MD: Net MD drives
Hey, some actual MD news! Maybe that OS holy-wars thread will finally die! Actually, maybe it already has; I kill-filtered it yesterday. I just read today's news on the MDCP, and the link to the Sony VAIO article (http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/ptech/09/21/sony.pc.idg/index.html). The article says at the end that Sony will be releasing USB-connectable Net MD drives for PCs... that kicks ass! I was expecting that Net MD would only be available in the MZ-R910/710/510, or whatever. But with a Net MD drive, my R700 will live on, and the Net MD drive can stay at my desk and I won't have to plug and unplug the recorder every time. And perhaps best of all, Net MD will hopefully put an end to the spotty trackmarking via DG-2. Anyone have any more dirt about these Net MD drives? Like why is Sony releasing two of them, what's the differences? Any ideas about how much they'll cost? It'd be wise on Sony's part to make them relatively inexpensive, so maybe people will actually buy MD stuff. 2 [) [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\ http://rsquared.firest0rm.org/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: new user with MD to PC question
I was asked to share how I made the MD to PD link... I was starting to think that maybe it was so obvious to everyone else that it wasn't even worth comment. OK, I started figuring after a while that if I had a stereo cable (as compared to mono) with a male end on each side then I could plug one end into the mic connection of the computer and plug the other end into the headphones of the minidisc player/recorder. I tested this out by recording onto the sound recorder that comes with windows ME (start > programs > accessories > sound recorder) at first this didn't work and a friend more computer literate than myself came over and what he did was right click on the yellow speaker icon on the right side of the program bar along the botton right of the screen > Adjust Audio Properites > make sure all the settings are set for your sound card, then close. Then right click again on yellow speaker icon > go to open volume controls > Click Options > then click properties > then is the "show volume controls" then click box for microphone and then, looking at the volume controls unclick 'mute' on the microphone. (NOW, this was all done on my lap top. When I just now did the same thing on my desk top I got a lot of feed back because I have a mike hooked up right now for video confrencing and went ahead and muted it but the recorder still works.) So, I think that is everything as far as making sure your computer recorder via the mic is working. Next, assuming you have some sort of audio editor like COOL EDIT or GOLDWAVE or CAKEWALK or SOUND FORGE or something like that you can open the program then click on FILE > NEW. This will open a new window in your program. Then (assuming your all plugged in with your MD player and a disc with something on it) Start RECORD on your audio editor and then you start PLAY on the MD player and what would be going to your head set starts recording on your computer. If you or anyone on the list knows better or other ways to upload to the computer from the minidisc I would love to hear it also. I only have about a total of 2 hours of minidisc experience so far. Like I say, I just bought the thing so I am still wrapping my mind around this new-to-me technology. Cecil Touchon http://ipdg.org/massurrealist/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Net MD (slightly OT)
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Yes they do (chipset was meant as graphics card) and i dont wanna say your wrong, but i have one sitting here. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 2:00 PM Subject: Re: MD: Net MD (slightly OT) > > > === > = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = > = be more selective when quoting text = > === > > 1) this thread started out bad and went to worse fast > > 2) dell doesn't ship a server w/ a nvidia graphics card > > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 01:48:30PM -0500, Matt Wall wrote: > > > > > > === > > = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = > > = be more selective when quoting text = > > === > > > > ok this thread wont die, and since it wont, have you seen the price on MAC's > > VS DELL. Dell just ran a server deal Dual 1.(something) ghz machine, 256 > > meg ram, 40 gig hd, nvidia video card, $439 with OS. they ran out real > > quick. but i want you to show me any new mac that comes close to that and > > i'll agree that the price issue doesn't exist any more. > - > To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word > "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Net MD (very OT)
