Re: MD: THX Certified?
"Francisco J. Huerta" wrote: > I think I got it either on kencranes.com or on the DTS web site. I would > definitely suggest Kencranes.com, since they are charging $7.50 LESS ($17.50 > USD) for the copy. thanks, Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
I think I got it either on kencranes.com or on the DTS web site. I would definitely suggest Kencranes.com, since they are charging $7.50 LESS ($17.50 USD) for the copy. And yes, it definitely is worth it...! - Original Message - From: "las" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:33 PM Subject: Re: MD: THX Certified? > > Hi. > > "Francisco J. Huerta" wrote: > > > Do you think the DTS mix (of Not Fragile) is the same as the Quad mix? I > > think it sounds terrific! > > > > You have a dts mix of "Not Fragile"? Where did you get it. All I have is the > > plain old CD. > > That is one great album. Part of BTO became The Guess You I think. That's when > when Burton Cummings went out on his own he did that slow version of "you ain't > seem nothing yet". I think that he was kind of mocking the song though. > > Larry > > - > To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word > "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
Hi. "Francisco J. Huerta" wrote: > Do you think the DTS mix (of Not Fragile) is the same as the Quad mix? I > think it sounds terrific! > > You have a dts mix of "Not Fragile"? Where did you get it. All I have is the > plain old CD. That is one great album. Part of BTO became The Guess You I think. That's when when Burton Cummings went out on his own he did that slow version of "you ain't seem nothing yet". I think that he was kind of mocking the song though. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
* "Don Capps" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Tue, 30 Jan 2001 | Timbre matching = special EQ settings used to correct for different speaker | reproduction characteristics... Which is functionally identical to special EQ settings used to achieve certain types of simulated environments such as cathedral and auditorium. "THX mode" is just another EQ preset. | Decorrelation = uses out-of-phase information (in the rear surround | channels) to give the illusion of a larger/broader rear soundstage | (i.e. a "more open" sound)...only used when the rear channel information | is a matrixed mono signal rather than discrete Just a general FYI, a matrixed mono rear channel is a feature of Dolby Surround and Dolby Pro Logic encoding. "Uses out-of-phase information" is a fancy way of saying "uses front stereo channels". Decorreleation blends sound from the front stereo channels back into the rear channel to give it a larger sound field. Dolby Digital and dts have discrete rear channels. Decorrelation is unnecessary for DD and dts. -- Rat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\ Caution: Happy Fun Ball may suddenly Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ accelerate to dangerous speeds. PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
* las <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Mon, 29 Jan 2001 | > None of which is unique to THX-certified equipment. | Individually. But the combination is what gives it a uniqueness. Not so. The "uniqueness" is the certificate, not what is inside the box. Like I said, THX means it passed a test; it does not mean it has something exclusive. -- Rat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\ Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
Hi Larry, Do you think the DTS mix (of Not Fragile) is the same as the Quad mix? I think it sounds terrific! Francisco. > Going back to my Quadraphonic days, one thing that I can tell you, the > difference between matrixed and discrete is a difference of night and day. The > best quadraphonic album I have had was a 4 channel reel to reel copy of BTO's > "Not Fragile". > > But the hiss really bothers me. That's about the only thing that makes me > tolerate digital over analog. I hate hiss even more than what digital > processing does to the sound. > > Larry > > > - > To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word > "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:49:21 -0500 (EST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Please clarifyDon C. suggested that THX certified equipment has > nothing to do with processing, but the certification is a set of > guidelines required to achieve an " optimal" theatre sound. Then what > exactly makes an audio receiver THX certified? And why suggest to the > McIntosh amp owner to listen to the THX module before purchasing one and > listen to the differences? > Is a THX certified receiver merely a marketing ploy, I would say not merely - but I suspect there is something to that. It's a standard, essentially. > or is there > actually an EQ applied, Perhaps on some equipment, the use of certain modes (perhaps labelled as THX) may well effect configurable parameters or controls on the equipment. > or some other DSP application VS any other 5.1 > receiver? Seems to me there must be a difference in the processing > somewhere? Why so? Are you now seeing differing media with soundtracks that are THX specific? Nope. Some DVDs now include DD-EX, or dts-ES soundtracks. They may also be mastered using a THX certified configuration, and when reproduced on THX certified equipment, you can be truly sure you are getting your moneys worth from your THX labelled equipment. But as of yet, it doesn't present a difference in decoding. They may well have been involved with Dolby in creating this new revision - seems almost something to be expected. In general, you'll tend to see DVDs with soundtracks that are usually either Dobly Pro Logic, or some Dolby Digital derivative (1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, 5.1, EX) or dts (possible ES) - none of which depend on THX equipment (per se) for the reproduction of said soundtracks. Neil ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
Don Capps wrote: > Timbre matching = special EQ settings used to correct for different speaker > reproduction characteristics... > for example, it is most commonly used to correct for the effect caused by > surround sound information as it passes from the front (and generally more > coherent) channels to the rear (and generally more diffuse) channels > > Decorrelation = uses out-of-phase information (in the rear surround > channels) to give the illusion of a larger/broader rear soundstage (i.e. a > "more open" sound)...only used when the rear channel information is a > matrixed mono signal rather than discrete > Thanks for the information. From what you say, Decorrelation does not apply to Dolby Digital. Going back to my Quadraphonic days, one thing that I can tell you, the difference between matrixed and discrete is a difference of night and day. The best quadraphonic album I have had was a 4 channel reel to reel copy of BTO's "Not Fragile". But the hiss really bothers me. That's about the only thing that makes me tolerate digital over analog. I hate hiss even more than what digital processing does to the sound. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
