RE: MD: MD to PC?
> I believe there are daughter boards that you can buy to add a > digital input to SB Live. Yes from Hoontech, I have one (DBIII) for my SBLive and it works perfectly well, one issue to note the output is 48khz not 44. www.hoontech.com they are very good value for money. Regards GC - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD to PC?
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Thanks for your response. So from what you said, the optical out from the MDS-PC2 will work with sound card that has optical in? I have a SoundBlaster Live Plautinum 5.1 whch has a optical In and out. and I have cooledit too! So I guess I can buy MDS-PC2! ho ho ho. - Original Message - From: "KVE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 8:49 AM Subject: Re: MD: MD to PC? > > > Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:00:52 -0600 > > From: "Taky Cheung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: MD: MD to PC? > > > > === > > = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = > > = be more selective when quoting text = > > === > > > > Hi, I have been having such question for a long time. Does it mean, > > if I use > > MDS-PC2, I can have optical out from the unit to my PC??? I have > > Creative > > SB Live Platinum 5.1 that has both SPDIF and optical out. So, can I > > record > > songs back from Minidisc to PC using optical? and will it turns to a > > wave > > file??? > -- Well, first your card has to have a digital input (in case of > MDS-PC2, it probably has to have an optical input). I believe there are > daughter boards that you can buy to add a digital input to SB Live. And > when you have all of that setup, you have to have a program that will > record the signal from your MD deck, which you can then save as a WAV > file. Programs like CoolEdit, GoldWave, SoundForge, etc. There are have > to be some simpler (and cheaper) programs as well. > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > - > To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word > "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD to PC?
> The USB Audio spec has no provision for transferring auxiliary > data along with an audio stream. The spec needs to be extended here. There's no reason that an extended (or even new) spec for an MD recorder with native USB could not include track marks, titling, and faster than 1X transfer, as well as the all-important data flow control mechanism. The current method of transfer (real-time with absolutely continuous data flow) exploits the real-time weakness of Windows while not taking advantage of the inherent high-speed advantage of MD. Data is written to the MD in high-speed (5X) bursts from a buffer in the MD deck. Why constrain the process with 1X S/PDIF transfer from the PC? Allow Windows, via USB, to fill or empty the MD buffer as it chooses, probably a lot faster than 1X but in a bursty, not continuous, manner. A couple of other issues that provide needless complication to the 1X S/PDIF transfer process and almost certainly unnecessaily alter the audio data being transfered, namely the Windows media timer and the MD's sample rate converter; these issues are eliminated by an MD recorder with native USB. Sony seems to be against allowing MD audio to evolve into an MD data drive, probably because as a recording company as well as an equipment manufacturer, they're trying to play both sides of the fence with respect to the copyright issues and SCMS. I would be happy if they left the ATRAC encoding/decoding in the MD recorder, only allowing unencoded audio to flow over the USB, thereby sidestepping the issue. Doing this would allow them to add native USB support without evolving to MD data. Other advantages of native USB are that it is physically simple and fairly small, making it ideal for portable recorders. Also, due to the modest power requirements of portable MD, USB could supply the power, simplifying connection to a single cable, rather than the 4 (S/PDIF in, S/PDIF out, deck control/status, power) now required. I see nothing but advantages in putting a USB connector on an audio MD recorder. Doing so would allow MD to achieve almost every advantage portable MP3 players now claim, while retaining the many advantages that MD already has. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD to PC?
> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:00:52 -0600 > From: "Taky Cheung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: MD: MD to PC? > > === > = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = > = be more selective when quoting text = > === > > Hi, I have been having such question for a long time. Does it mean, > if I use > MDS-PC2, I can have optical out from the unit to my PC??? I have > Creative > SB Live Platinum 5.1 that has both SPDIF and optical out. So, can I > record > songs back from Minidisc to PC using optical? and will it turns to a > wave > file??? -- Well, first your card has to have a digital input (in case of MDS-PC2, it probably has to have an optical input). I believe there are daughter boards that you can buy to add a digital input to SB Live. And when you have all of that setup, you have to have a program that will record the signal from your MD deck, which you can then save as a WAV file. Programs like CoolEdit, GoldWave, SoundForge, etc. There are have to be some simpler (and cheaper) programs as well. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD to PC?
