Re: MD: If MDs had come out before CDs

2001-05-29 Thread las


Ivica Petrovic wrote:

> the fact is: CDs are sounding awful! I spent most of the time with my audio
> gears trying to "minimize" CDs "impressive" numbers and its shrieking
> character; who the hell is need such a things like 150 dB dynamics, signal
> nose ratio of 130 db and so onits dynamic and clarity is
> overentusiastic, as well as many CDs so called virtues, and at the same time
> it sounded flat! The best sounding environment to listening CDs is in the
> cars, or on some cheap boxes incapable of playing loud and clear. CD is so
> unnatural
> way of reproducing music to the level when things only getting worse with a
> more expensive Hi-Fi.  try to understand what I'd like to say: MDs, with all
> of its "disadvantages" are sounding more relaxed, quieter, calmer
> etc.
>

I'm sorry, I just can't buy any of that.  You have to put things in
perspective.  Have you forgotten about tape hiss?  The clicks and pops of
records?  Their limited frequency response?

Tapes sound muddy too!  Saying that CDs sound awful doesn't make it factual.  At
least not compared to the alternatives.

And how can an MD copied from a CD sound better than the CD, if I read what you
said correctly?  The models used to improve ATRAC were not designed to create
"better" recordings than CDs.  They were designed to minimize the difference.

I can't even listen to cassettes, they sound so bad to me.  When I go back and
put on a vinyl record, I realize just how bad they actually sounded.  If CDs
have a "hard edge" blame the recording producer, not the medium.

What sounds good is all relative.  How many times have I been stuck at a light
and a car pulls up next to me where the bass is so strong and the volume should
that it actually causes my car to shake!

But to those dudes in that car it is heaven.

Larry

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MD: md to cd

2001-05-29 Thread Mike Hooker


hi,
get a nice soundcard. i use a turtle beach montego with optical jacks
connected to a 530 deck. when i used an analog card, it sucked, there was
all sorts of noise, it almost sounded like cassette at times, especially if
the recording levels were low to begin with. maybe a real good analog sound
card can hold down this noise, but my optical card has zero noise. i wish i
bought it a long time ago.


see my music trading page:
http://pages.zdnet.com/mikehooker/hookstradingpage

have fun,
Mike Hooker

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Re: MD: If MDs had come out before CDs

2001-05-29 Thread Stainless Steel Rat


* las <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  on Tue, 29 May 2001
| The joke is that the local Sam's Club sold a two disc very highly rated
| Toshiba DVD player that was HDCD CD compatible.  The instructions manual
| says that, "the player will automatically detect an HDCD CD and a light
| will come on".  Well I'm still waiting to see the light.

Rimshot!

| Except for anything Spielberg, I don't see a heck of a lot of DTS DVDs
| either.

I have a few: Men in Black, Gladiator, and Big Trouble in Little China come
to mind.  I probably have a few others.  Thing is, Dolby Digital is the
minimum requirement for DVD-Video in Region 1.  dts is arguably a superior
spec, which is tantamount to calling it an a/vphile thing.
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Re: MD: If MDs had come out before CDs

2001-05-29 Thread Stainless Steel Rat


* las <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  on Tue, 29 May 2001
| But you were the one that made a statement last year when I mentioned how
| large the growth of DVDs were (I think I said they caught on much faster
| than CDs), something to the affect, "try CDs, Cassettes and VHS" or
| something like that.

Sure.  I never said its growth in the past two years wasn't anything but
fast.  "Bat out of Hell" implies a meteoric rise that simply did not happen
and is not happening now.  Portable MP3's adoption rate is meteoric, the
"bat out of Hell" that Matt is talking about.
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Re: MD: If MDs had come out before CDs

2001-05-29 Thread las


Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> I live near the Hub of the Universe (Boston, MA) and have yet to see
> DVD-Audio anywhere other than a few specialty shops, and the selection is
> both limited and expensive.  Maybe you live in one of the test market
> areas.