macdef wrote: > > Sorry to keep this off-topic thread going, but I have an > obsessive-compulsive need to correct misinformation ;) > > Shawn Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Macs commanded a premium price on hardware > > This was definitely true in the past, but it is not any longer. Yes, but when I switched from Mac to PC *was* in the past when it was very true. Even my sister's G3 Mac that she needed for Graphic Design class cost 3x more than what my dad and I could build her an equivelently powerful PC for. Obviously G3 is still old enough to be considered "the past", but it wasn't THAT long ago. Even now, I doubt a Mac costs less than some cheap mail-order E-machines PC clone. > The thing most people forget about the "cost" issue is that the VAST > majority of consumers don't build their own machine, and will never upgrade > their computer (processor upgrade, etc.) in the future. When their current > computer gets old/outdated, they sell it (or hand it down) and buy a new > one. This is true of both Windows PCs and Macs. Perhaps, but for myself, generational upgradeability is essential. I have had this same "box" sitting next to me for about 4 years, the one I had before I had for also 4-years or so. I think you also underestimate the number of consumers that attempt their own upgrades. Even retail stores like Best Buy stock motherboards, CPUs, and cases. The mail-order scene for raw PC components (HD's, CPUs, heatsinks, motherboards, etc.) is HUGE. A popular PC hardware DIY oriented website I go to happens to be one of the busiest websites I ever get on (http://www.anandtech.com). > That being the case, the above statement about "Mac price premiums" is only > true if you build your own machine. If you buy from a name vendor, as the > majority of consumers do, there is no longer a price premium. For the same > money, you get as much or more buying a Mac nowadays. And you can upgrade > most Mac processors nowadays for pretty cheap as well. I have seen name-brand PC's from Dell for $500 or so. I'm going to guess that a lot of people DO build their own machines as well. All my friends desktop PC's are homebuilt. I also prefer homebuilt PC's because if it breaks, I can replace the broken part for pretty cheap, even if the broken part is the motherboard. I've seen good ones for less than $50, although I've actually never had to replace one. The motherboard on my sister's G3 Mac mysteriously went bad. I did the initial diagnosis and I was right, but I couldn't get a new motherboard for it. Used motherboards at the time were $300 on Ebay, and weren't the same revision. She had to ship that thing to an Apple repair center to get the motherboard replaced. I seem to remember it was fairly expensive as well. I don't personally like things that aren't DIY-friendly. Mac may be best for you, but PC is best for many people and there will have to be a LOT of changes before a Mac is right for everyone. Shawn - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Net MD (slightly OT)
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === 1) this thread started out bad and went to worse fast 2) dell doesn't ship a server w/ a nvidia graphics card On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 01:48:30PM -0500, Matt Wall wrote: > > > === > = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = > = be more selective when quoting text = > === > > ok this thread wont die, and since it wont, have you seen the price on MAC's > VS DELL. Dell just ran a server deal Dual 1.(something) ghz machine, 256 > meg ram, 40 gig hd, nvidia video card, $439 with OS. they ran out real > quick. but i want you to show me any new mac that comes close to that and > i'll agree that the price issue doesn't exist any more. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Portable MD recorders with optical out
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === heh, i have my MZ-1, newly cleaned and everything, seems to playback my MD's recoreded on a R700 fine. marc On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 02:58:57PM +0100, Stuart Howlette wrote: > > Not a single Portable MD-Recorder since the early nineties has been made > with optical out, due to copyright issues and also to conserve space. If, > though, you can pick up an old MZ-1 then that will be fine as long as you > are only playing them, as ATRAC 1 (at least from what I have heard) was > fundamentaly flawed and was subsequently improved, but that only applies to > recording it, playing it should make no difference at all. Maybe some > professional recorder does (although I highly doubt that). Best thing if the > portability is an issue is just to buy an old deck, otherwise its the old > gear or (bleurgh!!!) analog - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Net MD (slightly OT)
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === ok this thread wont die, and since it wont, have you seen the price on MAC's VS DELL. Dell just ran a server deal Dual 1.