Re: MD: Speeding

[las]

PrinceGaz wrote:

> is there any disadvantage to
> burning at 6x (the discs I have are rated for up to 8x burning) rather
> than 4x?
> I'd rather not go back to 2x burning but would a slightly slower than
> max speed; 4x rather than 6x give better more readable discs and be
> worth the extra six or so minutes needed.
>

Not if you have a super fast system.  But trying to keep the flow going at
that rate can be difficult for most systems.  I'd make sure that I closed
down every other program when I was using it if I were you.

I really like the Plextor 12X drive.  They have their "burn proof"
technology that will go back and "wait" if necessary so that you don't get
any under runs.  That may slow things down a little, but at 12 times, on a
fast computer, it "spits" out the CDs.

Larry

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Re: MD: Tuner-less car MD players

[las]

Simon Mackay wrote:

> Hi everyone!
>
> Who remembers those cassette or 8-track tape players that were sold during
> the 60s and 70s, which were designed to be mounted under the dashboard of a
> car? A lot of these units didn't have a tuner and often played through a set
> of speakers that were often sold with the unit.

A friend of mine had her 8-track in her glove box.  In 1976 I bought a brand new
Buick Skylark and told them that I did not want it with a radio.  I was in to
Quadraphonic sound.

I ordered a Panasonic Quadraphonic 8-track receiver for my car and added
speakers.  I still remember riding around on this isolated section of the Air
Force Base that I was living on. There'd be fog and I'd either be listening to
"Dark Side of the Moon or "Wish You Were Here" (Dark Side of the Moon was on the
charts for years and years.  But I often thought that "Wish You Were Here" is as
good if not better).

Then my kids started to grow and that was the last time I ever saw any of P F's
stuff.  They say that Quad died because of a lack of the "WOW" factor.  When you
switch from mono to stereo, if it is done right, the resulting improvement gets
people to say "wow!".

But Quad didn't really do that.  The problem is that Quad was a fake sound.
Kind of like the old Beatles albums where the voices were coming from one
channel and the guitar the other.

Then someone started encoding movies in Dolby Surround and someone realized that
when the sound track was recorded on to a video cassette, the matrixed surround
was automatically carried over.  So they started to come out with surround sound
receivers and home theater was born.

I saw the movie Tommy (The Who) in a theater in NYC that was set up for
Quintophonic sound.  The dBs must have been over 120!!!  My wife and I could not
hear correctly for days after we left the movie.

Now Dolby Digital is 5 discrete channels plus provisions for the subwoofer (the
"1" in "5.1").

One other reason that quad didn't make it was that cassettes were starting to
really catch on.  But Phillips refused to allow any format that was not
backwards comparable with their original mono recorders.  Quad would have had to
be played in one direction using all four tracks.

> Then, during the 80s, some manufacturers supplied add-on car CD players that
> were designed around the same concept as these tape players -- no tuner and
> able to work with an existing OEM or aftermarket car stereo installation.

I added one to (once again a brand new-I used to work just to be able to make
car payments- (what an A hole I was) Surbaru Turbo XT Coupe.  It had a section
that I managed to fit into the dash and a "memory module" that was as big if not
bigger than the Din sized dash unit that I shoved under the front passenger
seat.

The two sections were joined with three separate cables!!  Big Fat Cables.  It
was a Pioneer unit and cost me about $300.  I was able to buy an automatic
switch from Pioneer that would either have use the outputs from the Clarion
receiver that came with the Subarus or the Amp that the CD player was connected
to.

I had to get the dealer to get me a copy of the wiring diagram.  It took me two
full days to get it all installed.

> Why can't manufacturers work on car MD players that are designed like these
> earlier add-on CD and tape players. If they removed the tuner, they can sell
> these units for a lower price than the standard radio-MD units thar are sold
> nowadays. With regards,
>

You can sort of do this by having a portable and a receiver that has an AUX
input.  That's what I use.  Because the the cost, lack of models and poor
reliability of the few MD car units that exist, I will not buy a car unit.

Have a great Monday,
Larry

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MD: Speeding

[PrinceGaz]

I've finally replaced my Creative Labs CD burner with a drive which
actually works, the Ricoh MP9060A which can burn CD-R at up to 6x.
My question is, assuming the PC can get the data to the drive quick
enough to avoid under-runs (which it can) is there any disadvantage to
burning at 6x (the discs I have are rated for up to 8x burning) rather
than 4x?
I'd rather not go back to 2x burning but would a slightly slower than
max speed; 4x rather than 6x give better more readable discs and be
worth the extra six or so minutes needed.

