MD: Cheap MDs in Australia

[Rev Simon Rumble]

Just noticed Jaycar have blanks for $20 for 5.  Cheapest I've seen in this
country.

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Re: MD: Hi...

[Zr0e]

Honestly, I feel you'll be dissapointed with the MZ-R37 for all purposes BUT 
home recording and there are better machines that due similar that arent as 
dissapointing...

the 37 has a non-lit-up display...same as the 50 to the best of my knowledge? 
Not positive there, but honestly get somethign with a lit display and if 
possible 40Second shock memory otherwise stick to CDs...your right its not 
too popular here, yet, the price is high for what it is but if you noticed 
the prices are steadily going down for NOT AS SMALL but still small 
machines..all comparable to the MD-1 or whatever the hell that block of 
machinery was..

until next time. 

p.s. of the listed, i'd take the 70, as the 37 is poor and the sharps always 
seem to be dissapointing in comparsion to their sony counterparts.
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Re: MD: Hi...

[Matt Wall]

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check at http://www.t-station.com and http://www.minidisco.com for prices if
you decide on minidisc.  I've purchased lot's from minidisco and am very
very happy with them.  t-station has lots of good info and reviews about
different online retailers so check there too.


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Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 5:58 PM
Subject: MD: Hi...


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>Hi all, just joined this list after finding it at minidisc.org.   I'm an =
>18 year old considering purchasing a minidisc player but I have some =
>doubts...
>First I'll explain what I want to do:
>
>1.  Listen to music that I have in mp3s and CDs in a compact player
>2.  Use this player while running or travelling.
>
>As I see it, either a minidisc player/recorder  or one of the new mp3 =
>players (like the Rio) would let me do the above.  I'm not too concerned =
>with sound quality as long as I can't tell a big difference between the =
>two.  I'm not really interested in pre-recorded MDs.
>
>Here are my concerns with MD:
>1. Expensive
>2. May be a dying medium?
>  MD isn't very popular/common in the US and very few people seem to be =
>aware of it.  It hasn't been marketed much and there's the possibility =
>that newer things will replace it (like Mp3 players, CD-RW, and maybe =
>writable DVD).   I know you all will say that minidiscs are better but =
>if the format dies out or doesn't get greater support, it won't matter =
>how much you love it. =20
>I'm also worried that if the music industry cracks down, they may =
>somehow make it impossible to rip CDs or record mp3s (might take a few =
>years to happen but it might happen).
>
>I'm considering the following MD players/recorders:
>Sony MZ-R70 - $179 at eMall
>Sony MZ-R37 - $159 at eMall   (MSRP is $299!)
>Sharp MD-MS722 - $225 at freeshipping.com
>
>If I get an MD, I'd probably get the MZ-R37 but I'll listen to =
>opinions...
>I'm not sure if it's worth the cost though Give me opinions on =
>whether you think I should get an mp3 player or an MD...
>Sorry for the long message and all the questions but I'd love a quick =
>response (I'm anxious to get the MZ-R37 if I am getting it)  :)
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MD: Hi...

[agusus]

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Hi all, just joined this list after finding it at minidisc.org.   I'm an =
18 year old considering purchasing a minidisc player but I have some =
doubts...
First I'll explain what I want to do:

1.  Listen to music that I have in mp3s and CDs in a compact player
2.  Use this player while running or travelling.

As I see it, either a minidisc player/recorder  or one of the new mp3 =
players (like the Rio) would let me do the above.  I'm not too concerned =
with sound quality as long as I can't tell a big difference between the =
two.  I'm not really interested in pre-recorded MDs.

Here are my concerns with MD:
1. Expensive
2. May be a dying medium?
  MD isn't very popular/common in the US and very few people seem to be =
aware of it.  It hasn't been marketed much and there's the possibility =
that newer things will replace it (like Mp3 players, CD-RW, and maybe =
writable DVD).   I know you all will say that minidiscs are better but =
if the format dies out or doesn't get greater support, it won't matter =
how much you love it. =20
I'm also worried that if the music industry cracks down, they may =
somehow make it impossible to rip CDs or record mp3s (might take a few =
years to happen but it might happen).