I guess I can no longer "cry" that I live in the middle of nowhere.  While it's
no NYC, Philly or even King of Prussia, we've got both a Circuit City and a
Best Buy here now (an Olive Garden too!).  I don't see any of the newer CD
formats any place.

I was in the Plymouth Meeting Best Buy in December (Plymouth Meeting is kind of
a hub for Philly to the south, NJ to the east, NE PA, Lancaster, King of
Prussia, Norristown etc.).  They had no idea what I was talking about when I
mentioned HDCD CDs.

The joke is that the local Sam's Club sold a two disc very highly rated Toshiba
DVD player that was HDCD CD compatible.  The instructions manual says that,
"the player will automatically detect an HDCD CD and a light will come on".
Well I'm still waiting to see the light.

Except for anything Spielberg, I don't see a heck of a lot of DTS DVDs either.
I still find THX very impressive on a really good system.  I think it's not the
standard as much as it is that they go out of there way to present very
striking music on those DVDs and even the VHS THX is impressive.

That explosive opening trademark chord blast you out of your seat.
Larry

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Re: MD: If MDs had come out before CDs

2001-05-29 Thread las


Matt Wall wrote:

>   I disagree 110%, compared to vhs/beta/HDTV/dang near any new product
>
> projections DVD did take off like a bat out of hell.  oh yeah i live in the
> middle of nowhere and there is 7 shops that carry DVD audio recordings
> around me.  guess what nobody is buying them.
>

Matt if you see the other post I wrote, I think that this time we caught the
Ratman contradicting a statement he made last year!!  I think that DVDs have
caught on much faster than CDs.  He replied something to the effect, "Try CDs,
VHS and cassettes".

Larry

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Re: MD: If MDs had come out before CDs

2001-05-29 Thread las


Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> No, it didn't.  DVD-Video went nowhere for three or four years before it
> ramped up.  From a point about two years ago, DVD-Video has grown rapidly,
> but at a steadilly increasing rate.
>

But you were the one that made a statement last year when I mentioned how large
the growth of DVDs were (I think I said they caught on much faster than CDs),
something to the affect, "try CDs, Cassettes and VHS" or something like that.

The only thing that I can say with certainty is that for a while CDs looked like
they might not ever take off.  It took quite a few years.  I personally felt
strongly that they where going to make it.

I remember going into a large record chain store in the mall which had a small
selection of CDs and saying to the young fellow working there, "I'll bet some day
all of these [pointing to the rows and rows of records] will be CDs.  He agreed
with me.

But it still took quite a few years before anything even close to that happened.

DVDs may have been around for a while, but it seems like there was no big push.
Then all of a sudden, it seems to me like within the last year (at least with in
my area) they started selling like crazy.

Once the players started going below $175 (USD) and the DVDs went from $25.00 to
$19.99 or less.  The penny trick always seems to work.

"Vinyl purists" can argue the virtues of records over CDs, but there simply is no
one who is honest that will not admit DVDs look much better than VHS tapes.  When
someone like my wife notices the difference (immediately at that!!) then anyone
will notice the improvement.

Larry


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Re: MD: If MDs had come out before CDs

2001-05-29 Thread Matt Wall


Oh my dear god someone said DVD instead of DVD-Video, please don't think I
meant DIVX.  I actually meant to say that we have this great new format in
our area called "Viewmaster" best buy has all the latest Charlie Chaplin
movies in you should check it out.  The quality of it is unsurpassed by
anything I've seen to date and the audio quality is perfect (mostly because
it has none)  This DVD-VIDEO you speak of is confusing to me.  please do
spend more time on explaining to everyone how correct you are in Sony's
almost abandonment of it and it's failing because of it's inferiority and
the fact that nobody really gives a crap because it did take off like crazy.


