Re: [MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 12/31/18 8:57 PM:

Well I have a geology degree but that is equally irrelevant. TRUE

Let the market dictate and set the politics aside.  Why would for-profit
utilitiesclose down their coal plants if they could make money by keeping
them open?

SUBSIDIES

  Why are all new power plants wind and solar where the resource
is plentiful, and natural gas otherwise.

SUBSIDIES

As the president of Mid American Energy said, the wind farms cost Mid 
America Energy, exactly nothing!


The windfarms represent money taken at gunpoint and given to Mid 
American Energy.



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Re: [MBZ] Extra for Andrew

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Technically, the plastics that melt are thermoplastic, meaning they 
become more plastic with heat.


Bakelite and similar are classified as thermosetting plastics, because 
they are heated to set the plastic.  As Jm said, they will burn, rather 
than melting when heated.  Fiberglass resins fall into the thermosetting 
category also.


Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote on 12/31/18 6:52 PM:


Try a red-hot paperclip end on the back side.  If it melts it a bit, you just 
need more heat.  If
it burns, it was 'set', like bakelite, and will never melt/bend.  But, given 
that it's deformed, my
guess is that it is not set, and can be shifted.

-- Jim





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Re: [MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

For those who don't know: You should listen to Craig.  Here's why:

Craig

P.S. In case you missed it, I have a Ph.D. in physics, something very
 relevant to this discussion.



Craig via Mercedes wrote on 12/31/18 2:30 PM:


To date, the electricity from alternate sources has been much more
expensive than from conventional sources -- if you eliminate the subsidies.  
One of the reasons for increased costs is that utility
companies have to have a traditional source on line and spinning to
make up for the dropouts of the alternate sources, thus wasting the
traditional source fuel source.

The driving factor is getting something for "free" and a mistaken
belief that anthropogenic CO2 is the only knob controlling the global
climate -- it, at best, runs a distant second to the most powerful
climate-controlling gas, water vapor.

For most of those who push anthropogenic CO2 and curbing fossil fuels it
is a religion -- that's the only way one can explain their fervor and
refusal to consider different viewpoints (including very scientifically
based ones).

The rest of those pushing curbing fossil fuels are doing so for the cut
of the revenue they will receive from building alternate sources and from
carbon cap/trading taxes. Fortunately for Washington state, it's voters
recently soundly rejected their carbon cap/trading ballot question,
precisely because of that.

Utilities in California have to work in and with the liberal California
world view -- they know which side their bread is buttered on. Given a
level playing field, they might sing a different tune.


Craig

P.S. In case you missed it, I have a Ph.D. in physics, something very
  relevant to this discussion.

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Re: [MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

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Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote on 12/31/18 1:33 PM:

We have a 450 acre solar farm going in across the road from my house next year. 
 All the neighbors are in an uproar, but I see it as certain power any time the 
sun is shining, the substation to handle it is about 300 yards from the 
house

Between wind, solar, and natural gas fired turbine generators, who in their 
right mind would mess around with dirty, expensive, un-reliable and hard to 
maintain coal fired plants?  No scrubbers, no ash, no mercury, no arsenic, no 
sulfuric acid mist, what's to miss?

Peter

I miss the money taken from my pockets at gunpoint to pay for this stuff.
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Re: [MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

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Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 12/31/18 12:31 PM:

No synopsis that I know of. Sorry.

I am interested because the wind farm guys developed a project all around
us, but even then it was clear that solar would outperform it. Basically
this guy says the same thing. Essentially, the stuff is getting cheap
enough that it is here to stay...


Happy New Year,
Karl



Riiight!   Now how much of it would be built WITHOUT taxpayer money?
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] Finnie Fun!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Haha  Delivered toys to missions in East KY.  it was in the 50s AND 
SUNNY in KY but  it had been too cold to put them in at home.  one nun 
was SWMBO's cousin, so they let me work on the car in their grassy 
parking area.  Took a couple hours.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 12/31/18 11:49 AM:

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when I read that.  Some questions are best 
left unasked.

-D





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Re: [MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Some New Year's reading for you Andrew. 

https://www.chinadialogue.net/blog/10761-China-is-building-coal-power-again/en

https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/fossil-fuels/coal/coal-dead-china/

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2018/09/27/china-to-add-259-gw-of-coal-capacity-satellite-imagery-shows/

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-coal-fired-power-station-buildup-2018-9

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Uhhhh, mental illness combined with a long hard night of hookers and blow

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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] Finnie Fun!

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The ride with the taxi springs is more firm.  It also better handles 
loads in the seats and trunk.  The RR also give more ground clearance.  
I suspect they are similar to the rate of normal springs, but have more 
travel.   In other words, RR and taxi are similar, but taxi is stiffer.  
Both probably are similar travel.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 12/31/18 8:04 AM:

The surface of the springs are pretty rusted or corroded from the looks of 
things.  I haven’t tried cleaning them yet but I may to see if there are any 
paint marks visible.

The manual doesn’t mention a spring compressor, although I do have one.  It 
says to use a floor jack and remove the inside bolts on the LCA to drop it 
down.  That’s most likely what I would do.  The LCA has to come off anyway.

A guy in the Vintage forum on BW said he had a W111 from Ecuador that shipped 
with “rough road springs” as MB calls them and he really liked it better than a 
standard sprung W110/W111.  He later had a W108 that he changed the springs out 
to the RR springs and said it was a much better driver.  I might consider it 
once I get some more information.

I’ve already replaced one trailing arm bushing, and that was relatively easy as 
long as I had someone around to work the floor jack while I got the arm into 
position. From that I can see that replacing rear springs would be a piece of 
cake.

Thanks!

-D



On Dec 31, 2018, at 8:26 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

BTW, the front end goes much easier with a spring compressor, but can be done 
without.  without, I'd unbolt the 2 bolts on the inside of the LCA that hold 
the bar to the subframe, then lower the LCA with a floor jack.

Dan--- via Mercedes wrote on 12/31/18 5:00 AM:

I DO have it. I’ve identified the springs, but trying to figure out which 
spring pad to purchase is a real puzzle.

I can get it down to a certain point, then the manual says you need the paint 
mark color on the spring for the final determination.  I was hoping to be able 
to get everything at once and not have to order springs, get them, then order 
spring pads.

-D



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Re: [MBZ] Odd Hum in Subaru

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As I noted before, the Subaru's are noted for failing wheel bearings. Another 
possibility is one or both rear tires being "saw tooth" from the rear toe 
adjustment being off. Sounds just like a bad wheel bearing.  Easy enough to 
check by eyeballing it, and running your gloved hand over the surface of the 
tires.   
Rick

 

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Re: [MBZ] HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!

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Happy 2019. Not a prime number, but it has to be better than 2018.

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Re: [MBZ] HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!

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Happy New Year to everyone, everywhere!

