Re: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?
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Re: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?
Howard Chu wrote: > The calculated checksum/signature is used as an index in the data file that > stores the title info. This is the same approach used by www.cddb.com. > There's already Linux support for cddb, so duplicating the Windows approach > is kind of silly. (And if you haven't checked out www.cddb.com yet, you > should. They have track title info for a huge number of CDs, in all BTW: don't use CDDB, use FreeDB (http://www.freedb.org/). The CDDB people (Escient) changed the license on access to the database and now demand insane things from the authors of CD player programs. Since this database was/is put together by people all over the net for free Escient should be sued for behaviour like that, but it would be too difficult I guess. FreeDB keeps its database and server software available under the GPL. So if your CD player is using CDDB, point it to FreeDB instead and if you want to submit a CD send it to FreeDB ! Regards, Alexander -- | Alexander Dietrich | Norderstedt, Germany | | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?
> I have a Sony CD carousel changer that has CD Text capability, and so far > not a single one of my CD's has CD Text on it. I've bought some really new > ones too. My son also has a changer, and a couple of his CD's have the CD > Text. Seems to mainly be a Sony Music thing - they're the only ones using it to any degree. Shame really, it'd be good in a few years to have systems that can transfer CD-Text to minidisc titles, along with a hefty number of discs that carry that info. Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?
> The calculated checksum/signature is used as an index in the data file that > stores the title info. This is the same approach used by www.cddb.com. > There's already Linux support for cddb, so duplicating the Windows approach > is kind of silly. (And if you haven't checked out www.cddb.com yet, you > should. They have track title info for a huge number of CDs, in all > different genres. Heck, they even have the title info for *my* band's CD > online. (check out http://highlandsun.com for some kick-ass Celtic music...) > If you're copying CDs to MDs and you have access to a PC for titling, you > really need to know about this service, it'll save you hours in the long > run.) > -- Howard I really like CDDB, but it's strength is also a flaw - if you've got millions of submissions from people (thus creating a huge database) there isn't the time to check them for errors. About 80% of cddb lookups that I do (before ripping CDs, etc) need correcting, either because some idiot can't capitalise properly or straightforward spelling errors. Some have been so bad I've re-done them all by hand - problem then is if you re-submit the same album it doesn't replace the incorrect entry :) Saved me lot of time when I ripped my albums (200 or so) over the summer though.. Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?
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> From: "Jake Hamby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Howard Chu wrote:
> > My Sony DVD player (DVP-C600D) displays disc titles from CD-Text, but
> > doesn't display track titles. My JVC CHX1200 12 disc changer in my car
> > displays disc and track titles on my KDMX3000 head unit. (And
> there's the
> MD
> > connection - the KDMX3000 is still the world's only single-DIN
> sized MD/CD
> > head unit. Great deck. Unfortunately, the head unit itself
> doesn't display
> > CD-Text for CDs played in its single slot. Stupid, considering that it
> > displays disc & track titles for MDs played in the same slot.)
> Yep, the KDMX3000 rocks, and at $500 from Crutchfield, it's not a
> bad deal!
Wow, the price has come down a lot over the past year. I wonder what JVC's
next trick will be...
> Speaking of CD-Text, I just tried that experiment last night, and
> discovered, as you noted, that it's not supported, unfortunately. Even
> worse was my recent experience of copying a new Ben Folds Five CD ("The
> Unauthorized Bio. of Reinhold Messner") to MD with my Sony
> MXD-D3. The disc
> and tracks are titled, but when you copy it to MD, you get a
> scrolling "TEXT
> PROTECT" message and the titles don't copy over. The previous
> BFF CD I have
> ("Whatever and Ever, Amen") has CD-Text which copies fine, so some evil
> lawyer at Sony must've decided that the copy protection bit would
> be a good
> thing to start turning on..
What a pain, I hadn't realized that the copy-protect bits were valid in the
text region too.
>
> BTW, my recently purchased HP USB CD-Writer (8210e) doesn't
> support CD-TEXT
> for reading or writing.. However, the last time I used Easy CD Creator, I
> remember there *is* an option to title an audio CD in a way that
> the Windows
> Deluxe CD player can read the titling info. This might be worth looking
> into if you only want to read the titles on your computer. However this
> works, presumably it doesn't require any special features on the CD-R, and
> who knows, perhaps some enterprising programmer will add support
> for this to
> some of the Linux CD players, if it isn't there already. If
> anyone has more
> info on how that works, I'd appreciate it..