Yours,
PrinceGaz.


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RE: MD: sony car decks

[Tony Antoniou]

Not that I'm familiar with the letter you mention, but I've had my MDX-C8900
now for almost 3 years and it has been an absolute dream. My only problem
was a slightly dirty lens which would result in some of my MD's being spat
back out with "Error" after trying to read it for a while. This happened
with almost every single Sony blank MD I've ever recorded on, and only a
couple TDK's. So suffice to say, TDK make a better MD, IMHO.

But back to the deck, after a little manual clean-up (I pulled the deck out
and apart for a good clean after 2 years), things were back to normal, and
the deck does get at least 2hrs a day playing if not longer.

My point with Sony's products is simple ... as with any brand, if you pay
bottom dollar for a bottom-mid ranged unit, that's exactly what you'll get.
You really need to spend good to get good out of Sony. That's why I've
always aimed for at least one higher than mid-range, if not the top of the
range, models.


Adios,
LarZ

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ok, well then next question people.  Looking for a car md deck, which one
should i really look into.  looks like most sony decks are having probs.
should i look into pioneer premiere md decks? eclipse? or someone else?  or
does the sony minidisc changer not get the errors.  any help with these
questions would be greatly appreciated.

thank
matt



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Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: MD: sony car decks


>
> Matt Wall wrote:
> >
> > howdy all, recently on minidisc.org there was a letter to sony with =
> > concerns about sony's md car decks.  currently i am looking into putting
=
> > an 800r into one of my cars and was curious if others had the same =
> > problems as stated in the letters or if they had good luck with thier =
> > units.  any input would be great.  thanks.
>
> Yes, I have had the same problems.
> I have owned:
> MDX-U1
> MDX-C150 (two of them)
> MDX-400
> MDX-C7900 (still own)
> MDX-65 (still own)
>
> All but the C7900 and MDX-65 has had problems reading recordable MD's,
> but no trouble with prerecorded ones.  The problem is the optical block
> wears out.  I managed to tweak the adjustments in the U1 and the C150's
> to read recordable discs and then sold them while they worked.  The
> MDX-400 was beyond tweaking, it needed a new optical block.  After a
> month, it stopped reading recordable discs and I sent it in for
> adjustment under repair warranty.  Then I quickly sold it since it had
> been a very unreliable unit having problems other than that (constant
> "PLEASE PRESS RESET" message).  The C7900 hasn't had any problems
> reading any MD's, but it has developed a problem in where sometimes an
> MD won't be accepted and gets stuck.  Then I have to use something to
> push it all the way in.  The MDX-65 so far has been trouble-free.
>
> These problems are NOT specific to car units though, I have had an
> MZ-E3, MZ-R2, and two MDS-501's that had these very same problems.
>
> Shawn
>
>
>
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MD: Idea's on the Sony MD-DX3, + Richersounds (UK) Internet Ordering + Attn: minidisc.org guy (Rick or whoever)

[Peter Wood]

Heya guys,

Heh, again it's been to long since I last wrote or infact read the
md-l group. Alas my education takes a lot out of my life.

I'm looking at getting a minidisc deck and a cd deck for my hi-fi. I
was originally looking at getting seperate units. But lack of space in
my uni room, and some of the features make me look at getting a single
unit.

I was looking through the RicherSounds Catalogue (more on that later).
I saw MSDX3, I've read a little into it and it sounds like a good
unit, barr the fact it has no optical output (of which I'm not
intrested.)

I was woundering if anyone else had any comments on it? From what I
read it's ideal for my first md deck. I was just woundering what other
fealings people had about it.

2nd, Richer Sounds Internet Ordering... just a little warning. I
recently ordered a pair of speakers (Gale Gold Monitor Mk2) for a
friend. As it was under my name I've had to do all the follow up's,
etc.

First of all I ordered these on a Monday morning. RS then did not
process the order until Wednesday, and then debited my credit card.
They then did not ship the speakers until Friday! First of all I find
this bad business practice. Most companys do not take payment until
they ship.

The speakers then did not arive until the Wednesday. They box they
where in was badly beaten (Courier: Business Express), the speakers in
question where damaged. One of the courners of the speaker was dented
and the front covers had been sheared off (ie the plastic bits that go
into the speakers where broken).

I precided to ring up Richer Sounds and complain. Thankfully they
where more the happy to collect the set and then supply a new pair.
Which would have taken aproximatly a week.

My friend decided that he could not be bothered with that and asked
for a discount. Which he got. (Although a little low IMHO), He wanted
postage £8 and £20 for damage to the speakers. Richer Sounds after
consideration with a manager where happy to refund a total of £30.

