Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
That would work too. The ear buds were pretty cheap, and the cable was already split and labeled as to which is the right and which is the left. A lot of people that want to build one don't have anything to test the cable with. JT wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, J. Coon wrote: > > > > > Using the earphones works in a pinch but you are better off making or > > buying a condenser mike. Here is one that I designed that work well, > > and the parts cost about $10. > > http://www.tir.com/~liteways/Mandolin.html#Microphone > > And I'll still question why you buy earbuds just for the cable/connector... > wouldn't it be more sensible (and cheaper) to just buy a stereo 1/8" male to > male cable and use that? > > Josh > > - > To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word > "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
> > If you can't ever hear tell the difference, does it matter? I > > I submit that it does matter, for the reasons I mentioned in > my previous post that future technology will enable the ability to > vastly improve current recordings. This is applicable for the "pro market", on the other hand the "consumer market" has little interest in restoring their own recordings (people are ditching their LP's in droves - whilst I'll snap them up at 50c a LP :) :). If you are talking about making a live recording to keep as a master for possible restoration in the future .. then yes get the highest quality recording device you can "afford". But this segment of the market is extremely small. > And I'm not just thinking about restoring only the two track mix, I'm > thinking about the ability to separate out instruments and remix, and > create new soundstages and the like. With any lossy compression, that > sort of thing becomes much more difficult. Technically you are right, but do the "average" (a term I use loosely) consumer really care? If they did, then the hottest selling micro stereo systems don't have a right to exist. It's easy to get caught into the trap that "If I think the best recording medium is X, then everyone should be using that" ... Hi-Fi and PC's are the same, just cause I have a 1.4Ghz P4 then how could someone be using their P3 450 still. This applies to almost anything when you start to move right to the top, sport is particularly caught in this trap (using Tiger Woods golf clubs will not make you a champion golfer, Lance Armstongs Trek bicycle will not make you a Tour winner - does make you feel good though) > In the majority of cases, I cannot tell the difference between CD and > the ATRAC on my MZ-R90. However, I did a recording with it of some > acoustic guitar, where I didn't set the levels properly, and > I can hear a difference between the ATRAC and the DAT version. (I used > the R90 as a backup recorder, DAT optical out to R90 optical in.) But what is playing them back ? ... the CD and R-90?, if so this isn't a fair test. The R90 doesn't have digital out, hell it uses a combined line-out/headphone out ! You need to master them both back to CD digitally and listen with a common DAC (the most crucial element). You have to start comparing apples with apples. > I also notice a distinct decrease in quality when I start to > process the ATRAC stuff with EQ or reverb or dynamic compression, and the like. > There's something about it that doesn't like to be messed with. Naturally if you start messing with it, the compressed audio will be vastly different. Compressed audio is designed to be played back according to the way it was recorded in the first place, mess with it in post production then there is bound to be significant differences. > I totally agree that MD has its uses. That's why I own one. The only > reason for my first post on this subject was the statement that MD is > High Quality recording. I just don't think so. And I do record > concerts, and music for listening to on the train, and jams, and > sketches, and I want an LP4 deck so I can cram tons of music on it and > on and on... I don't think any of the LP recording methods on MD are likely to be that good (I can't verify this as I don't have one ... YET :) But as MD SP stands I think it's of sufficiently high quality for almost anything but producing an album (radio stations are using it for playback). > I was going to do this with some of my uncompressed PCM friends, but > it's interesting how they backpedal when you bring up a proper > doubleblind test. I may still do it however. I still really do want > to. Perhaps we can work out something? I'll be willing to help ... I can't help with the LP stuff but I have a full digital computer recording setup and MD with SP. Amazing how many people back-out of the true test when it's placed in-front of them. > Agree with you again. I only object when someone says that MD is high > quality recording, when it is middle quality recording. In the ultimate pro market YES MD is middle of the road (I was listening to some 96Hhz stuff that makes DAT looks like a dinosaur). But to the consumer market MD is high quality recording and in the value for money markets is streets (taking into fitness of use - cause who wants to go jogging with a CD walkman?) ahead of almost anything. Cheers GC - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, J. Coon wrote: > > Using the earphones works in a pinch but you are better off making or > buying a condenser mike. Here is one that I designed that work well, > and the parts cost about $10. > http://www.tir.com/~liteways/Mandolin.html#Microphone And I'll still question why you buy earbuds just for the cable/connector... wouldn't it be more sensible (and cheaper) to just buy a stereo 1/8" male to male cable and use that? Josh - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