I'm considering the following MD players/recorders:
Sony MZ-R70 - $179 at eMall
Sony MZ-R37 - $159 at eMall   (MSRP is $299!)
Sharp MD-MS722 - $225 at freeshipping.com

If I get an MD, I'd probably get the MZ-R37 but I'll listen to =
opinions...
I'm not sure if it's worth the cost though Give me opinions on =
whether you think I should get an mp3 player or an MD...
Sorry for the long message and all the questions but I'd love a quick =
response (I'm anxious to get the MZ-R37 if I am getting it)  :)


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Re: MD: Hi...

[Jeffrey Scorsone]

On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, agusus wrote:

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> Hi all, just joined this list after finding it at minidisc.org.   I'm an =
> 18 year old considering purchasing a minidisc player but I have some =
> doubts...
> First I'll explain what I want to do:
> 
> 1.  Listen to music that I have in mp3s and CDs in a compact player
> 2.  Use this player while running or travelling.
> 
> As I see it, either a minidisc player/recorder  or one of the new mp3 =
> players (like the Rio) would let me do the above.  I'm not too concerned =
> with sound quality as long as I can't tell a big difference between the =
> two.  I'm not really interested in pre-recorded MDs.

Most MD users don't go in for pre-recorded, its easier to make our
own compilations.  I bought one for the novelty of it.

As for your comment on sound quality, what do you consider a "big difference"?
on lousy speakers, I can't hear the difference between the worst sound source
and the best one.  But if you actually have a good pair of headphones/earbuds
then you will defintely notice a difference (at least in the mp3/MD or mp3/CD
realm.  MD vs. CD is still a considerable debate, I don't notice a difference
but some people swear they can hear it.

> 
> Here are my concerns with MD:
> 1. Expensive

in total cost of ownership and utilization, MD actually comes in 
much cheaper than mp3.  You have the initial investment in a player/recorder
and discs, (batteries, if you don't go rechargable)
cost of blank MDs compared to memory cards for an mp3 player, shows quite
clearly which format is less expensive :)

> 2. May be a dying medium?
don't count on it...
MD has been around since the early 90's and is still going.
The popularity hasn't caught on in the states until recently
and it's not "sweeping the nation" but look around you, especially
if you live in a larger city.  I see people all the time with MD units
espcially people that commute on the trains...

>   MD isn't very popular/common in the US and very few people seem to be =
> aware of it.  It hasn't been marketed much and there's the possibility =
> that newer things will replace it (like Mp3 players, CD-RW, and maybe =
> writable DVD).   I know you all will say that minidiscs are better but =
> if the format dies out or doesn't get greater support, it won't matter =
> how much you love it. =20

Well you originally said you wanted portable.  CD,CD-RW, and DVD are NOT
portable.  My definition of portable is something I can slip in my shirt
or pants pocket.  While there may be a trend to "oversized" clothing, do
you really want to stick a portable CD player that is going to constantly
skip in your pocket? (just not a good solution)

> I'm also worried that if the music industry cracks down, they may =
> somehow make it impossible to rip CDs or record mp3s (might take a few =
> years to happen but it might happen).

A. you can always record analog
B. SCMS exists to prevent multi-generation copies of digital music
   and that has been defeated.
C. If the industry "cracks down" that hard, there go your dreams of ANY
   digital, recordable format.  That would kill DVD-RAM,CDR,CD-RW,MD,MP3
   and anything else you want to dream up for the future. (I'm willing
   to bet, that won't happen)
> 
> I'm considering the following MD players/recorders:
> Sony MZ-R70 - $179 at eMall
> Sony MZ-R37 - $159 at eMall   (MSRP is $299!)
> Sharp MD-MS722 - $225 at freeshipping.com
> 
> If I get an MD, I'd probably get the MZ-R37 but I'll listen to =
> opinions...

the R70 is smaller and cheaper than the R37, so for portability
you may want to take a harder look at it.

> I'm not sure if it's worth the cost though Give me opinions on =
> whether you think I should get an mp3 player or an MD...
> Sorry for the long message and all the questions but I'd love a quick =
> response (I'm anxious to get the MZ-R37 if I am getting it)  :)
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Re: MD: Question: PC to MD Titling.

