RE: MD: Sharp 701/702s for 99 Pounds at RS
I may be wrong, but Sharp doesn't really strike me as a half-arsed company with no money to spend on product development... My 702 was cheap, looks good and works very well. Sony stuff is nice, but they have some wobbly foibles too. PrinceGaz wrote C'mon guys-- Sony can throw many times the budget and staff at improving and checking their ATRAC algorithm than Sharp. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sharp 701/702s for 99 Pounds at RS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > "PrinceGaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >Thats true Ralph but what MD definitely does *not* need is > >peeps being introduced to units like the Sharp 701/702 > >which will go pants due to utoc errors in 12 months time. > > Well in slight defense of the 702, I've had mine for 21 months. I bought > it in Japan through Nic Boyde and have had GREAT success with it. A close > friend bought a 702 in the United States of America via Minidiscnow and > AFTER he finally received the machine, has had great success. I've > personally recommended the 702 to two(2) other friends and both of those > have had great success. Add me to this list My 702 turns two years in january! Still no UTOC problem. > I don't like to generalize the reported UTOC error as something which > occurs on every unit. It clearly is not a problem on all units. It started to show up somewhere in mid 1998. At least that's when I heard about this problem on this list. It seems to me that Sharps had a bad batch or maybee they losened their testing criteria. > >Add to that the allegedly buggy Sharp ATRAC coding prob > >(even in the latest units) > > That only seems to appear when recording a certain note frequency > combination on a solo french horn. I attend and archive classical brass > concerts on a regular basis, and have yet to hear this artifact even when > a solo french horn is performing. > > Again the problem that happens in very specific recording situations and > those are very, VERY rare. I and all other persons I know can't hear the difference between the MDS-S38 (Sony ATRAC 4.0) and the Sharp 702 with digital recordings. I can however hear the difference (more noise) when recording analog. But remember that the MDS-S38 is a home-deck. Ie, it isn't limited by batery limitation in the choice of components! > >and the little extra you pay for Sony > >stuff begins to make sense. C'mon guys-- Sony can throw > >many times the budget and staff at improving and checking > >their ATRAC algorithm than Sharp. > > For my need to have a method of real time recording level changes and the > Sharps ability to copy the names from one MD to another, for my needs the > Sharp is a superior machine. Also the Sharps headphone/amp output is > higher than my Sony MZ-E40 player. This is needed when I patch into a > mixer at a radio station I volunteer at. The Sony MZ-E40 isn't a good > fit. Actually, I don't know who's better. And PrinceGaz, Sharp is AFAIK bigger than Sony. Maybee not in MD, but in all the rest for sure. The main difference is that Sharp is a OEM manufacturer and Sony not. (Kenwood and Dennon are two of Sharps OEM customers.) Cheers, Ralph -> Who's going to win? Sharp, Sony. Who cares, as long as it is MD! -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sharp 701/702s for 99 Pounds at RS
"PrinceGaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Thats true Ralph but what MD definitely does *not* need is >peeps being introduced to units like the Sharp 701/702 >which will go pants due to utoc errors in 12 months time. Well in slight defense of the 702, I've had mine for 21 months. I bought it in Japan through Nic Boyde and have had GREAT success with it. A close friend bought a 702 in the United States of America via Minidiscnow and AFTER he finally received the machine, has had great success. I've personally recommended the 702 to two(2) other friends and both of those have had great success. I don't like to generalize the reported UTOC error as something which occurs on every unit. It clearly is not a problem on all units. >Add to that the allegedly buggy Sharp ATRAC coding prob >(even in the latest units) That only seems to appear when recording a certain note frequency combination on a solo french horn. I attend and archive classical brass concerts on a regular basis, and have yet to hear this artifact even when a solo french horn is performing. Again the problem that happens in very specific recording situations and those are very, VERY rare. >and the little extra you pay for Sony >stuff begins to make sense. C'mon guys-- Sony can throw >many times the budget and staff at improving and checking >their ATRAC algorithm than Sharp. For my need to have a method of real time recording level changes and the Sharps ability to copy the names from one MD to another, for my needs the Sharp is a superior machine. Also the Sharps headphone/amp output is higher than my Sony MZ-E40 player. This is needed when I patch into a mixer at a radio station I volunteer at. The Sony MZ-E40 isn't a good fit. I'm trying to level the playing field a bit. Sharp 702 units are not garbage. The technology still amazes me and friends when I show off the unit. Jerry Jerry Jelinek at work via OS/2[EMAIL PROTECTED] FOR SALE: Complete set of Encyclopedia Britannica. 45 volumes. Excellent condition. $1,000.00 or best offer. No longer needed. Got married last weekend. Wife knows everything. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Sharp 701/702s for 99 Pounds at RS