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Re: [MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

 has turned the corner and is cutting back on coal. I'd be shocked if they
are literally building one Coal Fired power plant a week. Makes no sense.
They're heavily into solar. Maybe you're confusing China with India.

On Dec 31, 2018 11:54 PM, "G Mann via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Answer to Andrew's well asked question:
>
> Over the past 25+ years, coal power plant regulation, via EPA and State Air
> Quality regulations has become increasingly draconian, To such an extent
> that a new coal fired generation facility could not be approved, and
> modification of existing coal fired generation reached the point of "no
> economic return".
>
> The lead time for approval for a new coal fired electric facility escalated
> so more than 25 years of applications followed by rejection for each
> element of the plant, all the while, tying up investment resources of the
> power company.
>
> Finally, in the past 8 years, coal was "outlawed completely" as a power
> source for new plants, by being "out regulated" The common wisdom, of
> those who follow such things, was that decision was done to force the
> acceptance of wind, solar and alternate sources, which were at the same
> time given special pass in tax incentives, government grants, and near lack
> of regulation, by comparison to coal or gas fired plants.
>
> In 1982 I was involved in the design , development and production of
> scrubber systems for coal plants to reduce emissions. This was mandated by
> regulation from EPA and each system cost multiple millions to install and
> further millions to maintain, while being continually monitored by EPA
> staff and government regulators. If the plants failed inspections, fines
> were mandated, on a per day basis for each day out of compliance... and
> they were not "parking ticket fines"... thousands of dollars per day.
>
> Meanwhile consumer price for electricity kept rising to cover all the costs
> of compliance. New plants were proposed, with newer tech designs.. but
> never approved to be built.  Alternate energy plants, by comparison, have
> been "fast tracked".
>
> Just my views, based on my experiences in the field building systems to
> work within the regs...
>
> As a comparative, look at China, which has opened a new coal plant each
> week for the past, I believe, 5 years...
> No EPA there;))
>
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 7:58 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Well I have a geology degree but that is equally irrelevant.
> >
> > Let the market dictate and set the politics aside.  Why would for-profit
> > utilitiesclose down their coal plants if they could make money by keeping
> > them open?  Why are all new power plants wind and solar where the
> resource
> > is plentiful, and natural gas otherwise.
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 3:31 PM Craig via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 10:31:54 -0800 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Seems like people on the list have been chiming in about windmills
> and
> > > > the need for ongoing coal plants etc. from time to time, so I though
> it
> > > > might interest the group to hear from someone with skin in the game,
> > > > e.g. a utility. I typically listen to stuff like this in the car on
> my
> > > > phone.
> > >
> > > To date, the electricity from alternate sources has been much more
> > > expensive than from conventional sources -- if you eliminate the
> > > subsidies. One of the reasons for increased costs is that utility
> > > companies have to have a traditional source on line and spinning to
> > > make up for the dropouts of the alternate sources, thus wasting the
> > > traditional source fuel source.
> > >
> > > The driving factor is getting something for "free" and a mistaken
> > > belief that anthropogenic CO2 is the only knob controlling the global
> > > climate -- it, at best, runs a distant second to the most powerful
> > > climate-controlling gas, water vapor.
> > >
> > > For most of those who push anthropogenic CO2 and curbing fossil fuels
> it
> > > is a religion -- that's the only way one can explain their fervor and
> > > refusal to consider different viewpoints (including very scientifically
> > > based ones).
> > >
> > > The rest of those pushing curbing fossil fuels are doing so for the cut
> > > of the revenue they will receive from building alternate sources and
> from
> > > carbon cap/trading taxes. Fortunately for Washington state, it's voters
> > > recently soundly rejected their carbon cap/trading ballot question,
> > > precisely because of that.
> > >
> > > Utilities in California have to work in and with the liberal California
> > > world view -- they know which side their bread is buttered on. Given a
> > > level playing field, they might sing a different tune.
> > >
> > >
> > > Craig
> > >
> > > P.S. In case you missed it, I have a Ph.D. in physics, something very
> > >  relevant to this discussion.
> > >
> > > _

Re: [MBZ] HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!

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Happy New,Year

Dwight Giles Jr.
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Re: [MBZ] Odd Hum in Subaru

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I'm becoming convinced that I'll be replacing a wheel bearing in the future but 
not sure which one, yet.  Based on my research, the wheel bearing assembly is a 
unit that is just bolted to the knuckle from the inside but it could be a tight 
fit.  The job doesn't look hard if the bearing unit isn't seized to the 
knuckle; that's a big unknown but this car hasn't seen much winter salt so may 
be OK .  The actual part is in the $50-200 range (RockAuto economy to dealer).  
I need for the noise to get significantly worse before I can locate the 
offending wheel.  Thanks for the help.  I haven't experienced problems with 
this type bearing before.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Peter Frederick via Mercedes
> 
> Having just finished replacing the third wheel bearing on the Golf, I'd guess 
> a
> wheel bearing, especially if they are similar to the MB rear bearings.
> 
> Since those are double race ball bearings, they don't make the same noise as
> tapered rollers when they go, they tend to hum, then growl, then howl and the
> noise will change withe speed (because the tire is vibrating).  Usually
> accompanied by minor cupping on one side of the tread.
> 
> The test is that the inner race is almost always the one that fails (due to a 
> failed
> seal letting water and dirt into the bearing) and the noise will change or 
> vanish
> when you un-load the bad race when turning.  Sound will also change with
> dips in the road as you change the loading on the bearing.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Answer to Andrew's well asked question:

Over the past 25+ years, coal power plant regulation, via EPA and State Air
Quality regulations has become increasingly draconian, To such an extent
that a new coal fired generation facility could not be approved, and
modification of existing coal fired generation reached the point of "no
economic return".

The lead time for approval for a new coal fired electric facility escalated
so more than 25 years of applications followed by rejection for each
element of the plant, all the while, tying up investment resources of the
power company.

Finally, in the past 8 years, coal was "outlawed completely" as a power
source for new plants, by being "out regulated" The common wisdom, of
those who follow such things, was that decision was done to force the
acceptance of wind, solar and alternate sources, which were at the same
time given special pass in tax incentives, government grants, and near lack
of regulation, by comparison to coal or gas fired plants.

In 1982 I was involved in the design , development and production of
scrubber systems for coal plants to reduce emissions. This was mandated by
regulation from EPA and each system cost multiple millions to install and
further millions to maintain, while being continually monitored by EPA
staff and government regulators. If the plants failed inspections, fines
were mandated, on a per day basis for each day out of compliance... and
they were not "parking ticket fines"... thousands of dollars per day.

Meanwhile consumer price for electricity kept rising to cover all the costs
of compliance. New plants were proposed, with newer tech designs.. but
never approved to be built.  Alternate energy plants, by comparison, have
been "fast tracked".

Just my views, based on my experiences in the field building systems to
work within the regs...