[Peter Wood]

Heya,

>http://my.nichols.de/meierth/MD70X.HTML
>Which has schematics (about as difficult as the Sony one), but doesn't offer
>trackmarking, Winamp plugin, etc (it's limited by what you can do from the
>remote after all).
Ahhh, on the 7XX the track split was done by the bass key on the
remote. I wrote a jukebox that used this I can release it if
anyone wants it.

Peter.
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Re: MD: CD/MP3/MD story

[Richard Malcolm-Smith]

Not to mention playing stuff with the pitch+speed set a couple of % up to
fit more add's in, and turning the start of every song into an add for the
station (Where there are no lyrics they talk)

Lucilly there are some stations that dont do all that shit.
http://www.95bfm.co.nz/

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From: Timothy P. Stockman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: MD: CD/MP3/MD story


>
> >It sounds like a radio and nothing like my cd's" this coming from a 15 =
> >year old female who IMO is not an audiophile at all
>
> As one who spent many years as an engineer at an US FM radio station, I
can
> say that radio stations work hard to sound bad!  FM radio inherently
sounds
> very much like a CD, but the typical station feeds the audio through
several
> thousand dollars worth of processing equipment to screw it up before it
gets
> to the transmitter.


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RE: MD: Car MD/CD combo ?

[Jason Aspinall]

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>(A quick
>aside: the FM
>tuning is lightning fast.  Station to station w/ no noticeable gap!)

That is true of the Sony MDXC670RDS.  The only thing that really peeved me
off of that particular unit is the ten fiddly buttons all the way across the
fascia... only select radio presets, or discs *if* a multichanger is
fitted...

Why on earth did Sony not think that people _might_ want to use them for
selecting the first ten tracks of a MD??  At least they could've put a menu
option in there as to it's function _should_ a multichanger be fitted.

rant over...

Great product though all the same :)

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Re: MD: Car MD/CD combo ?

[Austin Wallender]

on 4/26/00 12:07 PM, WZ at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Anyways, I'm deciding to go with a in-car MD/CD solution.

I just put it a Sony C7900/ Sony 626 CD Changer combo, and couldn't be
happier.  The disc swapping is a little slow (it annoyed the hell out of me
at first) but you get used to it.  It also keeps one in the chamber, so when
you start the car, your last CD starts up quickly.  The disc titling feature
is very handy as well, and it can remember 120 discs. (A quick aside: the FM
tuning is lightning fast.  Station to station w/ no noticeable gap!)

I bought mine at crutchfield, and the gave be 100 bucks off since I bought
them together... the deal may still be valid.  Also, they had it in stock.
I found MD head units tough to come by...
 had good prices as well.

And if you are a purist, Nakamichi jsut announced a new unit...
http://207.69.90.253/auto/minidisc/md_45z.htm

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MD: Titling errors?

[ExquisiteDeadGuy]

Has anyone ever encountered titling errors (either disc or track title) when 
playing MDs back on different players?

I was listening to one of my discs the other day on my Sharp portable and I 
noticed that the title was wrong. It was truncated and the letters were 
garbled! I popped the disc out, put it back in and it got the title right 
afterwards. Then I noticed at another time a track title was garbled, but was 
fixed when I started playing the track over! Weird. I've never had this 
happen on my Sony...

Has anyone else ever had this happen? I hope it's not a sign of something 
more serious looming!

(And on a slightly related note, I noticed that there was a spelling error on 
my Brit Awards pre-rec MD! Instead of saying the artist is "Cornershop", it 
says, "Cornership".)

Cheerio,

~Zach
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MD: CD/MP3/MD story

[Timothy P. Stockman]

>It sounds like a radio and nothing like my cd's" this coming from a 15 =
>year old female who IMO is not an audiophile at all

As one who spent many years as an engineer at an US FM radio station, I can
say that radio stations work hard to sound bad!  FM radio inherently sounds
very much like a CD, but the typical station feeds the audio through several
thousand dollars worth of processing equipment to screw it up before it gets
to the transmitter.