For serious listening or recording maybe, but when I bought my md player (sharp mt77) I wanted something that could fill the role of a portable mp3 player but have the benifits of a tape/cd portable(like not having to spend an arm and a leg on additional storage) without being as bulky. There was the added benifit of knowing that mds had been around for a while so I probably wasn't going to see a new line come out the week after I bought my unit with 200% improvement over the old stuff. *grumble grumble stupid tech industry* Anyway I havent noticed any reason why LP2 isnt good enough for 90% of my day to day (aka non serious) use. Maybe LP4 would be good for that long noisy bus ride, but LP2 seems fine for a jog in the park or a car trip or just bumming around listening to music. -Jen > I guess it would sound good if you always listened to it in heavy > traffic riding on the bus. I think for serious listening or recording, > you are better off with standard MD. > > Some infidels look down on MD as inferior because it uses ATRAC in the > first place, can you imagine their comments on the new LP stuff. "Wow, > have you heard those MD recorders? They sure play a long time but the > sound is crap!" > > > Just my humble opinion of course. I'll stick to regular MD any time. > > I have recorded on my R30 and got a copy that was good enough to submit > for a CD compilation, and so have a lot of other people. I'm sure they > won't be able to do that with the LP mode. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
Steve Corey wrote: > > In the majority of cases, I cannot tell the difference between CD and > the ATRAC on my MZ-R90. However, I did a recording with it of some > acoustic guitar, where I didn't set the levels properly, and I can hear > a difference between the ATRAC and the DAT version. (I used the R90 as > a backup recorder, DAT optical out to R90 optical in.) I think that is because the levels weren't set correctly. If you are going to compare them, they need to be set properly to begin with. > > I totally agree that MD has its uses. That's why I own one. The only > reason for my first post on this subject was the statement that MD is > High Quality recording. I just don't think so. And I do record > concerts, and music for listening to on the train, and jams, and > sketches, and I want an LP4 deck so I can cram tons of music on it and > on and on... > > Agree with you again. I only object when someone says that MD is high > quality recording, when it is middle quality recording. I think this is a matter of perspective. Compared to a cassette tape recorder that most people use, it is high quality, compared to CD it is close to the same, compared to DAT, it may be middle quality in your mind, but I think the quality is still pretty high. -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
"Churchill, Guy" wrote: > If you can't ever hear tell the difference, does it matter? I I submit that it does matter, for the reasons I mentioned in my previous post that future technology will enable the ability to vastly improve current recordings. It's like the Caruso restorations. They used the best quality recording technology at the time, which the majority of people thought was high quality recording, but still, there was too much information lost, and the restorations, while good, are still not great. Perhaps in the future it will be possible to restore the complete sound of the Caruso recordings. For that matter it may be possible to restore the complete sound of Bach playing the organ. But why make it more difficult that it has to be. And I'm not just thinking about restoring only the two track mix, I'm thinking about the ability to separate out instruments and remix, and create new soundstages and the like. With any lossy compression, that sort of thing becomes much more difficult. > will challenge anyone in a doubleblind listening test to identify > the difference between CD and the latest ATRAC version. If you can, > then you are certainly in the minority. For the rest of the world In the majority of cases, I cannot tell the difference between CD and the ATRAC on my MZ-R90. However, I did a recording with it of some acoustic guitar, where I didn't set the levels properly, and I can hear a difference between the ATRAC and the DAT version. (I used the R90 as a backup recorder, DAT optical out to R90 optical in.) I also notice a distinct decrease in quality when I start to process the ATRAC stuff with EQ or reverb or dynamic compression, and the like. There's something about it that doesn't like to be messed with. > _snip examples of MD uses_ I totally agree that MD has its uses. That's why I own one. The only reason for my first post on this subject was the statement that MD is High Quality recording. I just don't think so. And I do record concerts, and music for listening to on the train, and jams, and sketches, and I want an LP4 deck so I can cram tons of music on it and on and on... > Here is an experiment just WAITING to be done ... pick a piece > of music, something simple but complex (dynamic range, tempo, > instrument placement). Do a digital recording in SP, LP2, LP4 > dump back to CD digitally and compare on a reference system. > (remembering that the recording can only be a s good as the > original). Make the WAV files available for all, so that > others can burn a CD and make a decision for themselves. 