Stainless Steel Rat wrote: > None of which is unique to THX-certified equipment. Individually. But the combination is what gives it a uniqueness. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
* las <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Mon, 29 Jan 2001 Stainless Steel Rat wrote: > It is certification. But is is also specifications. Watch your attributions; I didn't write this. -- Rat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\ Caution: Happy Fun Ball may suddenly Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ accelerate to dangerous speeds. PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
* "Francisco J. Huerta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Mon, 29 Jan 2001 | Home THX Controller - includes multi-channel circuitry and the necessary | electronic enhancements (Re-equalizationT, Timbre MatchingT, and | DecorrelationT, and more) to successfully render the film sound experience | in a home. None of which is unique to THX-certified equipment. -- Rat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\ Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
From: "las" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > He's right about this Ratman even though I haven't a clue with Timbre matching and Decorrelation are. Timbre matching = special EQ settings used to correct for different speaker reproduction characteristics... for example, it is most commonly used to correct for the effect caused by surround sound information as it passes from the front (and generally more coherent) channels to the rear (and generally more diffuse) channels Decorrelation = uses out-of-phase information (in the rear surround channels) to give the illusion of a larger/broader rear soundstage (i.e. a "more open" sound)...only used when the rear channel information is a matrixed mono signal rather than discrete - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
From: "las" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I wonder if Lucas owns a Mini Disc recorder? The way I look it it, if he isn't into the format, we can discount him straight out. No. But I'm quite sure he probably has a portable DAT recorder. Ahem. Don C. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
"Francisco J. Huerta" wrote: > Home THX Controller - includes multi-channel circuitry and the necessary > electronic enhancements (Re-equalizationT, Timbre MatchingT, and > DecorrelationT, and more) to successfully render the film sound experience > in a home. He's right about this Ratman even though I haven't a clue with Timbre matchingT and DecorrelationT are. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
Stainless Steel Rat wrote: > It is certification. But is is also specifications. There is a separate > setting on my THX receiver. I think this setting sets a certain EQ. Now this > EQ can be set (if you know what it is) by the use of any equilizer. It is not > unique to THX but must exist in it's specifications. As far as the rest of the specifications go, there is no question that you can buy equipment that is not THX certified but will exceed the THX specifications. Then why aren't this THX certified?? Because THX is among other things another way for George to make money. If you look at Lucas's track record, he really hasn't done so well in the hit movie business. His Industrial Lights and Magic are probably more profitable than many of his movies have been. For every Star Wars he has had 10 dogs. I don't seem to remember "Look at Life (1965)", "1:42:08: A Man and His Car (1966)", "THX 1138:4EB (1967)" (well that's here the THX comes from I guess) etc. American Graffiti and Star Wars (and anything anyone does with Spielberg, like IJ). I used to ponder whether Spielberg was so over rated. You know a bunch of cutsie movies that made a lot of money. But ever since Shindler's list I've shut my mouth. I wonder if Lucas owns a Mini Disc recorder? The way I look it it, if he isn't into the format, we can discount him straight out. Larry > > > "THX Certification" has exactly as much meaning as "Microsoft Certified > Software Engineer" or "Novell Certified Engineer". It means it passed a > test. That's *IT*. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
From: "Churchill, Guy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'm confused, my Onkyo 828/901 combination (which was one of the first receivers to get THX certification) has THX Theatre and THX Prologic settings, plus THX Cinema re-eq on the AC3 stream. So how can it be that THX has "nothing to do with processing"? ? Sorry. I've apparently created some confusion. THX "settings" on electronic gear DO apply special EQ settings. These settings are designed with the intent of reproducing an EQ curve that is as close as possible to that used/heard by the sound engineers in the mastering process. But that is the limit of it. All I was trying to clarify in my original posts is that THX is not some variant on surround sound encoding/decoding but IS all about trying to establish certain standards for the "proper" reproduction of surround sound in both theater and home listening environments. Don C. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
This was the first time that I heard of a module to make a something THX certified. THX is a set of specifications established by Lucasfilms that a piece of audio equipment must meet in order to get the certification. But there must be more to it than that because my receiver which is THX certified has a special setting for listening to THX movies. I think that it may have something to do with the equalization. Because THX is not an encoding/decoding scheme. When I get a chance, I'' do some web hunting and see what can be found about THX. Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Please clarifyDon C. suggested that THX certified equipment has > nothing to do with processing, but the certification is a set of > guidelines required to achieve an " optimal" theatre sound. Then what > exactly makes an audio receiver THX certified? And why suggest to the > McIntosh amp owner to listen to the THX module before purchasing one and > listen to the differences? > I - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Please clarifyDon C. suggested that THX certified equipment has nothing to do with processing, but the certification is a set of guidelines required to achieve an " optimal" theatre sound. Then what exactly makes an audio receiver THX certified? And why suggest to the McIntosh amp owner to listen to the THX module before purchasing one and listen to the differences? I did not say there was not processing involved. I said that THX is not some surround sound encoding format or any variant thereupon. There IS special EQ processing involved (or 'frequency tailoring' as I recently heard a THX representative refer to it...snicker). The EQing is designed to achieve a certain uniform frequency response that will more closely emulate what the engineers heard in the studio. It's a good idea in theory, but it fails in execution imo. Too many variables in acoustic environments. But it's an attempt... Don C. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: THX Certified?