They just keep the title info in a file on your hard drive. Nothing fancy.
They compute a serial number/checksum for each CD based on each disc's table
of contents, using the number of tracks and the length of each track. The
assumption is that this will generate a unique signature for all albums. I
believe since track lengths are encoded down to the frame, 1/80th of a
second or something, that this is pretty reliable.
The calculated checksum/signature is used as an index in the data file that
stores the title info. This is the same approach used by www.cddb.com.
There's already Linux support for cddb, so duplicating the Windows approach
is kind of silly. (And if you haven't checked out www.cddb.com yet, you
should. They have track title info for a huge number of CDs, in all
different genres. Heck, they even have the title info for *my* band's CD
online. (check out http://highlandsun.com for some kick-ass Celtic music...)
If you're copying CDs to MDs and you have access to a PC for titling, you
really need to know about this service, it'll save you hours in the long
run.)
-- Howard
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Re: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > BTW, my recently purchased HP USB CD-Writer (8210e) doesn't support CD-TEXT > for reading or writing.. However, the last time I used Easy CD Creator, I > remember there *is* an option to title an audio CD in a way that the Windows > Deluxe CD player can read the titling info. This might be worth looking > into if you only want to read the titles on your computer. However this > works, presumably it doesn't require any special features on the CD-R, and > who knows, perhaps some enterprising programmer will add support for this to > some of the Linux CD players, if it isn't there already. If anyone has more > info on how that works, I'd appreciate it.. Each CD has a 'serial-number'. This serial number is stored in a database and linked to a disk-name/track-name list in another database. You have to setup this database on each computer/operating system you want to read the titles.. Sony offers a simular feature on some off it's CD players. It's called custom-file. Cheers, Ralph -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?
I have a Sony CD carousel changer that has CD Text capability, and so far not a single one of my CD's has CD Text on it. I've bought some really new ones too. My son also has a changer, and a couple of his CD's have the CD Text. -- Martin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mitch P. You not only have to get the right CD text compatible hardware, but I believe that not all CDs themselves have the song titles encoded in the disc. I think its a relatively new thing, so not many CDs have the bonus of having song title and other info available when you play them. Does anyone have experience with this? Mitch - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?
"J. Coon" wrote: > > My question is, how do I title the tracks on the CDR? There must be a > way. No CD players/writes "barf" on CD-Text encoded CDs as someone mistakenly noted. CD-Text is just like MD titling and also can store lots of other info, but I'm not sure that all of it can be displayed. Almost all newer CD writers will write CD-Text, Sony and HP-rebadged Sony's supported it earlier on. Many older drives with flash ROM can be updated to support it, but that depends primarily on the manufacturer. Sony CDRight! software and a program called "Nero" support CD-Text if your CD writer is capable. I've heard the latest Adaptec EZ CD creator supports it too. Almost all recent car CD players can display CD-Text, and many Sony home CD/DVD players. -- Shawn Lin http://www2.cybercities.com/g/gmwbodycars/ __ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?
You not only have to get the right CD text compatible hardware, but I believe that not all CDs themselves have the song titles encoded in the disc. I think its a relatively new thing, so not many CDs have the bonus of having song title and other info available when you play them. Does anyone have experience with this? Mitch __ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?
Howard Chu wrote:
> My Sony DVD player (DVP-C600D) displays disc titles from CD-Text, but
> doesn't display track titles. My JVC CHX1200 12 disc changer in my car
> displays disc and track titles on my KDMX3000 head unit. (And there's the
MD
> connection - the KDMX3000 is still the world's only single-DIN sized MD/CD
> head unit. Great deck. Unfortunately, the head unit itself doesn't display
> CD-Text for CDs played in its single slot. Stupid, considering that it
> displays disc & track titles for MDs played in the same slot.)
Yep, the KDMX3000 rocks, and at $500 from Crutchfield, it's not a bad deal!