30 sec > clips should be enough (x3 = approx 15Mb download) I was going to do this with some of my uncompressed PCM friends, but it's interesting how they backpedal when you bring up a proper doubleblind test. I may still do it however. I still really do want to. Perhaps we can work out something? > > It amazes me that people will spend thousands of dollars on their > > instruments, including microphones and preamps and other miscellaneous > > recording gear, and then balk at shelling out $700 for a DAT. Instead > > they go for a $200 MD. (I'm just going with rock bottom here.) And then > > they throw away a lot of the signal. Does it sound great? Yes. Does > > it sound as good as it could? No. Plus you have severely > > degraded your chances of future restoration possibilities. > > What amazes me more, is people who spend $1000's on Hi-Fi and put it > in a 10'x10' room, full of furniture and wonder why it doesn't sound > that good. Total agreement with you here. > > MD has many uses. Long Play mode is one of them. Recording music is > > one of them. I will even go so far as to suggest that recording music > > in a LP mode is one of them (oh, no! heresy!) But don't delude yourself > > that you are getting high quality recordings in whatever MD mode you > > use. > > Don't delude yourself you are getting an "exact" copy, but do recognise > that using 5:1 compression, MD is probably giving you the best damn > "real time" compressed recording available. "Fitness of use" :) Agree with you again. I only object when someone says that MD is high quality recording, when it is middle quality recording. -steve - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
Using the earphones works in a pinch but you are better off making or buying a condenser mike. Here is one that I designed that work well, and the parts cost about $10. http://www.tir.com/~liteways/Mandolin.html#Microphone Anthony Lalande wrote: > On the other hand, a friend of mine has discovered that he was able to get > quite a clear sound by plugging his earphones in the microphone jack. I > listened to a recording he made with a friend, each person talking in one > side of the earphone, and the stereo separation gives interesting results > when listening to the recording. -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
> First off, I absolutely love my MZ-R90. Now onto rant mode: I think everyone here "loves" their MD gear. (sometimes just a little tooo much :) > I do play music, and I am looking for super long recordings. > If I want quality recording I go DAT. Don't kid yourself, MD > is lossy compression, is not CD quality, and is unsuitable for > archiving (or mastering for a CD, if you prefer) for that reason. The question is not over the actual technical ability for MD to faithfully reproduce CD sound ... the key is in the users *perception* that MD is CD quality. No-one debates the fact that compression using ATRAC = data loss, but can people tell? I can point to the fact that the AC3 5.1 soundtrack is actually of lower quality then CD, but do people complain? ... NO. And that's because of "fitness of use". If you can't ever hear tell the difference, does it matter? I will challenge anyone in a doubleblind listening test to identify the difference between CD and the latest ATRAC version. If you can, then you are certainly in the minority. For the rest of the world population MD meets "fitness of use", this can include (but not exclusively limited to) archiving, portable audio, master recordings, car audio, bootlegs and any other of the 1000's of uses MD has been put to. LP2/LP4 also have their use ... whilst I can't attest to having "actually" listened to a LP4 recording, I can imagine what they may sound like based on my MP3 experiments and the effect of ever reducing bit-rates can have on recordings. Taking this into consideration LP2/LP4 will certainly have their use ... LP4 seems to be the ticket for lectures, talking books, Whilst LP2 seems a candidate for portable audio, car audio and other places where external noises interfere with sound quality. Here is an experiment just WAITING to be done ... pick a piece of music, something simple but complex (dynamic range, tempo, instrument placement). Do a digital recording in SP, LP2, LP4 dump back to CD digitally and compare on a reference system. (remembering that the recording can only be a s good as the original). Make the WAV files available for all, so that others can burn a CD and make a decision for themselves. 30 sec clips should be enough (x3 = approx 15Mb download) > It amazes me that people will spend thousands of dollars on their > instruments, including microphones and preamps and other miscellaneous > recording gear, and then balk at shelling out $700 for a DAT. Instead > they go for a $200 MD. (I'm just going with rock bottom here.) And then > they throw away a lot of the signal. Does it sound great? Yes. Does > it sound as good as it could? No. Plus you have severely > degraded your chances of future restoration possibilities. What amazes me more, is people who spend $1000's on Hi-Fi and put it in a 10'x10' room, full of furniture and wonder why it doesn't sound that good. > MD has many uses. Long Play mode is one of them. Recording music is > one of them. I will even go so far as to suggest that recording music > in a LP mode is one of them (oh, no! heresy!) But don't delude yourself > that you are getting high quality recordings in whatever MD mode you > use. Don't delude yourself you are getting an "exact" copy, but do recognise that using 5:1 compression, MD is probably giving you the best damn "real time" compressed recording available. "Fitness of use" :) L8R GC - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