Although I have had this experience with RS I would still be happy to
shop with them any day. I would visit any store and I would order by
phone to make sure it was sent that day, and I would request a
different carrier.

*shrug*, I appologise for the bad grammer and spelling, I've just got
back from being on the road for about four hours so I'm pritty shot.

On another note, I'm considering stopping my Sharp 7XX web site, if
anyone is intrested in taking it over, or Rick if you want to put it's
content on minidisc.org (which I would prefer). It would be sad to see
it close down after the work I've put into it.

As I said I'm only considering... *shrug* Although it looks more
likely then not *sniff*.

Have fun,

Peter.
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Re: MD: When Oh When.....

[las]

Alan Dowds wrote:

> I agree. I'm a journalist, and I love to use my 702 for interviews and note
> taking, but it's a pain to have to plug a mic in. Seems like in the past
> even the cheapest recording tape machines always had at least a cheap mono
> mic built-in. Surely it wouldn't take up much space, power or cost?

This may have been brought up before, but Sony did make a unit like the kind
that you are describing.  The price was outrageously high!  I'm not sure if they
still make them.

In the few years that I was selling MD gear on the net, we never had one inquiry
about the unit (and we sold all kinds of stuff).



With recorders selling as low as $140 on Mercata now, it seems that it would not
require much to just add an internal mike.  But I think that they industry
thinking was that the mini disc offered CD quality sound and that it was over
kill to offer a dictation machine that used a mini disc.

Even a high end micro cassette recorder is still only about $50 or $60 and the
cassettes are cheap.  But that doesn't mean that a low cost MD dictation machine
still isn't a good idea.

I haven't quite fully figured the MD manufactures out yet.  It is obvious from
the R and D and introduction of MDLP that Sony still believes that the MD is
alive and well.  But on the other hand they are trying to push their solid state
Stick in the US.

It seems to me that a $100 portable MD recorder is not out of the question and
one dollar blanks are almost there too.  With the right advertising push and
some PC compatibility MD could suddenly become the next big thing.

If Sony was really smart (especially if the Napster deal finally goes through)
they would introduce a portable that could record in either in ATRAC or MP3 mode
at the flip of a switch.  The problem is that they would have to admit that
their so called Data MDs are a rip off and cost the same to manufacture as a
plain MD.

Correct me if my math is off.  The average MP3 file is about 3.5 to 4 MB.   A 75
minute MD (why did they call them 74 minute when they are only a second short of
75 minutes?) hold about 140 MB of data.  I have a directory that is 700 MB and
contains about 225 songs.  That's 3.11 Mb each.  Lets us the number 3.5 MB per
song.  A Mini Disc should be able to hold 40 MP3 songs.

That's a few hours worth of much (around 2?).  Since these crap sold state MP3
players seem to be selling well, doesn't it make any sense that an "MP3-MD
recorder would sell well?

Larry



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MD: MiniDisc Weekly News for 5 November 2000

[MiniDisc Community Pages Weekly News]

MiniDisc Community Pages News for 30 October 2000

 o  Hot new find! Michael discovers a Japanese Sharp [1]press release 
   for their new portable recording MD unit, the MD-MT77 (currently 
   smallest in the world, MDLP-capable, USB connectable, flashy 
   multicolored LED lights built in). T's MD Comparison page already 
   [2]has this unit added to their site.

  [1] http://www.sharp.co.jp/sc/gaiyou/news/001030.html
  [2] http://members.nbci.com/md_data/


 o MiniDisc World (in Korean) posts some [3]photos of the Panasonic 
   MR200 portable MD recorder.

  [3] 
http://cafe8.daum.net/Cafe-bin/bbsView?bbsgrp=mdworld&bbscode=mdworld01&num=86&pnum=86&rev_num=14&pos=0&index=0


 o The T-Station posts information on the Kenwood [4]BR-2001 MD 
   bookshelf system and the [5]IT-2001 MD bookshelf system. 

  [4] http://www.t-station.net/products/kenwood_br2001.html
  [5] http://www.t-station.net/products/kenwood_it2001.html


MiniDisc Community Pages News for 2 November 2000

 o  Hot Deal! Kenan Atli spots the Audiophase MDP1 portable MD player 
   for only [1]$49 from BestBuy.com, with free shipping!

  [1] http://www.bestbuy.com/Detail.asp?m=58&cat=61&scat=248&e=11000156


 o Yet again, Michael is the first to spot a brand new unit: The 
   Kenwood DMC-M7R portable MD recorder, as described in this 
   [2]Japanese Kenwood press release, MDLP capable, active microphone 
   recording (records only when audio is heard), JPY46,000.