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RE: MD: the death of MP3

[Simon Gardner]

> There was an article in today's paper -
> http://www.digitalmass.com/columns/internet/0426.html
>
> Basically, MP3 compression is a patented item, and the patent holder
> wants money.  So folks are developing new 'free' standards that have
> a real good shot at replacing MP3s...  Now, as far as we are
> concerned...

This isn't that big a problem really (in the short to medium term). As MP3
is most significantly used for distribution of copyrighted works (long
winded version of "piracy" - a term I don't like), I don't think people will
be quick to change at all.

People who are totally legit, just ripping their own CDs, will pay for an
encoder (as they probably already do for a product like MusicMatch). People
ripping off artists will just not pay the fee by downloading a cracked
codec. What's changed?

There was a freeware program called MP3 Compressor back in 1997/98.
Frauenhoffer (rightly) had it stopped because it contained their "pro" - ie.
expensive - codec. People went on using it anyway and you can probably still
find a copy left forgotten in some webspace somewhere.

Same will happen here - the old free-ish encoders will still exist for ages,
not to mention the vast range of MP3-capable products already sold or being
developed (portable players and manufacturers adding the capacity to play
MP3s - Goodmans, Kenwood, Pioneer, etc.). I wonder how many will be flash
upgradeable to a new format?

Plus anyone wanting to securely distribute music (ie. the labels) will look
elsewhere - they don't care about encoder costs and would shy away from a
format that they don't have control over. With the current Napster case,
there's a lot of "if you'd offered this legitimately to the public before.."
kind of feeling towards the record companies. I don't see a market for it -
certainly not at the kind of prices they'd want to charge - but I reckon
some of them will offer it soon.

Let's face it - MP3 is now a standard for compressed, computer-based music.
There's been many alternatives over the last few years with greater
benefits, and none have got very far.

but anyway.. :-)

> Would the falling out of MP3 be good for MD?   A sign of stability?

I don't think the two are so related, or even rivalling one another that
much. When doing the MD sales pitch to friends, one of the big benefits I
point out is that you can record anything - stuff you can hear, you can
record. MD will always be a safer bet than the MP3 or  players, and I think Sony really needs to start advertising the
fact. Not so much stability as flexibilty.

> Is this an opportunity for Sony to get off their high horse and
> release ATRAC to the public for free - so MD and the computer crown
> could use the same compression scheme?

It'd be cool, but I really can't see it happening. Based on Sony's Music
Clip that's so annoyingly limited by SDMI, even if they did release an ATRAC
encoder it'd be too inflexible for most people.

> John McLachlan

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MD: Car MD/CD combo ?

[WZ]

Hi,
I've had my new car with the stock tape deck for more than 6 months and I
can't stand using my R50 with the tape adapter. Not only is it clumsy, the
sound is terrible!  I think the tape adapter levels is set too high for the
tape head, sounds like analog clipping!

Anyways, I'm deciding to go with a in-car MD/CD solution.  I've looked at
the few CD/MD combo units like the JVC MX3000, or the Panasonic and Alpine
units, and while they are ideal for my situation (flexibility, I don't
really need a changer), for the cost, I can get either a MD head with a CD
changer or a CD head with a MD changer.

I'm more inclined to go with a MD head with a CD changer given the fact
that CDs are so readily available here in Canada as opposed to MDs.
However, are there any CD changers that don't have that annoying 10sec disc
change delay ?  I would think that since most of these CD changers have
shock memory, that they could change to the next CD while the buffer is
being played out like the MD changers ?  If so, please let me know.
If such a thing doesn't exist, I'm more tempted to go with a CD head with a
MD changer.

Anyone know whose ATRAC the non-Sony units use ?  Also, which CD heads are
able to play CDRs properly ?

thx,
Wayne

p.s. Are the Sanyo MDR-4s all gone ?  What are the opinions of people who
purchased this ?

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MD: the death of MP3

[John S. McLachlan]

There was an article in today's paper - 
http://www.digitalmass.com/columns/internet/0426.html

Basically, MP3 compression is a patented item, and the patent holder 
wants money.  So folks are developing new 'free' standards that have 
a real good shot at replacing MP3s...  Now, as far as we are 
concerned...