As a comparative, look at China, which has opened a new coal plant each
week for the past, I believe, 5 years...
No EPA there;))

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 7:58 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well I have a geology degree but that is equally irrelevant.
>
> Let the market dictate and set the politics aside.  Why would for-profit
> utilitiesclose down their coal plants if they could make money by keeping
> them open?  Why are all new power plants wind and solar where the resource
> is plentiful, and natural gas otherwise.
>
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 3:31 PM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 10:31:54 -0800 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Seems like people on the list have been chiming in about windmills and
> > > the need for ongoing coal plants etc. from time to time, so I though it
> > > might interest the group to hear from someone with skin in the game,
> > > e.g. a utility. I typically listen to stuff like this in the car on my
> > > phone.
> >
> > To date, the electricity from alternate sources has been much more
> > expensive than from conventional sources -- if you eliminate the
> > subsidies. One of the reasons for increased costs is that utility
> > companies have to have a traditional source on line and spinning to
> > make up for the dropouts of the alternate sources, thus wasting the
> > traditional source fuel source.
> >
> > The driving factor is getting something for "free" and a mistaken
> > belief that anthropogenic CO2 is the only knob controlling the global
> > climate -- it, at best, runs a distant second to the most powerful
> > climate-controlling gas, water vapor.
> >
> > For most of those who push anthropogenic CO2 and curbing fossil fuels it
> > is a religion -- that's the only way one can explain their fervor and
> > refusal to consider different viewpoints (including very scientifically
> > based ones).
> >
> > The rest of those pushing curbing fossil fuels are doing so for the cut
> > of the revenue they will receive from building alternate sources and from
> > carbon cap/trading taxes. Fortunately for Washington state, it's voters
> > recently soundly rejected their carbon cap/trading ballot question,
> > precisely because of that.
> >
> > Utilities in California have to work in and with the liberal California
> > world view -- they know which side their bread is buttered on. Given a
> > level playing field, they might sing a different tune.
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > P.S. In case you missed it, I have a Ph.D. in physics, something very
> >  relevant to this discussion.
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[MBZ] Cheap synthetic oil

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The specs on this look good from what I can tell so far, seems on par 
with the name brands.  Can be purchased online from Walmart for $49.97 
for a 5 gal bucket.


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Re: [MBZ] 220SE W111 coupe on BAT near Columbus, OH

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Bidding reached $14,444 but NS.  Seller will regret this.

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 1:30 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> Auction ending today.  Pretty color combination but it goes downhill from
> there.  Is it worth $10K?  If in concours condition these early W111s used
> to be worth about $12 k-15k, before the market took off.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime Missed His Chance

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Same seller as the 500E.

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 8:03 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If Jaime likes working on V12s, this is a nice color on any car.
> I don't know if he wants a V12 Jag with over 30k on the odometer, that's a
> lot of miles for those things...
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-jaguar-xjs-28/
>
> Mitch.
>
> > On December 31, 2018 at 7:15 PM Dimitri via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Except the color is terrible on that car!
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Re: [MBZ] 351K miles 500E on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Not unreasonable.  If someone cana congtribute free labor to correct the
flaws it might be a flip candidate.

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 6:10 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Went for 10,200
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Dec 31, 2018 4:52 PM, "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Seems to be some strongly-opinionated a*s in that thread
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 12/31/18 3:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> Read this thread for a full analysis of the car:
> >>
> >> https://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13223
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 31, 2018, at 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I would be scared away by the laundry list of items on the PPI report.
> >>> Is
> >>> it reasonable to expect the drive train to last this long?
> >>>
> >>> [image: image.png]
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 2:19 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I don't expect it to go for less than $20k.
> 
>  I've got one of these sitting in the barn, but it doesn't look like
>  this:
>  https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1975-suzuki-t500m-titan-3/
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Re: [MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Well I have a geology degree but that is equally irrelevant.

Let the market dictate and set the politics aside.  Why would for-profit
utilitiesclose down their coal plants if they could make money by keeping
them open?  Why are all new power plants wind and solar where the resource
is plentiful, and natural gas otherwise.

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 3:31 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 10:31:54 -0800 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Seems like people on the list have been chiming in about windmills and
> > the need for ongoing coal plants etc. from time to time, so I though it
> > might interest the group to hear from someone with skin in the game,
> > e.g. a utility. I typically listen to stuff like this in the car on my
> > phone.
>
> To date, the electricity from alternate sources has been much more
> expensive than from conventional sources -- if you eliminate the
> subsidies. One of the reasons for increased costs is that utility
> companies have to have a traditional source on line and spinning to
> make up for the dropouts of the alternate sources, thus wasting the
> traditional source fuel source.
>
> The driving factor is getting something for "free" and a mistaken
> belief that anthropogenic CO2 is the only knob controlling the global
> climate -- it, at best, runs a distant second to the most powerful
> climate-controlling gas, water vapor.
>
> For most of those who push anthropogenic CO2 and curbing fossil fuels it
> is a religion -- that's the only way one can explain their fervor and
> refusal to consider different viewpoints (including very scientifically
> based ones).
>
> The rest of those pushing curbing fossil fuels are doing so for the cut
> of the revenue they will receive from building alternate sources and from
> carbon cap/trading taxes. Fortunately for Washington state, it's voters
> recently soundly rejected their carbon cap/trading ballot question,
> precisely because of that.
>
> Utilities in California have to work in and with the liberal California
> world view -- they know which side their bread is buttered on. Given a
> level playing field, they might sing a different tune.
>
>
> Craig
>
> P.S. In case you missed it, I have a Ph.D. in physics, something very
>  relevant to this discussion.
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime Missed His Chance

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

If Jaime likes working on V12s, this is a nice color on any car. 
I don't know if he wants a V12 Jag with over 30k on the odometer, that's a lot 
of miles for those things...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-jaguar-xjs-28/

Mitch.

> On December 31, 2018 at 7:15 PM Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Except the color is terrible on that car!

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Re: [MBZ] Extra for Andrew

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> if I could just get the plastic grille I have to flatten out some.  Tried a 
> heat gun yesterday but that didn’t seem to faze it.

Try a red-hot paperclip end on the back side.  If it melts it a bit, you just 
need more heat.  If
it burns, it was 'set', like bakelite, and will never melt/bend.  But, given 
that it's deformed, my
guess is that it is not set, and can be shifted.

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Re: [MBZ] Extra for Andrew

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Ahh, Rockler.  Used to have one of their stores close by when I was living in 
Indianapolis and still had a full wood shop.  Like a kid in a candy store….

I usually go full bore on this old stuff using aircraft grade stripper.  The 
older finishes can be really tough to cut, so this way it’s that much less work 
to do.  Glad I don’t have a wood speaker grille. While they’re cool looking, 
they’re pretty delicate and would be a real b*tch to strip and refinish, I 
would think.

Now if I could just get the plastic grille I have to flatten out some.  Tried a 
heat gun yesterday but that didn’t seem to phase it.