(something) ghz machine, 256 meg ram, 40 gig hd, nvidia video card, $439 with OS. they ran out real quick. but i want you to show me any new mac that comes close to that and i'll agree that the price issue doesn't exist any more. > > Sorry to keep this off-topic thread going, but I have an > obsessive-compulsive need to correct misinformation ;) > > > Shawn Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Macs commanded a premium price on hardware > > This was definitely true in the past, but it is not any longer. > > The thing most people forget about the "cost" issue is that the VAST > majority of consumers don't build their own machine, and will never upgrade > their computer (processor upgrade, etc.) in the future. When their current > computer gets old/outdated, they sell it (or hand it down) and buy a new > one. This is true of both Windows PCs and Macs. > > That being the case, the above statement about "Mac price premiums" is only > true if you build your own machine. If you buy from a name vendor, as the > majority of consumers do, there is no longer a price premium. For the same > money, you get as much or more buying a Mac nowadays. And you can upgrade > most Mac processors nowadays for pretty cheap as well. > > > "Alan Dowds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I use an Apple in my work as a motorcycle journalist. It's a > >three-month-old G4 500mhz, with CDRW, 384MB RAM. I normally use it > >for Word, Outlook, Explorer, Quark and Real Player. It crashes all > >the time - at least twice a day, often more. > > > >It's less reliable than my own (home-made) Windows/AMD PC. I think > >Apples have become less reliable over the past couple of years. The > >old Performas were almost indestructible. The newer ones seem much > >less so. > > There are two things here. The first is that the reason newer Macs are "out > of the box" less stable is that they now have incredibly greater built-in > functionality than Performas of years ago had. On any platform, adding > features reduces stability. Look what USB did to Windows ;) Objectively, > current Macs are far more stable and powerful than older Performas. In fact, > from a statistical point of view, the Performa line was the worst line Apple > every made if you look at repair histories. > > That said, any operating system "out of the box" is bad. Windows, Mac, Linux > -- every one can be made significantly more stable with a little knowledge. > That sucks for consumers, but that's the way it is. I run NT, OS 9, and OS > X, and none of them freezes, because they've all been tweaked a bit. The > fact that Alan built his Windows PC leads me to believe that he is quite a > bit more proficient with Windows than he is with Mac OS, which could explain > why his Windows machine is more stable. > > As was said earlier on the list, the stability of any operating system is > directly related to how much of an expert the user is. > > > "Matt Wall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Apple gives huge breaks on both software and hardware for schools, > >studends and teachers. so i would guess that is a lot of the reason, > >not that they want the students using an os that they will use in the > >real world ;) > > First, this is a comment from someone who obviously doesn't know the market. > The days of "huge breaks" for schools, students, and teachers ended years > ago. The "big break" Apple gives schools on a $999 computer? About $50. This > is because Apple's hardware is actually price-competitive now, so they don't > have the margins to work with that they once did. Heck, Dell gives bigger > breaks to schools than Apple does. > > Second, as for "using an os that they will use in the real world," that's a > silly concept that has never been a good rule for what platform to use, for > three reasons. 1) Studies have shown that *learning* to use a computer is > far more important than what operating system is used for that learning; 2) > the major applications work exactly the same on all platforms; and 3) > technology and operating systems change so fast that a kid using a computer > in 6th grade today won't be using anything remotely similar to that > computer/OS when he's in the "real world." (Heck, Mac OS 7.x and 8 were much > closer to Windows 95/98 than Windows 3.1 was... even Microsoft found it > easier for people to transition from Mac to Windows 9x than from 3.1 to 9x > ;)). Given these facts the best thing for a school to do is buy what is the > easiest to teach/learn with, the easiest to support, etc. Some schools find > this to be Windows, some Mac. > > -
Re: MD: Net MD (slightly OT)
Sorry to keep this off-topic thread going, but I have an obsessive-compulsive need to correct misinformation ;) Shawn Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Macs commanded a premium price on hardware This was definitely true in the past, but it is not any longer. The thing most people forget about the "cost" issue is that the VAST majority of consumers don't build their own machine, and will never upgrade their computer (processor upgrade, etc.) in the future. When their current computer gets old/outdated, they sell it (or hand it down) and buy a new one. This is true of both Windows PCs and Macs. That being the case, the above statement about "Mac price premiums" is only true if you build your own machine. If you buy from a name vendor, as the majority of consumers do, there is no longer a price premium. For the same money, you get as much or more buying a Mac nowadays. And you can upgrade most Mac processors nowadays for pretty cheap as well. "Alan Dowds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I use an Apple in my work as a motorcycle journalist. It's a >three-month-old G4 500mhz, with CDRW, 384MB RAM. I normally use it >for Word, Outlook, Explorer, Quark