Will asked, tersely, | does LP sound good? thats what i want to know. I have to agree with Ed Heckman here; to my ears, LP2 is good enough for en- joying most music, and LP4 is plenty good enough for speech. Also, sometimes I'll record music from the radio while I'm busy or asleep and not available to listen to it, and I'm not interested in the listening experience of it so much as tracking the playlist; for that LP4 is more than adequate. If you can find an LP demo unit in a store or if you have a friend who already owns one, listen to an LP track and reach your own conclusion. A lot depends on your listening purpose and listening environment. If you'll be listening in a noisy place, or if you want background accompaniment for what you are doing rather than the experience of getting lost in the music, the quality may not be so critical for you. I'll also agree with Steve Corey, strangely enough. Even SP mode on MDs is lossy, so it's not a question of yes or no but one of how far. So as you can see, it's a subjective call. For a data point, my subjective call is as follows, and the rest of this post is strictly my own opinion, not intended as a recommendation to anyone and certainly not as a representation of immutable fact. If I'm time-shifting a radio program, then if I want to enjoy the music and then delete the recording, I'd use LP2; if I want just to identify the songs and delete it, I'd use LP4; if I might want to keep the recording or sections of it to play and enjoy again, and especially if I'm thinking of ripping it to hard disk or dubbing it to CD, I'd use SP. For a live performance, I'd go for SP: that's consistent with my position on radio broadcasts, because the only reason to record a performance that one is attending is to listen to it again. By the same token, if I'm not there but someone there is recording it for me to hear once, LP2 would do. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
First off, I absolutely love my MZ-R90. Now onto rant mode: "J. Coon" wrote: > > No, I haven't listened to it at all. It is just that when I record Sounds like one of those "infidels look down on MD as inferior because it uses ATRAC" as you put it in another post. You're doing the same thing. > LP isn't the quality I am looking for in MD equipment and I doubt if > anyone the plays music will want it either. They aren't looking for > super long recordings, they are looking for high quality recordings so > they can use the material in the future if they want to. I do play music, and I am looking for super long recordings. If I want quality recording I go DAT. Don't kid yourself, MD is lossy compression, is not CD quality, and is unsuitable for archiving (or mastering for a CD, if you prefer) for that reason. In the future there will be great advances in audio restoration capabilities, and the higher quality you record now, will only make future restoration easier. MD does not fit into this picture. It amazes me that people will spend thousands of dollars on their instruments, including microphones and preamps and other miscelaneous recording gear, and then balk at shelling out $700 for a DAT. Instead they go for a $200 MD. (I'm just going with rock bottom here.) And then they throw away a lot of the signal. Does it sound great? Yes. Does it sound as good as it could? No. Plus you have severely degraded your chances of future restoration possibilities. MD has many uses. Long Play mode is one of them. Recording music is one of them. I will even go so far as to suggest that recording music in a LP mode is one of them (oh, no! heresy!) But don't delude yourself that you are getting high quality recordings in whatever MD mode you use. -steve - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
> [snip] > > Where I can truly see a use, is for lecture / seminar recording, or > personally for recording audio books. > Agreed. As a student myself, I have toyed with the idea of recording lectures on my Sharp MT-831. Though it's not LP by any measure, I can still assure quite a bit of recording time on 1 MD by recording in Mono. In the same way that ATRAC compresses by removing imperceptible audio data, I can do the same by removing 1 of the redundant audio channels recorded with a mono mic. On the other hand, a friend of mine has discovered that he was able to get quite a clear sound by plugging his earphones in the microphone jack. I listened to a recording he made with a friend, each person talking in one side of the earphone, and the stereo separation gives interesting results when listening to the recording. If someone were serious about recording and perhaps archiving class lectures, it might be possible to get a [1] stereo microphone and attempts to record the teacher on one channel, and any class discussion on the other. [1] http://www.planetminidisc.com/ecm-ds70p.html Cheers, - Anthony L. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