Would the falling out of MP3 be good for MD?   A sign of stability?

Is this an opportunity for Sony to get off their high horse and 
release ATRAC to the public for free - so MD and the computer crown 
could use the same compression scheme?

discuss

:-)

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RE: MD: Question: PC to MD Titling.

[Simon Gardner]

> Thankyou!
>
> One more Question, mainly to simon as he seems to be clued in,
> but do u have
> any idea where I can find the 4 pin plug to attach to the end of
> my Bazginge
> Device??
>
> Thanx in advance.
> ~J~

I'm afraid not - I'll be using a plug/wire from my brother's E25 (unit was
stolen, remote wasn't). Chopping up a bit of stripboard should work (like
the Sharp titler), or try to find a (broken?) remote going cheap; many Sony
products from the last couple of years have the 4-pin plug. It shouldn't
matter which one you use as long as it's got 4 connected pins.

Sony will probably charge you a fortune for the part if you ask them :-)

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MD: Cheap power supply/charger for MD recorders

[J. Coon]

While I was in Germany, I found a good solution to the problem of
replacing a lost MD charger.  At Conrad Electronics, they had two power
supplies that were powered from a PC.  They are in the form of a PC card
and wil supply from three to 12 volts at 2.2A.  The voltages are
selectable by jumper in the following steps: 3v, 4.5v, 5v, 6v, 7.5v, 9v
and 12v.The one I bought has one voltage, a four plug X shaped
adapter, and cost DM 19.95 ($10 US).  Export Computer Accessories item
56912

  They had a more universal one with the same voltages available, plus a
separate 5 volt supply.  It had many more power connectors to choose
from and only cost DM 29.95 or about $15 US.  I would say that if you
need the plug for the recorder too, the more expensive one would be the
best choice.


They are made in China and I assume they are or will be available at
computer hobby stores and electronic stores in the States and the UK. It
looks like they were made to power speakers, or a scanner or printer.   

The one I have has three addresses on it:

Exponent Corpaporation,
Pine Brook,
New Jerseyu, USA 07058

 
Exponent
33028 Tolmezzo (UD) Italy


and 
http://www.exponentworld.com/expomic.htm

EXPONENT Microport

629 Beriault, Longueuil
Quebec, Canada, J4G 1Z1
Tel. (450) 646-2893
Customer Service 1-800-363-9932
Fax (450) 646-3613

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I don't know if it can be ordered direct or if htey can refer you to
some place that handles them.  



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Re: MD: Digital IN on CMI8330 based sound card.

[jonathan . ledbury]

 I have a CMI8330 based sound card with digital in and out. I have had 
 the digital out successfully interfaced to my SONY JE510 deck for some 
 time. I have recently bought a TORX optical receiver module and 
 interfaced this to the digital in. 
 
 The receiver appears to be working OK, but I don't get any input level 
 when trying to record on the computer. I have selected the CD Digital 
 In in the volume control panel in Win95.
 
 Anyone got any ideas. It looks as though the soundcard is not 
 selecting the digital in correctly.
 
 Cheers
 Jon

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MD: Cheap MD und MZ-R 70 in Germany

[J. Coon]

I just got back from the Czech Republic and Germany.  I didn't get a
chance to check MD prices in Czech Republic, but I did get some in
Germany.   In Munich, I saw MDs selling for about 3.00DM at Conrad.  In
Stutgart, at Lerche, I bought a pack of 5 FUJI MDs for 12.95DM ... That
is about $1.29 US each.  Media Markt had CD-R for 0.99DM  (about
$0.50US) 

Saturn was selling the Sony MZ-R 70 Minidisc recorder for 399DM  (about
($200 US)  40s antishock, LCD display, Fernbedienung in Kopfhorerkabel,
optischer Digital-Eingang, Line-in, 2 Kopfhorerbuchsen, bis zu 17 Std.
Wiedergabe, inkl. Netzteil, Akku und kopfhorer  The normal list price
was listed as DM 549


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