Speaking of CD-Text, I just tried that experiment last night, and
discovered, as you noted, that it's not supported, unfortunately. Even
worse was my recent experience of copying a new Ben Folds Five CD ("The
Unauthorized Bio. of Reinhold Messner") to MD with my Sony MXD-D3. The disc
and tracks are titled, but when you copy it to MD, you get a scrolling "TEXT
PROTECT" message and the titles don't copy over. The previous BFF CD I have
("Whatever and Ever, Amen") has CD-Text which copies fine, so some evil
lawyer at Sony must've decided that the copy protection bit would be a good
thing to start turning on..
Let me get this straight: You can copy the digital audio to MD just fine
(pursuant to SCMS restrictions), but they won't let you copy the titles??
Thus forcing me, a legitimate owner of a CD, making a legitimate copy for
personal use, to waste an extra 5 minutes spinning the titling knob just to
enter a few dozen bytes of info that are ALREADY on the CD and are certainly
no big secret (considering the titles are printed right on the frickin'
jewel box) but their lawyers are too *!#$^ lame to allow them to be copied
over?! Thus Sony Music subverts a selling point of one of Sony's own
consumer electronics devices. And big companies wonder why we've grown wary
of their antics..
BTW, my recently purchased HP USB CD-Writer (8210e) doesn't support CD-TEXT
for reading or writing.. However, the last time I used Easy CD Creator, I
remember there *is* an option to title an audio CD in a way that the Windows
Deluxe CD player can read the titling info. This might be worth looking
into if you only want to read the titles on your computer. However this
works, presumably it doesn't require any special features on the CD-R, and
who knows, perhaps some enterprising programmer will add support for this to
some of the Linux CD players, if it isn't there already. If anyone has more
info on how that works, I'd appreciate it..
-Jake
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Re: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?
Yes, there is a way to title tracks on CD But you need software that can use CD-TEXT and a CD-burner thet has CD-TEXT... The Software i use, NEro (www.ahead.de) supports CD-TEXT But as i said, you need a CD-text supporting burner too And then there's the catch The CD-TEXT information can only be read with CD-text compatible cd-players (i.e. latest from sony) So There you have it Hope this was useful for you Greetz, Dodge __ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?
> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:24:28 +0100 > From: Alexander Dietrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR? > > Stainless Steel Rat wrote: > > > Nope. CD-Audio does not include space for titles, just audio data. > > Well actually there's the CD-Text format which adds song titles, lyrics > and even more to audio CDs, but you'd have to own a pretty new CD writer > and compatible software to be able to use it. Then you'd have to own > a CD-Text compatible CD-ROM drive/CD player to be able to read this > information. (The newer Plextor drives are CD-Text capable AFAIK) Yes, I have a Plextor 8220 which reads & writes CD-Text. On Linux I use cdrdao to write CD-Text discs. On Windows I use Feurio - it's shareware, and I paid to register my copy. The version of Adaptec software that came with my Plextor doesn't support CD-Text. I've also tried Nero but I think Feurio works better. To whoever said that regular CD players barf on CD-Text discs - Wrong. CD-Text discs work fine in all CD players, but you only see the text on a Text-Capable drive/player. The text is encoded in a portion of the disc's Table of Contents that was previously unused. Feurio is cool because it automatically loads a CD's info from the CDDB database, so you don't have to do much typing when you're copying CDs to CDR. This is great for me, I have about 500 CDs that I'm slowly copying to CDR so that I can have title info when playing discs in my car. My Sony DVD player (DVP-C600D) displays disc titles from CD-Text, but doesn't display track titles. My JVC CHX1200 12 disc changer in my car displays disc and track titles on my KDMX3000 head unit. (And there's the MD connection - the KDMX3000 is still the world's only single-DIN sized MD/CD head unit. Great deck. Unfortunately, the head unit itself doesn't display CD-Text for CDs played in its single slot. Stupid, considering that it displays disc & track titles for MDs played in the same slot.) -- Howard - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?
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Re: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Mark Derricutt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Thu, 09 Dec 1999 | Actually, there is the CD-TEXT format, which stores track names/album name | in the TOC of the CD. And, as others have already mentioned, most CD and CD-ROM players will barf on CD-TEXT discs. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0g (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE4TteXgl+vIlSVSNkRAu/2AKC0H4hNBVNjMiy6UhmH6GkHLc9EHgCeO/XR AZ752RUppDS+MU/0qq0muzs= =PimX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Rat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\ Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?