and Real Player. It crashes all >the time - at least twice a day, often more. > >It's less reliable than my own (home-made) Windows/AMD PC. I think >Apples have become less reliable over the past couple of years. The >old Performas were almost indestructible. The newer ones seem much >less so. There are two things here. The first is that the reason newer Macs are "out of the box" less stable is that they now have incredibly greater built-in functionality than Performas of years ago had. On any platform, adding features reduces stability. Look what USB did to Windows ;) Objectively, current Macs are far more stable and powerful than older Performas. In fact, from a statistical point of view, the Performa line was the worst line Apple every made if you look at repair histories. That said, any operating system "out of the box" is bad. Windows, Mac, Linux -- every one can be made significantly more stable with a little knowledge. That sucks for consumers, but that's the way it is. I run NT, OS 9, and OS X, and none of them freezes, because they've all been tweaked a bit. The fact that Alan built his Windows PC leads me to believe that he is quite a bit more proficient with Windows than he is with Mac OS, which could explain why his Windows machine is more stable. As was said earlier on the list, the stability of any operating system is directly related to how much of an expert the user is. "Matt Wall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Apple gives huge breaks on both software and hardware for schools, >studends and teachers. so i would guess that is a lot of the reason, >not that they want the students using an os that they will use in the >real world ;) First, this is a comment from someone who obviously doesn't know the market. The days of "huge breaks" for schools, students, and teachers ended years ago. The "big break" Apple gives schools on a $999 computer? About $50. This is because Apple's hardware is actually price-competitive now, so they don't have the margins to work with that they once did. Heck, Dell gives bigger breaks to schools than Apple does. Second, as for "using an os that they will use in the real world," that's a silly concept that has never been a good rule for what platform to use, for three reasons. 1) Studies have shown that *learning* to use a computer is far more important than what operating system is used for that learning; 2) the major applications work exactly the same on all platforms; and 3) technology and operating systems change so fast that a kid using a computer in 6th grade today won't be using anything remotely similar to that computer/OS when he's in the "real world." (Heck, Mac OS 7.x and 8 were much closer to Windows 95/98 than Windows 3.1 was... even Microsoft found it easier for people to transition from Mac to Windows 9x than from 3.1 to 9x ;)). Given these facts the best thing for a school to do is buy what is the easiest to teach/learn with, the easiest to support, etc. Some schools find this to be Windows, some Mac. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Why no track marks?
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === I had this problem when recording MP3s, and solved it by getting one of those playback pausers that inserts like four second pauses between tracks. With recorders like my R900, it will auto-trackmark based on the pause. Works like a charm, and it's a free plugin you can download from winamp.com :ml --- Mike Lastucka, B. Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sites.netscape.net/element5/ 2048 bit DH 0x16DC15CD >From: "Tony Antoniou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: MD: Why no track marks? >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 02:13:39 +1000 > > >You're not getting the track marks because the transfer between your >CDROM drive and the soundcard is still analogue. Now if it were purely >digital, then you would get the desired result. > >Fact is, without the SPDIF out hack, you'll never get the track marks. > >Adios, >LarZ > >--- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --- > >-Original Message- >From: Luis Dodero >Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2001 12:46 >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: MD: Why no track marks? > >Hi, I'm recording from my PC to my MD deck, and I get no trackmarks. I >know, >I know, when you record MP3's etc the trackmarks don't show up. I'm >using a >Soundblaster live! with the Hoontech S/pdif module (which is great BTW), >and >playing a CD (realtime ripping in Windows, so no analog out from the >drive). >I thought I'd be able to see track marks. Any way of doing this other >than >directly using the s/pdif out hack for one of my drives? > > >- >To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word >"unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Portable MD recorders with optical out
| Maybe some professional recorder does (although I highly doubt that). No need for doubt, Stuart. The HHB Portadisc, for one example, is a professional-grade portable MD recorder with optical (and I believe also coax) output. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Why no track marks?