  [2] http://www.kenwoodcorp.com/j/press/press20001101.html


 o Two new Sony MD mini systems are spotted by Blas Sotelo: the 
   [3]DHC-MD595 and the [4]DHC-VZ50MD.

  [3] http://www.sony.com.hk/Electronics/consumer_p/md/system/dhc-md595.htm
  [4] http://www.sony.com.hk/Electronics/consumer_p/md/system/dhc-vz50MD.htm


 o Simon Gardner kindly scans in the entire [5]Sony MDX-C6500R manual.

  [5] http://www.minidisc.org/sony_mdxc6500r_manual


 o A grumbling article found on ZDNet by Rei talks about Sony 
   [6]fumbling the ball with MiniDisc.

  [6] http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2646723,00.html


 o Core Sound introduces new low cost [7]binaural microphone and 
   stealth cardioid microphone sets, aimed primarily for MiniDisc use.

  [7] http://www.core-sound.com/lcmics.html


 o [8]eCoustics.com offers price comparison and side-by-side model 
   comparison for MiniDisc units. 

  [8] http://ecoustics.pricegrabber.com/search_attrib.php?page_id=89



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RE: MD: sony car decks

[Tony Antoniou]

Yes, but don't forget the timeline that all those 5 models have spanned
across! A lot had changed when they got to the C7900 model, and for the
better.

Personally, I'm absolutely chuffed with my C8900 and wouldn't give it up for
quids (unless someone offered me a C8970 for $100 as an upgrade to the
built-in HX DSP ). I own a lot of Sony products, but I've never bought
their cheaper, or devices only just born. When MD first came out, it was a
mistake to buy into it thanks to the infancy, and therefore, immaturity of
the technology. As time passed, it improved to the monster it is today. And
so today's models, but upper-end only, are worth buying into because you're
paying a premium price to get a premium quality item.


Adios,
LarZ

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i guess my point is the track record there kinda scares me.  if i owned 5
different unit's and all but 1 had problems, i'm going to greatly consider
going with something else.  I'm definately still looking at sony, but really
dont get the best feeling honestly when talking about thier car decks.  Yes
they probably have improved, but to what extent?  anyone who own's something
other than a sony car MD deck i would like to know your impressions too.
thanks


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Subject: RE: MD: sony car decks


>
> ===BEGIN QUOTE==
> Yes, I have had the same problems.
> I have owned:
> MDX-U1
> MDX-C150 (two of them)
> MDX-400
> MDX-C7900 (still own)
> MDX-65 (still own)


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MD: Tuner-less car MD players

[Simon Mackay]

Hi everyone!

Who remembers those cassette or 8-track tape players that were sold during
the 60s and 70s, which were designed to be mounted under the dashboard of a
car? A lot of these units didn't have a tuner and often played through a set
of speakers that were often sold with the unit. Sometimes, it was possible
to feed the existing car radio (whether mono or stereo) through those
speakers by the use of an automatic switch box.

Then, during the 80s, some manufacturers supplied add-on car CD players that
were designed around the same concept as these tape players -- no tuner and
able to work with an existing OEM or aftermarket car stereo installation.

Why can't manufacturers work on car MD players that are designed like these
earlier add-on CD and tape players. If they removed the tuner, they can sell
these units for a lower price than the standard radio-MD units thar are sold
nowadays. There are people out there who own good car audio equipment and
wouldn't want to replace the existing head unit just to play MDs. From what
I have noticed, Europe could be a good market to market these units because,
from what I have heard, MD is gaining a foothold in that market.

With regards,

Simon Mackay

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MD: "Hidden features" on an MDS-320

[ExquisiteDeadGuy]

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Hello everyone,

  I just got a MDS-JE920 from Minidisco and I'm quite pleased with it. Sure 
it's not the most current model but it's more than adequate for my needs. :o)

  I was messing around with the remote that the 920 came with and discovered 
it does indeed turn on my 320, which didn't come with a remote. (I understand 
its replacement, the 330, does have a remote now.)

  I had heard that the remote from the 520 worked with the 320, but this 
confirms it isn't the only one that will bring new life to the 320.

   I also discovered that my old 320 has some undocumented features that Sony 
didn't bother letting us use, too!  By using the 920's remote, I can access 
the Music Scan feature (in 6, 10 and 20 second samples), force the text 
display to pause or re-scroll, achieve direct track access with the numbered 
keypad, enter titles in with the remote and even utilize Music Sync!  Music 
Scan and Music Sync Recording were real surprises to me, because they aren't 
mentioned in the 320's owners manual, nor are they accessable from the front 
panel. 