> I have a ZIP-CD CD burner and I am using the Adaptec EZ CD creator and > the Adaptec Direct CD to make copies of some tunes that I recorded on my > Minidisc recorder so I can share them with people that are Minidisc > impaired. (The poor souls) (I am using my $10 home brew mike > http://www.tir.com/~liteways/Mandolin.html#Microphone ) > > My question is, how do I title the tracks on the CDR? There must be a > way. There is, called CD-Text - however it's not too well supported, either with recorders or players. A list of CDR drives that support it is here: http://www.ahead.de/en/Recorder.htm (5th column is for CD-Text) (Unfortunately, your Iomega drive isn't amongst them) It's gaining popularity with bookshelf systems and in-car players, but to be honest it probably isn't worth the change of hardware to add a feature only about 10% (being generous) of players can use. Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?
Your CDR drive would need to support CD TEXT and you would need the latest version of EZ CD Creator which does support CD TEXT. Of course, the person you give the CDR to would also need a CD Player that supports CD TEXT. The easy way would be just to use EZ CD Creator to make a jewel case insert and title the tracks there. -- Martin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of J. Coon Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 9:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR? I have a ZIP-CD CD burner and I am using the Adaptec EZ CD creator and the Adaptec Direct CD to make copies of some tunes that I recorded on my Minidisc recorder so I can share them with people that are Minidisc impaired. (The poor souls) (I am using my $10 home brew mike http://www.tir.com/~liteways/Mandolin.html#Microphone ) My question is, how do I title the tracks on the CDR? There must be a way. -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?
On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Stainless Steel Rat wrote: > * "J. Coon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Wed, 08 Dec 1999 > | My question is, how do I title the tracks on the CDR? There must be a > | way. > > Nope. CD-Audio does not include space for titles, just audio data. Actually, there is the CD-TEXT format, which stores track names/album name in the TOC of the CD. However, I don't know of any CDR software that actually supports it, I've heard that the latest version of "Nero - Burning Rom" does, but I havn't seen that yet. Mark - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?
Stainless Steel Rat wrote: > Nope. CD-Audio does not include space for titles, just audio data. Well actually there's the CD-Text format which adds song titles, lyrics and even more to audio CDs, but you'd have to own a pretty new CD writer and compatible software to be able to use it. Then you'd have to own a CD-Text compatible CD-ROM drive/CD player to be able to read this information. (The newer Plextor drives are CD-Text capable AFAIK) Regards, Alexander -- | Alexander Dietrich | Norderstedt, Germany | | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?
Howdy, First your CD-Recorder must support something called CD-TXT, which most do not right now. There are a few that do, i believe a couple of the plextor models do and some others. Then after that your cd player must support CD text which again not many do. So for right now it's pretty worthless, but if you wanna look into it, i suggest going to http://www.cdmediaworld.com they have a lot of good info there on that kinda stuff. Later Matt -Original Message- From: Stainless Steel Rat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: MD-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 12:07 PM Subject: Re: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR? > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > >* "J. Coon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Wed, 08 Dec 1999 >| My question is, how do I title the tracks on the CDR? There must be a >| way. > >Nope. CD-Audio does not include space for titles, just audio data. >-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >Version: GnuPG v1.0.0g (GNU/Linux) >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > >iD8DBQE4ToyLgl+vIlSVSNkRAq4XAJ9iL7jv6mB+jH6AneSWym55fCAISgCg1XLB >QhVM3jtAx6Eb0sFMrPAo+ms= >=yAU5 >-END PGP SIGNATURE- > >-- >Rat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\ Warning: pregnant women, the elderly, and >Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ children under 10 should avoid prolonged >PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ exposure to Happy Fun Ball. > >- >To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word >"unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: OT, anyone know how to title tracks on a CDR?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * "J. Coon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Wed, 08 Dec 1999 | My question is, how do I title the tracks on the CDR? There must be a | way. Nope. CD-Audio does not include space for titles, just audio data. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0g (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE4ToyLgl+vIlSVSNkRAq4XAJ9iL7jv6mB+jH6AneSWym55fCAISgCg1XLB QhVM3jtAx6Eb0sFMrPAo+ms= =yAU5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Rat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\ Warning: pregnant women, the elderly, and Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ children under 10 should avoid prolonged PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ exposure to Happy Fun Ball. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