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> * "Matt Wall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  on Tue, 29 May 2001
> | wow i now realize my mistake, how wrong i was.  since you said this i
went
> | out, gee wiz no video stores carry dvd's to rent, best buy doesn't carry
> | them and has never, gee wizz how could i ever have thought that this
> | technology ever took off in the first place.  
>
> Sherman, set the Wayback Machine to 1998.  The place, Suncoast.  See any
> DVD-Video there?  Nope.  Oh, wait, there are a couple of copies of
> "Starship Troopers" sitting there behind the counter collecting dust.
>
> And FYI, "DVD" != "DVD-Video".
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RE: MD: MD --> CD-R

2001-05-29 Thread Danny-K


> what is the best way to take live shows youve recorded on your MD and
> transfer them to a CD-R on your computer? should i invest in a killer
> soundcard or is it a waste of money? is it ok to just go
> mini-to-mini with
> the CD-RW? is there a reasonably priced MD component that allows
> for digital
> output to a burner?

All of this is coming from someone that's been looking to do the same
thing--record digitally from MD to PC.

You need a minidisc recorder with digital coax in/out (not to be confused
with optical).  Coax is best from what people tell me.  And from I've heard
optical is not desirable for digital PC transfer, and was probably designed
to hook up to high-end receivers.  As someone on the list recently
described, if the optical in board on your PC does not reclock the optical
signal, you'll get PC recordings that change speed unpredictably.  And
that's worse than analog.

Then you need an I/O card that has digital coax in/out and you're good to
go.  Go to midiman.com and buy one of theirs.  They even have one that kills
SCMS, but you don't need that to go to PC, only for digital MD-MD copying.
Card can be had for less than $100.

As far as MD units, I originally had my eye on the Pioneer MJ-17D (the price
is right, and it's pretty sweet) but it doesn't have coax out.  M-audio (aka
midiman) does make a box called CO3 and it is both an optical/coax converter
and SCMS killer.  So you could go from minidisc to minidisc
digitally--pretty damn sweet.  The box is about $180 I think.  So you could
get the 17D and the box and the card for around $500.  The MJ-17D can be had
for less than $200 brand new on ebay.  No MDLP, but a CD only holds 74
minutes anyway.

If SCMS removal is not an issue, and you only need to record to PC, then
consider some Sony models.  The JB920 is pretty inexpensive, but it has a
problem where it kills discs.  I read this on minidisc.org where they ran
indie tests on 5 brands of minidisc.  Failure rate was 50% even with good
Sony discs.  Sony later admitted that the opening for MD insertion was too
narrow and fixed later models.  But you don't know which model you're gonna
get do you?  So stay away from the JB920 as far as I know.  The JB930 is
sweet, but none seems to be going around right now, and it's not MDLP.

I like the JB940.

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Re: MD: If MDs had come out before CDs

2001-05-29 Thread Stainless Steel Rat


* "Matt Wall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  on Tue, 29 May 2001
| wow i now realize my mistake, how wrong i was.  since you said this i went
| out, gee wiz no video stores carry dvd's to rent, best buy doesn't carry
| them and has never, gee wizz how could i ever have thought that this
| technology ever took off in the first place.  

Sherman, set the Wayback Machine to 1998.  The place, Suncoast.  See any
DVD-Video there?  Nope.  Oh, wait, there are a couple of copies of
"Starship Troopers" sitting there behind the counter collecting dust.

And FYI, "DVD" != "DVD-Video".
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Re: MD: If MDs had come out before CDs

2001-05-29 Thread Stuart Howlette



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> * "Matt Wall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  on Tue, 29 May 2001
> | i pretty much agree with most of what was said here, another thing that
> | kidna backs this up is that DVD video took off like a bat out of hell,
>
> No, it didn't.  DVD-Video went nowhere for three or four years before it
> ramped up.  From a point about two years ago, DVD-Video has grown rapidly,
> but at a steadilly increasing rate.
>
> | but i've yet to see anyone dump thier cd collection to replace it with
> | DVD audio
>
> Ummm... that would be because you can't buy DVD-Audio in the local record
> shop.