-D


> On Dec 31, 2018, at 7:23 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I used a soy based stripper which I bought at Rockler on my pagoda speaker 
> grille. It worked very well and didn’t require that many applications if I 
> recall correctly.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2018, at 6:56 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Gloves:
>> Blue HF nitrile gloves are only 7 nul thick.. the Black HF nitrile gloves
>> are 9 mil thick... so give more protection However, my experience with
>> bot h led me to Home Depot paint department where they have a package of 2
>> long cuff nitrile gloves that are about 20 mil thick and MUCH more durable
>> for stripping.
>> 
>> I keep a 5 gallon bucket of clean water handy, and a supply of liquid hand
>> soap,  Immediately after using stripper, I wash my hands, with the gloves
>> on, with soap and water [5 gallon bucket water]. then dry the gloves with
>> paper towels, so they are "ready to go again".
>> Because they are thicker, and because I quickly wash off any stripper, and
>> because they have long cuffs, which keeps stripper off your arms and
>> wrists, I'm still using the first pair of the pack, after stripping two
>> sets of rims [5 rim sets] and several smaller strip jobs...
>> 
>> IMHO... well worth a few extra bucks for the better gloves. These are light
>> enough you still have good tactile feel.. not the heavy "plumbers gloves"..
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 3:52 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Since Andrew was all excited about wood refinishing, I thought I would
>>> post some preliminary stuff for him and everyone else to see.
>>> 
>>> Today I got my aircraft stripper from the Island of Big Wimmen, so this
>>> afternoon I started in on the two pieces that are at the front of the
>>> dashboard, below the windshield.  These are probably the easiest to work
>>> with outside of the little window surround pieces, but I didn’t want to
>>> deal with 12 pieces of interior wood this afternoon.
>>> 
>>> I hit them both with three separate applications of stripper, scraping
>>> between each application with a plastic scraper.  Beware!  This stuff will
>>> give you chemical burns, and it happens the second it touches you.  The HF
>>> blue gloves will break down in it, too, so expect to wear multiple pairs,
>>> or get some heavier ones (I recommend.)
>>> 
>>> Note the pieces in this picture, and pay close attention to their color.
>>> That’s aged varnish that can turn almost black as it ages and is exposed to
>>> the elements.  In the case of this car, there were leaks in the windshield
>>> at some time I’m assuming, as the tips of the pieces that are located at
>>> the base of the “A” pillars are black.  This indicates the wood was wet for
>>> more than a short time and has rotted slightly.  Not a lot you can do about
>>> this, but since these parts are masked by the others, it’s not a big deal.
>>> 
>>> http://penoff.com/photodump.html#0
>>> 
>>> The top windshield pieces are pretty nasty from a finish standpoint, but
>>> intact. That’s more important, as we can use stain to mask just about any
>>> finish imperfections.  We want to be sure the wood is physically intact.
>>> 
>>> So here are the lower dash pieces soaking in aircraft stripper:
>>> 
>>> http://penoff.com/photodump.html#1
>>> 
>>> Yup, that’s a green ScotchBrite pad.  No, I’m not using it to work the
>>> stripper, however.
>>> 
>>> After about three applications of stripper, the parts get rinsed.  Yes, I
>>> turn the hose on them.  Will it hurt them?  The short answer is no.  While
>>> in most cases when you put water on a raw wood surface, the grain raises,
>>> giving the surface a lot of little wood “hairs”. Since this is veneer,
>>> there’s very little grain to raise, and while in theory is does raise the
>>> grain, it’s so imperceptible it’s not important.
>>> 
>>> While I’m rinsing the parts, I’m using the ScotchBrite pad to remove old
>>> finish.  While you can’t see it, there are still vestiges of the original
>>> finish present, and gently wiping with this lifts and removes a lot of it.
>>> Plus you can rinse the ScotchBrite pad and reuse it, and it’s not
>>> aggressive enough to go through the veneer unless you really wail on it -
>>> which you shouldn’t!  Watch out for sharp edges, as these are the places
>>

Re: [MBZ] Extra for Andrew

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

I used a soy based stripper which I bought at Rockler on my pagoda speaker 
grille. It worked very well and didn’t require that many applications if I 
recall correctly.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 31, 2018, at 6:56 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Gloves:
> Blue HF nitrile gloves are only 7 nul thick.. the Black HF nitrile gloves
> are 9 mil thick... so give more protection However, my experience with
> bot h led me to Home Depot paint department where they have a package of 2
> long cuff nitrile gloves that are about 20 mil thick and MUCH more durable
> for stripping.
> 
> I keep a 5 gallon bucket of clean water handy, and a supply of liquid hand
> soap,  Immediately after using stripper, I wash my hands, with the gloves
> on, with soap and water [5 gallon bucket water]. then dry the gloves with
> paper towels, so they are "ready to go again".
> Because they are thicker, and because I quickly wash off any stripper, and
> because they have long cuffs, which keeps stripper off your arms and
> wrists, I'm still using the first pair of the pack, after stripping two
> sets of rims [5 rim sets] and several smaller strip jobs...
> 
> IMHO... well worth a few extra bucks for the better gloves. These are light
> enough you still have good tactile feel.. not the heavy "plumbers gloves"..
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 3:52 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Since Andrew was all excited about wood refinishing, I thought I would
>> post some preliminary stuff for him and everyone else to see.
>> 
>> Today I got my aircraft stripper from the Island of Big Wimmen, so this
>> afternoon I started in on the two pieces that are at the front of the
>> dashboard, below the windshield.  These are probably the easiest to work
>> with outside of the little window surround pieces, but I didn’t want to
>> deal with 12 pieces of interior wood this afternoon.
>> 
>> I hit them both with three separate applications of stripper, scraping
>> between each application with a plastic scraper.  Beware!  This stuff will
>> give you chemical burns, and it happens the second it touches you.  The HF
>> blue gloves will break down in it, too, so expect to wear multiple pairs,
>> or get some heavier ones (I recommend.)
>> 
>> Note the pieces in this picture, and pay close attention to their color.
>> That’s aged varnish that can turn almost black as it ages and is exposed to
>> the elements.  In the case of this car, there were leaks in the windshield
>> at some time I’m assuming, as the tips of the pieces that are located at
>> the base of the “A” pillars are black.  This indicates the wood was wet for
>> more than a short time and has rotted slightly.  Not a lot you can do about
>> this, but since these parts are masked by the others, it’s not a big deal.
>> 
>> http://penoff.com/photodump.html#0
>> 
>> The top windshield pieces are pretty nasty from a finish standpoint, but
>> intact. That’s more important, as we can use stain to mask just about any
>> finish imperfections.  We want to be sure the wood is physically intact.
>> 
>> So here are the lower dash pieces soaking in aircraft stripper:
>> 
>> http://penoff.com/photodump.html#1
>> 
>> Yup, that’s a green ScotchBrite pad.  No, I’m not using it to work the
>> stripper, however.
>> 
>> After about three applications of stripper, the parts get rinsed.  Yes, I
>> turn the hose on them.  Will it hurt them?  The short answer is no.  While
>> in most cases when you put water on a raw wood surface, the grain raises,
>> giving the surface a lot of little wood “hairs”. Since this is veneer,
>> there’s very little grain to raise, and while in theory is does raise the
>> grain, it’s so imperceptible it’s not important.
>> 
>> While I’m rinsing the parts, I’m using the ScotchBrite pad to remove old
>> finish.  While you can’t see it, there are still vestiges of the original
>> finish present, and gently wiping with this lifts and removes a lot of it.
>> Plus you can rinse the ScotchBrite pad and reuse it, and it’s not
>> aggressive enough to go through the veneer unless you really wail on it -
>> which you shouldn’t!  Watch out for sharp edges, as these are the places
>> where you risk damaging the veneer.
>> 
>> So after three coats of stripper, rinsing and rubbing with the ScotchBrite
>> pad, this is what you end up with:
>> 
>> http://penoff.com/photodump.html#2
>> 
>> http://penoff.com/photodump.html#3
>> 
>> Yes, they look mottled, but much lighter.  Probably 90% of the old finish
>> has been removed.  If you could run your hands over them you would feel old
>> finish where the dark areas are.  The pieces are now inside the house
>> drying.  Tomorrow I’ll hit them with another coat or two of stripper, and
>> get the last of the finish off with the ScotchBrite pad, after which
>> they’ll be dried and then readied for staining.
>> 
>> More as I do it, I’ll put it in the blog, too.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: [MBZ] Jaime Missed His Chance