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Hi, I have been having such question for a long time. Does it mean, if I use MDS-PC2, I can have optical out from the unit to my PC??? I have Creative SB Live Platinum 5.1 that has both SPDIF and optical out. So, can I record songs back from Minidisc to PC using optical? and will it turns to a wave file??? Thanks - Original Message - From: "KVE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 12:01 PM Subject: Re: MD: MD to PC? > > > First, you need an MD with a digital output. So far as I know, there > > are no portables with digital out, only digital in, therefore > > you will have to use a home MD deck. Then you need a sound card with > > a digital INPUT, many have only digital output. The > > setup I use is a Sony MDS-PC2 deck with an Maudio DIO2448 sound card. > > (I have great reservations recommending the > > DIO2448, because it has severe timing problems that make its digital > > output useless, however the digital input works OK; > > perhaps the DIO2496 works better.) I use CoolEdit 2000 to record to > > a WAV file while the MD plays. This approach does > > NOT transfer track marks (in the form of separate WAV files for each > > track) or titling information, nor does it control the MD > > deck during the transfer; you must do that manually. > -- I am using almost the same setup as you, except that I use JE510. I > like DIO2448. I have not used it for output, but for input, I found > that there is a timing problem only if I use optical input. Now I pipe > the signal from JE510 into CO2 (Midiman's Coax-to-Optical converter) > via optical connection and from CO2 to DIO2496 via coaxial connection. > With maximum buffer sizes allocated in CoolEdit 2000 (Trial) I am yet > to loose any noticeble time. Figuring out track marks might take > another hour... > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > - > To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word > "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD to PC?
> First, you need an MD with a digital output. So far as I know, there > are no portables with digital out, only digital in, therefore > you will have to use a home MD deck. Then you need a sound card with > a digital INPUT, many have only digital output. The > setup I use is a Sony MDS-PC2 deck with an Maudio DIO2448 sound card. > (I have great reservations recommending the > DIO2448, because it has severe timing problems that make its digital > output useless, however the digital input works OK; > perhaps the DIO2496 works better.) I use CoolEdit 2000 to record to > a WAV file while the MD plays. This approach does > NOT transfer track marks (in the form of separate WAV files for each > track) or titling information, nor does it control the MD > deck during the transfer; you must do that manually. -- I am using almost the same setup as you, except that I use JE510. I like DIO2448. I have not used it for output, but for input, I found that there is a timing problem only if I use optical input. Now I pipe the signal from JE510 into CO2 (Midiman's Coax-to-Optical converter) via optical connection and from CO2 to DIO2496 via coaxial connection. With maximum buffer sizes allocated in CoolEdit 2000 (Trial) I am yet to loose any noticeble time. Figuring out track marks might take another hour... __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MD to PC?
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:41:48 -0500 > From: Timothy Stockman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > FLAME ON: > Sony (or other MD manufacturer) could address all of these > problems by introducing a recorder with NATIVE USB support > (not a computer connection add-on adapter). This would give us > the all-important missing item: data flow control. I pretty much agree, but there's more to it than that. Track marks, index marks, karaoke lyrics, any other auxiliary information that might be embedded in S/PDIF data stream are all discarded by most sound cards. We need to see this stuff preserved. The USB Audio spec has no provision for transferring auxiliary data along with an audio stream. The spec needs to be extended here. But really, all of that is a piss-poor solution to the problem; even if you get perfect transfers, you're forced to do them in real time. What we really really need is MD-Data drives that can rip audio, the same way CD-R/RW drives do, and at 40x speed. -- Howard Chu Chief Architect, Symas Corp. Director, Highland Sun http://www.symas.com http://highlandsun.com/hyc - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD to PC?