You can buy two Sharp 702 units for the cost of one Sony unit. Even assuming that one of them goes bad, in the mean time you've had the use of two very good recorders before one goes bad. The Atrac bug is a non issue unless you plan on recording solo french horn. I've used mine extensively for recording many different kinds of live music, and it sounds great. I'm a music composer and feel I have a pretty good ear. I don't know why you have it in for Sharp, but I have two 702s and an MD-R2 deck and am very satisfied with all of them. I've already used the two 702s to make a live recording of a school performance that will make me enough money to pay for both portables, the deck, and years worth of minidiscs. I think it's ridiculous that the Sony consumer decks that sell for $350-400 US (like the Sony MXD-D3) don't have digital output. I also bought a Sony DVD deck that would not play CDR audio discs (they are deliberately designed so that they will not play them). I exchanged it for a Pioneer (I think they are made by Sharp) that plays everything I put in it, and has more features for less money. I used to really like Sony equipment, but IMO, they are overpriced and underfeatured these days. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of PrinceGaz Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: Sharp 701/702s for 99 Pounds at RS Hi guys, Thats true Ralph but what MD definitely does *not* need is peeps being introduced to units like the Sharp 701/702 which will go pants due to utoc errors in 12 months time. Add to that the allegedly buggy Sharp ATRAC coding prob (even in the latest units) and the little extra you pay for Sony stuff begins to make sense. C'mon guys-- Sony can throw many times the budget and staff at improving and checking their ATRAC algorithm than Sharp. It does surprise me that there could be a flaw as major as incorrectly coding the MSB in Sharps code, and that it wasn't corrected immediately but perhaps they're all incompetent :-) Cheers, PrinceGaz -- "Blessed Be." - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sharp 701/702s for 99 Pounds at RS
"PrinceGaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Thats true Ralph but what MD definitely does *not* need is >peeps being introduced to units like the Sharp 701/702 >which will go pants due to utoc errors in 12 months time. I knew it was only a matter of time before Gaz piped in with the "I hate Sharp and I'm going to use the broken-a-year-ago-but-apparently-fixed-now UTOC error to scare people away" line Sorry, Gaz... couldn't resist ;-) == Dan Frakes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> == - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sharp 701/702s for 99 Pounds at RS
Hi guys, Thats true Ralph but what MD definitely does *not* need is peeps being introduced to units like the Sharp 701/702 which will go pants due to utoc errors in 12 months time. Add to that the allegedly buggy Sharp ATRAC coding prob (even in the latest units) and the little extra you pay for Sony stuff begins to make sense. C'mon guys-- Sony can throw many times the budget and staff at improving and checking their ATRAC algorithm than Sharp. It does surprise me that there could be a flaw as major as incorrectly coding the MSB in Sharps code, and that it wasn't corrected immediately but perhaps they're all incompetent :-) Cheers, PrinceGaz -- "Blessed Be." Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://website.lineone.net/~princegaz/ ICQ: 36892193 From: "Ralph Smeets" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Dear All, > > Picked up a copy of What HiFi yesterday and Richer Sounds have stocks of the > > old 701/702, with battery and charger etc. for 99 quid. My missus has been > > wanting one for a while (so she can stop nicking mine), so I went down to > > the Watford branch and they even had them in stock :-). You'll need a copy > > of What HiFi though. > > Tony > > This is exactly what MD needs! Prizes that start being competetive with > other portables.. This is good news! > Cheers, > Ralph -> - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sharp 701/702s for 99 Pounds at RS
Hi! At 10:32 16/12/99 +, you wrote: >Dear All, > >Picked up a copy of What HiFi yesterday and Richer Sounds have stocks of the >old 701/702, with battery and charger etc. for 99 quid. My missus has been >wanting one for a while (so she can stop nicking mine), so I went down to >the Watford branch and they even had them in stock :-). You'll need a copy >of What HiFi though. I take it these are the factory repacks which they told me about - I bought a 722 for 170 quid a couple of weeks ago because the 702 wasn't available. They said they had 1000 reconditioned 702s coming in before Christmas, but the guy I spoke to didn't know when or for how much. Never mind. It's a bloody good deal for 99 quid though... Wrighty == | Richard Wright - [EMAIL PROTECTED] | == | _____ __ | | | | | |-. |--. | |---.-.-. |_ -.. | | | | | | -__| _ | | _ |__ --| _| -__| _| | | ||_|_|__|_|__|___._|_||_|__| | || | Dartcom WebMaster - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.dartcom.co.uk | || == |Page me on ICQ - UIN: 4050545 | == - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sharp 701/702s for 99 Pounds at RS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Dear All, > > Picked up a copy of What HiFi yesterday and Richer Sounds have stocks of the > old 701/702, with battery and charger etc. for 99 quid. My missus has been > wanting one for a while (so she can stop nicking mine), so I went down to > the Watford branch and they even had them in stock :-). You'll need a copy > of What HiFi though. > > Tony This is exactly what MD needs! Prizes that start being competetive with other portables.. This is good news! Cheers, Ralph -> -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