Ed Heckman wrote: > I was one of those people that posted my opinion of LP. I did a short > comparison test between the LP and regular modes. I could hear a > difference between standard mode and LP2. But I had to listen for it. > This difference will probably not be apparent under normal listing > conditions. As a result I'm REALLY looking forward to being able to > install a MiniDisc head unit in my car that supports LP. > > LP4 mode does make some noticeable impact on the sound quality. If your > hearing is damaged you may or may not notice a difference. But it's STILL > better than most MP3's I've heard. MP3 doesn't make it for anything except getting a copy off the internet of something that you don't care if it doesn't sound like it should. MP3, LP4 and LP2 won't be useful for anyone that wants to record something that they may want to use show other people. IMHO. > In short, standard mode is for those times when sound quality is most > important, LP2 is great for day-to-day use, and LP4 is perfect for those > times when recording time is most important. Well, I'd say standard mode is close to CD or DAT quality, LP2 OK to copy music from a CD or another source, not live music, LP4 could be used for recording a filibuster, court proceedings,etc, but not useful for music. > > IMNSHO, units without LP are history. IMHO, you would be better off to just record it in mono and keep the sound quality high. In Mono you can put 149 to 160 minutes on the recording. -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 01:08:32 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > IMNSHO, units without LP are history. In what way? I can sorta see that new units may struggle to compete without these features. But as you've alluded to, yourself - I suspect many MD users may never use it. For normal musics MDs I don't think I would - long car journeys may alter that, but I don't really do that often enough to worry about. Whilst with my current use in the car, changing MDs whilst on the move, is not easily, or safely, possible - a 74 or 80 min MD with plenty of varying music on, is likely to keep me entertained for a good couple of hours - after which I should probably make a stop, whilst driving, in order to keep my attention and driving safe. I also quite like recording audio from DVD films to MD - and as 74 and 80 min MDs rarely - if ever - manage to get the whole film - theres a possiblity that LP *could* be useful - but I'm not convinced whether I'd wanna take a hit on sound quality, but in fairness, when listening in the car - sound quality is not the highest importance. Where I can truly see a use, is for lecture / seminar recording, or personally for recording audio books. I guess the MD format has to be careful here, though, in matching the needs of those that find it useful, with the perception of it's affects on sound quality whilst trying to compete with MP3 players. All that said - I hardly think this functionality will be the death for non-LP compatible devices - simply because of the lack of backward compatibility, and the niche that I think these features fall into. Neil ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
At 1/8/01 11:28 PM, J. Coon wrote: >No, I haven't listened to it at all. It is just that when I record >something, I want it to be very close the original. MD is very close >to CD quality. However, from the reports of people that have posted >their experiance to the list, they can tell a difference between >standard MD and LP mode. As I recall, they said the extra long play >mode on some of the units is only good for recording lectures. I was one of those people that posted my opinion of LP. I did a short comparison test between the LP and regular modes. I could hear a difference between standard mode and LP2. But I had to listen for it. This difference will probably not be apparent under normal listing conditions. As a result I'm REALLY looking forward to being able to install a MiniDisc head unit in my car that supports LP. LP4 mode does make some noticeable impact on the sound quality. If your hearing is damaged you may or may not notice a difference. But it's STILL better than most MP3's I've heard. In short, standard mode is for those times when sound quality is most important, LP2 is great for day-to-day use, and LP4 is perfect for those times when recording time is most important. IMNSHO, units without LP are history. Ed "What the" Heckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] +--+ | The work praises the man.| | (Irish proverb) | +--+ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