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Sort of.  While a classy car like this should be a dark color in my opinion, I 
will say that a white car appears to be cleaner for a lot longer then a dark or 
black one does. At least that’s been my experience.

-D


> On Dec 31, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Dimitri  wrote:
> 
> Except the color is terrible on that car!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Should have held off for a few weeks….
>> 
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1997-mercedes-benz-s600/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_model_notification
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime Missed His Chance

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Except the color is terrible on that car!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 31, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Should have held off for a few weeks….
> 
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1997-mercedes-benz-s600/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_model_notification
> 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] Extra for Andrew

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Gloves:
Blue HF nitrile gloves are only 7 nul thick.. the Black HF nitrile gloves
are 9 mil thick... so give more protection However, my experience with
bot h led me to Home Depot paint department where they have a package of 2
long cuff nitrile gloves that are about 20 mil thick and MUCH more durable
for stripping.

I keep a 5 gallon bucket of clean water handy, and a supply of liquid hand
soap,  Immediately after using stripper, I wash my hands, with the gloves
on, with soap and water [5 gallon bucket water]. then dry the gloves with
paper towels, so they are "ready to go again".
Because they are thicker, and because I quickly wash off any stripper, and
because they have long cuffs, which keeps stripper off your arms and
wrists, I'm still using the first pair of the pack, after stripping two
sets of rims [5 rim sets] and several smaller strip jobs...

IMHO... well worth a few extra bucks for the better gloves. These are light
enough you still have good tactile feel.. not the heavy "plumbers gloves"..

Hope this helps.

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 3:52 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Since Andrew was all excited about wood refinishing, I thought I would
> post some preliminary stuff for him and everyone else to see.
>
> Today I got my aircraft stripper from the Island of Big Wimmen, so this
> afternoon I started in on the two pieces that are at the front of the
> dashboard, below the windshield.  These are probably the easiest to work
> with outside of the little window surround pieces, but I didn’t want to
> deal with 12 pieces of interior wood this afternoon.
>
> I hit them both with three separate applications of stripper, scraping
> between each application with a plastic scraper.  Beware!  This stuff will
> give you chemical burns, and it happens the second it touches you.  The HF
> blue gloves will break down in it, too, so expect to wear multiple pairs,
> or get some heavier ones (I recommend.)
>
> Note the pieces in this picture, and pay close attention to their color.
> That’s aged varnish that can turn almost black as it ages and is exposed to
> the elements.  In the case of this car, there were leaks in the windshield
> at some time I’m assuming, as the tips of the pieces that are located at
> the base of the “A” pillars are black.  This indicates the wood was wet for
> more than a short time and has rotted slightly.  Not a lot you can do about
> this, but since these parts are masked by the others, it’s not a big deal.
>
> http://penoff.com/photodump.html#0
>
> The top windshield pieces are pretty nasty from a finish standpoint, but
> intact. That’s more important, as we can use stain to mask just about any
> finish imperfections.  We want to be sure the wood is physically intact.
>
> So here are the lower dash pieces soaking in aircraft stripper:
>
> http://penoff.com/photodump.html#1
>
> Yup, that’s a green ScotchBrite pad.  No, I’m not using it to work the
> stripper, however.
>
> After about three applications of stripper, the parts get rinsed.  Yes, I
> turn the hose on them.  Will it hurt them?  The short answer is no.  While
> in most cases when you put water on a raw wood surface, the grain raises,
> giving the surface a lot of little wood “hairs”. Since this is veneer,
> there’s very little grain to raise, and while in theory is does raise the
> grain, it’s so imperceptible it’s not important.
>
> While I’m rinsing the parts, I’m using the ScotchBrite pad to remove old
> finish.  While you can’t see it, there are still vestiges of the original
> finish present, and gently wiping with this lifts and removes a lot of it.
> Plus you can rinse the ScotchBrite pad and reuse it, and it’s not
> aggressive enough to go through the veneer unless you really wail on it -
> which you shouldn’t!  Watch out for sharp edges, as these are the places
> where you risk damaging the veneer.
>
> So after three coats of stripper, rinsing and rubbing with the ScotchBrite
> pad, this is what you end up with:
>
> http://penoff.com/photodump.html#2
>
> http://penoff.com/photodump.html#3
>
> Yes, they look mottled, but much lighter.  Probably 90% of the old finish
> has been removed.  If you could run your hands over them you would feel old
> finish where the dark areas are.  The pieces are now inside the house
> drying.  Tomorrow I’ll hit them with another coat or two of stripper, and
> get the last of the finish off with the ScotchBrite pad, after which
> they’ll be dried and then readied for staining.
>
> More as I do it, I’ll put it in the blog, too.
>
> -D
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[MBZ] Jaime Missed His Chance

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Should have held off for a few weeks….

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1997-mercedes-benz-s600/?utm_source=transactionalemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=bat_model_notification

-D



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Re: [MBZ] 351K miles 500E on BAT

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Went for 10,200

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Dec 31, 2018 4:52 PM, "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Seems to be some strongly-opinionated a*s in that thread
>
> --FT
>
> On 12/31/18 3:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Read this thread for a full analysis of the car:
>>
>> https://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13223
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 31, 2018, at 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would be scared away by the laundry list of items on the PPI report.
>>> Is
>>> it reasonable to expect the drive train to last this long?
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 2:19 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't expect it to go for less than $20k.

