Re: MD: mics for Sony Mzr70
I record with an electret condensor mike and if I switch to the low mike sensitivity setting, it records fine on my Sony R30. Danilo Godec wrote: > > On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, J. Coon wrote: > > > It isn't the mike that overloads. THe R70 doesn't have a mike > > sensitivity switch so the R70 overloads. You should still be able to > > record just fine by manually setting the record level lower, but you > > will have problems if you want to use the automatic record level > > function that is the default record mode. > > Are you sure? Once I tried to record a live concert and no matter how low > I set the recording level, the recorded sound was always distorted. > That's what brought me to the conclusion that it was indeed the mike that > overloaded and I was going to try the same thing with a different mike - > but haven't gotten so far yet. > > D. > > - > To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word > "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: mics for Sony Mzr70
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, J. Coon wrote: > It isn't the mike that overloads. THe R70 doesn't have a mike > sensitivity switch so the R70 overloads. You should still be able to > record just fine by manually setting the record level lower, but you > will have problems if you want to use the automatic record level > function that is the default record mode. Are you sure? Once I tried to record a live concert and no matter how low I set the recording level, the recorded sound was always distorted. That's what brought me to the conclusion that it was indeed the mike that overloaded and I was going to try the same thing with a different mike - but haven't gotten so far yet. D. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: mics for Sony Mzr70
It isn't the mike that overloads. THe R70 doesn't have a mike sensitivity switch so the R70 overloads. You should still be able to record just fine by manually setting the record level lower, but you will have problems if you want to use the automatic record level function that is the default record mode. Phil DiPietro wrote: > > What's the best way to go for mics on this model?For recordings at clubs? > I'm thinking sound professionels split mics with the battery modulator > > Evidently the littel sony t mic or the electret stereo mics overload. Am I > right on this...? > Any responses on or off list would be superb! > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > - > To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word > "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: mics for Sony Mzr70
What's the best way to go for mics on this model?For recordings at clubs? I'm thinking sound professionels split mics with the battery modulator Evidently the littel sony t mic or the electret stereo mics overload. Am I right on this...? Any responses on or off list would be superb! _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: mics and mini disks..
On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Al Kohout wrote: Hi, > Does a MZR37 or MZR 50 require a mic to have its own power? No. Almost all portable MD provide power to the mic connection, which is intended for use with powered mics (they use to be more sensitive than the non-powered ones). But, if you use an external box to: - power an electret mic and raise its output level to line level - raise the output level of a non-powered mic to line level You'd be able to simply plug that output to the line-in of your portable: mic <-> external box <--> portable's line in ... maybe with the added bonus of having pass filters to eliminate very low frequencies (roll-off) that could cause rumble in the recording and other goodies. > That is can I not use a standard microphone? Not directly to the mic connection. You could raise its output level to line level with an external adapter. > Does it have to have a battery? If you use mic that needs power, you can plug it directly to the mic-in, the portable will power it. There's no need for external battery. Some powered mics that have batteries need also to draw power from its mic connection, or can use either, so it depends highly on the mic you're using. Which mic is? > also..can I run to the mini disk recorder from the sound system using > line in? do I use a stereo mini or mono? Stereo mini. Hope it helps, *---(*)---**--> Francisco J. Montilla System & Network administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] irc: pukkaSevilleSpain INSFLUG (LiNUX) Coordinator: www.insflug.org - ftp.insflug.org - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Mics
Yes, the mike uses the box power, and since it is more voltage than is available from the recorder, you get a better signal from the mike and can use the line in. -- Martin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Edd Farmer Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 7:32 AM To: Minidisc mail-list Subject: Re: MD: Mics >Sure, the mike doesn't care. Just make a battery box, plug them mike into a >jack on one end, put a cord and plug on the other end and plug it into the >line input. The mike doesn't care where the power comes from. This way >youcan use it with or with out the battery box and use the plug in power. Hang on. So if you use the battery-box with the mic. for outdoor recordings, does this mean that the mic. uses the box's power instead of the MD's power? Edd - who's probably feeling a little bit dense at present - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mics
>Sure, the mike doesn't care. Just make a battery box, plug them mike into a >jack on one end, put a cord and plug on the other end and plug it into the >line input. The mike doesn't care where the power comes from. This way >youcan use it with or with out the battery box and use the plug in power. Hang on. So if you use the battery-box with the mic. for outdoor recordings, does this mean that the mic. uses the box's power instead of the MD's power? Edd - who's probably feeling a little bit dense at present - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mics