Which was exactly my arguement, availability, thats why MiniDisc's aren't as
popular as CD's, prerecorded ones are in the majority hard to find, and you
find an average consumer who wants to wait up to 80 minutes to listen to
some music on their portable

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Re: MD: MD --> CD-R

2001-05-29 Thread Stuart Howlette


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> hi
>
> what is the best way to take live shows youve recorded on your MD and
> transfer them to a CD-R on your computer? should i invest in a killer
> soundcard or is it a waste of money? is it ok to just go mini-to-mini with
> the CD-RW? is there a reasonably priced MD component that allows for
digital
> output to a burner?
>
> also, what benefit do i get with the sony USB connection in terms of sonic
> quality?
>
> i tried the archives but they are SO hard to navigate with respect to this
> question.
>
> inquiring minds...
>
> thanks
> kip martin
>

There are many ways in which you can go about this, buy a digital soundcard
(no, they aren't all wallet killers, bout $50 for an AudioExcel AV511 and
daughterboard from www.optibits.com). Of course, you could simply go the
analog route, but then if your wanting decent quality, you'll have to get a
hiss removal program and introduce another process. A logical way would be
to get an Audio CD burner, maybe the Marantz DR6000, which can record on
normal computer blanks, and buy an SCMS stripper to go between the md unit
and cd recorder.

Stuart Howlette

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Re: MD: If MDs had come out before CDs

2001-05-29 Thread Chad Gombosi


oh yeah i live in the
>middle of nowhere and there is 7 shops that carry DVD audio recordings
>around me.  guess what nobody is buying them.
>

You have 7 record shops in your area? If you even have 7 record shops you 
don't have a clue what the middle of nowhere is.

I live in a town of about 80,000, which is an OK size. We have three record 
stores (one lame one, two horrible ones) and they have never stocked a 
single DVD audio product. I regularly shop at 4 or 5 other stores in the 
state of Michigan, and I've never seen DVD audio there either.

Not that I would buy into the format anyway. The music selection is worse 
than pre-recorded MD. The reason why DVD took off is because they motion 
picture studios suported it very very well, and the price is cheap as hell.


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Re: MD: If MDs had come out before CDs

2001-05-29 Thread Matt Wall



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wow i now realize my mistake, how wrong i was.  since you said this i went
out, gee wiz no video stores carry dvd's to rent, best buy doesn't carry
them and has never, gee wizz how could i ever have thought that this
technology ever took off in the first place.ok my point was
that compared to most technologies this one did take off like a bat out of
hell.  And with sony/pioneer/philips pushing it i never once saw it failing
in any way/shape form.  anyway back to md discussion, end this


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>
> * "Matt Wall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  on Tue, 29 May 2001
> | I disagree 110%, compared to vhs/beta/HDTV/dang near any new product
> | projections DVD did take off like a bat out of hell.
>
> DVD-Video has been around for about five years now.  Its growth has mostly
> been in the past two years.  In its first two years of existence,
DVD-Video
> came >< close to failing outright.  The media was expensive and
unreliable,
> the players moreso, and the selection of titles microscopic.  And even
> though its growth in the past two years has been rapid, it has been very
> steady, not explosive.  And it is still well behind its initial
> projections, which had DVD-Video completely replacing consumer VHS by the
> end of last year.
>
> Yes, DVD-Video has done amazingly well after a very bumpy start, much like
> CD-Audio.  Yes, DVD-Video has the highest adoption rate of any new
consumer
> technology ever, after CD-Audio.  In five years, DVD-Video has achieved
> market penetration almost equivalent to what CD-Audio managed in ten.
That
> is fast, but it is not as explosive as you believe or imply.
>
> | oh yeah i live in the middle of nowhere and there is 7 shops that carry
> | DVD audio recordings around me.  guess what nobody is buying them.
>
> I live near the Hub of the Universe (Boston, MA) and have yet to see
> DVD-Audio anywhere other than a few specialty shops, and the selection is
> both limited and expensive.  Maybe you live in one of the test market
> areas.
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Re: MD: If MDs had come out before CDs

2001-05-29 Thread Stainless Steel Rat


* "Ivica Petrovic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  on Tue, 29 May 2001
| the fact is: CDs are sounding awful! [snip]

And your point is?
I mean, none of this is anything we did not know already, although I think
you are a bit more... militant about it than most.
Of course, if CD-Audio sucks, in your opinion, where does that leave MD?
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Re: MD: MD --> CD-R

2001-05-29 Thread Marc Britten


unless i'm way off(haven't played w/ it this way) the sony USB connection is 
downstream, from soundcard to MD, not upstream, from MD to soundcard.

