provide 
titling capabilities. And as far as normal datastorage pro your PC, just 
stick with Zip disks, and wait for anxiously for new technologies. And as 
far as other advantages of MD's go like less affected by magnetic fields, 
just buy a standard MO drive for your PC
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MD: new member. need technical infos

1999-11-28 Thread Jean-Luc LEBEC


Hi all,

This is my first post to the list.
I find some interest in minidisks, and have some technical questions  :

- is there any possibility to record minidisks via a PC, using the
digital (optical) input ? 
- does any pc interface (usb, parallel port, card or external module)
exist to connect to the optical port of the minidisk recorder ?
- is there a minidisk drive on the market, similar to cdrom drives, with
IDE (ATA) or other digital interface ?

Thanks in advance,
bye,

Jean-Luc

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