First, you need an MD with a digital output. So far as I know, there are no portables with digital out, only digital in, therefore you will have to use a home MD deck. Then you need a sound card with a digital INPUT, many have only digital output. The setup I use is a Sony MDS-PC2 deck with an Maudio DIO2448 sound card. (I have great reservations recommending the DIO2448, because it has severe timing problems that make its digital output useless, however the digital input works OK; perhaps the DIO2496 works better.) I use CoolEdit 2000 to record to a WAV file while the MD plays. This approach does NOT transfer track marks (in the form of separate WAV files for each track) or titling information, nor does it control the MD deck during the transfer; you must do that manually. FLAME ON: Sony (or other MD manufacturer) could address all of these problems by introducing a recorder with NATIVE USB support (not a computer connection add-on adapter). This would give us the all-important missing item: data flow control. Right now the flow of data to/from the MD must be absolutely continuous with no interruption. This conflicts with the inherently bursty nature of data flow in a PC (caused in large part by the process scheduling and virtual memory algorithms in Windows). Soundcards (and other peripherals) try to smooth out this bursty behavior with on-board buffers, but often they are too small to deal with the latency imposed by Windows, so buffer underruns (generally heard as popping or stuttering) result. On top of that, there's the growing trend in multimedia programs (Windows Media Player, for instance) to use the Windows media timer API to duplicate/delete samples with the intention of synchronizing MPEG video/audio being played back on a PC (which has no common clock source); this happens even when playing audio only, resulting in a "gurgling" sound. Luckily, CoolEdit does not use the multimedia timer for record or playback, instead recording/playing every sample in the file at whatever frequency the soundcard's clock is running. To really make real-time digital audio transfer work right, I suggest using a program like CoolEdit, have *lots* of RAM (>256 MB) and disable Windows Virtual Memory (disabling VM is a topic which requires a lenthly explanation, due to bugs in Windows). FLAME OFF: Sorry for the excessively technical nature of this post, but I've come to the conclusion that using a PC and an MD connected digitally is like "swimming upstream" at the current time. Maybe Sony or other MD manufacturers will address these problems! - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MD to PC? sony mz-r70dpc
> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:41:35 -0500 (EST) > From: Lalita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > hey guys! > > I use MD primarily for recording concerts, then transferring them to my > computer, editing, and burning them to cd. > > I currently have the mz-r50, and I've been hooking up my computer to my > stereo then my stereo to my md to do this. (??) > > instead, I want to have a digital connection between my md and pc.. I'm > also looking to purchase a new MD (just cuz :P). > > so do I just need to get a digital soundcard? > > what about the Sony MZ-R70DPC ? would I be able to both record from md to > pc and pc to md? this sounds more convienent than getting a digital > soundcard.. what's the difference? The Sony PC-link kits are only good for sending sound from the PC to an external recorder. You need something else if you want to record digitally from MD into the PC. Try the Roland UA30, EgoSys U2A, or Canopus MD-Port, all of which support both digital input and output over USB. By the way, if you don't have USB, then none of this makes any difference at all. The Sony PC-Link gear is also only for USB. If your computer doesn't have USB, then you need to have a sound card with digital I/O ports. By the way, I have the Canopus MD-Port, I ordered it through Japan-Direct.com. It's nice, perfect for the task: mini-optical input and output, hooks right up to my JB920 deck and my VAIO F190 laptop. It's a shame I can't read Japanese, but it's easy enough to use that the accompanying docs and software are irrelevant. -- Howard Chu Chief Architect, Symas Corp. Director, Highland Sun http://www.symas.com http://highlandsun.com/hyc - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD to PC...what to do?
Michael Manning wrote: > > I'm new to the MD world and tonight played some recorded sounds through my PC > but couldn't figure out how to save the tracks for editing. They played > beautifully through my SoundBlaster. What can I do to get them off the MD and > edit them? > Try Cool Edit. It works well. you can download it from http://www.tucows.com -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MD to PC...what to do?
Which version of the Soundblaster, and what software did you get with it? If it's the Live full version, then use Sound Forge XP that came with it. If not, you can use Sound Recorder that comes with Windows. You need to record the sound on your PC, it cannot be transferred directly as a file. You need to use the Soundblaster mixer program to tell it to record from the line in if that is what you are using. BTW, I was using my Soundblaster Live to do an analog transfer from my Sharp 702 recorder, and the results were not nearly as good as I get with a digital transfer on my Sharp MD-R2 deck. I lost a lot of the sizzle (like cymbal sounds, etc.). I thought it sounded pretty good until I compared it to the original, and to a digital transfer. Now I use a Toslink connection to a Hoontech Yamaha XG card and it sounds really great. -- Martin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Manning I'm new to the MD world and tonight played some recorded sounds through my PC but couldn't figure out how to save the tracks for editing. They played beautifully through my SoundBlaster. What can I do to get them off the MD and edit them? Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD to PC analog input, what is the best way?
> > Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:04:36 -0400 > From: "J. Coon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: MD: MD to PC analog input, what is the best way? > > I just installed my new sb live value card. When I record with it I > have to open up windows (win95) volume control and turn on the > particular input I want to record from. This procedure isn't very > obvious.You have to run the program, then go to options/properties, > select recording mixer, have it show the active inputs, click OK and > then you can select the input you want to record. You can only select > one input, and the whole procedure is rather awkward. > > Does anyone know of a program that is a little easier to get some > recorded material from a minidisc into my computer so I can email it to > some one? Hopefully it is not an expensive one. > With the mixer that is provided with LiveWare 2, you can record presets. So you just have to select your input and levels once and record the settings. And then depending on what your are doing (record from PC to MD, from MD to PC, plays games, watch TV, ...), you only have to chose the right preset. Many of them are already pre-defined. Emmanuel Thiry Happy using Sharp701, DenonDM7 and SB Live (wih optical I/O) together. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