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Re: MD: If MDs had come out before CDs

2001-05-29 Thread Ivica Petrovic


the fact is: CDs are sounding awful! I spent most of the time with my audio
gears trying to "minimize" CDs "impressive" numbers and its shrieking
character; who the hell is need such a things like 150 dB dynamics, signal
nose ratio of 130 db and so onits dynamic and clarity is
overentusiastic, as well as many CDs so called virtues, and at the same time
it sounded flat! The best sounding environment to listening CDs is in the
cars, or on some cheap boxes incapable of playing loud and clear. CD is so
unnatural
way of reproducing music to the level when things only getting worse with a
more expensive Hi-Fi.  try to understand what I'd like to say: MDs, with all
of its "disadvantages" are sounding more relaxed, quieter, calmer
etc.



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Re: MD: If MDs had come out before CDs

2001-05-29 Thread Stainless Steel Rat


* "Matt Wall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  on Tue, 29 May 2001
| I disagree 110%, compared to vhs/beta/HDTV/dang near any new product
| projections DVD did take off like a bat out of hell.

DVD-Video has been around for about five years now.  Its growth has mostly
been in the past two years.  In its first two years of existence, DVD-Video
came >< close to failing outright.  The media was expensive and unreliable,
the players moreso, and the selection of titles microscopic.  And even
though its growth in the past two years has been rapid, it has been very
steady, not explosive.  And it is still well behind its initial
projections, which had DVD-Video completely replacing consumer VHS by the
end of last year.

Yes, DVD-Video has done amazingly well after a very bumpy start, much like
CD-Audio.  Yes, DVD-Video has the highest adoption rate of any new consumer
technology ever, after CD-Audio.  In five years, DVD-Video has achieved
market penetration almost equivalent to what CD-Audio managed in ten.  That
is fast, but it is not as explosive as you believe or imply.

| oh yeah i live in the middle of nowhere and there is 7 shops that carry
| DVD audio recordings around me.  guess what nobody is buying them.

I live near the Hub of the Universe (Boston, MA) and have yet to see
DVD-Audio anywhere other than a few specialty shops, and the selection is
both limited and expensive.  Maybe you live in one of the test market
areas.
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Re: MD: If MDs had come out before CDs

2001-05-29 Thread Matt Wall



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I disagree 110%, compared to vhs/beta/HDTV/dang near any new product
projections DVD did take off like a bat out of hell.  oh yeah i live in the
middle of nowhere and there is 7 shops that carry DVD audio recordings
around me.  guess what nobody is buying them.

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> * "Matt Wall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  on Tue, 29 May 2001
> | i pretty much agree with most of what was said here, another thing that
> | kidna backs this up is that DVD video took off like a bat out of hell,
>
> No, it didn't.  DVD-Video went nowhere for three or four years before it
> ramped up.  From a point about two years ago, DVD-Video has grown rapidly,
> but at a steadilly increasing rate.
>
> | but i've yet to see anyone dump thier cd collection to replace it with
> | DVD audio
>
> Ummm... that would be because you can't buy DVD-Audio in the local record
> shop.
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MD: MD --> CD-R

2001-05-29 Thread kip martin


hi

what is the best way to take live shows youve recorded on your MD and 
transfer them to a CD-R on your computer? should i invest in a killer 
soundcard or is it a waste of money? is it ok to just go mini-to-mini with 
the CD-RW? is there a reasonably priced MD component that allows for digital 
output to a burner?

also, what benefit do i get with the sony USB connection in terms of sonic 
quality?

i tried the archives but they are SO hard to navigate with respect to this 
question.

inquiring minds...

thanks
kip martin
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Re: MD: Help with MD-Discam video transfer to PC

2001-05-29 Thread matthew c. mead


I remember reading somewhere about the time of this camera's
announce that firewire offloading of video would not be
supported.