> > Ah, so this is what was happening when I recorded a concert a few months > > ago. It was my first attempt at recording in a very noisy venue, and the bass > > was overwhelming! > > > > So would I do to fix this problem on future recordings? > > Use a power source for the mics other than the "plug in power" (like a battery > box) and use the line input instead of the mic input. > > > I'm pretty much > > still new to the world of live MD recordings, so I really don't know what I > > could do to fix this problem... I would prefer to keep my binaural mics > > instead of buying different ones, if that's even possible... I agree with Chris, and he's being humble here because he could've easily pitched his own inline power supplies. So I will. I use a Sound Professionals Brand Deluxe Inline Box with per/channel bass roll-off adjustment and it always provides good clean signal whether I use it with the AT933s I got there on my PCM-M1 DAT or my MZ-R30 MD (and I use the mic inputs on both with punchy levels ... you are probably even safer using the line input on the deck, but I find I can make finer adjustments in the levels going "mic in" Go check out his website it's at: > http://www.soundprofessionals.com > - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mics
Sure, the mike doesn't care. Just make a battery box, plug them mike into a jack on one end, put a cord and plug on the other end and plug it into the line input. The mike doesn't care where the power comes from. This way youcan use it with or with out the battery box and use the plug in power. I think there is a diagram for it on the MD comunity page... look under construction. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 1/28/00 2:48:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Use a power source for the mics other than the "plug in power" (like a > > battery > > box) and use the line input instead of the mic input. > > Can you retrofit an existing mike to use a battery box? > > Thanks, > CJ > - > To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word > "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jim Coon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mics
In a message dated 1/28/00 2:48:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Use a power source for the mics other than the "plug in power" (like a > battery > box) and use the line input instead of the mic input. Can you retrofit an existing mike to use a battery box? Thanks, CJ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mics
Hi Jason, > I was going to buy a Soundprofessional AT 853 mic soon. I've heard this is a great >sounding mic, but would >this also be the solution to the clipping problem? Also, is >this one of the best for recording loud indoor >(and outdoor) gigs I would suggest looking into Core Sound mics. Check out www.core-sound.com They have some great mics that record very, very loud concerts without clipping. They are very excellent. Tony - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mics
Hello: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 1/26/00 7:51:43 PM Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > /|\/|\ Right. It could also be caused by "brick walling" the mic input, where > the signal coming into the mic input is so high that it is completely > distorted. No adjustment of the recording level (automatically or manually) > will fix this problem. /|\/|\ > > Ah, so this is what was happening when I recorded a concert a few months > ago. It was my first attempt at recording in a very noisy venue, and the bass > was overwhelming! > > So would I do to fix this problem on future recordings? Use a power source for the mics other than the "plug in power" (like a battery box) and use the line input instead of the mic input. > I'm pretty much > still new to the world of live MD recordings, so I really don't know what I > could do to fix this problem... I would prefer to keep my binaural mics > instead of buying different ones, if that's even possible... > > ~Zach > http://start.at/cens - The Cutting Edge of Nothing Significant > - > To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word > "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Chris Carfagno The Sound Professionals 1-800-213-3021 1-856-629-1619 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soundprofessionals.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mics
They don't likely want you pluggin in because they need all the channels on the board they use, and an extra minidisc, if someone else doesn't know that's in charge, would likely be a pain. Just one more thing the sound guy would have to worry about, that's all. At 10:08 AM 1/27/00 +1100, you wrote: > >Yowdy, > >The other night i recorded my first live gig on my MD. The sound guy wouldn't let me plug into the desk, even though the band requested it. Luckily i took along my mic. It was given to me as a gift by minidiscweb, due to the fact that i' requested a blue unit but they only had white. The mic ain't that great; it's a Aiwa Stereo condenser microphone CM-TS22 (marked as a business/live recording microphone). >Anyway the recording is pretty good but quite distorted. It was a pretty loud PA, in a smallish bar. It doesn't sound to me like digital distortion (i had my R91 on auto rec. level setting), so i'm guessing it would be the mic that was clipping. On playback however, the signal sits pretty well on full (i'm guessing the wave form has pretty straight edges due to the clipping?). > >I was going to buy a Soundprofessional AT 853 mic soon. I've heard this is a great sounding mic, but would this also be the solution to the clipping problem? Also, is this one of the best for recording loud indoor (and outdoor) gigs? > >Cheers, >Jason > >EOM > >NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] >- >To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word >"unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Brent Harding Watch ads for over $20 per hour! Visit this site to join ad vision! http://www.bepaid.com/users.rhtml?REFID=10160429 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mics
~Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > /|\/|\ Right. It could also be caused by "brick walling" the mic input, where > the signal coming into the mic input is so high that it is completely > distorted. No adjustment of the recording level (automatically or manually) > will fix this problem. /|\/|\ > > Ah, so this is what was happening when I recorded a concert a few months > ago. It was my first attempt at recording in a very noisy venue, and the bass > was overwhelming! > > So would I do to fix this problem on future recordings? I'm pretty much > still new to the world of live MD recordings, so I really don't know what I > could do to fix this problem... I would prefer to keep my binaural mics > instead of buying different ones, if that's even possible... If you're hearing mic pre-amp overload distortion (also known as "brickwalling") there are two solutions: reduce the level coming out of the microphones using an attenuator cable, or feed a lower gain input like the line level input. If your mic needs the recorder to provide a voltage, you're out of luck with both solutions as the attenuator cable will affect the voltage and the line level input doesn't provide a voltage. In that case, the solution is to use an external power supply for your mics (a "battery box"). Then use the attenuator cable or the line input. Hope this helps! Len Moskowitz Stealth Microphones (tm), Cables, Interfaces Core Soundhttp://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey http://www.core-sound.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Mics
Beware of trying to estimate what the volume will be like at a live event by using your stereo. I tried that when I got my Sound Professionals AT853 mikes, and it was not even close to the volume at the concert. Even though it hurt my ears in my office where I tried it, it didn't come within 20db of being as loud as the concert. And at the concert, it did not hurt my ears. -- Martin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of J. Coon Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 8:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: Mics When you record loud gigs, you should put the Sony in manual record level instead of auto level. When you see the signal level at the top, it will clip no matter what mike you are using. Put it in manual and set it lower, it probably isn't the mike that is doing the clipping, but the recorder. Try it at home and record your stereo with it at or near full volume. Quick, like a bunny, record some in auto and then switch to manual and drop the recording level. by now, your neighbors have probably called the cops, so turn the stereo back down and listen to the results. I think you will find it is the level setting that is doing it. "Lynch, Jason JD" wrote: - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Mics
Jason, I have recorded loud indoor and outdoor concerts with the SP AT853 mikes (I was right in front of a speaker tower at an outdoor concert) and only had problems with clipping when I set the record volume too high on my Sharp 702 the first time I recorded with it (outside). Once I learned to leave some headroom for very high levels, I have not had any clipping since. I use the SP premium battery box plugged into the line input of my 702. I have been very happy with the quality of the mikes. -- Martin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lynch, Jason JD Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 6:08 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: MD: Mics Yowdy, The other night i recorded my first live gig on my MD. The sound guy wouldn't let me plug into the desk, even though the band requested it. Luckily i took along my mic. It was given to me as a gift by minidiscweb, due to the fact that i' requested a blue unit but they only had white. The mic ain't that great; it's a Aiwa Stereo condenser microphone CM-TS22 (marked as a business/live recording microphone). Anyway the recording is pretty good but quite distorted. It was a pretty loud PA, in a smallish bar. It doesn't sound to me like digital distortion (i had my R91 on auto rec. level setting), so i'm guessing it would be the mic that was clipping. On playback however, the signal sits pretty well on full (i'm guessing the wave form has pretty straight edges due to the clipping?). I was going to buy a Soundprofessional AT 853 mic soon. I've heard this is a great sounding mic, but would this also be the solution to the clipping problem? Also, is this one of the best for recording loud indoor (and outdoor) gigs? Cheers, Jason - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mics
In a message dated 1/26/00 7:51:43 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: /|\/|\ Right. It could also be caused by "brick walling" the mic input, where the signal coming into the mic input is so high that it is completely distorted. No adjustment of the recording level (automatically or manually) will fix this problem. /|\/|\ Ah, so this is what was happening when I recorded a concert a few months ago. It was my first attempt at recording in a very noisy venue, and the bass was overwhelming! So would I do to fix this problem on future recordings? I'm pretty much still new to the world of live MD recordings, so I really don't know what I could do to fix this problem... I would prefer to keep my binaural mics instead of buying different ones, if that's even possible... ~Zach http://start.at/cens - The Cutting Edge of Nothing Significant - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mics
