MD: Better sound (fwd from Petr Simanek)

2000-09-08 Thread David W. Tamkin


Petr Simanek had trouble posting this and asked me to send it to MD-L.
Please direct any private replies (MD-L is configured to clobber Reply-To:
headers) to him at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

If you respond on the list, please be careful to fix your attribution so that
you credit Petr, not me, with any text of his that you quote.  ("Experiments
performed by Petr Simanek" was his own third-person reference to himself.) 

For the record, I disagree with him when he says,

S> Please note that you should not exceed the -6 dB recorded VOLUME.

One should try to get the volume of a digital recording as near as possible
to 0.0 dB without exceeding it.  The exception comes when two or more tracks
form a suite and the relative volumes of one track to another are important:
then one should get the peak amplitude of the entire suite as near as
possible to 0.0 dB without exceeding it.  DWT



S> HOW TO GET BETTER SOUND QUALITY OF YOUR MD RECORDINGS

S> (This is the result of experiments performed by Petr Simanek)

S> The following procedure applies for SONY JE520 and all newer SONY decks
S> with digital recording level adjustment (including the newest ones with
S> the Scale Factor Edit function). This applies for both digital and
S> analog recordings at such recorders.

S> For better understanding, please note the following:
S> When I write VOLUME, I mean the peak level shown by the LED indicator
S> bars during recording or playback.
S> When I write REC GAIN, I mean the recording gain set by the REC LEVEL
S> control and displayed as a number (e.g. -2.6 dB)

S> At the conventional CD (44.1 kHz, 16 bit resolution linear PCM) the
S> distortion is least at high volume near under the 0 dB threshold. At the
S> less volume the distortion increases due to quantization noise
S> (theoretically it doubles by every -6 dB).
S> When you listen to the audiophile test CD by 1 kHz at 0 or -6 dB you'll
S> hear no distortion. But when you listen to the same tone recorded at -60
S> or -80 dB, you WILL hear the significant distortion. Theoretically,
S> above the 0 dB threshold, the distortion will increase much more
S> dramatically, but no CD is recorded at that volume.
S> Unlike the CD, minidisc works with more resolution of 20 or 24 bits and
S> uses the floating point calculations. This results in the less
S> distortion at small levels.

S> A small example: If you have a test CD with 0/-20/-40/-60/-80 dB test
S> tones, play the 1 kHz  / -40 dB tone and record it to the MD with the
S> -40 dB gain. This will result in a 1 kHz / -80 dB recording. Now play
S> the recorded MD and the test CD at -80dB simultaneously and you will
S> hear the difference. The MD has the less distortion and noise. At -60 dB
S> the result will be similar.

S> When you record to the MD a simple tone, e.g. 1 kHz from a tone
S> generator or from a test CD, the sound quality (purity of tone) is
S> almost constant at higher volume up to 0 dB. Of course, everything above
S> the 0 dB threshold will be very distorted due to clipping.

S> But when you record a complex musical signal up to 0 dB, it will be more
S> distorted than the music recorded only up to the -6 dB or -10 dB volume.
S> I think it is because the ATRAC has only half number of bits to allocate
S> at -6 dB than at 0 dB and it works easier and more accurate. There was a
S> topic "do you hear ATRAC?" on MD-L and I can say: Yes, I can hear ATRAC
S> on my equipment (MD:Sony MDS-JB930,  CD: Sony CXP-JB630, Amplifier:
S> Harman/Kardon HK630,  Speakers: 2-way systems with AUDAX High End
S> speakers, Headphones: Koss Porta Pro, Speaker Cables: Monitor Cobra
S> Silver 6mm bi-wiring).

S> Of course I know that only the peaks reach up to 0 dB but I think if you
S> decrease the volume of all recorded music by about -6 dB, you'll get the
S> clearer, less distorted sound.