-matt

On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 08:45:30AM -0700, Jacob Alifrangis wrote:
> 
> I would check to see if the camera supports usb or firewire (iLink)
> 
> Otherwise I would expect this to be another sony-shot-itself-in-the-foot
> argument.

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RE: MD: Help with MD-Discam video transfer to PC

2001-05-29 Thread Jacob Alifrangis


I would check to see if the camera supports usb or firewire (iLink)

Otherwise I would expect this to be another sony-shot-itself-in-the-foot
argument.

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Hi Bo,

I'm sorry, I really know very little about the MD Discam. I'm forwarding
your note to the MD mailing list with the hope that someone there can
help. Frankly, this is really a question for video users, not the usual
MD crowd.

Rick


"Gyi,Bo X" writes:

>MAY 27, 2001
>
>I bought Sony MD Discam which uses Sony mini disc data2 discs.  I take 
>video recordings of my kids.  I understand the movies are recorded in 
>MPEG2 files.
>
>I want to be able to copy the MPEG2 files from the mini disc data2 disc

>to my computer hard disc so that I can play the movies on my computer 
>monitor. This will also allow me to back up my video recordings on 
>cheaper CD Rom disc.
>
>What I have done now is to connect MD Discam with my computer through 
>video cable and RCA jack and record on my hard disc using ATI Vivo 
>(video capture
>card) and save the movies as MPEG2 files.  I do not know for sure but I
>believe that I lose signal this way because the MD Discam does digital
to
>analog conversion and then the ATI video card does analogue to digital
>conversion.  It is also double work.
>
>I would like to DIRECTLY copy MPEG2 files from MD data2 discs to my
computer
>hard disc.  Does anybody know how to do it?   Are there software or
hardware
>(disc reader) available?  Can you copy with networking and category 5 
>cables?
>
>I would appreciate it very much if anyone knows how to do it and help 
>me out.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Bo
>
>email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: MD: If MDs had come out before CDs

2001-05-29 Thread Stainless Steel Rat


* "Matt Wall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  on Tue, 29 May 2001
| i pretty much agree with most of what was said here, another thing that
| kidna backs this up is that DVD video took off like a bat out of hell,

No, it didn't.  DVD-Video went nowhere for three or four years before it
ramped up.  From a point about two years ago, DVD-Video has grown rapidly,
but at a steadilly increasing rate.

| but i've yet to see anyone dump thier cd collection to replace it with
| DVD audio

Ummm... that would be because you can't buy DVD-Audio in the local record
shop.
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Re: MD: MDLP Question

2001-05-29 Thread Stainless Steel Rat


* Ken Clinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  on Tue, 29 May 2001
| I've made some compilation discs at LP4, for my *noisy* commute (crowded
| bus, downtown traffic noises) and it's fine for that. Also probably would
| work well for low-volume background music. But at home, it's obvious that
| the high frequencies aren't there, and stereo isn't as "stereo".

Yep, that is pretty much exactly what you should be hearing.

Keep in mind that the majority of people carrying around portables use the
crap headphones that come with the unit.  Which means that they probably
won't be able to tell the difference between SP and LP4 and really don't
care.
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Re: MD: sony mz-r37 vs sharp ms-702

2001-05-29 Thread kip martin


hey

>can anyone comment on which unit, the sony mz-r37 and the sharp ms-702 , 
>does a better job at reproducing live recorded sound?

im sure that they are so close sonically that it makes little difference 
which one is better in terms of recording. i will say this: as someone who 
sold a sharp and 'upgraded' to a newer sony, i believe i made a mistake. the 
controls (especially the manual 'on the fly' volume control) are much better 
with the sharp.

losing a minute of a show is just _never_ worth it. hell id rather have a 
clean, complete casette of a great show than a state of the art MD recording 
of a show where i missed the first 20 seconds due to a bad volume setting. 
or one w/ a missed song due to an accidental pause. as they say, 'been 
there, done that'.

i love my sony--great sound, front-pocket-of-my-jeans size, quiet (i plug a 
Sound Pro binaural T mic directly into it with NO noise--do THAT with a 
sharp!), but the 702/722 is THE best in terms of user comfort and control 
over input.

my 2 cents.

kip

by the way, anyone want to swap their sharp 702/722 for my sony mzr55?