> Please clarifyDon C. suggested that THX certified equipment has > nothing to do with processing, but the certification is a set of > guidelines required to achieve an " optimal" theatre sound. I'm confused, my Onkyo 828/901 combination (which was one of the first receivers to get THX certification) has THX Theatre and THX Prologic settings, plus THX Cinema re-eq on the AC3 stream. So how can it be that THX has "nothing to do with processing"? ? L8R GC - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
Straight from LucasFilm THX FAQ: (http://www.thx.com/consumer_products/home_faq.html#6) Home THX Controller - includes multi-channel circuitry and the necessary electronic enhancements (Re-equalizationT, Timbre MatchingT, and DecorrelationT, and more) to successfully render the film sound experience in a home. - Original Message - From: "Stainless Steel Rat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MD-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 7:22 PM Subject: Re: MD: THX Certified? > > * "Francisco J. Huerta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Mon, 29 Jan 2001 > | AFAIK, THX Ultra and Select are certification processes. BUT they do add to > | the decoding scheme. > > No, they don't. THX does not do any of these things. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
* "Francisco J. Huerta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Mon, 29 Jan 2001 | AFAIK, THX Ultra and Select are certification processes. BUT they do add to | the decoding scheme. No, they don't. THX does not do any of these things. Did you read the recently posted excerpt from the THX FAQ? THX is independant of hardware and software. If there are 50 ways to diffuse the center channel and 25 of them are approved by THX, then one or possibly more of those 25 schemes are in a THX certified receiver. The same scheme or schems may also be in a recevier that is not THX certified, and that uncertified receiver may sound much better than the certified one. "THX Certification" has exactly as much meaning as "Microsoft Certified Software Engineer" or "Novell Certified Engineer". It means it passed a test. That's *IT*. -- Rat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\ Warning: pregnant women, the elderly, and Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ children under 10 should avoid prolonged PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ exposure to Happy Fun Ball. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 29 Jan 2001 | Please clarifyDon C. suggested that THX certified equipment has | nothing to do with processing, but the certification is a set of | guidelines required to achieve an " optimal" theatre sound. [...] That is correct. | And why suggest to the McIntosh amp owner to listen to the THX module | before purchasing one and listen to the differences? Because you should always listen to the component before buying it. | Is a THX certified receiver merely a marketing ploy, or is there actually | an EQ applied, or some other DSP application VS any other 5.1 receiver? | Seems to me there must be a difference in the processing somewhere? It means that the receiver has been certified by THX as meeting their minimum audio and video quality requirements. It means that the component has passed their test. Having the certificate means that it will look and sound good, but it does not mean that it will look and sound better than a every component that has never been tested. For example, the NAD T-760 receiver was never tested, so it does not have the certification, but it sounds better than a lot of receivers that do have the THX logo, like, say, anything from Pioneer in its class, and I'd be willing to put it against anything comparable from Onkyo as well. -- Rat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\ When not in use, Happy Fun Ball should be Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ returned to its special container and PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ kept under refrigeration. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: THX Certified?
AFAIK, THX Ultra and Select are certification processes. BUT they do add to the decoding scheme. In Pro Logic, for example, THX applies decorrelation to the surround channels, diffusing the mono channel and preventing sound localization. It also does a re-eq on the original sound tracks to tame highs. There are a couple of other things it does which I don't remember all too well. And I haven't found out what THX does to 5.1 systems besides setting quality standards. THX Ultra is the standard for home theater of the highest caliber; THX select is the cheaper variation. Some of the things the standard dictates are bipolar speakers, a subwoofer that can put out x dB at y frequency (don't quite remember that), THD levels below a certain threshold, and enough amplification for the works to function correctly. One problem: Buy a non-THX certified component (for example, the speaker system), and the results won't be what you would expect from THX. The only reason I might go for THX is because of the "EX" feature, actually. Francisco. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 5:49 PM Subject: MD: THX Certified? > > Please clarifyDon C. suggested that THX certified equipment has > nothing to do with processing, but the certification is a set of > guidelines required to achieve an " optimal" theatre sound. Then what > exactly makes an audio receiver THX certified? And why suggest to the > McIntosh amp owner to listen to the THX module before purchasing one and > listen to the differences? > Is a THX certified receiver merely a marketing ploy, or is there > actually an EQ applied, or some other DSP application VS any other 5.1 > receiver? Seems to me there must be a difference in the processing > somewhere? > Mark Dottle > > - > To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word > "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