 I've got one of these sitting in the barn, but it doesn't look like
 this:
 https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1975-suzuki-t500m-titan-3/

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[MBZ] Extra for Andrew

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Since Andrew was all excited about wood refinishing, I thought I would post 
some preliminary stuff for him and everyone else to see.

Today I got my aircraft stripper from the Island of Big Wimmen, so this 
afternoon I started in on the two pieces that are at the front of the 
dashboard, below the windshield.  These are probably the easiest to work with 
outside of the little window surround pieces, but I didn’t want to deal with 12 
pieces of interior wood this afternoon.

I hit them both with three separate applications of stripper, scraping between 
each application with a plastic scraper.  Beware!  This stuff will give you 
chemical burns, and it happens the second it touches you.  The HF blue gloves 
will break down in it, too, so expect to wear multiple pairs, or get some 
heavier ones (I recommend.)

Note the pieces in this picture, and pay close attention to their color.  
That’s aged varnish that can turn almost black as it ages and is exposed to the 
elements.  In the case of this car, there were leaks in the windshield at some 
time I’m assuming, as the tips of the pieces that are located at the base of 
the “A” pillars are black.  This indicates the wood was wet for more than a 
short time and has rotted slightly.  Not a lot you can do about this, but since 
these parts are masked by the others, it’s not a big deal.

http://penoff.com/photodump.html#0

The top windshield pieces are pretty nasty from a finish standpoint, but 
intact. That’s more important, as we can use stain to mask just about any 
finish imperfections.  We want to be sure the wood is physically intact.

So here are the lower dash pieces soaking in aircraft stripper:

http://penoff.com/photodump.html#1

Yup, that’s a green ScotchBrite pad.  No, I’m not using it to work the 
stripper, however.

After about three applications of stripper, the parts get rinsed.  Yes, I turn 
the hose on them.  Will it hurt them?  The short answer is no.  While in most 
cases when you put water on a raw wood surface, the grain raises, giving the 
surface a lot of little wood “hairs”. Since this is veneer, there’s very little 
grain to raise, and while in theory is does raise the grain, it’s so 
imperceptible it’s not important.

While I’m rinsing the parts, I’m using the ScotchBrite pad to remove old 
finish.  While you can’t see it, there are still vestiges of the original 
finish present, and gently wiping with this lifts and removes a lot of it.  
Plus you can rinse the ScotchBrite pad and reuse it, and it’s not aggressive 
enough to go through the veneer unless you really wail on it - which you 
shouldn’t!  Watch out for sharp edges, as these are the places where you risk 
damaging the veneer.

So after three coats of stripper, rinsing and rubbing with the ScotchBrite pad, 
this is what you end up with:

http://penoff.com/photodump.html#2

http://penoff.com/photodump.html#3

Yes, they look mottled, but much lighter.  Probably 90% of the old finish has 
been removed.  If you could run your hands over them you would feel old finish 
where the dark areas are.  The pieces are now inside the house drying.  
Tomorrow I’ll hit them with another coat or two of stripper, and get the last 
of the finish off with the ScotchBrite pad, after which they’ll be dried and 
then readied for staining.

More as I do it, I’ll put it in the blog, too.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] 351K miles 500E on BAT

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Seems to be some strongly-opinionated a*s in that thread

--FT

On 12/31/18 3:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Read this thread for a full analysis of the car:

https://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13223

-D




On Dec 31, 2018, at 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I would be scared away by the laundry list of items on the PPI report.  Is
it reasonable to expect the drive train to last this long?

[image: image.png]

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 2:19 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I don't expect it to go for less than $20k.

I've got one of these sitting in the barn, but it doesn't look like this:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1975-suzuki-t500m-titan-3/

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Re: [MBZ] It's finally time to let my 1991 300D 2.5T Go to someone New

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Larry, I found a replacement for you. 
Should be done depreciating by now. 
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-porsche-911-28/

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Re: [MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 10:31:54 -0800 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Seems like people on the list have been chiming in about windmills and
> the need for ongoing coal plants etc. from time to time, so I though it
> might interest the group to hear from someone with skin in the game,
> e.g. a utility. I typically listen to stuff like this in the car on my
> phone.

To date, the electricity from alternate sources has been much more
expensive than from conventional sources -- if you eliminate the
subsidies. One of the reasons for increased costs is that utility
companies have to have a traditional source on line and spinning to
make up for the dropouts of the alternate sources, thus wasting the
traditional source fuel source.

The driving factor is getting something for "free" and a mistaken
belief that anthropogenic CO2 is the only knob controlling the global
climate -- it, at best, runs a distant second to the most powerful
climate-controlling gas, water vapor.

For most of those who push anthropogenic CO2 and curbing fossil fuels it
is a religion -- that's the only way one can explain their fervor and
refusal to consider different viewpoints (including very scientifically
based ones).

The rest of those pushing curbing fossil fuels are doing so for the cut
of the revenue they will receive from building alternate sources and from
carbon cap/trading taxes. Fortunately for Washington state, it's voters
recently soundly rejected their carbon cap/trading ballot question,
precisely because of that.

Utilities in California have to work in and with the liberal California
world view -- they know which side their bread is buttered on. Given a
level playing field, they might sing a different tune.


Craig

P.S. In case you missed it, I have a Ph.D. in physics, something very
 relevant to this discussion.

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Re: [MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We have a 300 acre solar “farm” going in to an adjacent county that is largely 
agricultural and rural.  A number of homeowners around the site had a blowout 
because they said it would “change the character” of the area.

I’m not sure how going from grassy meadows with cattle grazing to a large solar 
farm with grass growing under it would change the “character" of anything.  
Sure, it’s going to look different, but functionally, the land will remain 
unchanged. For that matter, I would welcome it strictly from the standpoint 
that it would keep some people away….

-D



> On Dec 31, 2018, at 2:33 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We have a 450 acre solar farm going in across the road from my house next 
> year.  All the neighbors are in an uproar, but I see it as certain power any 
> time the sun is shining, the substation to handle it is about 300 yards from 
> the house
> 
> Between wind, solar, and natural gas fired turbine generators, who in their 
> right mind would mess around with dirty, expensive, un-reliable and hard to 
> maintain coal fired plants?  No scrubbers, no ash, no mercury, no arsenic, no 
> sulfuric acid mist, what's to miss?
> 
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] 351K miles 500E on BAT

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Read this thread for a full analysis of the car:

https://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13223

-D



> On Dec 31, 2018, at 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would be scared away by the laundry list of items on the PPI report.  Is
> it reasonable to expect the drive train to last this long?
> 
> [image: image.png]
> 
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 2:19 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I don't expect it to go for less than $20k.
>> 
>> I've got one of these sitting in the barn, but it doesn't look like this:
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1975-suzuki-t500m-titan-3/
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Re: [MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

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> On December 31, 2018 at 2:33 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> We have a 450 acre solar farm going in across the road from my house next 
> year.  All the neighbors are in an uproar,

We demand clean power! ...
We demand you take your clean power somewhere else!