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MD: FM radio as MD source...

2001-05-29 Thread Timothy Stockman


I recorded the "Best of XPN" from WXPN, a local non-commercial FM station,
this past weekend.  Let me begin by saying that theie audio is much better sounding
than any commercial stations in the area.  In general, the frequency response is
very good  and they don't seem to compress significantly.  The background hiss is
almost non-existant.  At low levels, the signal sounds quite impressive.  However
during the louder portions of songs, there seems to be quite a bit of clipping.
(No, the MD is not being overloaded, peaks are about -3 dB.)
I recorded using the built-in tuner in the DHC-MD555 shelf system.  Sony gives
few specifications for the FM tuner section.   Maybe I should have dusted off 
my Kenwood KT-815 tuner, which I know has a supurb FM section (0.04% THD
in *stereo* mode, thanks to its PWM detector) ...

Anyone have FM recording experiences to share?

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MD: New Sony Decks?

2001-05-29 Thread KVE


Does anyone know when the new Sony MD decks are going to start selling
in the US? How much are they going to cost? My JE510 is almost dead and
I need a replacement...

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MD: Sony MDPCS3

2001-05-29 Thread Andrew MacLeod


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Re: MD: MDLP Question

2001-05-29 Thread Ken Clinger


I've made some compilation discs at LP4, for my *noisy* commute (crowded
bus, downtown traffic noises) and it's fine for that. Also probably would
work well for low-volume background music. But at home, it's obvious that
the high frequencies aren't there, and stereo isn't as "stereo". 

I can't hear any difference between LP2 and SP, but I grew up on
cassettes, so my demands are probably not that stellar.


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MD: Sharp AD-PCR2

2001-05-29 Thread dinis


Hi!

Does anybody on this list own the Sharp AD-PCR2 link kit?

dinis

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MD: Help with MD-Discam video transfer to PC

2001-05-29 Thread Eric Woudenberg, Minidisc.org Editor



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Hi Bo,

I'm sorry, I really know very little about the MD Discam. I'm
forwarding your note to the MD mailing list with the hope that someone
there can help. Frankly, this is really a question for video users,
not the usual MD crowd.

Rick


"Gyi,Bo X" writes:

>MAY 27, 2001
>
>I bought Sony MD Discam which uses Sony mini disc data2 discs.  I take video
>recordings of my kids.  I understand the movies are recorded in MPEG2 files.
>
>I want to be able to copy the MPEG2 files from the mini disc data2 disc to
>my computer hard disc so that I can play the movies on my computer monitor.
>This will also allow me to back up my video recordings on cheaper CD Rom
>disc.
>
>What I have done now is to connect MD Discam with my computer through video
>cable and RCA jack and record on my hard disc using ATI Vivo (video capture
>card) and save the movies as MPEG2 files.  I do not know for sure but I
>believe that I lose signal this way because the MD Discam does digital to
>analog conversion and then the ATI video card does analogue to digital
>conversion.  It is also double work.
>
>I would like to DIRECTLY copy MPEG2 files from MD data2 discs to my computer
>hard disc.  Does anybody know how to do it?   Are there software or hardware
>(disc reader) available?  Can you copy with networking and category 5
>cables?
>
>I would appreciate it very much if anyone knows how to do it and help me
>out.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Bo
>
>email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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MD: cAPItaLIze

2001-05-29 Thread Danny-K


> By the way, Matt, you can't burst my bubble if I'm right, which I am.
> Besides, how could anyone take seriously any person who is too lazy to
> use the Caps key on his keyboard?
>

Only a complete wank would criticize a person's capitalization habits on an
internet mailing list.

Have a good 3-day weekend everybody.
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