S> AND NOW THE MOST IMPORTANT:

S> At the older MD decks with analog REC LEVEL control (no digital REC
S> LEVEL control possibility - e.g. SONY 303, 500 and 510) you can set the
S> analog recording gain anyway you want. But you cannot do that at SONY
S> 520 and all newer SONY decks with digital recording level adjustment.
S> The following applies for both digital and analog recordings at such
S> decks, because the analog REC LEVEL works after the A/D conversion.

S> When you change the recording gain digitally, the recorder has to
S> recalculate the bits that represent the instantaneous amplitude of audio
S> signal except some special cases described below.

S> When you set the gain to -6.0 dB  /exactly 20*(log 0,5) = -6.0206 dB/,
S>  the recorder don't need recalculate the bits . Because this value means
S> exactly one half of the original volume, the recorder only shifts all
S> the bits in the byte toward right without further recalculations. This
S> results in no additional distortion. Of course you'll lose one bit of
S> total 20-24 bit resolution (in the other words you'll lose 6 dB of total
S> S/N ratio), but it doesn't matter when you record from the 16

Re: MD: better sound?

2000-05-02 Thread Magic


From: Ivica Petrovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: MD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 10:06 AM
Subject: MD: better sound?


>
> this is an excerpt from British magazine Hi-Fi news & record
> rewiev, May issue
>



It's a simple demonstration that shows people prefer the sound of one HiFi
component against another. It would also explain why some people prefer the
sound of Vinyl over CD - the overall tone may jest sound "nicer" to people
even if it isn't reproduced as accurately as it could be.

Magic
--
"Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound
is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration."

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Re: MD: better sound?

2000-05-02 Thread Matt Wall


this is going to possibly sound a bit harsh toward this and i do not mean it
with any negative attitude, but when the copying occured from the source to
the cd, was there any post digital processing done?  what i mean is, was it
possibly modified in any way from the original?  It leaves out IMO one
important question, and that is what was the middle man between these two
sources?  anyway i'm just being curious, because if there was any processing
done, that would say a whole heck of a lot.  if not, well i'd be curious to
hear the comparison too :)


-Original Message-
From: Ivica Petrovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: MD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 5:04 AM
Subject: MD: better sound?


>
>this is an excerpt from British magazine Hi-Fi news & record
>rewiev, May issue
>
>"The 1999 Hi-fi show was certainly intriguing...but the van den Hul demo
>somewhat threw me and I suspect many others as well. Mr. A J Hul was there
>himself, asking people for their views on the difference in sound between
>two
>alternative sources played through B&W 802s and his own amplifiers.
Everyone
>in the room agreed the first example seemed preferable, with a fuller, more
>focused sound. He carried out the comparison several times moreWe still
>thought the first sounded better, before he went on to tell us, with a wry
>smile, that we preferred a 16-bit\44.1 kHz CD being played on a Sony SACD
>player to the original 24-bit 96 kHz master tape on a Nagra D tape deck!
>What's more, he agreed with us."
>
>Comments? And they're talking about "we can't recommended MD format yet"?
>Maybe master tapes too?
>
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MD: better sound?

2000-05-02 Thread Ivica Petrovic


this is an excerpt from British magazine Hi-Fi news & record
rewiev, May issue

"The 1999 Hi-fi show was certainly intriguing...but the van den Hul demo
somewhat threw me and I suspect many others as well. Mr. A J Hul was there
himself, asking people for their views on the difference in sound between
two
alternative sources played through B&W 802s and his own amplifiers. Everyone
in the room agreed the first example seemed preferable, with a fuller, more
focused sound. He carried out the comparison several times moreWe still
thought the first sounded better, before he went on to tell us, with a wry
smile, that we preferred a 16-bit\44.1 kHz CD being played on a Sony SACD
player to the original 24-bit 96 kHz master tape on a Nagra D tape deck!
What's more, he agreed with us."

Comments? And they're talking about "we can't recommended MD format yet"?
Maybe master tapes too?


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