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Re: [MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

We have a 450 acre solar farm going in across the road from my house next year. 
 All the neighbors are in an uproar, but I see it as certain power any time the 
sun is shining, the substation to handle it is about 300 yards from the 
house

Between wind, solar, and natural gas fired turbine generators, who in their 
right mind would mess around with dirty, expensive, un-reliable and hard to 
maintain coal fired plants?  No scrubbers, no ash, no mercury, no arsenic, no 
sulfuric acid mist, what's to miss?

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The utilities are very conservative yet they are the ones cancelling and
closing coal fired generation b/c gas and wind/solar are cheaper now.

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 1:32 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No synopsis that I know of. Sorry.
>
> I am interested because the wind farm guys developed a project all around
> us, but even then it was clear that solar would outperform it. Basically
> this guy says the same thing. Essentially, the stuff is getting cheap
> enough that it is here to stay.
>
> Seems like people on the list have been chiming in about windmills and the
> need for ongoing coal plants etc. from time to time, so I though it might
> interest the group to hear from someone with skin in the game, e.g. a
> utility. I typically listen to stuff like this in the car on my phone.
>
> Happy New Year,
> Karl
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 6:14 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Dan's favorite utility, Florida Power & Light?
> >
> > That's a long video, is there a synopsis?
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 11:22 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Industry insider view
> > >
> > > https://youtu.be/2SXxJWUv-x4
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 351K miles 500E on BAT

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I don't expect it to go for less than $20k. 

I've got one of these sitting in the barn, but it doesn't look like this:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1975-suzuki-t500m-titan-3/

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Re: [MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

No synopsis that I know of. Sorry.

I am interested because the wind farm guys developed a project all around
us, but even then it was clear that solar would outperform it. Basically
this guy says the same thing. Essentially, the stuff is getting cheap
enough that it is here to stay.

Seems like people on the list have been chiming in about windmills and the
need for ongoing coal plants etc. from time to time, so I though it might
interest the group to hear from someone with skin in the game, e.g. a
utility. I typically listen to stuff like this in the car on my phone.

Happy New Year,
Karl







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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Dan's favorite utility, Florida Power & Light?
>
> That's a long video, is there a synopsis?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 11:22 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Industry insider view
> >
> > https://youtu.be/2SXxJWUv-x4
> >
> >
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[MBZ] 220SE W111 coupe on BAT near Columbus, OH

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Auction ending today.  Pretty color combination but it goes downhill from
there.  Is it worth $10K?  If in concours condition these early W111s used
to be worth about $12 k-15k, before the market took off.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-mercedes-benz-220se-coupe-3/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018-12-31
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[MBZ] 351K miles 500E on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Two-owner survivor with an original drive train but check out the September
PPI report.  Yikes.  Nearing $10k regardless of the flaws...

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-mercedes-benz-500e-12/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018-12-31
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[MBZ] "Everything wrong with my $11k Bentley"

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Youtube video producer Tavarish bought a 2004 Bentley for only $11,000.  It
spent its life in Russia so what could possibly be wrong with it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjA_DnhqCfI

Mercedes content:  Avoid financial heartbreak by limiting your investment
to cars with a tristar on the hood.
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] Finnie Fun!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when I read that.  Some questions are best 
left unasked.

-D


> On Dec 31, 2018, at 11:15 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> One has too many questions...
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2018, at 8:23 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I put air bags in the rear springs of my 200D in the yard of a nuns house in 
>> KY in December, on grass
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] Finnie Fun!

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

One has too many questions...

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Dec 31, 2018, at 8:23 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I put air bags in the rear springs of my 200D in the yard of a nuns house in 
> KY in December, on grass

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[MBZ] MB 229.5 - Multigrade engine oils (Specification 229.5) - Mercedes-Benz Specifications for Operating Fluids

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

What is the best oil to use?

https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.5_en.html#close

Saw this on some FB page

--FT
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Re: [MBZ] Jobs that require getting under a jacked up car! [was: Re: Finnie Fun]

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 03:46:11 +
Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:

> Hell, Kaleb has one that still needs put together, if I remember correctly.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jobs that require getting under a jacked up car! [was: Re: 
> Finnie Fun]
> 
> 
> Aint nunna us okie folkes wanna be civilized, 'Cept'n' Andy.
> 
> But we'd all like a 2 post lift!
 
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] Finnie Fun!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Oh, I’m replacing them for sure.  New springs from Mercedes are relatively 
inexpensive, about $100/each depending on the part number.

I’m just trying to work out the logistics so I don’t have a disassembled car in 
the garage for a week or two…

-D

> On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:20 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm with Jaime, the springs on the car are likely tired and may even be
> broken.  How expensive are replacements?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I recommend ordering the springs, see what comes, then get the pads after
>> that.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] Finnie Fun!

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I'm with Jaime, the springs on the car are likely tired and may even be
broken.  How expensive are replacements?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> I recommend ordering the springs, see what comes, then get the pads after
> that.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Dan's favorite utility, Florida Power & Light?

That's a long video, is there a synopsis?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 11:22 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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> Industry insider view
>
> https://youtu.be/2SXxJWUv-x4
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] Finnie Fun!

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

You can still used the klann spring compressor on the front end... put the
lower plate under the control arm and the upper plate as high up as
possible on the spring.  Makes things much less frightening!

If you don't want to mark up the lower control arm (which is an issue after
powder coating), just put some cardboard between the plate and the arm.

Jaime


On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 9:05 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> The surface of the springs are pretty rusted or corroded from the looks of
> things.  I haven’t tried cleaning them yet but I may to see if there are
> any paint marks visible.
>
> The manual doesn’t mention a spring compressor, although I do have one.
> It says to use a floor jack and remove the inside bolts on the LCA to drop
> it down.  That’s most likely what I would do.  The LCA has to come off
> anyway.
>
> A guy in the Vintage forum on BW said he had a W111 from Ecuador that
> shipped with “rough road springs” as MB calls them and he really liked it
> better than a standard sprung W110/W111.  He later had a W108 that he
> changed the springs out to the RR springs and said it was a much better
> driver.  I might consider it once I get some more information.
>
> I’ve already replaced one trailing arm bushing, and that was relatively
> easy as long as I had someone around to work the floor jack while I got the
> arm into position. From that I can see that replacing rear springs would be
> a piece of cake.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Dec 31, 2018, at 8:26 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > BTW, the front end goes much easier with a spring compressor, but can be
> done without.  without, I'd unbolt the 2 bolts on the inside of the LCA
> that hold the bar to the subframe, then lower the LCA with a floor jack.
> >
> > Dan--- via Mercedes wrote on 12/31/18 5:00 AM:
> >> I DO have it. I’ve identified the springs, but trying to figure out
> which spring pad to purchase is a real puzzle.
> >>
> >> I can get it down to a certain point, then the manual says you need the
> paint mark color on the spring for the final determination.  I was hoping
> to be able to get everything at once and not have to order springs, get
> them, then order spring pads.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] Finnie Fun!