You're not getting the track marks because the transfer between your CDROM drive and the soundcard is still analogue. Now if it were purely digital, then you would get the desired result. Fact is, without the SPDIF out hack, you'll never get the track marks. Adios, LarZ --- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --- -Original Message- From: Luis Dodero Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2001 12:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MD: Why no track marks? Hi, I'm recording from my PC to my MD deck, and I get no trackmarks. I know, I know, when you record MP3's etc the trackmarks don't show up. I'm using a Soundblaster live! with the Hoontech S/pdif module (which is great BTW), and playing a CD (realtime ripping in Windows, so no analog out from the drive). I thought I'd be able to see track marks. Any way of doing this other than directly using the s/pdif out hack for one of my drives? - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Portable MD recorders with optical out
Not a single Portable MD-Recorder since the early nineties has been made with optical out, due to copyright issues and also to conserve space. If, though, you can pick up an old MZ-1 then that will be fine as long as you are only playing them, as ATRAC 1 (at least from what I have heard) was fundamentaly flawed and was subsequently improved, but that only applies to recording it, playing it should make no difference at all. Maybe some professional recorder does (although I highly doubt that). Best thing if the portability is an issue is just to buy an old deck, otherwise its the old gear or (bleurgh!!!) analog -- Stuart Howlette "There are many questions in life, but is the right answer only correct because the majority believe in it?" This is from a chat i had with someone a while ago (and this was him being serious "NoNaMeR 2KuK: say we dont need computers NoNaMeR 2KuK: we could use cheese instead " For more from this chat, visit http://www.liquid2k.com/stuh84/personal/chat.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.liquid2k.com/stuh84/ http://www.liquid2k.com/stuh84/personal/ -- - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: OS (OT) < Topic ends here
Sheesh. I think we can drop this thread now. This is no place to discuss it anyway. I'm not in the mood for 'another' holy war. :-) Cheers. Gerard. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: OS (OT)
On 9/25/01 5:29 PM, "md-l-mimedigest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> How come everybody says how crappy windows is but nobody wants to use >>> something else? I did not mean to imply that it is Windows that is crappy...what I said was MY___ Windows machine is crappy I work with lots of different kinds of machines and Operating Systems at home and at work. My windows machines at work are fabulous! I love them. At home my MAC currently is newer and better than my other machines. I love it. It has a lot more to do with the updated hardware than anything else. What it comes down to for me is the world is a better place when we have more choices. I only wish there were more Operating Systems to choose from! - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Why no track marks?
Hi, I'm recording from my PC to my MD deck, and I get no trackmarks. I know, I know, when you record MP3's etc the trackmarks don't show up. I'm using a Soundblaster live! with the Hoontech S/pdif module (which is great BTW), and playing a CD (realtime ripping in Windows, so no analog out from the drive). I thought I'd be able to see track marks. Any way of doing this other than directly using the s/pdif out hack for one of my drives? Thanks! -Luis - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Portable MD recorders with optical out
Hi all, A friend of mine is new to the world of minidisc and is interested in buying a portable MD recorder that has optical output. I know that Sharp used to make models (e.g. MD-M25) that had this feature and there were corresponding clones from Kenwood and Denon, but does anyone know of a more modern unit? Peter Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Beta testers needed for Miyadisc "345" minute blanks
Hi,
A few years back we had the idea of offering extended length ("hacked
TOC") blanks for sale, but since they weren't compatible with Sony
gear, and only offered 6 minutes more than a normal 80minute blank,
they didn't quite seem worth it.
However, now with MDLP equipment, such a blank would hold 5h45m of LP4
audio, or about 25 minutes more than normal 80m blanks. Plus, I've
recently found that the Sony MZ-R900 can play the extended length
discs fine, though it still won't record much over 320 minutes on
them. So, since the discs are playback compatable with modern Sonys
and probably recordable in Sharps, it seemed like it might be worth at
least checking to see how they do in the latest Sharp gear.
With this in mind, we're looking for more Miyadisc beta testers (see
http://www.minidisc.org/miyadisc if you don't know about these
blanks). We are interested in finding folks who can try these discs
in the Sharp units that were introduced subsequent to the
MD-MS701/702, i.e.: Sharp MD-MS721/722, -MT821, -MT831/832,
-MT66(MT866), -MT77(MT877), -MT770, -MT80/90 -MT88/99, -SR50/60/70/75,
-MT15/20. Also, modern Panasonic or JVC portable owners are invited to
participate.
Price: $5/blank inside US, $6/blank in Europe. Prices include shipping.
This is a limited offer intended for people who are really willing to
test the blanks (we are seeking essentially one or two testers per
piece of equipment). The beta test procedure is outlined in:
http://www.minidisc.org/miyadisc/beta_info.html (it will probably be
modified slightly before the beta discs ship).
If you are interested, please let me know what equipment you would be
willing to test them in.
Thanks,
Rick
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