Hello: Lynch, Jason JD wrote: > Yowdy, > > The other night i recorded my first live gig on my MD. The sound guy wouldn't let me >plug into the desk, even though the band requested it. Luckily i took along my mic. >It was given to me as a gift by minidiscweb, due to the fact that i' requested a blue >unit but they only had white. The mic ain't that great; it's a Aiwa Stereo condenser >microphone CM-TS22 (marked as a business/live recording microphone). > Anyway the recording is pretty good but quite distorted. It was a pretty loud PA, in >a smallish bar. It doesn't sound to me like digital distortion (i had my R91 on auto >rec. level setting), We don't recommend using the auto gain in loud, dynamic situations. This was probably not the source of the distortion, however. > so i'm guessing it would be the mic that was clipping. On playback however, the >signal sits pretty well on full (i'm guessing the wave form has pretty straight edges >due to the clipping?). Right. It could also be caused by "brick walling" the mic input, where the signal coming into the mic input is so high that it is completely distorted. No adjustment of the recording level (automatically or manually) will fix this problem. > > > I was going to buy a Soundprofessional AT 853 mic soon. I've heard this is a great >sounding mic, but would this also be the solution to the clipping problem? If you combine it with a battery module and use the line input, yes. > Also, is this one of the best for recording loud indoor (and outdoor) gigs? I think I'll let others in the MD community express their opinions on this to keep it unbiased:-) > > > Cheers, > Jason > > EOM > > NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of the >addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. If you are >not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not >disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this >message in error please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word > "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Chris Carfagno The Sound Professionals 1-800-213-3021 1-856-629-1619 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soundprofessionals.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mics
When you record loud gigs, you should put the Sony in manual record level instead of auto level. When you see the signal level at the top, it will clip no matter what mike you are using. Put it in manual and set it lower, it probably isn't the mike that is doing the clipping, but the recorder. Try it at home and record your stereo with it at or near full volume. Quick, like a bunny, record some in auto and then switch to manual and drop the recording level. by now, your neighbors have probably called the cops, so turn the stereo back down and listen to the results. I think you will find it is the level setting that is doing it. "Lynch, Jason JD" wrote: > Yowdy, > > The other night i recorded my first live gig on my MD. The sound guy wouldn't let me >plug into the desk, even though the band requested it. Luckily i took along my mic. >It was given to me as a gift by minidiscweb, due to the fact that i' requested a blue >unit but they only had white. The mic ain't that great; it's a Aiwa Stereo condenser >microphone CM-TS22 (marked as a business/live recording microphone). > Anyway the recording is pretty good but quite distorted. It was a pretty loud PA, in >a smallish bar. It doesn't sound to me like digital distortion (i had my R91 on auto >rec. level setting), so i'm guessing it would be the mic that was clipping. On >playback however, the signal sits pretty well on full (i'm guessing the wave form has >pretty straight edges due to the clipping?). > > I was going to buy a Soundprofessional AT 853 mic soon. I've heard this is a great >sounding mic, but would this also be the solution to the clipping problem? Also, is >this one of the best for recording loud indoor (and outdoor) gigs? > > Cheers, > Jason > > EOM > > NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of the >addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. If you are >not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not >disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this >message in error please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word > "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jim Coon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mics
From: Lynch, Jason JD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 11:08 PM Subject: MD: Mics > > Yowdy, > > The other night i recorded my first live gig on my MD. The sound guy wouldn't let me plug into the desk, even though the band requested it. Luckily i took along my mic. It was given to me as a gift by minidiscweb, due to the fact that i' requested a blue unit but they only had white. The mic ain't that great; it's a Aiwa Stereo condenser microphone CM-TS22 (marked as a business/live recording microphone). > Anyway the recording is pretty good but quite distorted. It was a pretty loud PA, in a smallish bar. It doesn't sound to me like digital distortion (i had my R91 on auto rec. level setting), so i'm guessing it would be the mic that was clipping. On playback however, the signal sits pretty well on full (i'm guessing the wave form has pretty straight edges due to the clipping?). > > I was going to buy a Soundprofessional AT 853 mic soon. I've heard this is a great sounding mic, but would this also be the solution to the clipping problem? Also, is this one of the best for recording loud indoor (and outdoor) gigs? > Did you plug into the mic socket or Line In? If the mic has it'ds own power source (button cell maybe? AA battery? then you can plug into the Line In and it will handle higher volumes. This is what I have done with my DIY mics, and I was amazed at the quality - I was expecting it to sound somewhat bad being my first attempt at a mic, but they sound great!! Magic -- "Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration." Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