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Its not always very clear... the original springs have multiple colors on
them that don't always correspond to what the manual/TDM says.  Last time I
ordered replacement springs for a W108 (rear), they came with two red
marks, which made selecting the pads easy at that point.

I recommend ordering the springs, see what comes, then get the pads after
that.

Jaime


On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 6:01 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I DO have it. I’ve identified the springs, but trying to figure out which
> spring pad to purchase is a real puzzle.
>
> I can get it down to a certain point, then the manual says you need the
> paint mark color on the spring for the final determination.  I was hoping
> to be able to get everything at once and not have to order springs, get
> them, then order spring pads.
>
> -D
>
> > On Dec 30, 2018, at 10:08 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > It is in the chassis manual.  DO you have it.  There are lots of choices
> and possible combinations.
> >
> >
> > Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 12/30/18 7:47 PM:
> >> Little by little, I keep chipping away at this.  Now if I could just
> figure out what front springs and spring pads to use…
> >
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] Finnie Fun!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The surface of the springs are pretty rusted or corroded from the looks of 
things.  I haven’t tried cleaning them yet but I may to see if there are any 
paint marks visible.

The manual doesn’t mention a spring compressor, although I do have one.  It 
says to use a floor jack and remove the inside bolts on the LCA to drop it 
down.  That’s most likely what I would do.  The LCA has to come off anyway.

A guy in the Vintage forum on BW said he had a W111 from Ecuador that shipped 
with “rough road springs” as MB calls them and he really liked it better than a 
standard sprung W110/W111.  He later had a W108 that he changed the springs out 
to the RR springs and said it was a much better driver.  I might consider it 
once I get some more information.

I’ve already replaced one trailing arm bushing, and that was relatively easy as 
long as I had someone around to work the floor jack while I got the arm into 
position. From that I can see that replacing rear springs would be a piece of 
cake.

Thanks!

-D


> On Dec 31, 2018, at 8:26 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> BTW, the front end goes much easier with a spring compressor, but can be done 
> without.  without, I'd unbolt the 2 bolts on the inside of the LCA that hold 
> the bar to the subframe, then lower the LCA with a floor jack.
> 
> Dan--- via Mercedes wrote on 12/31/18 5:00 AM:
>> I DO have it. I’ve identified the springs, but trying to figure out which 
>> spring pad to purchase is a real puzzle.
>> 
>> I can get it down to a certain point, then the manual says you need the 
>> paint mark color on the spring for the final determination.  I was hoping to 
>> be able to get everything at once and not have to order springs, get them, 
>> then order spring pads.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] Finnie Fun!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

BTW, the front end goes much easier with a spring compressor, but can be 
done without.  without, I'd unbolt the 2 bolts on the inside of the LCA 
that hold the bar to the subframe, then lower the LCA with a floor jack.


Dan--- via Mercedes wrote on 12/31/18 5:00 AM:

I DO have it. I’ve identified the springs, but trying to figure out which 
spring pad to purchase is a real puzzle.

I can get it down to a certain point, then the manual says you need the paint 
mark color on the spring for the final determination.  I was hoping to be able 
to get everything at once and not have to order springs, get them, then order 
spring pads.

-D




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Re: [MBZ] Jobs that require getting under a jacked up car! [was: Re: Finnie Fun]

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

They have special concrete anchors for that, but I always figured if I were 
going to put a lift in a new garage I'd use giant U bolts cast into the 
concrete, and the area around the posts would be 3x as deep as the rest of the 
pour. Those U bolts would have to be very accurately positioned though. 

Mitch. 

> On December 30, 2018 at 10:58 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> That is correct. I have it in place, it’s put together I just need to bolt it 
> down and hook it up

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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] Finnie Fun!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yes, that is  how the book does it.  are you saying there are no paint 
marks left or are you saying you have not looked at them?  The paint 
marks have been very durable but it is now 53 years since they were put on.


it all depends on the ride height you want.  When I did the springs on 
111s, I went with the taxi version, but that IS higher than stock.  from 
what little I remember, I think I used 12-15mm thick.  Stock is in the 
8-12mm range top and bottom.  One thing you could do is order 3 pairs 
for one end of the car, say 8, 10 and 12 for the front.  Use the 2 pairs 
you determine most likely to be exact replacement, and finish that end.  
Repeat for the other end.


Otherwise take one corner apart, and look over the parts.  The springs 
will be sprung, but you should be able to find evidence of the paint 
marks.  On the rubber seats, the markings are hidden until you take them 
out.  Without spring pressure, the pretty much fall out.  So if you do 
one front and one rear, you should have the info you need.  Leave it on 
jack stands until the parts come in or put it back together.  it does 
not take that long to drop out a spring, look at it, then put it back 
together, but I'd just leave it apart until the parts come in.   The 
rear is particularly easy to drop out a spring as long as you have a 
floor jack.


I put air bags in the rear springs of my 200D in the yard of a nuns 
house in KY in December, on grass without a floor jack.  It is that easy 
to drop out the rear springs and put them back.


Dan--- via Mercedes wrote on 12/31/18 5:00 AM:

I DO have it. I’ve identified the springs, but trying to figure out which 
spring pad to purchase is a real puzzle.

I can get it down to a certain point, then the manual says you need the paint 
mark color on the spring for the final determination.  I was hoping to be able 
to get everything at once and not have to order springs, get them, then order 
spring pads.

-D





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Re: [MBZ] Jobs that require getting under a jacked up car! [was: Re: Finnie Fun]

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

He can’t find it.

-D

> On Dec 30, 2018, at 10:46 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hell, Kaleb has one that still needs put together, if I remember correctly.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jobs that require getting under a jacked up car! [was: Re: 
> Finnie Fun]
> 
> 
> Aint nunna us okie folkes wanna be civilized, 'Cept'n' Andy.
> 
> But we'd all like a 2 post lift!
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] Finnie Fun!

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I DO have it. I’ve identified the springs, but trying to figure out which 
spring pad to purchase is a real puzzle.

I can get it down to a certain point, then the manual says you need the paint 
mark color on the spring for the final determination.  I was hoping to be able 
to get everything at once and not have to order springs, get them, then order 
spring pads.

-D

> On Dec 30, 2018, at 10:08 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It is in the chassis manual.  DO you have it.  There are lots of choices and 
> possible combinations.
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 12/30/18 7:47 PM:
>> Little by little, I keep chipping away at this.  Now if I could just figure 
>> out what front springs and spring pads to use…
> 
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