No, I haven't listened to it at all. It is just that when I record something, I want it to be very close the original. MD is very close to CD quality. However, from the reports of people that have posted their experiance to the list, they can tell a difference between standard MD and LP mode. As I recall, they said the extra long play mode on some of the units is only good for recording lectures. LP isn't the quality I am looking for in MD equipment and I doubt if anyone the plays music will want it either. They aren't looking for super long recordings, they are looking for high quality recordings so they can use the material in the future if they want to. las wrote: > > "J. Coon" wrote: > > > I have recorded on my R30 and got a copy that was good enough to submit > > for a CD compilation, and so have a lot of other people. I'm sure they > > won't be able to do that with the LP mode. > > > > Jim are you saying that based on actual double blind listening studies that > you conducted? OK, lets not get so technical. Have you listened to both > and in your opinion with the trained ears of a musician and feel that > regular ATRAC sounds better? > > After 25 years or so of having a highspeed drill blast my ears, I no longer > consider myself qualified to judge. > > If you feel strongly enough that LP is not as good as standard MD, then that > is good enough for me. > > Larry > > - > To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word > "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
> After 25 years or so of having a highspeed drill blast my ears, I no longer > consider myself qualified to judge. Well Larry, if you can't judge yourself, why not get more recording time? People are so worried about what others think of their own idea of fidelity. If you think LP4 sounds great, listen to it, and brag that you get 320 minutes of record time and are happy. I love this board, but so many people are worried about pleasing the few audiophiles that actually read these messages. It's been a long day Dan Scellen - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
"J. Coon" wrote: > I have recorded on my R30 and got a copy that was good enough to submit > for a CD compilation, and so have a lot of other people. I'm sure they > won't be able to do that with the LP mode. > Jim are you saying that based on actual double blind listening studies that you conducted? OK, lets not get so technical. Have you listened to both and in your opinion with the trained ears of a musician and feel that regular ATRAC sounds better? After 25 years or so of having a highspeed drill blast my ears, I no longer consider myself qualified to judge. If you feel strongly enough that LP is not as good as standard MD, then that is good enough for me. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
I guess it would sound good if you always listened to it in heavy traffic riding on the bus. I think for serious listening or recording, you are better off with standard MD. Some infidels look down on MD as inferior because it uses ATRAC in the first place, can you imagine their comments on the new LP stuff. "Wow, have you heard those MD recorders? They sure play a long time but the sound is crap!" Just my humble opinion of course. I'll stick to regular MD any time. I have recorded on my R30 and got a copy that was good enough to submit for a CD compilation, and so have a lot of other people. I'm sure they won't be able to do that with the LP mode. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > does LP sound good? thats what i want to know. Cuz i just go tthe sony > MZ-R90. . > > -WiLL > - > To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word > "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i know, i wanted to know if LP sounds as good as regular recording - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
But the MZ-R90 doesn't suppport LP... - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 6:16 PM Subject: Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900 > > does LP sound good? thats what i want to know. Cuz i just go tthe sony > MZ-R90. . > > -WiLL > - > To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word > "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
does LP sound good? thats what i want to know. Cuz i just go tthe sony MZ-R90. . -WiLL - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
Leon: Thanks for the info/translation! Exactly what I was looking for. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900
A summary from Sony's own comparison table in Japanese: (http://www.walkman.sony.co.jp/prod/md_rec/kino.html) All 3 are compatible with MDLP. The E700 is functionally identical to the E900, but doesn't have magnesium alloy casing. weight - unit only / unit with rech. battery E500 - 76g / 101g E700 - 85g / 110g E900 - 58g / 83 g size including projecting parts: E500 - 77 by 19 by 81mm E700 - 80.5 by 15 by 75mm E900 - 79.5 by 14 by 72mm The E500 comes with Ni-Cd rechargeable battery (NC-6WM, 600mAh); its supplied charger takes 3 hours to do a full charge. The other two has Ni-MH (NH-14WM), but their chargers only take 1.5 hours to fully charge the battery. Playback on rechargeable battery only (SP/LP2/LP4): E500 - 14/16/18 hours E900 and E700 - 29/33/37 hours All 3 have the same power consumption, though: they all achieve 42/49/58 hours on an AA alkaline battery. the E500 doesn't have: - personal disc memory - program play - playback speed control - timer The E500's remote display is not backlit. However, according to a Japanese message board: a Sony remote that has backlight will light up when plugged into the E500. Leon on 1/7/01 12:05 AM, Dan Frakes at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Has anyone seen a comprehensive comparisions of these three units? I'm > looking at them on the Micmic web site and they are $195, $220 and $235, > respectively. I see that there are slight differences in size, and I > believe the E500 doesn't have LP mode, but I'd like to know exactly what > each has relative to the others. > - > To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word > "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]