  One of my few dislikes of my old 320 (besides that ugly turn-on bug) is the 
lack of a syncro-start; I would have to start the MD and CD/etc machines at 
the same time when recording... Turns out it was there all along, hidden. :o)

~Zach


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RE: MD: drop outs!!

[Tony Antoniou]

My guess? If you've been regularly using your MZ-R50 for a long time,
worn-out optical block. But first thing I'd check is your optical cable,
just to ensure there aren't any breaks, it's not being bent at too sharp an
angle (i.e. past its critical angle), etc.

Then assume the worst...


Adios,
LarZ

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Subject:MD: drop outs!!


Greets all,

some weird behaviours here, I have been recording from CD using my mzr50
for a while now, I set the recording up to sync and forgets about them...

here and there I notice sometimes, the recording drops out in certain songs
, or that the song is cut into a few tracks or only part of the song is
recorded before it jams to the next track next song.

how's that?

:-)
kurt.


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Re: MD: Cloning question (clarification)

[J. Coon]

Dave, I just followed you instructions and I am listening to it  now.  I
will wait till it gets to the end and mark the un used part and delete
it.  THanks for posting such great and easy to follow instructions.  It
worked like a champ the  first time I tried it. 

"David W. Tamkin" wrote:
> 
> Jim Coon (whose capital C I managed to miss shifting on this new keyboard)
> asked if he needs to know whether the material is mono or stereo in advance
> before he starts to recover a disc for a friend.  I answered, in part,
> 
> | It certainly helps; ask your friend if you can get in touch with him.
> 
> Er, make that, "if you can get in touch with your friend, ask him."
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Re: MD: Cloning question (clarification)

[David W. Tamkin]

Jim Coon (whose capital C I managed to miss shifting on this new keyboard)
asked if he needs to know whether the material is mono or stereo in advance
before he starts to recover a disc for a friend.  I answered, in part,

| It certainly helps; ask your friend if you can get in touch with him.

Er, make that, "if you can get in touch with your friend, ask him."

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MD: MD Player $50.00, free shipping

[Shawn Lin]

The price is right...

http://www.bestbuy.com/Detail.asp?m=58&cat=61&scat=248&e=11000156

Now if they can only get the price of car audio and recorders similarly
as reasonable.

Shawn






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Re: MD: md-l-digest V2 #802

[JT]

> > unit.  He is using this as an example, and has not
> > inferred that he supports doing this.
> 
> That's correct.  I was just using that as an example.  I was not
> advocating any particular practice.

Ok.  Didn't think you did that, but who knows.

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MD: Ask Slashdot: Is MiniDisc Dead?

[Simon Gardner]

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/11/04/2036216

I'm sure some people from here could write some coherent pro-MD posts to 
balance this out a bit :)

-- 
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Re: MD: Cloning question.

[David W. Tamkin]

Jim coon wrote,

| I frined sent me a disk that he was recording and as the battery was
| giving out, he replaced the battery without stopping the unit so the TOC
| could be written.  He wants me to recover the recording.  I have a Sony
| 520 deck and a SOny R30 recorder.  I have some instructions that [David]
| Tamkin sent to the list for cloning with w 520.

OK ...

| So my question is do I need to know if the disc with out hte toc is
| recorded in mono or stereo before I try to recover it?

It certainly helps; ask your friend if you can get in touch with him.  In
case he isn't reachable or he doesn't remember, I think it's best to start my
answer by taking your question literally: you do not have to know before you
*try* to recover it.  You can find out in the process of recovery and start
over if the first mode you try is wrong.  I recommend trying stereo first
because (1) it is more likely and (2) it takes less time to prepare the
source disc.

Fill a scratch disc of at least the same duration as your friend's disc with
stereo silence and clone its TOC to your friend's disc.  If it plays cor-
rectly, you're fine.  If it plays at double speed, then the data are in mono;
delete the track from the scratch disc, fill it with mono silence, and clone
again.

Possibly the deleted disc had both some stereo and some mono, in which case
the procedure becomes more complicated, and I can detail it if you need it.

Unless your friend's disc was fully recorded on, you'll find that clusters
that were never used are now listed in the TOC as being in an active track.
Even if you don't try to restore all his track marks, *do* divide off and
delete the area at the end that has never been recorded on.  You'll recognize
it when you try to play it and the disc seems to get stuck there, with the
time not advancing.  Leaving it undeleted will just confuse the owner of the
disc.

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